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Because
1. Jews say they exist
2. You can't trust the Jews

We can determine:
The Jews do not exist.





I really wish I could remember who first enlightened me to this...

I really wish I could remember who first enlightened me to this...

Ah, yes, but existence is not a logical predicate.

Logical Proof of God's lack of existance:
1. God didn't say he existed
2. Man is fallable
3. If man syas god exists, we can't trust man to always be right
4. Therefore, god does not exist.




I can do this for anything.

I can do this for anything.

Ah, yes, but existence is not a logical predicate.

Why does that proof on Jews' nonexistance seem like it would collapse in on itself like a neutron star?

Given: Europeans say Americans are fat
Prove: All Americans are fat

1. Americans are not fat, Assume opposite of proof is true
2. Europeans do not say Americans are fat, Europeans tend to tell truth because they are lefites
3. Europeans say Americans are fat, Given
4. All Americans are fat, Contradiction

Ah, yes, but existence is not a logical predicate.

I'll predicate your face... into a bloody... pulp...?

Given:
1. Everything, except the supernatural, has a cause.
2. Everything God creates is supernatural.


To prove:
God exists

Arguement:
1. Everything has a cause.
2. God, being supernatural, does not need to have a cause.
3. God must be the Ultimate Cause of Everything.
4. God exists.


My Bible school teacher actually tried to use that one on me once. Can you find the fallacy/obvious counterargument?

Does it make me stupid that I can't find it? It's been a while since logic... I dunno, the part where it says everything God creates is supernatural?

I'll predicate you too.

and what makes you think you can't trust the jews?...

Anyway, these anti-semitism threads are really starting to piss me off. If you are going to start a thread, make it interesting, and purposeful. Don't post random offensive stuff just to satisfy your lust for attention.

This was a true/false question I got on a test:'

7. The anwser to this statement is false.
(A)True
(B)False

Figure out that!

Does it make me stupid that I can't find it? It's been a while since logic... I dunno, the part where it says everything God creates is supernatural?

I'll predicate you too.

Yeah, because if God made everything, and everything God makes is supernatural, and supernatural things don't need to have a cause, that means that nothing needs a cause. Of course, if you use that to say that God does not exist, then that means nothing is supernatural, which means it does need a cause.... you can go around in circles like that indefinitely.

Anyway, these anti-semitism threads are really starting to piss me off. If you are going to start a thread, make it interesting, and purposeful. Don't post random offensive stuff just to satisfy your lust for attention.

The thread really isn't meant to be anti-semitic. It was a logical proof I read somewhere. The same site argued that there was no Moon on the grounds that all scientists agree that there is a Moon. I'm sorry if I offended you. Please try not to interpret a blatantly ridiculous proof as an attack on Judaism.

The thread really isn't meant to be anti-semitic. It was a logical proof I read somewhere. The same site argued that there was no Moon on the grounds that all scientists agree that there is a Moon. I'm sorry if you interpreted it that way.

What was the site?

Found it! (Go me)

The Mad Revisionist (http://www.revisionism.nl/)

I reread their "Do the Jews Exist?" page... it's alot more complex than the proof I offered.

This was a true/false question I got on a test:'

7. The anwser to this statement is false.
(A)True
(B)False

Figure out that!

Flawed: statements don't require answers, questions might.

Because
1. Jews say they exist
2. You can't trust the Jews

We can determine:
The Jews do not exist.





I really wish I could remember who first enlightened me to this...
holy shit, then i don't exist..
ummm...
crap...
I know! I am a ghost! Boo!

This was a true/false question I got on a test:'

7. The anwser to this statement is false.
(A)True
(B)False

Figure out that!
False, there is no spoon.

holy shit, then i don't exist..
ummm...
crap...
I know! I am a ghost! Boo!

:eek:

Wait... does that mean ghosts exist?

Jews are the scum of the earth.

They have been deported from over 80 different countries in the last 4000 years.

They are the reason thousands of Americans have died since 9/11.

