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(A large percentage, but not all) Europeans hate Americans. This is especially true of the French. Yet, they are baffled by the anti-French, and anti-European attitude of many Americans (although I myself have nothing against the French, being 1/8 French myself). It's okay for them to hate us, but they go absolutely apes*** over freedom fries and the like.

Any thoughts?

(A large percentage, but not all) Europeans hate Americans. This is especially true of the French. Yet, they are baffled by the anti-French, and anti-European attitude of many Americans (although I myself have nothing against the French, being 1/8 French myself). It's okay for them to hate us, but they go absolutely apes*** over freedom fries and the like.

Oh, the irony of using a prejudice to accuse others of being prejudiced.

The French don't hate Americans. Europeans don't hate Americans. We dislike your government and we voice our opinions of why we dislike it. Suck it up.

Oh, the irony of using a prejudice to accuse others of being prejudiced.

The French don't hate Americans. Europeans don't hate Americans. We dislike your government and we voice our opinions of why we dislike it. Suck it up.

True, but many (not all) Europeans don't just dislike our government, they dislike us as a people. I don't know if they're a majority or a minority, but it's really getting out of hand.

True, but many (not all) Europeans don't just dislike our government, they dislike us as a people. I don't know if they're a majority or a minority, but it's really getting out of hand.
I'm going to be really annoying now.

Do you have any proof?

True, but many (not all) Europeans don't just dislike our government, they dislike us as a people. I don't know if they're a majority or a minority, but it's really getting out of hand.

I dont think many Europeans dislike American "People". Just the government, forigen policy and culture being pumped into Europe.

True, but many (not all) Europeans don't just dislike our government, they dislike us as a people. I don't know if they're a majority or a minority, but it's really getting out of hand.

Nothing I've noticed much of, and I travel around the continent a fair bit. What keeps coming from people is a dislike of American foreign policy, and an amazement at how some internal affaires have been handled.

Do you have anything to support your claims?

Because the US stopped Hitler. That Europe just loves genocide.

That Europe just loves genocide.
If that was true all of us would love the US.

True, but many (not all) Europeans don't just dislike our government, they dislike us as a people. I don't know if they're a majority or a minority, but it's really getting out of hand.
since its so "out of hand" provice proof, cuzi sure havnt noticed it and would love to know what you are on about

Because the US stopped Hitler. That Europe just loves genocide.
the US IGNORED hitler, hell, the us even turned away refugees from nazi germany during the war. we would have never gotten involved more than likely if japan hadnt decided it would be fun to bomb us

If that was true all of us would love the US.

The only acts the U.S. ever committed that could be considered 'genocide,' were the policies toward the Native Americans in the past. Try to name me one country that has never, ever committed genocide in its entire history.

the US IGNORED hitler, hell, the us even turned away refugees from nazi germany during the war. we would have never gotten involved more than likely if japan hadnt decided it would be fun to bomb us

That's not true. Roosevelt desperately wanted to get us into the war. He used every conceivable means to antagonize the Germans and provoke them into attacking us first. Hitler was no fool; he remembered what happened in World War I, so he decided not to take the bait. Roosevelt then realized the only way to get involved in WWII was through the 'back door,' i.e., Japan.

Oh, the irony of using a prejudice to accuse others of being prejudiced.

The French don't hate Americans. Europeans don't hate Americans. We dislike your government and we voice our opinions of why we dislike it. Suck it up.
The people chose the government so indeed Europeans do hate the American people.

Oh, the irony of using a prejudice to accuse others of being prejudiced.

The French don't hate Americans. Europeans don't hate Americans. We dislike your government and we voice our opinions of why we dislike it. Suck it up.


Technically you do hate Americans if you hate our Government. Remember we have a government of the people, by the people, for the people.

Because the US stopped Hitler. That Europe just loves genocide.

Shame on you for belittling those who played a part in WWII Europe.

Oh, and by the by, the US didn't stop Hitler. Russia did. And the UK. And Canada. And Australia. And India. And I could go on and on. The US was part of an international effort; you remember? You used to work together with others.

I dont think many Europeans dislike American "People". Just the government, forigen policy and culture being pumped into Europe.

You allow our culture to be pumped into Europe.

The only acts the U.S. ever committed that could be considered 'genocide,' were the policies toward the Native Americans in the past. Try to name me one country that has never, ever committed genocide in its entire history.
Liechtenstein, Monaco, Andorra, San Marino.

The people chose the government so indeed Europeans do hate the American people.
Do some research troll. The only reason that Chirac is President is because voter 'apathy' meant that the election was either between a crook (Chirac) or a neo fascist (Le Pen).

Liechtenstein, Monaco, Andorra, San Marino.

Okay, so there were a few.

*Puts on dunce cap*

But the majority of nations can't say the same.

Technically you do hate Americans if you hate our Government. Remember we have a government of the people, by the people, for the people.
That logic only works if the legislature and exectutive is voted unanimously or near unanimously by the the people.

And if there is a high turn out.

The people chose the government so indeed Europeans do hate the American people.

BS. Disliking whom and what you vote for is not disliking you. Learn the difference, and grow a pair.

Try to name me one country that has never, ever committed genocide in its entire history.

I'm not entirely sure about this question, but I'll give it a shot. Switzerland?

On topic, I'm European and so is basically everyone I know. And it isn't Americans we hate, it's the American government, American foreign policy, and some (but not all) American culture.

Try to name me one country that has never, ever committed genocide in its entire history.

Canada

If that was true all of us would love the US.
No, you wouldn't. Rwanda before we gave it to the peacekeepers to run was actually doing better, same with Somalia, and same with Kosovo. That's why you love the UN.

