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Global warming is a hoax created by our so called scientists to stop ppl from getting rich and destroying our "precous environment" but really common, when my dad was little they were afraid of global cooling and the next ice age, but then you will say what about the day after tommorw movie, i saw it it was good once you took out all the greenie propoganda which left them saying,
if, and, so, look, etc.......
it is crap. i say buldoze the forsts pump out all the oil and live the high life.
and another thing
if the ice caps melt "if" the water will not rise 100 ft and kill us all
most of it is in the water so when it melts the level will not rise try it with an ice cuba and a glass of water.
but some of you cant do that cause it would hurt the water`s feelings :eek:
please let me hear your side of the story
thanks

Let's not forget all that stuff about Urban Heat Island effect.

Global warming is a hoax created by our so called scientists to stop ppl from getting rich and destroying our "precous environment" but really common, when my dad was little they were afraid of global cooling and the next ice age, but then you will say what about the day after tommorw movie, i saw it it was good once you took out all the greenie propoganda which left them saying,
if, and, so, look, etc.......
it is crap. i say buldoze the forsts pump out all the oil and live the high life.
and another thing
if the ice caps melt "if" the water will not rise 100 ft and kill us all
most of it is in the water so when it melts the level will not rise try it with an ice cuba and a glass of water.
but some of you cant do that cause it would hurt the water`s feelings :eek:
please let me hear your side of the story
thanks


You do realize that the majority of glacial ice is not on water but actually on land right? Antarctica...its a continent...not just a big floating slab of ice.

Theres also the fact that if all that ice melted into the ocean it would desalinize it, lowering the temperature it would require to freeze.

Greenhouse gases. I am too lazy to explain ozone, carbon dioxide, and all those other gases right now. Do some research into what the actual argument is.

Global warming is indeed a myth.

Global warming is indeed a myth.
That's why global temperatures are rising yearly, right? My bad.

Global warming is indeed a myth.
Not to split hairs- Global warming isn't a myth, it is happening, we just don't know why, if it is natural or something that we are doing.

Not to split hairs- Global warming isn't a myth, it is happening, we just don't know why, if it is natural or something that we are doing.
Exactly.

That's why global temperatures are rising yearly, right? My bad.

Yes, fluctuations in the temperature are naturally. Global warming is left-wing b.s.

Though the starter of this thread wrote a horribly edited, and nearly unreadable post I have to agree with him.
I actually have done the research. My favorite book being Satanic Gases: Clearing the Air about Global Warming. The Earth is warming up; about .6 degrees Celsius in the last hundred years. It's more likely a natural occurence than man-made.
and even if the polar ice caps did melt, the oceans would only rise 8-12 inches.

I agree with CSW. Global warming is most certainly NOT a myth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, fluctuations in the temperature are naturally. Global warming is left-wing b.s.
We do not know if such significant temperature fluctuations are natural. It is ignorant to believe that we actually know. It may be completely caused by human activites, or very little. We just don't know yet. We don't even know if it will turn into a very serious problem yet. But the potential problems are just too frightening to disregard.

and even if the polar ice caps did melt, the oceans would only rise 8-12 inches.
Wow. Your sources are sure credible.

I personally believe in global warming, but it may or may not be humans fault.

I will start with some anti-global warming things
-The Day After Tomorro is exagerated, its a movie
-Global warming may be global thawing. A bit of a thaw between the ice ages.

Now For More stuff
-Over earths recent history i.e. 100 years the average temperature of the world has increased say about 10 degrees (not sure of exact number but it is around 10. That is A LOT! It may not seem like much but just think about it.
-C02 and other greenhouse gasses do thicken the atmosphere, that makes for more heat kept in. Other gasses destroy it though... so I am not sure what to think, my scientific knowledge does not extend that far.

Bottem Line
I think there is global warming. I think we need to do something about it, within say the next 100 years. I do not think it will be the end of the world unless it gets really bad like a temperature increase of 60-70 degrees.

Global warming is real, but it's awful arrogant of us to assume that we're the only thing causing it. I'd suspect that we're probably feeling a minor natural warming trend right now, plus with the CO2 we put into the atmosphere.

I believe that we should cut CO2 emissions, but doing so won't stop or reverse global warming. And, if the oceans do rise, well...Beachfront property in Appalachia!

Whether or not global warming caused by humans is myth is no reason to screw up the environment. There are other troubles that polluting the environment causes.

-The Day After Tomorro is exagerated, its a movie
Greatly exaggerated, yes, but it has a very large kernel of truth in there.

-Global warming may be global thawing. A bit of a thaw between the ice ages.
I see your point, but that was just articulated terribly.

-C02 and other greenhouse gasses do thicken the atmosphere, that makes for more heat kept in. Other gasses destroy it though... so I am not sure what to think, my scientific knowledge does not extend that far.
What the hell "destroys" carbon dioxide?

