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Its exists. Christians are the most persecuted group in America today. The government must act.

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Its exists. Christians are the most persecuted group in America today. The government must act. The government is hypocritical Christian - not helping the poor very much, and acting arrogantly. It fuels the fires. A theocracy led by the pope would be much better. The current one, not the ones from thousands of years ago.

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Its exists. Christians are the most persecuted group in America today. The government must act.
They do act. They've come out with all sorts of fictional lines, like, "Saddam poses a real and immediate threat."

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Its exists. Christians are the most persecuted group in America today. The government must act.
Where in the article does it make the statement in bold?

Where in the article does it make the statement in bold?
Its a fact of life. If you can't see it, then you are either not living in America or you are blind.

Where in the article does it make the statement in bold?
You have to read between the lines. ;)

Its a fact of life. If you can't see it, then you are either not living in America or you are blind.
You mean it's true because you say so.

You have to read between the lines. ;)
Sorry, I can't see any text between the lines.

You mean it's true because you say so.
No, I am saying its true because it is. Most Americans can see it. The Democratic party is one of the worst persecutor of Christians in history. That's why the American people overwhelmingly rejected that party in the election and kept Bush in office. Cause the Dems would have banned Christianity.

YOu see, its always been this evil left wing conspiracy against christians.
And the leader of this conspiracy is none other than Hillary Clinton.

How can you be the most predominant group in the country, yet the most persecuted. I particularly feel that the kid should be allowed to pass the stuff out, and the government agrees.

Find an article where someone is persecuted for actually being Christian and then we can talk, otherwise keep it your home and your church.

No, I am saying its true because it is. Most Americans can see it. The Democratic party is one of the worst persecutor of Christians in history. That's why the American people overwhelmingly rejected that party in the election and kept Bush in office. Cause the Dems would have banned Christianity.
This is a spoof, right?

Sorry, I can't see any text between the lines.
Maybe you have your conspiracy goggles on upside down.

How can you be the most predominant group in the country, yet the most persecuted. I particularly feel that the kid should be allowed to pass the stuff out, and the government agrees.

Find an article where someone is persecuted for actually being Christian and then we can talk, otherwise keep it your home and your church.
Excuse me, but in the USA we have a constitutional right to espouse our religious views and proselitize in public places including schools, courthouse, public squares, markets, etc.

No, I am saying its true because it is. Most Americans can see it. The Democratic party is one of the worst persecutor of Christians in history. That's why the American people overwhelmingly rejected that party in the election and kept Bush in office. Cause the Dems would have banned Christianity.

YOu see, its always been this evil left wing conspiracy against christians.
And the leader of this conspiracy is none other than Hillary Clinton.

Are you just spoofing other posters here?

I don't remember your other posts, so I'm not sure if you were always this looney.

This is a spoof, right?
Nope, its fact.
That one of the left's evil goals. That is why the leftists and liberals must be destroyed.

YOu see, its always been this evil left wing conspiracy against christians.
And the leader of this conspiracy is none other than Hillary Clinton.
Yep. Definintely a spoof.

Excuse me, but in the USA we have a constitutional right to espouse our religious views and proselitize in public places including schools, courthouse, public squares, markets, etc.

Sure, as long as it doesn't interfere with the function of said places or require government funding.

Almost everyone on NS will side with the kid on this one, the government did as well.

Nope, its fact.
That one of the left's evil goals. That is why the leftists and liberals must be destroyed.
Do we get to choose the manner of our own death?

Are you just spoofing other posters here?

I don't remember your other posts, so I'm not sure if you were always this looney.
This is not a spoof. There is an evil conspiracy by leftist liberals like Hillary Clinton, Howard Dean, Ted Kennedy, Barbara Streisand, R. Kelly, and Al Gore to ban christianity and persecute christians in America.
Its an evil conspiracy we must guard against. They've been defeated for now. But I know they are still plotting. That's why they want to abolish the constitution. That's part of their evil plans.

You call this persecution? I call it equality, but I guess that would seem like persecution to some. Why can't Christians observethe religious imporatance of their holiday in their churchs and in their own homes like everyone else? And if a Christmas tree does go up, shouldn't a Menorah go up too? I mean, come on, if you're going to let the Christians celebrate in public, why not everyone else?

I love it when Plano's in the news. Ah, Plano, city on a hill. Plano, beacon to the world. Plano, in your bounty, you have blessed us with J. C. Penny and more armless babies than we could ever hope to deserve. You have embodied the dream of Texas far better than any Abilene or any Judas-loving Austin. Plano, Plano, I sing of thee.

Oh, yeah, I couldn't find the part in the article about how Christians are the most persecuted people in the world. So I guess I'll have to keep on living my life under the delusion that blacks, Jews, hispanics, asian/pacific islanders, muslims, Kurds, gypsies, homosexuals, and women of any race or creed suffer greater discrimination and are granted fewer opportunities than the poor, oppressed white christian male.

Sure, as long as it doesn't interfere with the function of said places or require government funding.

Almost everyone on NS will side with the kid on this one, the government did as well.
But the courts, you see, have already ruled that if you fund secular stuff, you must also provide funding to religious groups becuase its unconstitutional to deny funding for people just because they are religious groups.

This is not a spoof. There is an evil conspiracy by leftist liberals like Hillary Clinton, Howard Dean, Ted Kennedy, Barbara Streisand, R. Kelly, and Al Gore to ban christianity and persecute christians in America.
Its an evil conspiracy we must guard against. They've been defeated for now. But I know they are still plotting. That's why they want to abolish the constitution. That's part of their evil plans.

If we don't stop him R. Kelly will urinate on every single christian on the planet!!!!!

I love it when Plano's in the news. Ah, Plano, city on a hill. Plano, beacon to the world. Plano, in your bounty, you have blessed us with J. C. Penny and more armless babies than we could ever hope to deserve. You have embodied the dream of Texas far better than any Abilene or any Judas-loving Austin. Plano, Plano, I sing of thee.

Oh, yeah, I couldn't find the part in the article about how Christians are the most persecuted people in the world. So I guess I'll have to keep on living my life under the delusion that blacks, Jews, hispanics, asian/pacific islanders, muslims, Kurds, gypsies, homosexuals, and women of any race or creed suffer greater discrimination and are granted fewer opportunities than the poor, oppressed white christian male.
Ignorance is bliss, eh.

Do we get to choose the manner of our own death?
NO. Lethal Injection, electric chair, poison chemicals.

Do we get to choose the manner of our own death?
If we do, can I be chased off a big cliff by naked ladies wearing cycling helmets?

But the courts, you see, have already ruled that if you fund secular stuff, you must also provide funding to religious groups becuase its unconstitutional to deny funding for people just because they are religious groups.

Where and when?

You call this persecution? I call it equality, but I guess that would seem like persecution to some. Why can't Christians observethe religious imporatance of their holiday in their churchs and in their own homes like everyone else? And if a Christmas tree does go up, shouldn't a Menorah go up too? I mean, come on, if you're going to let the Christians celebrate in public, why not everyone else?
Christmas trees are not christian symbols. They are secular.
The problem with putting a menorah up is that the cities that allow, refuse to allow crosses, which are christian symbols. And here in lies the persecution against christians.

NO. Lethal Injection, electric chair, poison chemicals.
Okay, I choose electric chair. That way at least I can choose one of 18 different reclining positions.

NO. Lethal Injection, electric chair, poison chemicals.
What? No drawing and quartering? You disappoint me.

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Its exists. Christians are the most persecuted group in America today. The government must act.

There isn't enough anti-Christian persecution. Remember what the Bible said about God visiting the sins of the fathers upon their sons, even unto the seventh generation? Well, it's happening. Christians living today are being made to pay for the crimes of Christians in the past. All that killing in the name of Christ is catching up with you, and you deserve to have visited upon you threefold every bit of misery Christians inflicted on others.

Me, I'm waiting for tickets to see Evangelical Christians thrown to the lions at Madison Square Garden.

Christians the most persecuted?! HA! Don't make me laugh!

Take a look at how conservative Christians treat Wiccans, Muslims, Jews, Atheists and, other groups. Constantly belittling their beliefs, acting superiour, prosletizing and, even going as far as lynching at times. No surprise that there's deep resentment towards you.

Cause the Dems would have banned Christianity.

Any proof?

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Christians are the most persecuted group in America today. The government must act.

Boo Hoo, cry me a river! Christians have done more persecuting of others than any other group in history. Not just through restricting freedom of speech either, but through murder, torture, genocide, and vandalism.

OK, let's not get into that whole who-burned-who-at-the-stake argument. Every major religious group has been at one point both the persecutor and the persecuted.

As for the Democrats banning Christianity, what on Earth are you talking about? I remember hearing during the election that Republicans aired ads in the South saying that Democrats wanted to ban the Bible.
If anyone out there could fill me in, please tell me who said that because if it was not a lie the Democrats would have gotten an even more thorough whooping. No one's talking about banning Christianity.
I mean, the reason why Christians have become the blunt of attempts at political correctness is that they are in such an overwhelming majority in this country. Ironically, the Democrats' committment to secularization is probably what gives religious freedom to everyone, including the Christian conservatives. Also ironic is the fact that while cynicism toward religion has definitely risen, so has fanaticism among the Christian community. (e.g.-the prevalence of the idea that Jesus Christ/Allah/<insert deity(ies) here> is the only way to avoid eternal damnation)
Personally, I think all of your are completely out of your minds.