You allow our culture to be pumped into Europe.

We also want our own culture but you have the overwhelming finical resorces to keep it going.

No, you wouldn't. Rwanda before we gave it to the peacekeepers to run was actually doing better, same with Somalia, and same with Kosovo. That's why you love the UN.
We don't love the UN. We think it can be usefull tool. But that doesn't mean we love it. I for one don't know anyone who truly *loves* the UN.
And I fail to see how that is relevant with the previouse posts.

Liechtenstein, Monaco, Andorra, San Marino.
Name any nation that's actually had some sort of real accomplishments to their name that has not commited some sort of genocide. And I don't consider watches to be that great.

Do some research troll. The only reason that Chirac is President is because voter 'apathy' meant that the election was either between a crook (Chirac) or a neo fascist (Le Pen).
What? I was talking about the US. Moreover, don't call me a troll because I am way too tall to be a troll. I know Chirac is a crook I am waiting for the oil for food thing to be over so I can tell my democrat friends.

No, you wouldn't. Rwanda before we gave it to the peacekeepers to run was actually doing better, same with Somalia, and same with Kosovo. That's why you love the UN.

Ah, yes of course. You never do stay long enough.

We don't love the UN. We think it can be usefull tool. But that doesn't mean we love it. I for one don't know anyone who truly *loves* the UN.

The UN, useful? They're a bunch of sleazy, corrupt crooks who adore genocidal tyrants, rub elbows with terrorists, love to participate in massacres of children and women, etc.

Yeah, we're not as big on censorship here.


Well, now that is not entirely true, now is it?

No censorship (http://www.techweb.com/wire/news/mar/0314porn1.html) here, please move along, nothing to see here.

Name any nation that's actually had some sort of real accomplishments to their name that has not commited some sort of genocide. And I don't consider watches to be that great.
Finland. Molotov cocktails.

The UN, useful? They're a bunch of sleazy, corrupt crooks who adore genocidal tyrants, rub elbows with terrorists, love to participate in massacres of children and women, etc.
If this was true then I do not understand why so many Americans dislike the UN. Seeing as they have so much in common.

The UN, useful? They're a bunch of sleazy, corrupt crooks who adore genocidal tyrants, rub elbows with terrorists, love to participate in massacres of children and women, etc.

Wow, that applies to the US as well.

Wow, that applies to the US as well.

Well, to certain American Presidents, yes. But not to Americans as a whole.

OK, this is an actual reason why I think some Europeans hate people from the US.

OK, about a year ago, my friend and his family went to Poland, they were going into this one store that had an English name, (they figured they spoke English... they did) anyway, they spoke with an English accent and English slang, they were refused service, now my friend who was in the back of the store, and it looked as if he was in there by himself, so he heard this and then he, (who can speak in a real good Cockney accent) bought what the familly needed and they got what they wanted.

Trust me, my friend does NOT have any prejudices at all, he is one of the most accepting people I know, he would never make somthing like that up.

I'm not mocking you, I'd just like to know why?

Well, to certain American Presidents, yes. But not to Americans as a whole.

Exactly. Which brings us back to disliking your policies not meaning disliking you.

Ah, yes of course. You never do stay long enough.
Well considering you whine about "imperialism" if we do, what choice do we really have?

I'm not mocking you, I'd just like to know why?

The store people were idiots. Are you gonna be one as well by using their behaviour to say the rest of the Polish people, and in extension Europeans, are like that as well?

<<"(A large percentage, but not all) Europeans hate Americans. This is especially true of the French. Yet, they are baffled by the anti-French, and anti-European attitude of many Americans (although I myself have nothing against the French, being 1/8 French myself). It's okay for them to hate us, but they go absolutely apes*** over freedom fries and the like.">>

This seems like a poor attempt to justify your own prejudice.

There are Eruos that are prejudiced, just like there are Americans that are. Although I think the problems of the South(In America) are far more troubled and ignorant than anything in modern Europe.

But that is besides the point. You are taking a fear and dislike of American policy and lumping in with the word "prejudice", which is pretty silly. There is no rational and educated adult that could possibly make that kind of comparison. Being against a government or policy is not "hating" a person, or group of people.

Prejudice is defined for you in the dictionary. I suggest taking a look there.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=prejudice

Well considering you whine about "imperialism" if we do, what choice do we really have?

Avoiding cock-ups such as those would be preferable, but sticking around and cleaning up your mess would be nice as well.

OK, this is an actual reason why I think some Europeans hate people from the US.

OK, about a year ago, my friend and his family went to Poland, they were going into this one store that had an English name, (they figured they spoke English... they did) anyway, they spoke with an English accent and English slang, they were refused service, now my friend who was in the back of the store, and it looked as if he was in there by himself, so he heard this and then he, (who can speak in a real good Cockney accent) bought what the familly needed and they got what they wanted.

Trust me, my friend does NOT have any prejudices at all, he is one of the most accepting people I know, he would never make somthing like that up.

I'm not mocking you, I'd just like to know why?


Hey I would like to know what you think, please!

Name any nation that's actually had some sort of real accomplishments to their name that has not commited some sort of genocide. And I don't consider watches to be that great.

Norway?
First Europeans on the American continent, together with Sweden and Denmark a major political factor in Northern Europe for centuries and greatly influencing the English language?

And through it all, we were just as unpleasant to all people, regardless of ethnicity.

Hey I would like to know what you think, please!

I've already commented. *points up*

Europeans are wimps.
They cant even defend them selves. Hollan has laws to kill your baby when it is born if it is not normal, hell they can kill the old folks with out even talking to the families....

STUPID liberal socialists... get this. They can kill your old parents and your new born children, with our your approval or even consulting you.