I do not think it will be the end of the world unless it gets really bad like a temperature increase of 60-70 degrees.
But there are many more problems other than the end of the world. We could be so royally screwed with much less temperature increases than 60-70°F.

Global warming is real, but it's awful arrogant of us to assume that we're the only thing causing it. I'd suspect that we're probably feeling a minor natural warming trend right now, plus with the CO2 we put into the atmosphere.

I believe that we should cut CO2 emissions, but doing so won't stop or reverse global warming. And, if the oceans do rise, well...Beachfront property in Appalachia!
Global warming is a natural process indeed. But the Americans are speeding it up. And theres nothing natural about that.

And, the film "The Day After Tomorrow" is not a good thing to cite. As the film is based off of the book "The Coming Global Superstorm." This book was written by Art Bell and Whitley Streaver, who have both hosted the radio show "Coast to Coast." The show is on the lower AM dial around 1:00 am. Art Bell spent many years actually broadcasting from the middle of the desert, and is a certified head-case. They talk about all sorts of odd things, Hollow Earth Theory, Ghosts, Aliens and the like. So, it has NO credibility.

Global warming is a natural process indeed. But the Americans are speeding it up. And theres nothing natural about that.
So it's only American's?

So it's only American's?
No. But predominantly. Since they use up some 25% of the oil each year.

Global warming is a natural process indeed. But the Americans are speeding it up. And theres nothing natural about that.

Yes, since everyone hates us, we have decided to wreck the place before we leave in our big spaceship.

I guess we're not getting our security deposit back, but that's okay.

when my parents was yonger before i was born where i live now we used to get a lot off snow in december which sounds good and it snowed on chrismas day but now it only snows about 2 times a year in the UK-West midlands and the snow does not even stick to the ground anymore so no so ball fight :mad:
and since i was born i never ever saw it snow on chrismas day and not expecting it this year either :headbang:

Globle warming is defenity real just ask your grand parents if it used to snow more where your all live now

Yes, since everyone hates us, we have decided to wreck the place before we leave in our big spaceship.
Is it shaped like a Big Mac?

Global warming is a natural process indeed. But the Americans are speeding it up. And theres nothing natural about that.

Yes,The americans

You Spilled Your Soda,Blame America
You got dumped,Blame america

Its not just us,look at China/Southeast Asia
They pollute more than the USA

Okay, Carbon Dioxide is something that is native to our planet, and periodically fluctuates.

Yeah we may be pumping it into the air, but thats life.

A single forest fire in siberia one year could put just as much c02 in the atmosphere as fast as ameican's emmissions for 5 years. A cindercone volcano erupts, and causes high amounts of large particulate pollution in an area for 10 years.

I say its natural. Let it warm up... Its not like we are importing extra co2 from Venus and Mars. The stuff is here and natural.

Lets be fair. I am usually the first person to jump on Americans... but very few nations actually try to not destroy the envirment.

At the originator:
It is happening and we aren't helping.

However I sometimes hope for the extinction of humans (preferably after I am dead) so that life can begin again. I would love to find out what would happen.

No. But predominantly. Since they use up some 25% of the oil each year.
Well, to use the word predominantly correctly, it's predominantly the rest of the world, seeing as they use 75% of the oil each year.

And you also have to realize that although Americans use more oil, we use it more cleanly than say, China.

Coal is also a big-time thing in global warming, while in the US we have technology that makes our coal fired plants virtually pollution free, in China they just burn the coal straight.

So, dude, we American's are responsible for more than our share, and we need to fix that, but we clearly aren't alone.

Its not just us,look at China/Southeast Asia
They pollute more than the USA
Put together yes. Each on it's own can only look in awe at the US when it comes to pollution.

Yes, fluctuations in the temperature are naturally. Global warming is left-wing b.s.

well if were gonna play the left wing vs. right wing game then.....

right wing:it turns out

iraq didnt have WMDs, there are bigger threats and worse dictators who kill more people, other countrys do have WMDs, soldiers are getting pulled back in iraq even though theyre supposed to be done,

vs.

left wing:it turns out
global warming mgiht not be real, but it just might!

now which one is killing more people

So, dude, we American's are responsible for more than our share, and we need to fix that, but we clearly aren't alone.
I never said you were alone. Just that you were the main cause.

Dammit Lacadaemon! Way to let the world in on our plans. Now we'll have to kill everyone who reads this thread.

I'm concerned about global warming, whether it be a natural phenomenon, human caused, or a mix of both. I'm concerned, mostly, because it hasn't snowed in the mountains near my home enough to open the ski resort there, and I just got new skis too. Nice ones. :mad:

However I sometimes hope for the extinction of humans (preferably after I am dead) so that life can begin again. I would love to find out what would happen.

yep another intelligent spices (Planet Of The-- Apes takes ower place and do what where doing already lol

-Over earths recent history i.e. 100 years the average temperature of the world has increased say about 10 degrees (not sure of exact number but it is around 10. That is A LOT! It may not seem like much but just think about it.