There isn't enough anti-Christian persecution. Remember what the Bible said about God visiting the sins of the fathers upon their sons, even unto the seventh generation? Well, it's happening. Christians living today are being made to pay for the crimes of Christians in the past. All that killing in the name of Christ is catching up with you, and you deserve to have visited upon you threefold every bit of misery Christians inflicted on others.

Me, I'm waiting for tickets to see Evangelical Christians thrown to the lions at Madison Square Garden.
Jesus said, that a man shall not be held for the crimes of his father or his fathers father on down the line. You are accountable only for your own crimes. Not what one of your ancestors did.

That was a typo. Democrats want to "burn" the Bible, not "ban" it.

This is not a spoof. There is an evil conspiracy by leftist liberals like Hillary Clinton, Howard Dean, Ted Kennedy, Barbara Streisand, R. Kelly, and Al Gore to ban christianity and persecute christians in America.
Its an evil conspiracy we must guard against. They've been defeated for now. But I know they are still plotting. That's why they want to abolish the constitution. That's part of their evil plans.

Weird .... Hillary Clinton, Ted Kennedy, Howard Dean, and Al Gore *are* Christians. You'd think they'd start with themselves.

Boo Hoo, cry me a river! Christians have done more persecuting of others than any other group in history. Not just through restricting freedom of speech either, but through murder, torture, genocide, and vandalism.
That has never occured in America. What happens in Europe don't count cause the Europeans were barbarians regardless what religion they were.

Boo Hoo, cry me a river!
TEMPT NOT OUR LORD, BLASPHEMER!!

That has never occured in America. What happens in Europe don't count cause the Europeans were barbarians regardless what religion they were.
This troll's broader than I thought. I think we'll need a bigger flame.

Where's Nihilistic Beginners? He'd like this guy.

Pehaps it is the only way to achieve societal change.
The french, the american or the bolshevik revolutions did not come without blood.

OK, let's not get into that whole who-burned-who-at-the-stake argument. Every major religious group has been at one point both the persecutor and the persecuted.

As for the Democrats banning Christianity, what on Earth are you talking about? I remember hearing during the election that Republicans aired ads in the South saying that Democrats wanted to ban the Bible.
If anyone out there could fill me in, please tell me who said that because if it was not a lie the Democrats would have gotten an even more thorough whooping. No one's talking about banning Christianity.
I mean, the reason why Christians have become the blunt of attempts at political correctness is that they are in such an overwhelming majority in this country. Ironically, the Democrats' committment to secularization is probably what gives religious freedom to everyone, including the Christian conservatives. Also ironic is the fact that while cynicism toward religion has definitely risen, so has fanaticism among the Christian community. (e.g.-the prevalence of the idea that Jesus Christ/Allah/<insert deity(ies) here> is the only way to avoid eternal damnation)
Personally, I think all of your are completely out of your minds.

Yes that correct, the Dems do want to ban the bible. Hillary Clinton wrote in one of her books that parents who take their children to church or read the Bible to them, should be banned for child abuse.
What gives religious freedom is not the Dems who have already made themselves opposed to it. Nay, it is the Republicans in Congress and the justices on the Supreme Court who were put in place by God to protect the religious freedom from wackos like the antichristian democrats.

That was a typo. Democrats want to "burn" the Bible, not "ban" it.

I prefer to eat them, marinated in a first born baby's blood.

Pehaps it is the only way to achieve societal change.
The french, the american or the bolshevik revolutions did not come without blood.
I only wish you could say the same about The Matrix Revolutions.

The French revolution was a good idea at first, but then it turned into a large, bloody, rather retarded affair.

They just ended up making Napolean emperor anyway.

Weird .... Hillary Clinton, Ted Kennedy, Howard Dean, and Al Gore *are* Christians. You'd think they'd start with themselves.
NO they are not. You cannot be a democrat and a christian. You cannot be for abortion and gay rights and still be a christian. You cannot promote banning all signs of christianity from public places and still be a christian. They are not christians.

Jesus said, that a man shall not be held for the crimes of his father or his fathers father on down the line. You are accountable only for your own crimes. Not what one of your ancestors did.

Is this in the Gospel of Jesus? Oh, wait, there is no Gospel According to Jesus in the Bible, just the Gospel according to a bunch of other guys. As far as I'm concerned, we don't really know what that carpenter from Nazareth actually said. And, quite frankly, if Jesus made a new covenant between God and man then why the fuck is the Old Testament still in the Bible?

NO they are not. You cannot be a democrat and a christian. You cannot be for abortion and gay rights and still be a christian. You cannot promote banning all signs of christianity from public places and still be a christian. They are not christians.

So Jesus wasn't a Christian ?
Oh, you're right. He was a Jew.

The French revolution was a good idea at first, but then it turned into a large, bloody, rather retarded affair.

They just ended up making Napolean emperor anyway.
Whatever, but the POINT is that in order for society to advance sometimes old ideas have to be eliminated the hard way.

NO they are not. You cannot be a democrat and a christian. You cannot be for abortion and gay rights and still be a christian. You cannot promote banning all signs of christianity from public places and still be a christian. They are not christians.
What about the death penalty?

So Jesus wasn't a Christian ?
Oh, you're right. He was a Jew.
Jesus is against abortions, he is against gays, he is against immoral people like the democrats.

NO they are not. You cannot be a democrat and a christian. You cannot be for abortion and gay rights and still be a christian. You cannot promote banning all signs of christianity from public places and still be a christian. They are not christians.

Jesus called for people to embrace everyone, even the sinners. He also preached against public displays of worship.

As for abortion, the bible is pretty silent on that one.

What about the death penalty?
God gave us the death penalty to punish murderers and rapists and child molestors.

Is this in the Gospel of Jesus? Oh, wait, there is no Gospel According to Jesus in the Bible, just the Gospel according to a bunch of other guys. As far as I'm concerned, we don't really know what that carpenter from Nazareth actually said. And, quite frankly, if Jesus made a new covenant between God and man then why the fuck is the Old Testament still in the Bible?

Dear Serious Zero: The Old Testament explains the history prophies before the coming of Jesus Christ. As for the apostles writing about what Jesus said and did, if you do not believe them, then do not believe anything you hear from any person about any thing. People have recorded history since they began to speak. First, events were carried on in verbal manners. One method to make that easier to pass on was by singing or in poetry.

In any event, man is reconciled for his sins when he accepts Jesus as his Savior, repents and attempts to sin no more.

Jesus called for people to embrace everyone, even the sinners. He also preached against public displays of worship.

As for abortion, the bible is pretty silent on that one.
Jesus said that Gays, and other antichristians will never make it into heaven. THey will all go to hell. Matthew and revelation.

By the way, I am a Democrat and a Christian. If there is any person who doubts the ability to be both, please restate your claim.

Jesus said that Gays, and other antichristians will never make it into heaven. THey will all go to hell. Matthew and revelation.

But he preached that we should accept them. Judgement is the Lord's.

I prefer to eat them, marinated in a first born baby's blood.

I don't marinate them. It makes the pages too wet and then they're no good for rolling an after-dinner blunt.

God gave us the death penalty to punish murderers and rapists and child molestors.
Oh sorry. I must have misread that bit. I thought it said, "Thou shalt not kill." But it must have said "Thou shalt not kill, unless they've been very naughty indeed."

God gave us the death penalty to punish murderers and rapists and child molestors.
And heritics right ;)

Jesus said that Gays, and other antichristians will never make it into heaven. THey will all go to hell. Matthew and revelation.

Actually, all people who accept Jesus as their Savior will go to Heaven. No person is without sin, whether they are homosexual or heterosexual. As for being gay, why destroy a good word. Gay means happy and light-spirited. The same goes for symbols. The rainbow is a sign of God's promise to not destroy the world by flood again.

But he preached that we should accept them. Judgement is the Lord's.
If a man lives immorally, do not keep company with him. Romans.

Jesus said that Gays, and other antichristians will never make it into heaven. THey will all go to hell. Matthew and revelation.

So Jesus must have been one of those self-loathing gays?

God gave us the death penalty to punish murderers and rapists and child molestors.

Akshuly the only person the Bible would have had executed was the murderer. The rapist and child molester would end up getting married (unless the victim was already married in which case the relevant issue is adultery and both perpetrator and victim would be rubbed out).

NO they are not. You cannot be a democrat and a christian. You cannot be for abortion and gay rights and still be a christian. You cannot promote banning all signs of christianity from public places and still be a christian. They are not christians.

So I've thumbed through my Big Book of Jesus Quotes and I'm having some trouble here ...

1. Quote Jesus actually saying abortion is murder.
2. Quote Jesus actually saying that homosexuality is wrong.
3. Quote Jesus actually saying that Christians should place their signs and banners of faith for all to see.

I'll help ...

1. He didn't, Paul did.
2. He didn't, Paul did.
3. He didn't, Paul did. Matter of fact, it seems to me that Jesus railed against those who made huge public shows of their faith.

So who's really more Christian? The one who follows Jesus, or the one who follows Paul?

Actually, all people who accept Jesus as their Savior will go to Heaven. No person is without sin, whether they are homosexual or heterosexual. As for being gay, why destroy a good word. Gay means happy and light-spirited. The same goes for symbols. The rainbow is a sign of God's promise to not destroy the world by flood again.
No. Not everyone who claims to accept Jesus will go to heaven. ONly those who prove it by living proper moral lives in accordance with the laws of God.

Jesus is against abortions, he is against gays, he is against immoral people like the democrats.