BUT... you, you cant kill your cat. Seriously, they have more laws on protecting your "old sick cat" than they do for keeping the most helpless of thier society alive.

Pathetic.

And through it all, we were just as unpleasant to all people, regardless of ethnicity.

But you forget the Sami population.

But you forget the Sami population.

Discrimination, yes, but genocide, no.

Pathetic.

Yeah, we know you are. Shoo, troll!

Discrimination, yes, but genocide, no.

Umm, hello? Sterilizations? Persecution? Killings? Read up on history.

Ever thought that it could be the perceived arrogance, your extreme sense of nationalism, the fact that you're nation has a tendency to be very hypocritical and, rhe fact that in the last few years things you've always been so vocal about have turned out to be complete shams in the past few years(Constant breaking of the first amendment by both people and, state, your so called "democracy"). Now, I'm not saying all americans are like that, heck, some of my best friends are american it's just the asses and, hypocrites have a tendency to be more vocal and, controling.

The store people were idiots. Are you gonna be one as well by using their behaviour to say the rest of the Polish people, and in extension Europeans, are like that as well?

O I'm sorry, didn't see it.

OK, hey and I'm not bashing the Polish, I'm nearly 100% Polish desent so...
But yeah you're right, thats like this couple I saw in a McDonalds once, the wife said as he was ordering' "Hey we can't get French Fries, they are French"

I just wanted to give her a good smack, but alas I couldn't.

But you forget the Sami population.

The who? :confused:

(A large percentage, but not all) Europeans hate Americans. This is especially true of the French. Yet, they are baffled by the anti-French, and anti-European attitude of many Americans (although I myself have nothing against the French, being 1/8 French myself). It's okay for them to hate us, but they go absolutely apes*** over freedom fries and the like.


By saying this, you are so...prejucided (something typicaly US Jezusland).

BTW there is nothing French on fries, the name comes simply because of the to french wich you need to do with your pottatos. It is more something Belgian or Spanish (wich brought us the potato when they came back with their ships). But it is typical for ignorant americans (not all but many) to see it as french instead of admiting the real origin of the recipe-->french fries (to french).

That's not true. Roosevelt desperately wanted to get us into the war. He used every conceivable means to antagonize the Germans and provoke them into attacking us first. Hitler was no fool; he remembered what happened in World War I, so he decided not to take the bait. Roosevelt then realized the only way to get involved in WWII was through the 'back door,' i.e., Japan.

what you mean in WW1, USA did nothing but fund the allies, same as in WW2 till you were attacked. but of course no one attacks america and you decied to go to war, and the way you say it, it sounds like roosevelt planned for the pearl harbour attacks. its thanks to the world war that the USA is os powerful. with all the money leant to the allies you were set for life.

Ever thought that it could be the perceived arrogance, your extreme sense of nationalism, the fact that you're nation has a tendency to be very hypocritical and, rhe fact that in the last few years things you've always been so vocal about have turned out to be complete shams in the past few years(Constant breaking of the first amendment by both people and, state, your so called "democracy"). Now, I'm not saying all americans are like that, heck, some of my best friends are american it's just the asses and, hypocrites have a tendency to be more vocal and, controling.

You're right about that. :(

Europeans are wimps.
They cant even defend them selves. Hollan has laws to kill your baby when it is born if it is not normal, hell they can kill the old folks with out even talking to the families....

STUPID liberal socialists... get this. They can kill your old parents and your new born children, with our your approval or even consulting you.

BUT... you, you cant kill your cat. Seriously, they have more laws on protecting your "old sick cat" than they do for keeping the most helpless of thier society alive.

Pathetic.

So you are basing all of your thoughts on this ONE thing, no I don't think so.

Can't we all just get along? You people do realize that when we are naked we look the same (well some of you folks anyway ;) )

We all need each other in this crazy world, Americans need Europeans, and you need us. The world would definately fall apart if either one collapsed, including Asia, Africa, Austrailia, and South America

The who? :confused:

The Sami. (http://www.lysator.liu.se/nordic/scn/faq23.html) The indigenous people of Northern Europe.

what you mean in WW1, USA did nothing but fund the allies, same as in WW2 till you were attacked. but of course no one attacks america and you decied to go to war, and the way you say it, it sounds like roosevelt planned for the pearl harbour attacks. its thanks to the world war that the USA is os powerful. with all the money leant to the allies you were set for life.

Roosevelt did indeed plan Pearl Harbor. Scores of books have been written on the subject.

The Sami. (http://www.lysator.liu.se/nordic/scn/faq23.html) The indigenous people of Northern Europe.

Thanks. :)

Europeans are wimps.
They cant even defend them selves. Hollan has laws to kill your baby when it is born if it is not normal, hell they can kill the old folks with out even talking to the families....



BUT... you, you cant kill your cat. Seriously, they have more laws on protecting your "old sick cat" than they do for keeping the most helpless of thier society alive.

Pathetic.

You're pathetic and hopeless.

Wich country is "Hollan ", never heared of it. Yeah they are all babykillers, they're specialised in it after taking lessons of Vietnam Veterans.

If there is one living braindonor on the internet, it must be you.

The who? :confused:
http://www.itv.se/boreale/samieng.htm

Let Putin get back on solid footing and you will the wimpy curr dog europeans come wringing thier hats for succor from the US.

Pathetic curr dogs.

Umm, hello? Sterilizations? Persecution? Killings? Read up on history.

"Persecutions" does not mean "genocide."

I've never heard of the government using sterilization as a means to force the Sami people to perceive themselves as Norwegians. If you know of any incident where this has happened, please send me a link or give me a book name, because I really want to know.