Jews are the scum of the earth.

They have been deported from over 80 different countries in the last 4000 years.

They are the reason thousands of Americans have died since 9/11.
Are you kidding?

Jews are the scum of the earth.

That's pretty subjective

They have been deported from over 80 different countries in the last 4000 years.

That doesn't really mean anything other than that 80 different countries over the past 4000 years didn't like the Jews.

They are the reason thousands of Americans have died since 9/11.

That's really everyone's fault... Europe - for dividing up the world in the nineteenth century and haphazardly liberating everyone in the mid-twentieth, the US - for not doing much about the Israel-Palestine situation, and probably for that haphazard liberation thing, the Middle Eastern nations - for holding a nine hundred year grudge against the west... I mean, a lot of people could have been a lot nicer to each other... blaming everything solely on the Jews is - in a word - blatantly inaccurate.

Can you find the fallacy/obvious counterargument?
Can you find the fallacy/obvious counterargument?
Given:
2. Everything God creates is supernatural.

...

Arguement:
1. Everything has a cause.


We're supposedly created by God, so why arn't we supernatural.
If "everything" has a cause, the supernatural does too. (Sorry if it's anal-retentive)

Is that it?

Logical Proof of God's lack of existance:
1. God didn't say he existed
2. Man is fallable
3. If man syas god exists, we can't trust man to always be right
4. Therefore, god does not exist.




I can do this for anything.


God said: "I am."

Dudes what is so wrong with Jews? Jesus was a Jew.

The Jews killed Christ.

So does this mean I can tell my mother to put away the latkes and stop lighting the hannukiah every year? :D

The Jews killed Christ.

If we didn't, you wouldn't have a religion. Thank us. ;)

Because
1. Jews say they exist
2. You can't trust the Jews

We can determine:
The Jews do not exist.

Neither do you.

1. It is possible that Urukku absolutely does not exist.
2. Anything that is possible is true in at least one possible universe.
3. Anything that is absolutely true is true in all possible universes.
4. In at least one possible universe, Urukku absolutely does not exist. (1 and 2)
5. Urukku does not exist in any possible universe. (3 and 4)

The actual universe being one possible universe, we can conclude that Urukku does not exist in the actual universe.

QED

Ah, yes, but existence is not a logical predicate.
Isn't it always the way? You get a really good ontological problem going and then Immanual Kant comes and messes it all up.

Anyway, if the Jews didn't exist, then they couldn't tell you that they existed and so you couldn't disbelieve them.

OK, the Jews didn't kill Jesus, the Romans did, because he was yet another rabble-rousing messiah who the Jews were flocking around. He also happened to be a threat to the Pharisees, who were happy to get him out of the way. The leaders may have wanted him "out of the way," but they didn't kill him.

There was a history channel special on this too, where they reinterpret the texts to point out that really, the whole "Washing of Hands" thing by Pilate was him telling the Jews "You have no King of the Jews, there will be no King of the Jews, Rome is always supreme here."

Neither do you.

1. It is possible that Urukku absolutely does not exist.
2. Anything that is possible is true in at least one possible universe.
3. Anything that is absolutely true is true in all possible universes.
4. In at least one possible universe, Urukku absolutely does not exist. (1 and 2)
5. Urukku does not exist in any possible universe. (3 and 4)

The actual universe being one possible universe, we can conclude that Urukku does not exist in the actual universe.

QED

Hmmm... I hadn't thought of that (vanishes in a puff of logic).

Given:
1. Everything, except the supernatural, has a cause.
2. Everything God creates is supernatural.


To prove:
God exists

Arguement:
1. Everything has a cause.
2. God, being supernatural, does not need to have a cause.
3. God must be the Ultimate Cause of Everything.
4. God exists.


My Bible school teacher actually tried to use that one on me once. Can you find the fallacy/obvious counterargument?Well, the problem that I would pick out is the fact that "everything has a cause" is a piece of inductive reasoning based on events within the universe. However, to go from a general point about events within the universe to a statement about the universe itself (what caused it) is not logically coherant.