That's complete crap. The average world temperature has risen about .6 degrees Celsius or 1.1 degrees Fahrenheit.
http://yosemite.epa.gov/oar/globalwarming.nsf/content/climate.html

I never said you were alone. Just that you were the main cause.
I'm saying the main cause is the rest of the world. They're responsible for 75% of oil consumption anyways.

I agree that the Day After Tomorrow is greatly exaggeratted, however it may (and probably does) have SOME truth in it, but not too much.

I'm saying the main cause is the rest of the world. They're responsible for 75% of oil consumption anyways.
Hmm yes. Rest of the world. Some 6 billion VS 290 million.

I agree that the Day After Tomorrow is greatly exaggeratted, however it may (and probably does) have SOME truth in it, but not too much.
perhaps that global warming is bad and that a sudden ice age would be bad, but otherwise it was totally unscientific.

But the cg was pretty cool, so that gets points.

Hmm yes. Rest of the world. Some 6 billion VS 290 million.
My point is that the rest of the world puts out more than the US, as such it is a bigger cause for g-warming.

Well, the main cause is the rest of the world, yes. However, America uses the most resources of all nations on earth. However, China, for example pollutes more, because it uses its resources less cleanly.

My point is that the rest of the world puts out more than the US, as such it is a bigger cause for g-warming.
My point is that some 290 million use, in comparison, a hell of a lot more resources then 6 billion.

All of the planets are in a declining orbit leading into the sun. Not only will the ice melt, but the planet will be incinerated. Besides, does it really matter? With the war-mongers leading the globe, we should be more concerned about being killed by weapons rather than the side effects of pollution.

i hope a sudden ice age or half an ice age like the day after tommorow would be good for the world as it would make goverments think twice about polluting the planet

but i really don't want a big vortex thing over the UK that would just ruin my day ;)

Global Warming isn't a myth :headbang: The earth is heating itself up and eventually it will begin to cool down BUT BY THE TIME THIS HAPPENS ALL OF US WILL BE DEAD!! SO WHY DO WE CARE!????

All of the planets are in a declining orbit leading into the sun. Not only will the ice melt, but the planet will be incinerated. Besides, does it really matter? With the war-mongers leading the globe, we should be more concerned about being killed by weapons rather than the side effects of pollution.
I always thought it was the sun thats expanding untill it one day will reach earth.

My point is that some 290 million use, in comparison, a hell of a lot more resources then 6 billion.
I'm not arguing that the US uses more, but China pollutes more and by that your statement that the US is the main cause is not true.

I always thought it was the sun thats expanding untill it one day will reach earth.

Both events are going to occur. Before that day, however, the trend of preemptive strikes will go nuclear. So, poof!

Of course global warming is real! Who in their right minds would try to argue that?
The thing most people don't seem to understand is that it is COMPLETLY NATURAL.
The earth naturally goes through periods of warm and cool- why do you think ice ages ever happened?
Humans are not causing it- you credit us too much. Everything we put out into the atmosphere already existed in some form on this world- nothing is unnatural!
It has been found that global warming has been happening for a lot longer than we have been doing things which "cause" it.
In the 14th and 15th centuries, it was substantially cooler than it is now, why do you think they always wore such heavy clothes, especially in Europe?
Global warming was happening long before any of us were aware of it, and what we are doing is NOT contributing greatly to it...
Besides, even if we were, better to be a few degrees warmer than stuck in another ice age ;)

Somehow, I doubt that we'll have nuclear war on our hands anytime soon. Any thinking human being can see that one missile leads to another, which leads to a bunch of them, which leads to a planet with a cracked crust. Nukes are more of a bargaining chip than a real danger.

It could be natural, or it could be man-caused. We don't know.
We do know that:
- Europe was in a mini-ice age at the time of the Middle Ages, thus leading to crop failures, thus leading to the rise of Christianity (I could do a 'proof' like in geometry for that like they are on the other threads if you wish me to); suggesting that the temperature naturally fluctuates over time.
- There is a higher concentration of Greenhouse gases in the envirnment, possibly from the emmision of CFCs; suggesting that the warming of the Earth right now has been caused by man.

Regardless of the cause, we'll still be out of oil in a few decades. Hydrogen cars will HAVE to be explored, even though hydrogen-powered cars seem almost impossible right now.

Global Warming is not a myth propagated by "liberals" (why does the issue of the complete destruction of the environment have to be left or right wing?) it is the truth. British scientists inspecting this question recorded the Earth's ozone levels and came to the conclusion, due to their results, that their instruments were broken or had been improperly calibrated. The team, thus, made a return trip after they were SURE that their instruments were properly calibrated and were ok. They found the same results. It turns out that the ozone layer was at such a crappy state that these *scientists* couldn't believe how bad it was and it took two trips to convince them of its truth. Global climate watches have shown a steady rising of the Earth's overall temperature over the last 50 years. It is happening. It is true. If the original poster really thinks that hyper-liberals are the only ones that care about the environment, there are serious problems in the world.