The same goes for killings. Enlighten me.

I take it you didn't just write down three words with question marks after them for no reason?

You're pathetic and hopeless.

Wich country is "Hollan ", never heared of it. Yeah they are all babykillers, they're specialised in it after taking lessons of Vietnam Veterans.

If there is one living braindonor on the internet, it must be you.

I'm a Vietnam Veteran and I don't recall that I killed any babies. I do remember our squads going around giving shots to babies to help them survive totally preventable diseases. Then we'd return later and see those babies massacred along with their families. Nothing prepares you for seeing piles of dead babies with their arms cut off and put into piles by the Vietcong.

Let Putin get back on solid footing and you will the wimpy curr dog europeans come wringing thier hats for succor from the US.

Pathetic curr dogs.

I'm more afraid that somebody founds oil from Finland and USA attacks us to get it. And for Finland not having any genocide, we were allied to nazi-german
during WW2. And shot many communists, too.

Europeans are wimps.
They cant even defend them selves. Hollan has laws to kill your baby when it is born if it is not normal, hell they can kill the old folks with out even talking to the families....



BUT... you, you cant kill your cat. Seriously, they have more laws on protecting your "old sick cat" than they do for keeping the most helpless of thier society alive.

Pathetic.

I take it this is your argument as to how Europeans are prejudiced? If anything it shows you're prejudiced - do you seriously think that the Holland government wake up each morning and think "Why don't we kill some old people today?"?

Also, how does this show that we are wimps who can't defend themselves? Is that comment utterly seperate from the "Hollan"-bashing? If so, why go on about Holland? And what is your basis for that comment anyway? Are you trying to say that we're wimps because many of us disagree with the [fairly naieve] Iraq War and can't defend ouselves from their WMDs?

Let me tell you something. No WMD can penetrate the US from Iraq. So that's defending yourself, is it? No.

Perhaps you're confused, your comment is stupid enough to sugest you can be confused easily. Do you mean that the war was moralistic - Saddam should not have WMDs? Remind me who has more WMDs than any other country in the world put together? Oh my, it's not possibly America is it? In the hands of Bush, they're pretty dangerous. Why don't we all declare war on you? :rolleyes:

I myself have nothing against Americans. I don't know many who bash Americans as such, but Bush and his administration receive lots of it. I don't like Bush because he was naieve enough to declare war on Iraq. Now he's in a stalemate position where if troops pull out, Iraq will be quickly over-run by Saddam's supporters, but if they stay, more and more people are being held hostage and getting picked off each day. To what avail? The Iraqi government has been pushed back by almost a year now, and even when it's formed America will have to stay for a bit, it's going to be pretty fragile. If Bush wanted to declare war, he might have thought up a strategy. Instead he's got a stalemate position. That is why I hate Bush. Although the "91 IQ" rumour is probably false, it's a pretty accurate guess.

Let Putin get back on solid footing and you will the wimpy curr dog europeans come wringing thier hats for succor from the US.

Pathetic curr dogs.

"Shoo, troll!" I said. Shoo, lest I notify the mods.

"See, free nations do not develop weapons of mass destruction."

-George W. Bush, October 8, 2003

french instead of admiting the real origin of the recipe-->french fries (to french).
Frenched is a way of cutting something. That's all. Fries are "frenched" from their original potato form.

That is why I hate Bush. Although the "91 IQ" rumour is probably false, it's a pretty accurate guess.


??? Oh ok. A pretty accurate guess?

Roosevelt did indeed plan Pearl Harbor. Scores of books have been written on the subject.
Ah yes, the old "books have been written, so it must be gospel" point of view.

Let Putin get back on solid footing and you will the wimpy curr dog europeans come wringing thier hats for succor from the US.

Pathetic curr dogs.

Bush may go around declaring War, but I doubt Putin would do that.

Us Brits wring our hats anyway, it rains a lot here. ;)

Oh, BTW, we are very wimpy, and we are definately on a parallel to dogs. I mean, no European nations whatsoever sent any troops to Iraq to held in Bush's futile game of soldiers, did they? The UK, Spain (although they definately didn't pull out after suffering an imaginary terrorist attack for sending troops to Iraq, which didn't happen), Ukraine, Poland, Bulgaria, Italy and Portugal never, ever sent troops to Iraq. The US have every right to hate us, don't they?

It's wierd - we have said, truthfully, that we (being most of the general public, not the government) do not hate Americans, but the Bush administration and their forgein policy. However, your comment, Upper Campbelle, seems to show that you, anyway, hate Europneans as people. Is this how all of America think of us Europeans, or are you just one person letting your country down when it comes to any prejudice Europeans might have of your thoughts on us - watch out, the CIA will be after you now if my thoughts are confirmed. :rolleyes:

??? Oh ok. A pretty accurate guess?

There was a rumour going around on the internet that Bush's IQ was the lowest of all American presidents at 91. You've probably heard of it, right?

Now, this is probably a load of crap, and the people who set up the 'evidence' were probably just guessing what the Presidents' IQs were.

However, I suspect that the [probable] guess on Bush's IQ, which, as I have said, came out as 91, is fairly accurate.

And a guess can be accurate, if that's what you're saying, I'm not being self-contradictory. If I guess that there isn't a tornado outside, as I don't know, it's a guess. It's a fairly accurate guess, isn't it? Although there may be a spiral of wind at 0.3mph outside right now, there isn't a tornado, so my guess is pretty accurate.

Got it now? :)

Europeans are wimps.
They cant even defend them selves. Hollan has laws to kill your baby when it is born if it is not normal, hell they can kill the old folks with out even talking to the families....

STUPID liberal socialists... get this. They can kill your old parents and your new born children, with our your approval or even consulting you.