Really ? Talked to him recently about this ?
As the darkskinned/black son of a poor palestinian mother, raised by a carpenter, preaching equality for all and persued by rich and powerfull people.. he seems more like a sterotype Democrat to me.

*likes this troll* :p

That has never occured in America. What happens in Europe don't count cause the Europeans were barbarians regardless what religion they were.

Shockingly enough, the troll is factually incorrect, too. The European barbarians didn't stop being barbaric on landing in America. As something of a hotbed of various bug-eyed sects, pre-Revolutionary America was also a hotbed of religious persecution, particularly against Catholics, but anyone whose interpretations of some abstruse piece of theology were ever so slightly different from the immediate majority's had a fairly unhappy time of it too.

The religious persecutions continued into the 19th century, again mostly on the Catholics, but the Mormons got it in the neck too (although one might argue that, given the circumstances, they had it coming). And let's not forget the genocidal outcome of the religiously-inspired political doctrine of "manifest destiny".

Christians should embrace persecution, anyway. They always have in the past. Your blood is semen, remember? Although I suppose it's a bit hard to claim martyrdom because you didn't get a federal grant for your healing-for-dollars ministry.

No, I am saying its true because it is. Most Americans can see it. The Democratic party is one of the worst persecutor of Christians in history. That's why the American people overwhelmingly rejected that party in the election and kept Bush in office. Cause the Dems would have banned Christianity.

and even with bush in power its still under threat? fuck the forces of evilmust be well ahead over there. but i think its more likely to be christians doing the banning of christmas. considering that:
A) the overwhelming majority of your country is christian, and
B) no one except christians care enough about christmas to bother.

the thing is that christians still see their religion as a dangerous peice of radical thought. (yeah, don't tell anyone, but... be really nice, god says so) so they think that practising it might actually cause offence. DUDES WE'RE NOT LIVING IN ROMAN TIMES!!! most of my muslim mates just fucking laugh at idiot christian victims of the dread PC. what kind of bullshit is it where people have to campaign to practise commercialism? hmmmm? but since 90% of elected officials in the USA are christians you dumb stick worshipping bastards are silencing yourselves. for shame. Thats like the black guys who fought for slavery. except they were forced to and you supposedly have free will.

If a man lives immorally, do not keep company with him. Romans.

Word of Paul, not Jesus.

Also, it doesn't say anything about persecuting them.

Romans 4:5
But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Really ? Talked to him recently about this ?
As the darkskinned/black son of a poor palestinian mother, raised by a carpenter, preaching equality for all and persued by rich and powerfull people.. he seems more like a sterotype Democrat to me.

*likes this troll* :p
Yes I did. I talk to him everyday.

There is a lot of nonsense being written here. In any event, have fun people. I will use my time for better purposes.

Yes I did. I talk to him everyday.

Does he answer?

Yes I did. I talk to him everyday.

mate, are you sure thats him. cos for a while i though i was too. then he started telling me stuff about how they were always listening in to my conversations. he told me how the guy up stairs is a zionist and that my tv has a camera in the screen that watches me and broadcasts my tomfoolery to anopther nation. dude, whatever you do, don'tr tell the doctors about that cos they'll lock you up. fo real

There is a lot of nonsense being written here. In any event, have fun people. I will use my time for better purposes.

Don't go! You're one of the good eggs!

Does he answer?
yes he does. I talked to him just an hour ago.

mate, are you sure thats him. cos for a while i though i was too. then he started telling me stuff about how they were always listening in to my conversations. he told me how the guy up stairs is a zionist and that my tv has a camera in the screen that watches me and broadcasts my tomfoolery to anopther nation. dude, whatever you do, don'tr tell the doctors about that cos they'll lock you up. fo real
but he was just here an hour ago.

yes he does. I talked to him just an hour ago.

Next time you talk to him, ask him what happened to Pudding Pops.

I loved those things.

yes he does. I talked to him just an hour ago.

Then why hasn't he reminded you that it was Paul, not himself, that spoke of death sentences and persecution and general ugliness to non-Christians?

I would imagine that would be first on his list of things to take care of.

Next time you talk to him, ask him what happened to Pudding Pops.

I loved those things.
What happened to pudding pops? what do you mean what happened to pudding pops? We must launch a holy war forthwith to free the pudding pops.

Then why hasn't he reminded you that it was Paul, not himself, that spoke of death sentences and persecution and general ugliness to non-Christians?

I would imagine that would be first on his list of things to take care of.
Paul spoke cause it was Jesus who told it.

What happened to pudding pops? what do you mean what happened to pudding pops? We must launch a holy war forthwith to free the pudding pops.

They have disappeared from sight.

I suspect that they are being held as political prisoners and the Red Cross has not been alerted.

They have disappeared from sight.

I suspect that they are being held as political prisoners and the Red Cross has not been alerted.
That's very presumptuous. Perhaps they'd prefer the Red Crescent to help them.

They have disappeared from sight.

I suspect that they are being held as political prisoners and the Red Cross has not been alerted.
Where are they being held? We must nuke the natioin that is holding them prisoner.

Where are they being held? We must nuke the natioin that is holding them prisoner.

Bad idea, all of the pops that survived the initial blast would be inedible due to the resulting fallout.

Bad idea, all of the pops that survived the initial blast would be inedible due to the resulting fallout.
THen we will blitzkrieg in like we did in Desert Storm.

:rolleyes:

OK, let's get this straight. First of all, I don't think Whittier is just talking about Christain persecution in the States, but also around the world. In Sudan, Christians are hanged in the name of the supposedly "peaceful" religion called Islam. During the Communist years of Russia many Christians were thrown in jail for simply professing their faith in public. Today, still Christians are persecuted in Communist China in ways unimaginable. And Europe, though it once was Christendom, has now more atheists and agnostics (and an ever growing population of muslims) than any other continent, who are actually selling old beautiful monestaries and cathedrals (true works of architecture and art) to muslims! And they are transforming them to mosques!!! Now those are just a few countries named that have Christian persecution. Think of all the Muslim countries: Khazakistan, Iran, Iraq, Egypt, India, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, etc. In those countries, to believe any other religion other than Islam (or Buddhism for India) is a crime.

Now I won't go as far as to say the Democrats want to ban Christianity, but they sure as hell want to suppress it, just like how they suppress almost all good and truthful things. I don't know who said the Democrats before mentioned are Christian, but if that were true you wouldn't see Democrats supporting abortion, gay-rights, abolition of death penalty, evolution theory, university/college quotas, etc.

Example: Al Gore once said in the 2000 election that his favorite Bible verse was John 16:3. Now he meant to say the all too famous John 3:16, but isn't funny how God works? John 16:3 is when Jesus actually talks about the world's hatred for Him and His people. Amazing! Exactly the subject we're talking about! It says, and I quote:

"People will do these things to you because they have not known either the Father or me." Today's English Version

Seems too coincidental if you ask me that Al Gore would reference that verse for himself. I think that's a little of God's humor coming out.

Oh and Vittos Ordination, anyone who sheds innocent blood is a murderer. So yes abortion is covered in the Bible. Why don't you read the part in the Gospels when Jesus was born. You may find it interesting that infanticide occurs before Jesus' birth. Perfect read for the Christmas season.

I'm with you on this one Whittier. ;)

those poor poor christian with their 80% OF THE POPULATION IN THE U.S

considering many christians try to impose their beliefs on others is it any wonder why people get pissed?

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Its exists. Christians are the most persecuted group in America today. The government must act.

LMFAO - you think THAT'S persecution? You must feel your rights are being thwarted if you can't find hot cross buns at Easter. Your sense of 'persecution' is entirely laughable.

A glance at the story led me to this:

Titled "The Legend of the Candy Cane," it said the candy was shaped in a J for Jesus and bore a red stripe "to represent the blood Christ shed for the sins of the world."

Ok, fine, yes it violates various laws and school policies and whatnot, but I honestly think the judge should smack the whole family with a gavel for "gross stupidity".

For those who need to know: Legend has it that in 1670, the choirmaster at the Cologne Cathedral in Germany handed out sugar sticks among his young singers to keep them quiet during the long Living Creche ceremony. In honor of the occasion, he had the candies bent into shepherds' crooks.

In short, if they were bent as Js for Jesus, they would be called "Candy Js".

Yeah, suck my sweet Christ cane. You like that, dontcha? Say thank you.

Yeah, suck my sweet Christ cane. You like that, dontcha? Say thank you.

Save some for spring, and you can stick one between my hot cross buns...

Right, so Christians are the most oppressed people in America, despite being the majority, and despite Christian fundamentalists ruling the country. :rolleyes:

No, I am saying its true because it is. Most Americans can see it. The Democratic party is one of the worst persecutor of Christians in history. That's why the American people overwhelmingly rejected that party in the election and kept Bush in office. Cause the Dems would have banned Christianity.
No exaggerations, huh? The Dems are surely on a par with the medieval Turks who enslaved and tortured Christians, right? I don't consider arguing about Christmas displays to be "oppression".

The American people didn't "overwhelmingly" reject them. Kerry got only 3% of the vote less than Bush. I think a better phrase would be, that the American people barely endorsed the Republicans.

The Dems can't ban Christianity, because most of their members are Christians, as were their presidential and veep candidates this year.

YOu see, its always been this evil left wing conspiracy against christians.
And the leader of this conspiracy is none other than Hillary Clinton.
Yes, TEH VAST LEFT-WING CONSPIRACY!!!