I pose to all those who say that we matter more than the entire planet, i ask this question, if you had a choice between killing a puppy ( :( ) and getting an amount of oil equal to its body weight, or if you could saver the puppy and forget about the oil, what would you do? Even if you can't make the connection between nature and puppies, it is the same thing with the pandas and all of the other endangered species out there. (by the way, the idea of killing a puppy is more of a joke than anything, so think about the premise rather than the specific example.)

Recent surveys have also shown that the northern ice caps are starting to break up due to global warming. By the way, tell drowning Nanook that global warming doesn't exist. This melting of the ice caps would cause sea levels to rise to a point that would submerge Manhattan. Now if you work on the ninetieth floor of the Empire State Building, your going to be ok, just, er, sleep in your office for long periods of time. Otherwise, however, a lot of people are going to be displaced from one of the largest cities in the world.

I'm not arguing that the US uses more, but China pollutes more and by that your statement that the US is the main cause is not true.
Whats the current price for a gallon of gas? 2 dollar something? And what do American households have more then any other household in the world? (besides bodymass) Cars. Or am I wrong that many American households have 2 or more cars? And that they use them to drive pretty much anywhere. Even just for a few blocks to go to the supermarket.

Both events are going to occur. Before that day, however, the trend of preemptive strikes will go nuclear. So, poof!

true but we must relise that all this is about to appen in the next couple of millions of years so i think we might finaly have the tech to leave ower planet or that we destoryed ower selfs in nukelar winter

true but we must relise that all this is about to appen in the next couple of millions of years
OMG!!!! We are all going to DIE!!!!!!

Of course global warming is real! Who in their right minds would try to argue that?
The thing most people don't seem to understand is that it is COMPLETLY NATURAL.
The earth naturally goes through periods of warm and cool- why do you think ice ages ever happened?
Humans are not causing it- you credit us too much. Everything we put out into the atmosphere already existed in some form on this world- nothing is unnatural!
It has been found that global warming has been happening for a lot longer than we have been doing things which "cause" it.
In the 14th and 15th centuries, it was substantially cooler than it is now, why do you think they always wore such heavy clothes, especially in Europe?
Global warming was happening long before any of us were aware of it, and what we are doing is NOT contributing greatly to it...
Besides, even if we were, better to be a few degrees warmer than stuck in another ice age ;)

huh, so really, those giant smokestacks that have been proven to destroy the ozone layer actually don't do anything, because even though we are burning materials to produce carcinogens, the basic things were there before. It's like how plastic isn't bad for the environment, because it comes from crude oil, which has been here for time immemorial.

"Everything we put out into the atmosphere already existed in some form on this world- nothing is unnatural!"

Actually, although everything is "natural," we have changed the combinations of molecules. Also, uranium that was once buried has been dug up and it has been processed into a more concentrated form of radiation.

Beyond that, just as the sky has been blackened by natural events like the volcanic eruption of Krakatoa, everyone must concede that humans dumping soot, carbon dioxide, lead, carbon monoxide, arsenic, etc., into the air does have an effect on the weather.

Global warming is a hoax created by our so called scientists to stop ppl from getting rich and destroying our "precous environment" but really common, when my dad was little they were afraid of global cooling and the next ice age, but then you will say what about the day after tommorw movie, i saw it it was good once you took out all the greenie propoganda which left them saying,
Yeah, it's all just to make a bunch of money. Let's forget the fact that scienists have a pret-ty low salary/input ratio.

if, and, so, look, etc.......
it is crap. i say buldoze the forsts pump out all the oil and live the high life.

Ok, let's "buldoze the forsts". Hope you like playing on immense platforms of concrete. Pump out all the oil- it'll end. Live the high life- yeah, being extremely rich at the expense of your children and the part of the population that makes all those toothpicks for you is extremely moral and good.

if the ice caps melt "if" the water will not rise 100 ft and kill us all
most of it is in the water so when it melts the level will not rise try it with an ice cuba and a glass of water.
but some of you cant do that cause it would hurt the water`s feelings :eek:

Show me one sane person who says you can hurt water's feelings. Next- show me one sane person who says the water will suddenly rise 100ft as per analysis with current information. I'll check out the evidence and drop you a line to say if it is bullshit or not.

To sum up: point one is bullshit, point two is bullshit, point three is bullshit. Basically, bullshit.

And it's not just global warming that those EVUL thieving environmentalists have made up. They also made up that it doesn't feel good to be kept in smelly pens and force fed food just so some spoiled kid to get his McNuggets. Some more stuff they made up- ozone depletion. Aren't there hundreds of papers on how good for you CFCs are and how horrible the ozone layer is? I mean- IT STOPS CANCER! OMG! 73h suczzorcs, plwlllxxxxxoozoozrezs! And yeah, plants really suck, look at brocolli- it's way too good for you. Let's just spray Agent Orange everywhere. We'll start with your face, if you don't mind. Dumbass...