BUT... you, you cant kill your cat. Seriously, they have more laws on protecting your "old sick cat" than they do for keeping the most helpless of thier society alive.

Pathetic.

I've seen better clowns in the Russian State Circus. And they recently hired a positivity guru who nobody likes.

Now, consider for a moment that Holland is full. Take in mind that the rest of the Netherlands is also full. What's so bad about killing a few people then? Frees up resources for the ones who can still live a happy and succesful life.

Also, if you knew only a little bit about NL, you'd know it is called 'voluntary euthenasia'. What you describe is forced euthenasia. Because I life there and learn about it in class I know they are not kidding about 'voluntary'. Heck, you could almost call it 'exceptional euthenasia' what with all the bureacracy and all. What you don't understand is that sometimes, the family doesn't get a say in it because the patient himself desires it. Sometimes, the patient himself has given doctors or family permission to pull the plug the moment he starts talking garbage.

As for babies, in this society that demands perfection (that includes all of Europe, America, Africa and Asia) some people prefer a genetically souped-up child over one with down-syndrome, AIDS or other deformations. Euthanasia is the only alternative to giving up parenting the child. We are full, and like it or not, we decide on how to divide our resources. Even if we killed off every useless member of society, we'd still be the most economically responsible people. And we don't, we give people an alternative to breed more, feed more.

I don't see how in any way that means we prejudice Americans. It's this unnecessary trolling that starts a prejudice in the first place. Maybe we prejudice you because we've seen too many Johnsons, Nixons and Bushes. And we keep seeing less and less Franklin Roosevelds. Maybe it because the Clintons, while trying to do good, make needless mistakes to which we can or cannot relate. Maybe it's because bribe effect of the Marshall plan has worn off and we are more concerned with defenseless civilians in Sudan or Vietnam and AIDS patients who recieve ineffective aid from the US to prevent the spread of it. Maybe it is because we hear that Bush want to take over Galilee from the European space program. Maybe because Bush tells us we should allow Turkey into the EU when he doesn't know half of how much is wrong with Turkey despite being pro-western. Maybe it is because Bush is such big big friends with Berlusconi and the Saud family. Maybe it is all of these things that make us think America is filled with control-obsessed zealot cowboys, with the IQ of the rear-end of a cow and a jingoist attitude. Or maybe not. Maybe we are decieving ourselves into thinking not all Americans approve of the wrongdoings of their own government. Maybe we are right on that. Maybe, just maybe.

The people chose the government so indeed Europeans do hate the American people.

Do you really believe that the American public actually decides who will run the country...grab a brain.

Canada
Acadian Diaspora. Oh and the Native American reservations in Canada are some of the worst in North America. They are worse than those in the US by far such that while US Reservations have begun to see a decline in the rates of alchoholism and suicide, these problems have hit crisis levels in Canada. The Canadian natives are not as publicized but they have actually had it worse.

what you mean in WW1, USA did nothing but fund the allies, same as in WW2 till you were attacked. but of course no one attacks america and you decied to go to war, and the way you say it, it sounds like roosevelt planned for the pearl harbour attacks. its thanks to the world war that the USA is os powerful. with all the money leant to the allies you were set for life.

Just curious, do you mean that we are set for life because of repayments on the loans? If I remember correctly, we decided to not collect repayment. Only one country ever paid us back if I remember right, and that is Chechoslovakia.

Its bs, they hate us, we hate them. Let alone the fact that they gave us the Statue of Liberty and helped us win our freedom, and that we saved them from Germany twice.

Most Europeans don't like your government. Thus they attack your government, not your people.
Americans don't like the French government. Thus, they attack both the government and the French people.

Now do you understand why we're baffled by the hate campaign?

Technically you do hate Americans if you hate our Government. Remember we have a government of the people, by the people, for the people.
You really don't. The Republicans almost entirely control your government, yet almost half of American's don't like them. Not very representative. European democracies, with proportional representation, tend to be much more representative of their entire populations.

The UN, useful? They're a bunch of sleazy, corrupt crooks who adore genocidal tyrants, rub elbows with terrorists, love to participate in massacres of children and women, etc.
Just like the US government, right?

No, no you see. Europeans can be prejudiced against Americans (excuse me, "the government"), because they are superior human beings. Americans are all just white, racist, fascists, but Europe is perfect in every way whatsoever because they're European. Because America doesnt have the same exact beliefs as Europe, we are evil. That is how free thought works, everyone think the same. :D

Most Europeans don't like your government. Thus they attack your government, not your people.
Americans don't like the French government. Thus, they attack both the government and the French people.

Now do you understand why we're baffled by the hate campaign?

Oh , please, you attack Americans as much as we do you. Fat, ignorant, redneck. Do these ring a bell?


You really don't. The Republicans almost entirely control your government, yet almost half of American's don't like them. Not very representative. European democracies, with proportional representation, tend to be much more representative of their entire populations.

Republicans control the government?! Thats a laugh! Why do we have the EPA, welfare, and hate crime laws? The Republicans have slight edge over the Democrats.

(A large percentage, but not all) Europeans hate Americans. This is especially true of the French. Yet, they are baffled by the anti-French, and anti-European attitude of many Americans (although I myself have nothing against the French, being 1/8 French myself). It's okay for them to hate us, but they go absolutely apes*** over freedom fries and the like.

You ever been to Europe? How do you know? Hell, i read somewhere that before your elections in november, 60% of the french actually had a good opinion of the Americans. And as someone said, most people in Europe dislike the US foreign policy, not the americans.

Still, with all the US unilateralism and greed, you have to expect a bit of.. discomfort.

Just like the US government, right?