OK, the Jews didn't kill Jesus, the Romans did, because he was yet another rabble-rousing messiah who the Jews were flocking around. He also happened to be a threat to the Pharisees, who were happy to get him out of the way. The leaders may have wanted him "out of the way," but they didn't kill him.


SHHHHHHHHHH!!! I *like* them believing we did it.

The other option is just to ask why it has to be God and not any old random quasi-omnipotent deity.

However, to go from a general point about events within the universe to a statement about the universe itself (what caused it) is not logically coherant.

No, but it's a lot of fun.

OK, the Jews didn't kill Jesus, the Romans did, because he was yet another rabble-rousing messiah who the Jews were flocking around. He also happened to be a threat to the Pharisees, who were happy to get him out of the way. The leaders may have wanted him "out of the way," but they didn't kill him.

There was a history channel special on this too, where they reinterpret the texts to point out that really, the whole "Washing of Hands" thing by Pilate was him telling the Jews "You have no King of the Jews, there will be no King of the Jews, Rome is always supreme here."
Scripture and Tradition both state otherwise- with the Jews as murderers of Christ.

But, oh the History Channel said otherwise. I guess they took a break from Tales of Jewish Lampshades for just enough time to examine the revised "history" of the Christ-killers. :rolleyes:

Scripture and Tradition both state otherwise- with the Jews as murderers of Christ.

But, oh the History Channel said otherwise. I guess they took a break from Tales of Jewish Lampshades for just enough time to examine the revised "history" of the Christ-killers. :rolleyes:


Once again ... if we didn't, you wouldn't have a religion. You should be thanking us and sending us money.

Because
1. Jews say they exist
2. You can't trust the Jews

We can determine:
The Jews do not exist.





I really wish I could remember who first enlightened me to this...
How about you just shut up and end your idiot racism right now? People like you disgust me.

How about you just shut up and end your idiot racism right now? People like you disgust me.

People who are clearly just joking around disgust you?

Scripture and Tradition both state otherwise- with the Jews as murderers of Christ.

But, oh the History Channel said otherwise. I guess they took a break from Tales of Jewish Lampshades for just enough time to examine the revised "history" of the Christ-killers. :rolleyes:
Thats not up for debate. Because, see, it doesn't matter. Why? Let me take a quote from a rather well known piece of literature: once again, using Scripture to prove you wrong.
And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors
If we don't forgive whoever killed Jesus, regardless of who it was, then how can we be forgiven? Answer that.

okay now this is important, do the Jews exist or not?

cuz if they don't me and the boiz gotta start workin on some new scapegoats pronto. we have key idealogical underpinnings that require such a scapegoat and if we go too long without one the whole dang house o'cards could come a tumbling down.

People who are clearly just joking around disgust you?
yeah, nasty little twits debasing my heartfelt hatred with their petty attempts at wit.

yeah, nasty little twits debasing my heartfelt hatred with their petty attempts at wit.
Hatred deserves to be debased, Took.

Racists disgust me, sexists disgust me, gay bashers disgust me, and so on. Anyone who lumps everyone of a particular religion or ethnicity and demeans them all as being inferior or whatever just because they are of that ethnicity is sickening.

Racists disgust me, sexists disgust me, gay bashers disgust me, and so on. Anyone who lumps everyone of a particular religion or ethnicity and demeans them all as being inferior or whatever just because they are of that ethnicity is sickening.
you're just being to darn sensitive, with all those different things disgusting and sickening you, you must be kinda queazy all the time.

Once again ... if we didn't, you wouldn't have a religion. You should be thanking us and sending us money.

I thought you already had all of the money :D

Because
1. Jews say they exist
2. You can't trust the Jews

We can determine:
The Jews do not exist.





I really wish I could remember who first enlightened me to this...

GAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

I'm imploding and turning into a black hole! Damn these logical paradoxes!!!