I'm a bio chem major which means that organic chemistry, green house gasses, etc. etc. is pretty much one of my specilites. I can tell you this much, it is imposible to observe a trend over a time span of 50 so years. Impossible. Minnor atmospheric varations occure all the time but it would be incredibly unfair to say that they are a globle atmospheric trend. It would take at least 200 some years of data to say that the atmospher is either warming up or cooling down with any degree of acutacy. Secondly, the ice age occured without any interferance from humans so it is safe to say that humans aren't the only things that cause major atmosperic trends. Everyone constantly talks about how people distroy the enviorment but what they don't realize is that it is imposible to distroy an enviorment. People can only change enviorments which is what happens normaly in the course of the history of the Earth. Animals adapt to these changes or die in which case other animals come up and take their places. The only thing we're doing with out greenhouse gasses is restoring the atmospher to the way it was 100 million years ago. All the lectures given by profesores that I've seen advertised consist of tittles such as, "Globle warming, a bunch of hot air" and others so it is now getting to the point were the academic community is admiting that they may have overreacted a little to this "threat". The only real organization benifiting from the hype is the media, which tends to overdramatazise everything, and since it is the only real way the public hears about such things it's no surprise that so many people are worried.

I'm saying the main cause is the rest of the world. They're responsible for 75% of oil consumption anyways.

you do realize that means that the US is responsible for a quarter of the world's oil consumption? In a world with over 6.5 billion people where the US takes up .25 of that population, and in a world with over 200 countries, being the cause of 25% of the world's oil consumption is atrocious

Oh yeah, speaking of weather, we Floridians saw the power of four hurricanes this season. Other than the dead and injured, there are plenty of people who continue living in temporary shelters because their houses were leveled In Charlotte County.

So, some people can say the planet is warming. Others can say it is cooling. I can say that this summer I had to evacuate once, my mother-in-law had to live with us for two weeks because there was no electricity in her neighborhood, and my son let people live at his house after their homes were destroyed by a hurricane.

Global climate watches have shown a steady rising of the Earth's overall temperature over the last 50 years. It is happening. It is true.

Yes they have. They've discovered a rise of .6 degrees C in 100 years. And they've discovered it to be rising linearly even though the levels of carbom emissions have risen exponentially over the last century. No matter how munch gunk we throw up there, the temperature keeps rising as a steady rate. It's a natural accurance that would be happening independent of human actions and technology..

http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p36.htm

"World leaders gathered in Kyoto, Japan, in December 1997 to consider a world treaty restricting emissions of ''greenhouse gases,'' chiefly carbon dioxide (CO2), that are thought to cause ''global warming'' severe increases in Earth's atmospheric and surface temperatures, with disastrous environmental consequences. Predictions of global warming are based on computer climate modeling, a branch of science still in its infancy. The empirical evidence actual measurements of Earth's temperature shows no man-made warming trend. Indeed, over the past two decades, when CO2 levels have been at their highest, global average temperatures have actually cooled slightly.

To be sure, CO2 levels have increased substantially since the Industrial Revolution, and are expected to continue doing so. It is reasonable to believe that humans have been responsible for much of this increase. But the effect on the environment is likely to be benign. Greenhouse gases cause plant life, and the animal life that depends upon it, to thrive. What mankind is doing is liberating carbon from beneath the Earth's surface and putting it into the atmosphere, where it is available for conversion into living organisms. "

'Nuf said.

Global warming is a hoax created by our so called scientists to stop ppl from getting rich and destroying our "precous environment" but really common, when my dad was little they were afraid of global cooling and the next ice age...day after tommorw movie...please let me hear your side of the story

The optimist in me is inclined to believe that this is a parody... or an idiot who doesn't have plans or means for procreation.
But it matters not; he will procreate and end up having a bunch of nice shoe shiners for my children to as their generation occupies their time attempting to reconstucting/continue to preserve our fragile biome we habitually abuse.

Whoever says that global warming is a myth, he/she is in sin. He/she must have no idea about global warming. Go to read more, go to read about "HIGH FREQUENCY ACTIVE AURORAL RESEARCH PROGRAM" as an example. :(

Global warming is a hoax created by our so called scientists to stop ppl from getting rich and destroying our "precous environment" but really common, when my dad was little they were afraid of global cooling and the next ice age, but then you will say what about the day after tommorw movie, i saw it it was good once you took out all the greenie propoganda which left them saying,
if, and, so, look, etc.......
it is crap. i say buldoze the forsts pump out all the oil and live the high life.
and another thing
if the ice caps melt "if" the water will not rise 100 ft and kill us all
most of it is in the water so when it melts the level will not rise try it with an ice cuba and a glass of water.
but some of you cant do that cause it would hurt the water`s feelings :eek:
please let me hear your side of the story
thanks
Tell me, how educated are you? Have you spent years upon years of your life researching weather patterns and global conditions? Did you also spend years of your life in school first? Doesn't seem like it with the way your post is constructed. Why don't you try leaving the science to the people who understand it?
Oh, and you might want to stop supporting Bush too, while you're at it; he's an idiot, not the Messiah.