We love to particpate in slaughters of women and children?

We love to particpate in slaughters of women and children?

Mai Lai massacre. Rings a bell?

Mai Lai massacre. Rings a bell?

And this is a usual occurence? And what makes you think people loved doing that?

And this is a usual occurence? And what makes you think people loved doing that?

Iraq war? Abu graib? Lots of people called the nuking of fallujah.. I bet more than one people (not you i guess) in this forum would like to see the arab world nuked, and would be happy about that..

Right, who says its O.K. for Europeans to be prejediced?

I'm Australian, and I reckon I've got as much right to be prejudiced as anyone else has.

Probably more right, seeing I've got to deal with stupid Americans who simultaneously are capable of believing that :

the whole world consists of themselves and some European countries, and several small picturesque nations that can either be ignored or invaded at whim

the "right" to be prejudiced is not a contradiction in terms, and/or they can be prejudiced or commit war crimes or anything else because others have done so before. And that they can do so while still proclaiming themselves as the "defenders of freedom".

Gimme a break.

Iraq war? Abu graib? Lots of people called the nuking of fallujah.. I bet more than one people (not you i guess) in this forum would like to see the arab world nuked, and would be happy about that..

Abu Ghraib was women and children! Thats news to me! Iraq War? Hmm... we enjoy doing that? Oh right, every soldier does it because of what the media highlights! Please, stop throwing crap - we don't get pleasure from torturing people. Bush couldn't care less, this is about politics, not about sadistic nature.

Republicans control the government?! Thats a laugh! Why do we have the EPA, welfare, and hate crime laws? The Republicans have slight edge over the Democrats.
Republicans control the presidency, both houses of Congress... sounds like control to me.

Don't worry, the Reps will turn their guns on those three things you mentioned soon enough. (Not forgetting that the EPA was created by a Republican president!)
Abu Ghraib was women and children! Thats news to me! Iraq War? Hmm... we enjoy doing that? Oh right, every soldier does it because of what the media highlights! Please, stop throwing crap - we don't get pleasure from torturing people. Bush couldn't care less, this is about politics, not about sadistic nature.
If what you say about the UN is true, then this might as well be true about the US government.

Oh , please, you attack Americans as much as we do you. Fat, ignorant, redneck. Do these ring a bell?
At least those are partially true:

Fat - America has the highest overweight/obesity rates in the world.

Ignorant - Around 86% of Americans can't even find Iraq on a world map. Hell, 11% of them can't even find the USA on the map!

Redneck - Banning gay marriage/unions in 11 states, voting for GW Bush, hating everyone who's not a socially authoritarian Christian, saying "fuck the world we can do what we want!" on a daily basis, etc.....

- Around 86% of Americans can't even find Iraq on a world map. Hell, 11% of them can't even find the USA on the map!



I have heard it suggested that a not inconsiderable proportion of the residents of the USA would be unable to find their own arses even if using both hands (asses for those who cannot spell).

On would, however, not repeat such a scurillous comment for fear of being thought prejudiced....oops!

I dont think many Europeans dislike American "People". Just the government, forigen policy and culture being pumped into Europe.

There are a few rare exceptions, however. Anyone remember the racist bigot Nazi Weaponized Virus?

Ignorant - Around 86% of Americans can't even find Iraq on a world map. Hell, 11% of them can't even find the USA on the map!

If that's true, I'm frightened. Deeply, deeply frightened. :eek:

No, no you see. Europeans can be prejudiced against Americans (excuse me, "the government"), because they are superior human beings. Americans are all just white, racist, fascists, but Europe is perfect in every way whatsoever because they're European. Because America doesnt have the same exact beliefs as Europe, we are evil. That is how free thought works, everyone think the same. :D

OK, I've had this chunk of argument from a fair few Americans from other forums.

Why do you say "excuse me, 'the government'"? We have every right to be prejudiced against you if you say stuff like that. Many seperate people on this topic have said that it is Bush, his administration and his forgein policies. So why do you continue to belive otherwise, and that we are substituting "american people" for "government".

If you're saying that us Europeans are prejudiced against you and that we're not the superior human beings, you're wrong. For a start, one cannot judge a nation's people as being superior, all humans are the same - althgh many times I have heard Americans thinking they're so great - this is from an argument which I have on file from another forum:

We are not subject to the whims of such countries as N. Korea, Libya, Saudi Arabia, England, france, Germany, ect., ect., who have no concern for US well being. You don’t give a four year old the “keys’ to a nuclear submarine.

The United States IS bigger and better, and no other country CAN stand in our way, because of which we are envied the world over.

We have, by the rules of nature, no obligation, as the strongest lion in the proverbial pride, to heed the whimpers of the weaker, to restrain ourselves from taking what we want when we want it and killing all who slightly annoy us. We have the power to do all of these things, and yet we hold our tremendous might in check for we have chosen to abide by far higher rules, the Laws of the God who lead us to such greatness.

Government produces nothing. WE do. And America knows this. We don't whine adout being victims. That's why we are the best. And because we are the best , wheenies like you hate us. It's lonely at the top, but at the top we are, and we are not moving.

Nope, we don't give a dm about the rest of the world's OPINIONS.

You're foolishness is appauling! You advise me to look at a EUROPEAN map for AMERICAN election results?! No wonder you are so off your nut! Our media is socialist enough; I can't even imagin how bad a socialist country's socialist media is!

Europeans do not think they're great. We do not go around making comments like that. And what kind of an idiot would think that you're all white? We are definately not perfect in every way - for example, our Home Secretary resigned the other day for abusing his position in power and fast-tracking a visa - twice. We do not think "you" (surely you are confused here by "THE US GOVERNMENT" not the American people) are evil as we have different beliefs. We belive Bush is evil as he is naieve and stupid enough to prance into a stalemate position in Iraq without any real strategy.