Its a fact of life. If you can't see it, then you are either not living in America or you are blind.


You're an outright liar.

NO they are not. You cannot be a democrat and a christian. You cannot be for abortion and gay rights and still be a christian.
Republicans don't own Christianity. I could equally say you can't be a Republican and a Christian, because the Reps don't give a shit about the poor. Actually, you can. It's called "not being a religious aithoritarian". According to your logic most Europeans are "fake Christians".

Republicans don't own Christianity. I could equally say you can't be a Republican and a Christian, because the Reps don't give a shit about the poor. Actually, you can. It's called "not being a religious aithoritarian". According to your logic most Europeans are "fake Christians".
I just hope you understand that this is a joke thread :p (just figured I would have to say it cause you are fighting awfull hard)

Right, so Christians are the most oppressed people in America, despite being the majority, and despite Christian fundamentalists ruling the country. :rolleyes:


No exaggerations, huh? The Dems are surely on a par with the medieval Turks who enslaved and tortured Christians, right? I don't consider arguing about Christmas displays to be "oppression".

The American people didn't "overwhelmingly" reject them. Kerry got only 3% of the vote less than Bush. I think a better phrase would be, that the American people barely endorsed the Republicans.

The Dems can't ban Christianity, because most of their members are Christians, as were their presidential and veep candidates this year.


Yes, TEH VAST LEFT-WING CONSPIRACY!!!
THere are no christians in the democratic party.

Republicans don't own Christianity. I could equally say you can't be a Republican and a Christian, because the Reps don't give a shit about the poor. Actually, you can. It's called "not being a religious aithoritarian". According to your logic most Europeans are "fake Christians".
They are, as are most Americans.

God gave us the death penalty to punish murderers and rapists and child molestors.
Jesus said that Gays, and other antichristians will never make it into heaven. THey will all go to hell.
Let me guess, you're one of those "Christians" who has never actually read the Bible?

In the book, Jesus said that rich people can't get into heaven.

Let me guess, you're one of those "Christians" who has never actually read the Bible?

In the book, Jesus said that rich people can't get into heaven.
You are twisting his words. He said it would be difficult for them. Not that they would never get into heaven.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6735644/

Its exists. Christians are the most persecuted group in America today. The government must act.


Certainly you're being sarcastic, right?

Christians are "the most persecuted group in America" because they can't put up the Xmas decorations they want?

How about all those Muslims who get suspected of being terrorists for no other reason than their faith?How about those gays who GET BEATEN TO DEATH AND HANGED ON A FENCE for no other reason than their sexual orientation?


Well, geez, I guess you're right. They're only fags and terrorists after all, it's not like they're REALLY persecuted, is it? They had it coming, after all...

I just hope you understand that this is a joke thread :p (just figured I would have to say it cause you are fighting awfull hard)
You think this is "fighting awfull hard", biatch?

You are twisting his words. He said it would be difficult for them. Not that they would never get into heaven.

He never said anything about gays, though. That stuff about gays is all in the Ancient Testament, and it's pretty contested stuff, or so I hear. What with the different translations, and the "homosexuality as practiced in pagan rituals" and stuff.

I just read the article, and JESUS CHRIST what is wrong with you? Not being able to preach christianity is a threat to your religion? So not being able to go tell schoolkids to worship satan is a threat to someone else's religion. Not being able to go to school and teach students about the Mother and the Horned God is a threat to my religion. I hear all these catholics and christians whining about everything, and I want to :headbang: . SUCK IT UP!!! You SOB's have had the religious right to do almost anything you want for too long. Damn heathenistic christians, worshiping a nonexsistant entity. They all need a good dose of reality. Oppresion my ass.


THere are no christians in the democratic party.
Proof?

Whiney christians: :eek: :mp5: <-me, mwahahahaha!

By the way, Hail Saetan!

He never said anything about gays, though. That stuff about gays is all in the Ancient Testament, and it's pretty contested stuff, or so I hear. What with the different translations, and the "homosexuality as practiced in pagan rituals" and stuff.
Its in the new testament.

Originally Posted by Skalador
He never said anything about gays, though. That stuff about gays is all in the Ancient Testament, and it's pretty contested stuff, or so I hear. What with the different translations, and the "homosexuality as practiced in pagan rituals" and stuff.

Just so everyone knows, homosexuality is not practiced in pagan rituals. It is just another fallacy spouted by the christians to drive people away from paganism, one lie among many.

Just so everyone knows, homosexuality is not practiced in pagan rituals. It is just another fallacy spouted by the christians to drive people away from paganism, one lie among many.
Satan, you father of lies, stop twisting the truth.

LMFAO! I just read all these posts and this thread is hilarious. Whittier this is one of the best joke threads i've ever seen! I don't even think fundamentalist christians are as crazy as you're posting like....
unless.....

*rips mask off whittiers face*
Dubya! I knew it! And you would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for those meddling liberals!

Originally posted by Terra Romani
*rips mask off whittiers face*
Dubya! I knew it! And you would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for those meddling liberals!

:eek:
Holy Crap!! We've got the leader of the free(if you do as he says) world among us?!?! For a Christian that has to be almost as good as Jesus Himself!

THere are no christians in the democratic party.

Now that is what my granddad would call a whopper!

Proof please!

Hmmm the Christians are the most persecurted group in America?

Wow yet I have seen a few mangers on people lawns and :eek: no democrats or the ACLU members trying to firebomb the setups.

Whittier/Defensor: Nice try but no cigar....

Someone just posted that Hillary Clinton said in a recent book that parents who take their children to church and read them the bible are abusing them.

Interesting idea, and although I haven't read the book, I have serious doubts. I mean, that would have found much more publicity than it has, the liberally-biased media aside.

And, besides, even if it was true, screw Hillary.

And please, people, stop arguing about Biblical interpretations. Who cares? Really? It's just a book, and one that you have to be silly and facile to take literally. Argue smart.

Someone just posted that Hillary Clinton said in a recent book that parents who take their children to church and read them the bible are abusing them.

Interesting idea, and although I haven't read the book, I have serious doubts. I mean, that would have found much more publicity than it has, the liberally-biased media aside.

And, besides, even if it was true, screw Hillary.

And please, people, stop arguing about Biblical interpretations. Who cares? Really? It's just a book, and one that you have to be silly and facile to take literally. Argue smart.

Well the illeged Hillary would be right if you are mocking the children with Abraham and son Isiah:
Be good or I'll take you to the wilderness and offer you up.

But the bible is more than just a book, but yeah people have misinterpreted it alot.

Any word on those pudding pops, whittier?

Any word on those pudding pops, whittier?


YUM!

As long as Christians aren't tossing their propaganda on public property, I could care less. If they put a manger on their lawn, no one should have the right to send them to court.

Christmas trees aren't even Christian, it is a stolen tradition, so the pagans are being persecuted. On public property, I like their decision with the Hanukah Menorah being there as well.

In fact, it should be the same regarding any religious display, any religious group that wants to place something on public property already possessing one needs to be accomadated, so it's all or nothing. If my local library wants to put up a little Christmas tree, they're gonna need to put up a Hanukah bush the moment a Jew appeals etc.

A kid giving candy canes shouldn't be sent to court, at the worst he should be grounded by his parents for being an evangelist idiot. If the teacher did, then yes, since they are a government worker and are supposed to be secular.

Those idiots who think they should be allowed to preach should be silenced. Just because you believe in God and I don't gives you no right to preach to me, even if you aren't a good Christian by not doing so.

As for Christianity being the most persecuted. It's because they are the most evangelical, people are fed up with the constant invasion of their rights by these religious nut jobs. If they all shut up, Christian persecution would decrease rapidly. As it is, it's because of the evangelists constant attempts to convert Atheists and other religious groups that these people have it engrained into their mind that everything the Christians do is an attempt to enforce their beliefs.

Any word on those pudding pops, whittier?
I believe they are being held hostage by the french. We must prepare a crusade to invade france and free the pudding pops in the name of Jesus.

As long as Christians aren't tossing their propaganda on public property, I could care less. If they put a manger on their lawn, no one should have the right to send them to court.

Christmas trees aren't even Christian, it is a stolen tradition, so the pagans are being persecuted. On public property, I like their decision with the Hanukah Menorah being there as well.

In fact, it should be the same regarding any religious display, any religious group that wants to place something on public property already possessing one needs to be accomadated, so it's all or nothing. If my local library wants to put up a little Christmas tree, they're gonna need to put up a Hanukah bush the moment a Jew appeals etc.

A kid giving candy canes shouldn't be sent to court, at the worst he should be grounded by his parents for being an evangelist idiot. If the teacher did, then yes, since they are a government worker and are supposed to be secular.

Those idiots who think they should be allowed to preach should be silenced. Just because you believe in God and I don't gives you no right to preach to me, even if you aren't a good Christian by not doing so.

As for Christianity being the most persecuted. It's because they are the most evangelical, people are fed up with the constant invasion of their rights by these religious nut jobs. If they all shut up, Christian persecution would decrease rapidly. As it is, it's because of the evangelists constant attempts to convert Atheists and other religious groups that these people have it engrained into their mind that everything the Christians do is an attempt to enforce their beliefs.

In America we have a right to preach on public property. Its called the first amendment. Freedom to worship as we see fit. and freedom of speech.
Both take precedence over your desire to not hear it, which of course is in no way a right. If you don't like it, stay in your house or move to another nation, perhaps Europe. Public prayers are illegal there.