Predictions of global warming are based on computer climate modeling, a branch of science still in its infancy.

Don't get me started on computer climate models. The things are frequently doctored up to present reality. When the rising levels of CO2 and other crap is programmed in they predict temeperatures much higher than what we see in real life. If these computers can't give the correct current temperatures, how can we trust them in their future readings?

Tell me, how educated are you? Have you spent years upon years of your life researching weather patterns and global conditions? Did you also spend years of your life in school first? Doesn't seem like it with the way your post is constructed. Why don't you try leaving the science to the people who understand it?
Oh, and you might want to stop supporting Bush too, while you're at it; he's an idiot, not the Messiah.

has anybody else noticed that the vast majority of the educated people in the world hate Bush? Seriously, it's getting kinda weird.

by the way, don't flame me, it's only an observation

Whoever says that global warming is a myth, he/she is in sin. He/she must have no idea about global warming. Go to read more, go to read about "HIGH FREQUENCY ACTIVE AURORAL RESEARCH PROGRAM" as an example. :(

Yes, sure, some data may suggest that there is some small atmospheric trends, but these small varriations can be attributed to the normal variatins that occure in a climate over a period of time and that have occured many times in the history of the Earth. You should try looking at a lot of sources and then come up with an oppinoin on all of them.

http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p36.htm

"World leaders gathered in Kyoto, Japan, in December 1997 to consider a world treaty restricting emissions of ''greenhouse gases,'' chiefly carbon dioxide (CO2), that are thought to cause ''global warming'' severe increases in Earth's atmospheric and surface temperatures, with disastrous environmental consequences. Predictions of global warming are based on computer climate modeling, a branch of science still in its infancy. The empirical evidence actual measurements of Earth's temperature shows no man-made warming trend. Indeed, over the past two decades, when CO2 levels have been at their highest, global average temperatures have actually cooled slightly.

To be sure, CO2 levels have increased substantially since the Industrial Revolution, and are expected to continue doing so. It is reasonable to believe that humans have been responsible for much of this increase. But the effect on the environment is likely to be benign. Greenhouse gases cause plant life, and the animal life that depends upon it, to thrive. What mankind is doing is liberating carbon from beneath the Earth's surface and putting it into the atmosphere, where it is available for conversion into living organisms. "

'Nuf said.

Why yes, and mercury poisoning just makes each newborn babe unique.
And overfishing will help make more people become vegetarians.
And water pollution will help capitalism, Starbucks, and Evian.
And maybe deforestation will get rid of all those bothersome birds and animals which I can't pronounce.
I wish we had smog like LA, it's so beautiful when the UV rays are trapped in a layer of filth.
Acid rain is God's way of saying to stop masturbating.

I'm worried, will Republicans be able to use the elephant as the party animal if they continue supporting their detrimental and deplorable views on endangered species?

Yes, sure, some data may suggest that there is some small atmospheric trends, but these small varriations can be attributed to the normal variatins that occure in a climate over a period of time and that have occured many times in the history of the Earth. You should try looking at a lot of sources and then come up with an oppinoin on all of them.

How's this for a reason.

It's ugly. It makes my asthma worse. There are better ways. There are more efficient ways. Apathy isn't even befitting of Christians.

I could also tell you how it affects animals, especially amphibians, but I'm sure you don't care.

Why yes, and mercury poisoning just makes each newborn babe unique.
And overfishing will help make more people become vegetarians.
Acid rain is God's way of saying to stop masturbating.
:D :D :D :D :D :D

I'm worried, will Republicans be able to use the elephant as the party animal if they continue supporting their detrimental and deplorable views on endangered species?
Actually I think elephants are starting to become a problem at the moment. There are just to much of them right now.

I'm first off talking about global warming, secondly I know a lot about how it effects amphibians, in fact I spent 3 months studing it. I'm not talking about pollution.

Sorry if this is a repeate of some older info, i got tired of reeding so much bs...

Think of this... What started the first ice age... It wasent us it was natural so whats to say that it just isn't going to happen again.

I dont care about any amount of calculations in any type of sciense on this topic as there are simply to many variables. Sorry to burst your bubble but the earth is not the center of tha galixy and we ( planit earth ) rotate on an axis which in turn rotates in our soler system which rotates around our galixy which happens to be on a colision course for the galixy of andramida... and we move in whatever biger unit of space there is out there inevitably infinatly... Think about that for a second.