You're saying that's how free thought works? Everyone thinks the same? Wait a second. At the beginning of that post you were saying how Europeans were so prejudiced, right? However all of your opinions of us in that post have been prejudiced especially this. Who said everyone thinks the same? In fact, who said even one of us thinks what you said at all? If anything, this post has shown that Americans are more prejudiced over Europeans than the other way round. Are you saying you DON'T have free thought?

Or, are you saying, sarcastically (the lowest form of wit, alongside puns), that you have free thought and so we think that you all share the same views? The PREJUDICE PREJUDICE alarm sounds again. Anyway, the Patriot Act and all that stuff hardly shows free thought. That 11 year old boy being questioned because he said "I hate America". He had free thought. He got interrogated etc. Is that what you mean by free thought - that you can think what you like, but face the consequences? :rolleyes: :p

Europeans are wimps.
They cant even defend them selves. Hollan has laws to kill your baby when it is born if it is not normal, hell they can kill the old folks with out even talking to the families....

STUPID liberal socialists... get this. They can kill your old parents and your new born children, with our your approval or even consulting you.

BUT... you, you cant kill your cat. Seriously, they have more laws on protecting your "old sick cat" than they do for keeping the most helpless of thier society alive.

Pathetic.

Quick tip: if you are going to use the word STUPID in your post, format it in such a way that it doesn't seem like a comment on yourself.

Name any nation that's actually had some sort of real accomplishments to their name that has not commited some sort of genocide. And I don't consider watches to be that great.

If by "real accomplisments" you mean "having a lot of international clout" and by"genocide" you mean "killing a lot of a certain kind of people" then what you're asking is impossible, since historically the two have, regrettably, been very closely connected. The original point, though, was that genocide was not a uniquely European concept, which was what (waaaay back) was being suggested. Oh, and to anyone who has already said, or is thinking of saying, the usual cliche, no the US did not save Europeans from the Germans twice. Hastening a process that is already in motion is not saving by any stretch of the imagination.

However, I suspect that the [probable] guess on Bush's IQ, which, as I have said, came out as 91, is fairly accurate.


This was covered on an earlier thread a week ago. Intelligent guesswork, based on Bush's SAT scores and National Guard entrance test out his IQ at around 125.

Source:
http://www.vdare.com/sailer/kerry_iq_lower.htm

At least those are partially true:

Fat - America has the highest overweight/obesity rates in the world.

So we're all fat?

Ignorant - Around 86% of Americans can't even find Iraq on a world map. Hell, 11% of them can't even find the USA on the map!

And who did they ask?

Redneck - Banning gay marriage/unions in 11 states, voting for GW Bush, hating everyone who's not a socially authoritarian Christian, saying "fuck the world we can do what we want!" on a daily basis, etc.....

Nevermind the 50 million+ who voted against George W. Bush. Banning gay marriage was done in more conservative states, you seem to forget that the majority of states have not banned it. Hating everyone who's not a socially authoritarian Christian is total BS, a common generalization. Come to California or any of the large big cities. We'll see abou that. Fuck the world we can do what we want! BS. Not one person I've talked to has decided that it was important enough to say FUCK THE WORLD WE CAN DO WHAT WE WANT! Of course, generalizations are so easy to kill people's reputations.

So we're all fat?



No-one is saying that you are all fat. Hell, If Britain was as big as America, I'm sure they'd have as many obease people.

I like Europeans and Americans! Even though I'm neither.

And Id like to apologize if any Europeans were offended by any of my previous comments, I was a bit peeved at the whole generalization of Americans, seeing as all my friends ARE americans.

^^ s'all right.

We are not subject to the whims of such countries as N. Korea, Libya, Saudi Arabia, England, france, Germany, ect., ect., who have no concern for US well being. You don’t give a four year old the “keys’ to a nuclear submarine.
This brings up the question why those countries even should be concerned about the US's well beeing? The US clearly isn't concerned about theirs.

No-one is saying that you are all fat. Hell, If Britain was as big as America, I'm sure they'd have as many obease people.

I like Europeans and Americans! Even though I'm neither.
In every country the obesity rates are skyrocketing. Nat. Geographic did an article on it and while America currently has the most obese people that appears to be only because they've been affluent for so long in modern society. The obesity rates in other countries are actually rising much faster.

The Euro's are just jealous of our modern hygenic habits and that our toilets can handle a Texas sized log.

In every country the obesity rates are skyrocketing. Nat. Geographic did an article on it and while America currently has the most obese people that appears to be only because they've been affluent for so long in modern society. The obesity rates in other countries are actually rising much faster.

Canada is almost as fat as the US, and they've only got 35 million people. Guess this NHL strike is really hurting them since they all play in it anyway.

This entire thread (for the most part) is made up of ignorant remarks. Most Americans and most Europeans don't hate each other at all.
There will always be nationalists that hate everyone that isn't from their *tribe*.
It's plain ole xenophobia. It happens everywhere. So what?
I enjoy speaking to lots of people here from across the continents, and for the most part, everyone else does too.

This entire thread (for the most part) is made up of ignorant remarks. Most Americans and most Europeans don't hate each other at all.
There will always be nationalists that hate everyone that isn't from their *tribe*.
It's plain ole xenophobia. It happens everywhere. So what?
I enjoy speaking to lots of people here from across the continents, and for the most part, everyone else does too.

I know but it is fun every now and again to just lay into someone for their outrageous accent.

BTW USA USA USA USA USA #1 woooo

I know but it is fun every now and again to just lay into someone for their outrageous accent.