In America we have a right to preach on public property.

Technically yes and no. If you're going to use a public forum, then most cities require you to have the proper permits. There are also nuisance laws in place so that you can't scream through a bullhorn at, say, a crowded restaurant.

While I do have the right not to listen, I also have the right not to be harrassed in the course of my normal everyday life. Just because I am walking to the grocers doesn't give you the right to preach to me. If I tell you to get away from me and you don't, it's called harrassment, and is a Class B Misdemeanor in TX.

Your rights end where mine begins.

Technically yes and no. If you're going to use a public forum, then most cities require you to have the proper permits. There are also nuisance laws in place so that you can't scream through a bullhorn at, say, a crowded restaurant.

While I do have the right not to listen, I also have the right not to be harrassed in the course of my normal everyday life. Just because I am walking to the grocers doesn't give you the right to preach to me. If I tell you to get away from me and you don't, it's called harrassment, and is a Class B Misdemeanor in TX.

Your rights end where mine begins.
Permits can't be forced on religious groups in America.
Christian groups would not use a bullhorn, they'd just shout at the top of their lungs. Nothing the city can do about it.
If you don't like something a person in front of the store is saying, you can go around him. You don't have the right to silence him with threats. It is you who must walk around him. If he is standing in one spot, and you walk up to him, and accuse him of harrassment, the courts will throw it out, because there will be witnesses that you went up to him to antagonize him.
This I know for a fact cause I've tested it and won.

Permits can't be forced on religious groups in America.

It happens all the time. You can't build a church wherever you want it, you know. It has to be up to construction standards, building codes, and be within city zoning parameters. If you want to use a public venue, you have to get the permit. Call your city zoning board or city secretary for more information. Just because you're preaching doesn't give you carte blanche.

Christian groups would not use a bullhorn, they'd just shout at the top of their lungs. Nothing the city can do about it.

You'd be surprised what a city can do if one of their citizen's civil liberties are being ignored.

If you don't like something a person in front of the store is saying, you can go around him. You don't have the right to silence him with threats. It is you who must walk around him. If he is standing in one spot, and you walk up to him, and accuse him of harrassment, the courts will throw it out, because there will be witnesses that you went up to him to antagonize him.

I didn't say anything about threats or approaching someone. However, that bit is moot anyway as grocers are privately owned places and if a person wants to preach at the entrance to a business, they have to get permission from the owner.

I'll also almost bet you 100% that if the preacher in question were barring people entrance to the store and, thus, interfering with their business, the preacher would get a nice police escort off the property. Interestingly enough, it falls under the same laws against vagrancy and panhandling.

The only time it's ever been an issue with me was when some prayer group decided they needed to hold a prayer vigil in my front lawn because they found out I'm not Christian. I asked them to leave, they didn't, so I had them arrested. Trespassing is still a crime ... even if you're there to preach.

As for street preachers, as long as they don't interfere with my day to day business, I have no problems with them. Most people don't. The problem comes in if they get in my face or harass my children.

In America we have a right to preach on public property. Its called the first amendment. Freedom to worship as we see fit. and freedom of speech.
Both take precedence over your desire to not hear it, which of course is in no way a right. If you don't like it, stay in your house or move to another nation, perhaps Europe. Public prayers are illegal there.
Right to preach and freedom of worship are contradictory. That's what I think is wrong here, the fact that they are allowed to preach to me, which infringes on my right to worship.

I don't care if he is standing still, his voice carries. He is harassing me, whether it be face to face or from afar, the fact remains.

Permits can't be forced on religious groups in America.

sure they can. religious groups are like any other groups: they must abide by the laws.


Christian groups would not use a bullhorn, they'd just shout at the top of their lungs. Nothing the city can do about it.

wrong again. the same laws about noise level and disturbing the peace apply to religious persons. just because you are howling about Jesus doesn't give you the right to be more disruptive than somebody howling about the invisible bugs crawling over their skin.


If you don't like something a person in front of the store is saying, you can go around him. You don't have the right to silence him with threats. It is you who must walk around him. If he is standing in one spot, and you walk up to him, and accuse him of harrassment, the courts will throw it out, because there will be witnesses that you went up to him to antagonize him.

that's true. however, if the person is standing on the corner shouting at the top of their lungs, the police may or may not order them to pipe the hell down, depending on where they are doing it and what the zoning codes are. that person does not have the right to bitch if the police do this, because they are simply being expected to abide the same laws as everybody else.


This I know for a fact cause I've tested it and won.
aren't you a Christian, though?

Matthew 6:5 - 7

5. And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites [are]: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen [do]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

i guess that makes you a heathen and a hypocrite, according to your holy book :).

State money put towards supporting a religious institution.

See you in the stone age, chaps.

People should have a freedom to worship while they are not wasting the time and money of taxpayers. It is a simple premise, one assailable only through the tautology of one's own religion.

Its a fact of life. If you can't see it, then you are either not living in America or you are blind.

It must be pretty terrible over there, what with an orthodox muslim in power, people constitutional ammendments largely on the basis of the Koran and having so many fundamentalist muslims on the television. You have my deepest sympathy.

Do people still think Whittier-'s being serious? Even after the "yes, I talk to God every day" bit?

Do people still think Whittier-'s being serious? Even after the "yes, I talk to God every day" bit?
I was wondering the same thing :p :fluffle:

Jesus said, that a man shall not be held for the crimes of his father or his fathers father on down the line. You are accountable only for your own crimes. Not what one of your ancestors did.

What about all that original sin business then, hmmm?

If you don't like it, stay in your house or move to another nation, perhaps Europe. Public prayers are illegal there.

Europe is a nation, now? Mitterand will be pleased.

Oh, and I'd be very interested to see your source which asserts that public prayer is illegal throughout Europe.

Ok I think we are just going to have to keep saying it … he is SPOOFING YOU! Don’t argue with him lol not unless you want to

Cause he sure as hell isn’t serious

Ok I think we are just going to have to keep saying it … he is SPOOFING YOU! Don’t argue with him lol not unless you want to

Cause he sure as hell isn’t serious
*shouts* THEY CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!

Dear Serious Zero: The Old Testament explains the history prophies before the coming of Jesus Christ. As for the apostles writing about what Jesus said and did, if you do not believe them, then do not believe anything you hear from any person about any thing. People have recorded history since they began to speak. First, events were carried on in verbal manners. One method to make that easier to pass on was by singing or in poetry.

In any event, man is reconciled for his sins when he accepts Jesus as his Savior, repents and attempts to sin no more.

If the histories in the gospels are all "true" history why are there so many contradicions in them?

*shouts* THEY CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!
Should I try :fluffle: them all?

Should I try :fluffle: them all?
No, you'll just have to SHOUT LOUDER

No, you'll just have to SHOUT LOUDER
Damn ... I am more the gentle gian type I dont shout well :)

Damn ... I am more the gentle gian type I dont shout well :)
Okay, here, use this klaxon.

We're meeting at Waffle House Sunday morning at 8 for breakfast then we're going around the local churches to kill Xtians. :mp5:

Okay, here, use this klaxon.
How about air raid siren? I made one of thoes once its got to be around here somewhere

http://www.airraidsirens.com/mp3/carterhand.mp3

NO they are not. You cannot be a democrat and a christian. You cannot be for abortion and gay rights and still be a christian. You cannot promote banning all signs of christianity from public places and still be a christian. They are not christians.

Please do cite biblical sources (outside of the Mosaic Laws, as per St Pauls Epistle to the Galatians) that state that:

1) allowing abortion is not Christian (as in categorical statement, not poetic intimation)
2) allowing homosexuals equal rights is not Christian (I want some reference to political treatment)
3) Christians must publically procliam their faith

How about air raid siren? I made one of thoes once its got to be around here somewhere

http://www.airraidsirens.com/mp3/carterhand.mp3
I'm sure that works just fine (damn crap work computer with no speakers, but I've made a slight adjustment. Hope that's okay.

Lol nice … keep yelling … don’t think stripe-lovers gets it yet

Lol nice … keep yelling … don’t think stripe-lovers gets it yet

Meh, I make it a principle never to underestimate the lunacy of other people's views.

Besides, isn't this like the 20th thread Whittier has made on this kind of subject since his re-incarnation?

I believe the reason for this is because we have seen certainly in recent years Christians trying to put their hand in law making and government etc. Where it truly does not belong.

I live in Canada as you know and both Canada and the US is made up of very diverse cultures from around the world. There are so many religions that are followed in our two countries that even the perception that Christians have taken over the law making process or government makes us who believe in secular rule or democracy do a double take.

I think the best answer of course is to keep your religion to yourself and in your houses of worship. Stop trying to influence policy in laws & government and you'd be surprised how much no one would care any more.

I don't care what people wish to believe, I only have a problem with it when they try to influence my government with policy that could directly affect my life. Religion and government have no place in the same sentence.

Ok I think we are just going to have to keep saying it … he is SPOOFING YOU! Don’t argue with him lol not unless you want to

Cause he sure as hell isn’t serious

Yes yes ... I am aware of that. However, it keeps me on my toes. There are people - and a scarey lot of them - who do actually believe that sort of stuff, though, and it's good to keep in practice.

Yes yes ... I am aware of that. However, it keeps me on my toes. There are people - and a scarey lot of them - who do actually believe that sort of stuff, though, and it's good to keep in practice.
Personally I don’t see it as practice as he is going to spout nonsensical statements back that are calculated to piss you off rather then him expressing his point of view (even if you find it ignorant probably better flow or more consistent)

Too fake for me to actually learn from duking it out

Meh, I make it a principle never to underestimate the lunacy of other people's views.