It is said that, in theory, to predict the future one must know the location of all matter and energy in space and its current motion. and that if you knew all that you could see into the future indefinatly. The reason for this is that everything has an effect on another thing and in turn there are an infinate amount of variables for everything except things with a set amount of variables ( which in theory is impossible according to the above statement). We could simply be in the path of some energy from space or we are rotating closer to the sun or the earth is heating up from the inside( volcanic activity has been srange lately and that dosent mean simply valcanos)

With that whole argument aside to think that the human race has any effect on the planit as a whole is absurd! and overall aragont. Land covers only a small portion of the earth right? and that land is mostly "wild" right, and after that we have huge wildlife presurves, and after that farms, and than finily cities. Now that we got that covered if u still are not geting it... Thats taking the planit as a 2 dimensional object! the oceans go deep and the sky reaches on for unimaginable hights. To think that the human race could change on a golbal scale the atmospheric conditions of this or any planit is simply illogical. We simply are not that powerful... realy we are not.

YES the earth is warming but is it from us... not polssible i say.

And is the earth warming up realy a bad thing? think about it what causes a species to evolve. Advers conditions that require adaptation. The human race of recent years has substituted techknology for evolution so i think its time we had a natural disaster to reset us on a correct path.

Feel free to debate this further with me my E-Mail is KAMaki101@yahoo.com

P.S. Adding to the fact that i cant spell it is late and i am tired i also have a hedach so i apologise for the gramatical errors. I know it takes away form the credibility of my information but if u think about it it realy all makes sence!

This thread is nonsense, global warming is real and ignoring it is a huge mistake. Yes there are natural increases in temperature but not on the scale we are in, our pollution is speeding up and amplifying the natural warming cycle of the planet. The O zone hole is now shrinking, which shows that if we put our mind to it we can stop this.
When the ice caps start to melt, the resultant desalanisation will shut down the gulf stream and plunge the northern hemisphere into an ice age. Dont think just because its in a film makes it made up, the film mearly condensed events into a smaller time scale but that is what is now widely agreed to be the likely outcome of global warming.

But then you Americans are too concerned with making a few Dollars extra than signing up to the Kyoto agreement arent you...

Yes, fluctuations in the temperature are naturally. Global warming is left-wing b.s.
Agreed. Apparently, we're overdue for another ice age.

I suppose the starter of this thread also thinks that fossil fuels arent running out, that recycling is a waste of time and that animals serve no purpose other than to be food for us...

13 degrees here in American Midwest

Im hoping for some global warming right now

;)

Global warming is a natural process indeed. But the Americans are speeding it up. And theres nothing natural about that.
americans?
common
we have to be one of the most green nations in our class of sive
go to china they are still running off of coal for their trains
protest there
we are as green as we can get with out going back to the 1600s

13 degrees here in American Midwest

Im hoping for some global warming right now

;)


yeh me to yesterday it was -29 here in northern ny

I suppose the starter of this thread also thinks that fossil fuels arent running out, that recycling is a waste of time and that animals serve no purpose other than to be food for us...

They are running out. Not everything is worth recycling. Animals will die before we do, because we feel we're worth more than they are (well, I'll gladly sacrifice a PETA member to keep a rat alive).

I suppose the starter of this thread also thinks that fossil fuels arent running out, that recycling is a waste of time and that animals serve no purpose other than to be food for us...


yup i do
screw the environment
live it up

They are running out. Not everything is worth recycling. Animals will die before we do, because we feel we're worth more than they are (well, I'll gladly sacrifice a PETA member to keep a rat alive).
Even rats that carry a plague?
What if that PETA member also was working on the cure for HIV or something? Does that change your mind?

well yea if the earth warms up its probably becasue we are in a mini ice age...you know we never used to have ice caps!

and the main reason the water will rise is becasue all the little molecules in the water have more energy and water expands...this raises the water more than the ice cpas melting...i might be wrong but i doubt it:D

Yes,The americans

You Spilled Your Soda,Blame America
You got dumped,Blame america

Its not just us,look at China/Southeast Asia
They pollute more than the USA

Really? Have any statistics to back that up?

I believe China is still classified as an 'emerging' nation, anyway - so isn't under the smae 'control' scheme as the 'developed' world... although they ARE currently making huge efforts to reduce pollution dramtically by 2008 (since they will host the Olympics) - which is more than can be said of the USA.

Global warming is a hoax created by our so called scientists to stop ppl from getting rich and destroying our "precous environment" but really common, when my dad was little they were afraid of global cooling and the next ice age, but then you will say what about the day after tommorw movie, i saw it it was good once you took out all the greenie propoganda which left them saying,
if, and, so, look, etc.......
it is crap. i say buldoze the forsts pump out all the oil and live the high life.
and another thing
if the ice caps melt "if" the water will not rise 100 ft and kill us all
most of it is in the water so when it melts the level will not rise try it with an ice cuba and a glass of water.
but some of you cant do that cause it would hurt the water`s feelings :eek:
please let me hear your side of the story
thanks

Feel free to find yourself the latest copy if "Discover" magazine, and read the article "Turning Point" - which is a pretty good summing-up of the advances in ecological science in THIS LAST YEAR, that have pretty much proven your claim wrong.