F*ck you, scumbag.
:sniper:

GAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

I'm imploding and turning into a black hole! Damn these logical paradoxes!!!

F*ck you, scumbag.
:sniper:

you must have absurd faith, and exist in lucid awareness of your own inherent contractions

Ah gee why stop at Jews. How about,

Blacks say they aren't lazy.

All Blacks are lazy,

Therefore you can't trust Blacks.

Or,

Ortega is a Peurto Rican

He was a thief

All Peuto Ricans are thieves.

Or,

All Irish are drunkards.

So the Irish are constantly drunk.

Or just about any racial or ethnic group you want. The premise of this thread is to take a racial insult, "You can't trust Jews" and play it into a racial joke.

you must have absurd faith, and exist in lucid appearness of your own inherent contractions

If I don't exist, who's typing this?

Most logical paradoxes are quite easy to resolve with a large enough ego. ;)

Can someone prove that Europe exists?

Because
1. Jews say they exist
2. You can't trust the Jews

We can determine:
The Jews do not exist.





I really wish I could remember who first enlightened me to this...
Nice way to be a racist pig. And no, I am not a Jew.

Nice way to be a racist pig. And no, I am not a Jew.
so then you do exist, right?

Can someone prove that Europe exists?

well eurasia exists, europe is kind of a cultural construct.

Because
1. Jews say they exist
2. You can't trust the Jews

We can determine:
The Jews do not exist.





I really wish I could remember who first enlightened me to this...

you don't exist...

This was a true/false question I got on a test:'

7. The anwser to this statement is false.
(A)True
(B)False

Figure out that!

simpel. mark both A & B (and if your useing a scantron it should fu*ck the machine up)

This was a true/false question I got on a test:'

7. The anwser to this statement is false.
(A)True
(B)False

Figure out that!
A!
At least I'm pretty sure...

Proof that I do not exist:

1. I'm not in New York.
2. I'm not in Chicago.
3. Therefore, I must be somewhere else.
4. If I'm somewhere else, then I can't be here.

QED

you don't exist...

We've gone over that.

Nice way to be a racist pig. And no, I am not a Jew.

Because "You can't trust the Jews" is a viable logical axiom, right? Look, the point of this thread is to serve as an homage to a website (www.revisionist.nl) which subsequently satirizes revisionist historians. The point of the thread is not to make fun of the Jews, it is to point out that *logically* anything can be proven given one false premise (that IS a logical axiom). Now, logically, you should be able to deduce, via process of elimination, that, since the Jews do claim to exist, and since you have seen Jews, that therefore, the only remaining premise of the proof "Can't Trust Jews," must be false.

^ Wow, you must be obsessed with logic, geometry, and proofs.

The thread really isn't meant to be anti-semitic. It was a logical proof I read somewhere. The same site argued that there was no Moon on the grounds that all scientists agree that there is a Moon. I'm sorry if I offended you. Please try not to interpret a blatantly ridiculous proof as an attack on Judaism.
I accept your apology, but please note beforehand that you were just joking. There are some serious Nazis in NS!

Thanks... and for everyone else... to make this super-clear:


IT'S A JOKE

All Jesuses can walk on water.
There are no Jesuses

So Jesus can walk on water

Perhpas if you revised it saying:

Prove: You can trust the jews
Given: Jews exist

Assume the negative etc.

On the subject of proofs though often times statement a implies b but statement b does not imply a.

jews not existing proves you cant trust them
not trusting them does not prove the dont exist

I point this out because so often this is used in arguments on many subjects.

On the subject of proofs though often times statement a implies b but statement b does not imply a.

FALLACY OF ASSERTING THE CONSEQUENT!!!!!!!

We can determine:
The Jews do not exist.

But to determine they don't exist you must first accept they do exist *you got pwned*

I accept your apology, but please note beforehand that you were just joking. There are some serious Nazis in NS!