Besides, isn't this like the 20th thread Whittier has made on this kind of subject since his re-incarnation?
I assume you didn't see his part in my parody yesterday then: "Antichristian Persecution in Macclesfield", where antichristians were being chopped up and sold under the counter by a local butcher?

I'm pretty sure he wasn't being serious then.

Apparently these guys know all too well what will get our feathers ruffled.

Apparently these guys know all too well what will get our feathers ruffled.
I always find these trolls the most amusing, though. It's just the way that within three pages you can start being completely ridiculous, and still loads of people think you're genuine, because they never look past page one.

No, I am saying its true because it is. Most Americans can see it. The Democratic party is one of the worst persecutor of Christians in history. That's why the American people overwhelmingly rejected that party in the election and kept Bush in office. Cause the Dems would have banned Christianity.

That must be why the bulk of politicians, Democratic or otherwise, are Christian.

Nobody would have banned Christianity. Sure, there's a wave of anti-Christian sentiment going around, and that's not good, but people like Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson aren't helping.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6735644/

Its exists. Christians are the most persecuted group in America today. The government must act.

First of all, we could have all kinds of discussions about just what exactly is Christian about nativity scenes, however, let's assume they are Christian.

It may be that some communities have gone overboard in their attempt to avoid mixing Church and state. But, most persecuted? Because you have been prevented from putting a plastic Jesus in a pile of hay in some backwater town? Are you kidding!

Do Christians want to change places with American Muslims? How about Native Americans? How about marijuana smokers (people arrested and sentenced to years of prison for ingesting plants!)? Would Christians like to switch place with gays and lesbians? When was the last time a non-Christian was elected to the presidency? Do atheists stand any chance getting elected to ANY public office?

Suck it up and stop whining.

Personally I don’t see it as practice as he is going to spout nonsensical statements

Just like in real life. I'm often amazed at how many people are exactly like his spoof. I do live in Texas, after all. ;)

back that are calculated to piss you off rather then him expressing his point of view (even if you find it ignorant probably better flow or more consistent)

Yeah, well, I don't get pissed off, so it's all good. That, and I do like to see just how long these things can be carried on before a mod finally says, "Ok ok ok ... enough!" :D

Suck it up and stop whining.

Hear Hear

I always find these trolls the most amusing, though. It's just the way that within three pages you can start being completely ridiculous, and still loads of people think you're genuine, because they never look past page one.
It is silly is it not ... This one has done suprisingly well

See! See what I mean!

See! See what I mean!
Yeah I know they really went off on him :p too bad it is pointless lol

Yeah I know they really went off on him :p too bad it is pointless lol
It's particularly funny when they start having a go at you, saying, "well, I'm not reading forty pages to see whether it was a troll or not." Fine, but you could at least look at pages 2, 3 and the last two pages. That will usually give it away.

It's particularly funny when they start having a go at you, saying, "well, I'm not reading forty pages to see whether it was a troll or not." Fine, but you could at least look at pages 2, 3 and the last two pages. That will usually give it away.
:eek: really ... do tell! lol :p

Oh well at least we are having fun poking at them :p

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6735644/

Its exists. Christians are the most persecuted group in America today. The government must act.

*sigh* I wish my brothers and sisters were smarter. Why on earth would we want the government to help us if we are persecuted? In the Bible it says that when you are persecuted for the sake of God you are blessed. Think of it as an indication that you're doing something right for Him. Plus if we begin to involve the government, then separation of Church and state becomes entirely one sided, and before long they have worship laws. That isn't the kind of society that we need.

*sigh* I wish people on this board were smarter.

Eek. The Christians in America are being persecuted because they don't get their way 100% of the time? Shocking.

I said it before, I'll say it again: people like the original poster probably think they're being discriminated against if they can't find hot cross buns at Easter.

It's not like anybody's being thrown to the lions in an amphitheatre, is it? There's 'persecution' for you - throwing a shitfit over Christmas decorations is just lame as all get-out.

Grow up. Christianity hasn't been a 'slave' religion in millennia.

*sigh* I wish people on this board were smarter.
*sigh* you care to yell it or me? And do either of us have a post on the first page that we can edit to yelling?

What are the different breeds of Troll? :)

*sigh* I wish people on this board were smarter.

Well ... wish in one hand ... poop in the other ... yada yada yada ...

Game of cribbage, anyone?

What about the death penalty?
You'd think a guy who got the death penalty (jesus) would want his followers to be against it.

Jesus is against abortions, he is against gays, he is against immoral people like the democrats.
When's the last time Jesus spoke to you. He told me last night he liked gays and democrats.

When's the last time Jesus spoke to you. He told me last night he liked gays and democrats.

They speak everynight, goddammit!!

They speak everynight, goddammit!!
pillow talk?

he's fucking with you both. he told me he hates guys who take on a meaningless conversation thread into thousands of inane pages.

*sigh* I wish people on this board were smarter.

*nod*

click (http://www.antabaka.net/music/sealab/Murphy_Murph_&_The_Feng_Shui_Bunch/craptank.wav)

pillow talk?

Yes, they even share the pillow cause God's pillows are HUGE!

he's fucking with you both. he told me he hates guys who take on a meaningless conversation thread into thousands of inane pages.
and here you are adding to it ... congratulations

let's start a game of Corrupt a wish! lol

I assume you didn't see his part in my parody yesterday then: "Antichristian Persecution in Macclesfield", where antichristians were being chopped up and sold under the counter by a local butcher?

I'm pretty sure he wasn't being serious then.

Well, probably not. Still, it's bloody hard to tell. I mean, it's not like he's that far in views from the likes of Neo Cannen and probably more sensible than Defensor Felix or whatever his name is.

I'll accept I may well have been suckered, though.

Please do cite biblical sources (outside of the Mosaic Laws, as per St Pauls Epistle to the Galatians) that state that:

1) allowing abortion is not Christian (as in categorical statement, not poetic intimation)
2) allowing homosexuals equal rights is not Christian (I want some reference to political treatment)
3) Christians must publically procliam their faith
1. Abortion is murder which is against the principles of christianity. Therefore, anyone who supports abortion, is antichrist.
2. Equal political rights for homosexuals has nothing to do with christianity or any other religion. I was saying that if you are gay, then you can't be christian. You have to be one or the other. As for whether they ought to have political rights, Americans do not base such things on religious views.
3. In America, all christians have a political right to publically proclaim their faiths. This is based on the US Constitution, not on the Bible. Jesus did say however, to go out and boldly proclaim "all things that I have taught you."

See, what you are doing is talking about political side of issues and not the religious side. Tis ok to talk about them, but you must bear in mind there is line where you go from the political to the religious. I was talking about the religious and you brought up the political.
Nevertheless, the fact remains that if you support abortion or are gay you cannot be a christian, but rather antichrist.

1. Abortion is murder which is against the principles of christianity. Therefore, anyone who supports abortion, is antichrist.
2. Equal political rights for homosexuals has nothing to do with christianity or any other religion. I was saying that if you are gay, then you can't be christian. You have to be one or the other. As for whether they ought to have political rights, Americans do not base such things on religious views.
3. In America, all christians have a political right to publically proclaim their faiths. This is based on the US Constitution, not on the Bible. Jesus did say however, to go out and boldly proclaim "all things that I have taught you."

See, what you are doing is talking about political side of issues and not the religious side. Tis ok to talk about them, but you must bear in mind there is line where you go from the political to the religious. I was talking about the religious and you brought up the political.
Nevertheless, the fact remains that if you support abortion or are gay you cannot be a christian, but rather antichrist.


You know, it doesn't matter if you're Christian or not. The same things are required AND provided for you under that laws of the US Government.

1. Abortion is murder which is against the principles of christianity. Therefore, anyone who supports abortion, is antichrist.
2. Equal political rights for homosexuals has nothing to do with christianity or any other religion. I was saying that if you are gay, then you can't be christian. You have to be one or the other. As for whether they ought to have political rights, Americans do not base such things on religious views.
3. In America, all christians have a political right to publically proclaim their faiths. This is based on the US Constitution, not on the Bible. Jesus did say however, to go out and boldly proclaim "all things that I have taught you."

See, what you are doing is talking about political side of issues and not the religious side. Tis ok to talk about them, but you must bear in mind there is line where you go from the political to the religious. I was talking about the religious and you brought up the political.
Nevertheless, the fact remains that if you support abortion or are gay you cannot be a christian, but rather antichrist.


Damn you are good at this ... I try but I just cant make it stick!

I believe the reason for this is because we have seen certainly in recent years Christians trying to put their hand in law making and government etc. Where it truly does not belong.

I live in Canada as you know and both Canada and the US is made up of very diverse cultures from around the world. There are so many religions that are followed in our two countries that even the perception that Christians have taken over the law making process or government makes us who believe in secular rule or democracy do a double take.

I think the best answer of course is to keep your religion to yourself and in your houses of worship. Stop trying to influence policy in laws & government and you'd be surprised how much no one would care any more.

I don't care what people wish to believe, I only have a problem with it when they try to influence my government with policy that could directly affect my life. Religion and government have no place in the same sentence.

I must say I agree with your first point.
As for your second point, its probably because in the last 2 to 3 years there has been a tendency in many areas to base laws off the Bible. The pendulum which swinging against rights for christians is now swinging toward forcing all laws to be based off the Bible.
I don't mind them trying to influence our nation's laws and policies, what I object to is when they do with only the bible as their support.