"Let’s start with stinkbugs. On August 24, 2003, a fortnight after the temperature in London had climbed above 100 degrees Fahrenheit for the first time in recorded history, D. E. Maggs of Kingswood Avenue, Queens Park, walked into the British Natural History Museum carrying a small glass jar. It contained two specimens of a curious insect she had collected on her tomato plants. She presented them to beetle curator Max Barclay, who identified them as Nezara viridula, the southern green stinkbug. He noted that they were nymphs, meaning they had been born in London. “I thought she was having me on,” Barclay recalls. Stinkbugs are widespread in warmer climes, he explained to Maggs, and had long been known to cross the Channel in crates of Italian produce. But until now they couldn’t reproduce in the tepid English summers. Apparently that changed: Barclay says a new generation of stinkbugs has popped up in various gardens around London."

The whole article goes into much more depth - but the website will only let you read that much, unless you are a subscriber.

http://www.discover.com/issues/jan-05/cover/

americans?
common
we have to be one of the most green nations in our class of sive
go to china they are still running off of coal for their trains
protest there
we are as green as we can get with out going back to the 1600s
Sooo....by not signing up to the Kyoto agreement and keeping emissions at 25% global and rising, the US, is actually,.....doing us a favour?

Gosh, why didn't I see that!

*smacks forehead in disbelief*

Whats the current price for a gallon of gas? 2 dollar something? And what do American households have more then any other household in the world? (besides bodymass) Cars. Or am I wrong that many American households have 2 or more cars? And that they use them to drive pretty much anywhere. Even just for a few blocks to go to the supermarket.
There are more factors influencing carbon dioxide emissions than just the burning of gasoline and other major oil products. In fact, the major one is coal burning. A coal powerplant, espescially when lacking modern clean coal technology (like what they use in China) is a horrendous polluter, much more so than a city full of cars.

Global warming is a hoax created by our so called scientists to stop ppl from getting rich and destroying our "precous environment" but really common, when my dad was little they were afraid of global cooling and the next ice age, but then you will say what about the day after tommorw movie, i saw it it was good once you took out all the greenie propoganda which left them saying,
if, and, so, look, etc.......
it is crap. i say buldoze the forsts pump out all the oil and live the high life.
and another thing
if the ice caps melt "if" the water will not rise 100 ft and kill us all
most of it is in the water so when it melts the level will not rise try it with an ice cuba and a glass of water.
but some of you cant do that cause it would hurt the water`s feelings :eek:
please let me hear your side of the story
thanks
Ok your an idiot. Buldoze the forests? That's where all the oxygen we breathe comes from! And our oil reserves wont last forever.

To be sure, CO2 levels have increased substantially since the Industrial Revolution, and are expected to continue doing so. It is reasonable to believe that humans have been responsible for much of this increase. But the effect on the environment is likely to be benign. Greenhouse gases cause plant life, and the animal life that depends upon it, to thrive. What mankind is doing is liberating carbon from beneath the Earth's surface and putting it into the atmosphere, where it is available for conversion into living organisms. "

'Nuf said.
Plants are carbon neutral once mature i.e. they consume only as much carbon as they produce. By liberating carbon, as you so nicely put it, the CO2 conc. increases. However, other things such as nitrate conc. or mineral ion conc. in the soil do not change, so the plants can't grow any faster. Net result? More CO2, increased greenhouse effect. Also, animals will not thrive from increased CO2 in this case as temp. fluctuations will get bigger and all those highly adapted organisms will suffer and die.

americans?
common
we have to be one of the most green nations in our class of sive
go to china they are still running off of coal for their trains
protest there
we are as green as we can get with out going back to the 1600s

I'm sorry to say this, but you are either wrong or lying (http://chemistry.beloit.edu/Warming/moviepages/topCO2.htm).

USA is, per capita and in gross, the largest contributor to carbon dioxide emissions on the planet. It puzzles me why you would make such a bold statement when statistics are readily available. Did you trust your stereotypes of China or is this just wishful thinking? In terms of being "green", America is in the 1600s.

There are more factors influencing carbon dioxide emissions than just the burning of gasoline and other major oil products. In fact, the major one is coal burning. A coal powerplant, espescially when lacking modern clean coal technology (like what they use in China) is a horrendous polluter, much more so than a city full of cars.

Let me make this clear for everyone: there is no technology that reduces carbon dioxide emissions from coal plants. The "clean coal technology" you mentioned only applies to particle emissions and gases other than CO2. A modern fossil fuel plant is actually a worse CO2 polluter because of its greater capacity.