Nazis and people who are just plain wacky about Jews. In my life I thought I had been expose to every crazy idea some moron had ever pulled out his ass about Jews, but in the short time I've been coming to this forum I have come across a whole new volume of ass pulls.

Scripture and Tradition both state otherwise- with the Jews as murderers of Christ.

But, oh the History Channel said otherwise. I guess they took a break from Tales of Jewish Lampshades for just enough time to examine the revised "history" of the Christ-killers. :rolleyes:

Of course the Jews killed Christ. He was a Jew. However, their nationality/ethnicity is irrelevant. It's like saying, when somebody gets wrongfully executed in a America "Oh, the Americans killed Bob." If Jesus had been Greek, the Greeks would have killed him, if he had been Egyptian, the Egyptians would have killed him. The point is that his own people killed him. Mankind killed him.

But that's not really the point of this thread, is it.

Ooh! Somebody disprove the existance of the internet

Of course the Jews killed Christ. He was a Jew. However, their nationality/ethnicity is irrelevant. It's like saying, when somebody gets wrongfully executed in a America "Oh, the Americans killed Bob." If Jesus had been Greek, the Greeks would have killed him, if he had been Egyptian, the Egyptians would have killed him. The point is that his own people killed him. Mankind killed him.

But that's not really the point of this thread, is it.

Ooh! Somebody disprove the existance of the internet

People on the internet lie.
People on the internet say the internet exists.
Therefore the internet does not exist.

Of course the Jews killed Christ. He was a Jew. However, their nationality/ethnicity is irrelevant. It's like saying, when somebody gets wrongfully executed in a America "Oh, the Americans killed Bob." If Jesus had been Greek, the Greeks would have killed him, if he had been Egyptian, the Egyptians would have killed him. The point is that his own people killed him. Mankind killed him.

But that's not really the point of this thread, is it.

Ooh! Somebody disprove the existance of the internet


Jews killed Jesus? Did Jews sentence Jesus to death or the Roman Governor Pilate. Did Jews give him 39 lashes, put a crown of thorns on his head, nail him to a cross, and stick a sword in his side so he'd bleed to death faster, or was it Roman solders. The only thing the Jews are guilty of is picking Barrabos over him for clemency.

Maybe they thought the Messiah could handle the situation better.

Nazis and people who are just plain wacky about Jews. In my life I thought I had been expose to every crazy idea some moron had ever pulled out his ass about Jews, but in the short time I've been coming to this forum I have come across a whole new volume of ass pulls.
shall we discuss the space jews and their grey alien slave race, who are attempting to mongrelize all of humanity so that we will be willing vassels for their earthly proxies the human jews? or perhaps the value of tinfoil hats in defense against their incideous mind control rays? or maybe the sinster roll the welsh and to a lesser extent the cornish play in all these extraterrestrial machinations?

People on the internet lie.
People on the internet say the internet exists.
Therefore the internet does not exist.


my head spins..oi *falls on butt*

Of course the Jews killed Christ. He was a Jew.


actually it really was the italians who killed him. that and the diaspora are the only reasons we let those militarily incompetent half moorish fools hang out with us true aryans.

The only thing the Jews are guilty of is picking Barrabos over him for clemency.

Maybe they thought the Messiah could handle the situation better.

i heard that whole crowd picking who was to die was just a myth anyway, they really thumb wrestled and barrabos kicked josh's butt.

Jews are the scum of the earth.

They have been deported from over 80 different countries in the last 4000 years.

They are the reason thousands of Americans have died since 9/11.
The only scum is you.

The only scum is you.
hey, what about me?

Logical Proof of God's lack of existance:
1. God didn't say he existed
2. Man is fallable
3. If man syas god exists, we can't trust man to always be right
4. Therefore, god does not exist.




I can do this for anything.

That only proves that God may or may not exist. Anyway, flaws in your logic there's no connection between "God didn't say he existed" and "man is fallible" a logical connection would be "God never said he existed, but man did. Man being fallible, this proves God doesn't exist." but that still doesn't work.