When's the last time Jesus spoke to you. He told me last night he liked gays and democrats.
This morning, he told me they were sinners destined for hell.

You know, it doesn't matter if you're Christian or not. The same things are required AND provided for you under that laws of the US Government.
Which of course, is the equal protection clause that applies to everyone regardless of their religion.

Which of course, is the equal protection clause that applies to everyone regardless of their religion.

And that is because religion is not respected at all by our government.

And that is because religion is not respected at all by our government.


It doesn't need to be respected. If every religion is equally disrespected, then it evens out and everythign is fine. Enough whining.

Satan, you father of lies, stop twisting the truth.
You have no credibility to say this.

move to another nation, perhaps Europe. Public prayers are illegal there.
Funny, I live in Europe and I've never heard of that one. Every weekend on a main street of my city there is some guy talking about Jesus into a microphone, and some Hindu mystic handing out leaflets. Annoying stuff, it is, but apparently not illegal.

Europe is secular not because we're all atheists or pagans or whatever, but because we've seen how destructive theocracies can be in our past. We don't want to be like that again.

We're meeting at Waffle House Sunday morning at 8 for breakfast then we're going around the local churches to kill Xtians. :mp5:
I think it's the local al-Qaeda or possibly Nazi meeting you want.

You have no credibility to say this.


Funny, I live in Europe and I've never heard of that one. Every weekend on a main street of my city there is some guy talking about Jesus into a microphone, and some Hindu mystic handing out leaflets. Annoying stuff, it is, but apparently not illegal.

Europe is secular not because we're all atheists or pagans or whatever, but because we've seen how destructive theocracies can be in our past. We don't want to be like that again.


I think it's the local al-Qaeda or possibly Nazi meeting you want.
Yay another one (in case you did not get it ... troll)

It doesn't need to be respected. If every religion is equally disrespected, then it evens out and everythign is fine. Enough whining.

Don't worry, I agree with you. (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=382593&highlight=religious+moderation)

Don't worry, I agree with you. (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=382593&highlight=religious+moderation)
heh. sorry about that. a bit paranoid from this morning's personal attacks in another thread.

No, I am saying its true because it is. Most Americans can see it. The Democratic party is one of the worst persecutor of Christians in history. That's why the American people overwhelmingly rejected that party in the election and kept Bush in office. Cause the Dems would have banned Christianity.

Most Democrats are Christians though. Liberal Christians, but Christians nonetheless. So the above statement that the democrats would have banned Christianity is a falsehood in the extreme, as no one bans their own religion. Just because they don't think the government should endorse Christianity doesn't mean that they think it should not exist. Many people, when they're members of a certain religion, think that they speak for all who share that religion. This is usually not the case.

Most Democrats are Christians though. Liberal Christians, but Christians nonetheless. So the above statement that the democrats would have banned Christianity is a falsehood in the extreme, as no one bans their own religion. Just because they don't think the government should endorse Christianity doesn't mean that they think it should not exist. Many people, when they're members of a certain religion, think that they speak for all who share that religion. This is usually not the case.
Yay another one that does not get that it is a troll!

The hell are you talking about whitier?your just some fucking , extremist, prick, homophobe that wants to commit genocide on people that are pro-choice you asshole

rightwing vermin are false christians

Its only fair that if I can't hand out leaflets at school saying "The Christian God Is A Murdering Bastard And A Supporter Of Bigotry" that a christians can't hand out candy canes with the lies about their fictitious god. Course if the kid just wanted to hand out Candy Canes WITHOUT the lies attached, that would be different.

Its only fair that if I can't hand out leaflets at school saying "The Christian God Is A Murdering Bastard And A Supporter Of Bigotry" that a christians can't hand out candy canes with the lies about their fictitious god. Course if the kid just wanted to hand out Candy Canes WITHOUT the lies attached, that would be different.
free speech allows people to hand out candy canes that say whatever they want--Btw the Patriotic ACLU was the one that fought for the free speech rights of these bible freaks

Those "Christians" that are whinning about been disrespected or persecuted are whinning because they can't get their way on everything. Which I think is one thing we can truly be Thankful for. If these Christians gets their way, we would have a new dark age on our hand.

free speech allows people to hand out candy canes that say whatever they want--Btw the Patriotic ACLU was the one that fought for the free speech rights of these bible freaks
Hello MKULTRA :fluffle:

Antichristians are being persecuted?!? :o

Hello MKULTRA :fluffle:
Merry Christmas :gundge: :p

Merry Christmas :gundge: :p


That smiley actually does look somewhat festive..in a demented, lime-green way.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6735644/

Its exists. Christians are the most persecuted group in America today. The government must act.

Oh look, the courts properly upheld the rights of this student who wanted to talk about Jesus. I guess that must mean that Christians are being persecuted. Oh wait...

Oh look, the courts properly upheld the rights of this student who wanted to talk about Jesus. I guess that must mean that Christians are being persecuted. Oh wait...
yeah, i'm a tad confused...when a group is oppressed, don't they usually LOSE rights rather than having their rights explicitly and publicly upheld by the government?

persecute the christians, they ruin this time of year !

Militant Atheists vs Fundamentalist Christians.

God Bless America.

Whittlers finally lost it...

yeah, i'm a tad confused...when a group is oppressed, don't they usually LOSE rights rather than having their rights explicitly and publicly upheld by the government?

Most of the government is Christian.

I think the oppression might just be from people in the country.

Militant Atheists vs Fundamentalist Christians.

God Bless America.
I am not militant nor atheist ... but I do oppose fundamentalist Christians trying to force their views on others.

And does it have to be only militant atheists that oppose fundamentalist Christians or can it be anyone?

How about if we (non militant non atheists) oppose fundamentalists (insert belief here)

how does that fit into your simplified view of things?

:rolleyes: So I guess no one will dispute my evidence or position in this debate (look at my previous post). Then I suppose Whittier and I have proven our point. I can finish this argument under the name or one evil, liberal lawfirm: ACLU

There. Case closed.

:)

This would be a better world if everyone would just agree that today's hedonistic society has finally killed God. Yes, He stopped talking last night. God is officially dead.


Stir pot, stir. Mwahahahahaha!


The views expressed here do not necessarily reflect the views of the poster. For Gods sake people, this thread was made for trolls! Starve the trolls!

Although it is so much fun to watch the feeding frenzy.

It happens all the time. You can't build a church wherever you want it, you know. It has to be up to construction standards, building codes, and be within city zoning parameters. If you want to use a public venue, you have to get the permit. Call your city zoning board or city secretary for more information. Just because you're preaching doesn't give you carte blanche.



You'd be surprised what a city can do if one of their citizen's civil liberties are being ignored.



I didn't say anything about threats or approaching someone. However, that bit is moot anyway as grocers are privately owned places and if a person wants to preach at the entrance to a business, they have to get permission from the owner.

I'll also almost bet you 100% that if the preacher in question were barring people entrance to the store and, thus, interfering with their business, the preacher would get a nice police escort off the property. Interestingly enough, it falls under the same laws against vagrancy and panhandling.

The only time it's ever been an issue with me was when some prayer group decided they needed to hold a prayer vigil in my front lawn because they found out I'm not Christian. I asked them to leave, they didn't, so I had them arrested. Trespassing is still a crime ... even if you're there to preach.

As for street preachers, as long as they don't interfere with my day to day business, I have no problems with them. Most people don't. The problem comes in if they get in my face or harass my children.

Seems you lack an understanding of the constitution and how local laws work in America.

First of all, you can build a church where ever you want in a city. The only codes that apply are the health and safety codes. But religious groups get more space than non religious groups do. I know this since I was heavily involved in city politics and my specialty in college was municipal governance.

If a person claimed his rights were being violated just because some dude was standing on a street corner screaming out the ten commandments, he would be laughed at. Along with making himself look stupid.

It does not fall under panhandling, nor is it vagrancy. I was talking about the preacher standing on the publicly owned sidewalk in front of the store. So he could stand on the sidewalk directly in front of the entrance as long as he was allowing people to go in and out.

Well, you can go onto private property for any reason because its trespassing no matter what reason you are there, unless you work for the government.

And that is because religion is not respected at all by our government.
Actually it is respected by our government. That is why we have religious freedom in the first place.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6735644/

Its exists. Christians are the most persecuted group in America today. The government must act.


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Most Democrats are Christians though. Liberal Christians, but Christians nonetheless. So the above statement that the democrats would have banned Christianity is a falsehood in the extreme, as no one bans their own religion. Just because they don't think the government should endorse Christianity doesn't mean that they think it should not exist. Many people, when they're members of a certain religion, think that they speak for all who share that religion. This is usually not the case.
If they don't follow the laws of the bible, they are not in any way christians. And you know that they don't.

The hell are you talking about whitier?your just some fucking , extremist, prick, homophobe that wants to commit genocide on people that are pro-choice you asshole
ANd you are just a flamer. Ignored.

If they don't follow the laws of the bible, they are not in any way christians. And you know that they don't.
so...um when was the last time that you lied? (remember humility is also good to have)
nobody can follow the laws of the bible, not one person ever, which is why god gave men jesus
if you can find in the bible where jesus says "fuck the gays they're all going straight to hell", i'll take what you have said to heart

If they don't follow the laws of the bible, they are not in any way christians. And you know that they don't.
Yes and I believe that the old testament not only says homosexuality is a sin, but also warns against shaving and cutting your hair.

Most of the government is Christian.

I think the oppression might just be from people in the country.
most of the people in America are Christian (76% or so). in fact, the percentage of "the people" who are Christian is higher than the percentage of government officials who are Christian.

Yes and I believe that the old testament not only says homosexuality is a sin, but also warns against shaving and cutting your hair.

damn right, pity the fool that chops his locks. look what happened to samson. fucked up by the evil of the razor.

damn right, pity the fool that chops his locks. look what happened to samson. fucked up by the evil of the razor.

Absolutely! Why do right wing Christians pick and choose which laws of God they follow. They walk around with crew cuts and clean shaven faces eating pork sandwiches with graven images of Jesus and Elvis all over their trailers. Pop that trailer in the middle of ancient Judea and the occupants might get stoned to death.

Absolutely! Why do right wing Christians pick and choose which laws of God they follow. They walk around with crew cuts and clean shaven faces eating pork sandwiches with graven images of Jesus and Elvis all over their trailers. Pop that trailer in the middle of ancient Judea and the occupants might get stoned to death.

Exactly! I was about to bring up the fact that I've seen MANY Christians with at least one gold crucifix dangling from one place or another.

Perhaps this would be of some assistance -- http://ffrf.org/quiz/bquiz.php

:rolleyes: So I guess no one will dispute my evidence or position in this debate (look at my previous post). Then I suppose Whittier and I have proven our point. I can finish this argument under the name or one evil, liberal lawfirm: ACLU

There. Case closed.

:)

Wait.....you mean the evil liberal lawfirm that has been upholding the right of Christian individuals to express their opinions in schools?

Wait.....you mean the evil liberal lawfirm that has been upholding the right of Christian individuals to express their opinions in schools?where are you from... they are the ones repressing Christians individuals from expressing their opinions.

where are you from... they are the ones repressing Christians individuals from expressing their opinions.


I've never seen anyone repress a Christian from stating his/her opinion. However, I've most definitely seen it happen to..well, most everyone else. It seems that people around here (where I live) are afraid to piss off the church-goers because there are so many of them.

Haha. Ha. Ha.
Is this a joke?
The President of the United States WON, in large part, in my opinion, because of his religion, Christianity.
John Kerry, because he's Catholic ("but goes against his Church's teachings :rolleyes: ") got quite a bit of flack, at least that's what I saw on the 700 Club, not that you really need the 700 Club when you live in Greenville, South Carolina, but you know...
:headbang:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6735644/

Its exists. Christians are the most persecuted group in America today. The government must act.
the link doesn't work for me. can someone give me the gist?

Excuse me, but in the USA we have a constitutional right to espouse our religious views and proselitize in public places including schools, courthouse, public squares, markets, etc.
no you don't. i know that and i'm canadian.

well, you can go about saying such things. the government or other people of authority who represent the government (i.e. teachers) cannot start or force prayer on others.

Good luck with the personal judging Whittier, your deluded fundamentalist belief to get your own view across and demonic judgements of your fellow human beings is only setting your religion back centuries of years.

Merry CHRISTmas everyone!

Jesus loves you.

Especially Saetans. :)

well, you can go about saying such things. the government or other people of authority who represent the government (i.e. teachers) cannot start or force prayer on others.

but we're not talking about starting or forcing prayer, we're talking about things like teachers saying "the word God appears in the constitution" "our founding fathers were Christians" hell even "merry Christmas" will get you in trouble in the NYC school system

Makes me wonder how many Christians here have actually gone up to other people and said "happy Hanukah" or "Happy Rammadan".

Youre a multi-cultured society, try realising that.

Jesus is against abortions, he is against gays, he is against immoral people like the democrats.

Let's some biblical reference to Jesus' stance on abortion and gay rights.

Bottom line: Most outspoken political minded Christians see it as them against everyone else. Take away their right to pray in public, public post their dogma or anything else, it is persecution. However, if anyone ELSE tries to do the same, then the heathens are guilty of perverting the innocent. Coming from a non-Christian and minority belief system, if I were to hold a public worship service, I would be attacked for demon worship and the corruption of youth. Christian need to remeber that they are not the ONLY folks on the planet and not everyone agrees and/or follows their path. They don't need to agree with me, but I do require the same rights and freedoms they enjoy.

Makes me wonder how many Christians here have actually gone up to other people and said "happy Hanukah" or "Happy Rammadan".
Youre a multi-cultured society, try realising that.

Yes...so how many muslims and Jews have walked past and wished you a

merry Christmas lately?

In my time zone, in seven minutes it will be Christmas. I say, "Merry Christmas everyone!"

Peace and goodwill to all people.

Yes...so how many muslims and Jews have walked past and wished you a

merry Christmas lately?

Cant say many have. Some have, but not every one i walk into. I suppose thats my point, in a way. But then, Christmas seems to be a much more institutionalised holiday than the others.

Cant say many have. Some have, but not every one i walk into. I suppose thats my point, in a way. But then, Christmas seems to be a much more institutionalised holiday than the others.

Depends but, I dont think its noticed that much in the Middle East, Africa or

Asia.

No, I am saying its true because it is. Most Americans can see it. The Democratic party is one of the worst persecutor of Christians in history. That's why the American people overwhelmingly rejected that party in the election and kept Bush in office. Cause the Dems would have banned Christianity.

Firstly, many if not most democrats are Christians. Just because they are not of a southern baptist sect, that doesn't mean they hate Jesus.

Secondly, I don't see Clinton feeding Christians to lions.

Thirdly, 51% of the population is not even close to an 'overwhelming rejection'. It's the result of fear mongering.

Finally, why could a Catholic president ban Christianity? That's completely unsensical.

In my time zone, in seven minutes it will be Christmas. I say, "Merry Christmas everyone!"

Peace and goodwill to all people.Merry Christmas to you to... may you be blessed in this comming year.

and for those who are religious sensitive...

Happy Holidays and Good Luck Next Year.

Maybe the politically correct, fearful of offending anyone could face the west

and say merry shalom instead.

Makes me wonder how many Christians here have actually gone up to other people and said "happy Hanukah" or "Happy Rammadan".

Youre a multi-cultured society, try realising that.

yes, yes we are

so if a teacher can say "happy hanukah" or "happy rammadan" why should they be repremanded for shouting out a "merry Christmas"

Let's some biblical reference to Jesus' stance on abortion and gay rights.

well, not going to old testiment cause that can be argued I'll go with when Jesus said "Peter, you are the rock upon whom I build my Church"

Jesus could forsee the conflict that would come after his death so he created the Church to continue his ministry and granted them supreem authority, and they've spoken pretty definitivly on the subject

Bottom line: Most outspoken political minded Christians see it as them against everyone else. Take away their right to pray in public, public post their dogma or anything else, it is persecution. However, if anyone ELSE tries to do the same, then the heathens are guilty of perverting the innocent. Coming from a non-Christian and minority belief system, if I were to hold a public worship service, I would be attacked for demon worship and the corruption of youth. Christian need to remeber that they are not the ONLY folks on the planet and not everyone agrees and/or follows their path. They don't need to agree with me, but I do require the same rights and freedoms they enjoy.

so there are a few crazy Christians out there, this justifies the persecution of numerous religions

Finally, why could a Catholic president ban Christianity? That's completely unsensical.

I wouldn't go so far as to call jonh kerry a Catholic

he may sing for the choir of sundays but he votes for the devil come monday

how cynical of you to say so
jesus would not approve
jesus loves john kerry and you are unfit to judge john kerry, for your slate (and mine as well) is unclean

how cynical of you to say so
jesus would not approve
jesus loves john kerry and you are unfit to judge john kerry, for your slate (and mine as well) is unclean

Are you saying his slate is clean?
Nobody's slate is clean.

i apologize if i made such an implication, for i do not believe so

how cynical of you to say so
jesus would not approve
jesus loves john kerry and you are unfit to judge john kerry, for your slate (and mine as well) is unclean

like hell I am

its not that john kerry is a sinner, we are all sinners, but john kerry refuses to admit it and has publicly announced his intention to sin in the future and expresses no qualms about it

I have every right to judge john kerry

i apologize if i made such an implication, for i do not believe so

Okay.

I say we don't really have a right to judge anybody.

yes, yes we are

so if a teacher can say "happy hanukah" or "happy rammadan" why should they be repremanded for shouting out a "merry Christmas"

Well I dont know. I personally havent seen say any of those. In France, weve had muslim girls being banned from wearing thier headscarves, which is part of thier religious dress. So dont think Christianity is being persecuted, it isnt.

I think the point trying to be made here is that religion and education should be kept seperate. Why? Because youre part of a multi-cultured society.

Okay.

I say we don't really have a right to judge anybody.

thats BS, why don't we have the right to judge anybody baised on their stated future intentions

Well I dont know. I personally havent seen say any of those. In France, weve had muslim girls being banned from wearing thier headscarves, which is part of thier religious dress. So dont think Christianity is being persecuted, it isnt.


just cause its not being persecuted to the extend of some religions in some other countries dosn't mean persecution is justified

I think the point trying to be made here is that religion and education should be kept seperate. Why? Because youre part of a multi-cultured society.

but if the point is to keep these thing seperate then why is a teacher allowed to say "happy ramadan" or "happy kwanza" but could be fired if he/she says "happy Christmas"?

this isn't about multi-culturalism this is the clear-cut oppression of one segment of our culture and people