BTW USA USA USA USA USA #1 woooo


There is a word for that, but I can't remember what it's called. Candinstly.

There is a word for that, but I can't remember what it's called. Candinstly.
What are you talking about?
And don't harsh Johnny's mellow just because he's Bush's biggest supporter on these boards! No cool man, so not cool.

Try to name me one country that has never, ever committed genocide in its entire history.
Switzerland? Tibet?

What are you talking about?
And don't harsh Johnny's mellow just because he's Bush's biggest supporter on these boards! No cool man, so not cool.

:rolleyes: How do you know it was something bad? No cool man, so not cool. :rolleyes: as it happens, it wasn't.

I just forgot the word. Candinstly.

Switzerland? Tibet?

I might agree with Tibet. Unfortunately, it isn't it's own country, per se. I can't be sure about switzerland. I doubt that they have committed genocide, but I'm not sure.

I don't know, I just picked swis because they declared themselves netural from all conflicts, and tibet because it (was) a buddhist country.

As for the real thread, it turned out as I predicted, macho americans bashing europe, europe calling americans stupid, then the intelligent people trying to sort out the confused from the morons.

*sigh* I think I'll go to africa and die in a pointless war. *shakes fist at america and europe*

I don't know, I just picked swis because they declared themselves netural from all conflicts, and tibet because it (was) a buddhist country.

As for the real thread, it turned out as I predicted, macho americans bashing europe, europe calling americans stupid, then the intelligent people trying to sort out the confused from the morons.

*sigh* I think I'll go to africa and die in a pointless war. *shakes fist at america and europe*

I'm a confused. Why do people even make these threads???

The Euro's are just jealous of our modern hygenic habits and that our toilets can handle a Texas sized log.
right.

and eau de toilet and cologne are so called simply because they sound nice?

I'm a confused. Why do people even make these threads???

Usually to try and grasp this deep seeded....anger?(hostility, uneasiness, around there is the word that left my mind) Others, to vent their propaganda fed anger at the people, and then the rare few, who actually try and accomplish something important....

(thats my rail-road flattened penny or is it pence?)

Usually to try and grasp this deep seeded....anger?(hostility, uneasiness, around there is the word that left my mind) Others, to vent their propaganda fed anger at the people, and then the rare few, who actually try and accomplish something important....

(thats my rail-road flattened penny or is it pence?)

Oh. I thought it might be something like that.
It's a shame. :( You'd think everyone would want world peace....

people want it, but conflict is often sub-concious, many people thrive on it, need it, without it, they wither up and become empty shells, will there ever be world peace, no, war is in our blood, our very esscence, can we limit the amount of fighting, yes, will that happen, it won't if feelings that were expressed in this thread and others like it(not all feelings/ideas, just the more macho/snooty ones) are still around...

(listen to me, pretending I have a clue as to what I'm rambling on about)

What are you talking about?
And don't harsh Johnny's mellow just because he's Bush's biggest supporter on these boards! No cool man, so not cool.

Haha, How I do like bush, but you an I may be thinking of different bush's. Let's just say my kind of bush stinks after an hour.

right.

and eau de toilet and cologne are so called simply because they sound nice?


Well if you take a bath or shower everyday. You don't need to splash too much stinky stuff on yourself. BTW what the hell do those things have to do with hygene.

Well if you take a bath or shower everyday. You don't need to splash too much stinky stuff on yourself. BTW what the hell do those things have to do with hygene.

colgene is toothpaste, i think...and the toilet speaks for itself. I swear they can talk.

It is toothpaste, isn't it? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

It might actually meant to be cologne, maybe not....

colgene is toothpaste, i think...and the toilet speaks for itself. I swear they can talk.

It is toothpaste, isn't it? Please correct me if I'm wrong.
I think you're thinking of colgate.

It's alright if they hate me for being american. Let them spend the time and energy on hatred.

I dont think many Europeans dislike American "People". Just the government, forigen policy and culture being pumped into Europe.

Their government doesn't have to allow our government, foreign policies or culture be "pumped" into their's. We'll just blow you up though if you don't :)

1.So we're all fat?

2. And who did they ask?

3. Nevermind the 50 million+ who voted against George W. Bush. Banning gay marriage was done in more conservative states, you seem to forget that the majority of states have not banned it. Hating everyone who's not a socially authoritarian Christian is total BS, a common generalization. Come to California or any of the large big cities. We'll see abou that.

4. Fuck the world we can do what we want! BS. Not one person I've talked to has decided that it was important enough to say FUCK THE WORLD WE CAN DO WHAT WE WANT! Of course, generalizations are so easy to kill people's reputations.
1. Oh no, merely 65% of you are overweight.

2. They asked just-graduated high-school students. Additionally, 42% of them could not name a single country in Asia!

3. The fact that such a bigoted thing was done ANYWHERE indicates that the people concerned were rednecks. I'm not saying that all Americans are socially authoritarian Christians, but during this year's election campaign, the amount of bile coming from red-staters (who were authoritarian Christians) about the immorality of blue-staters was endless.

4. I see statements such as this this all the time on this forum from radical American nationalists. "Coward traitor European's opinions don't matter we can do what we want!" is another specialty. See post #96 in this thread.

The opinions of American liberals and moderates on the other hand, are mostly reasonable. It's the radical neocons/religious authoritarians that I find ridiculous.

Europeans are wimps.
They cant even defend them selves. Hollan has laws to kill your baby when it is born if it is not normal, hell they can kill the old folks with out even talking to the families....

STUPID liberal socialists... get this. They can kill your old parents and your new born children, with our your approval or even consulting you.

BUT... you, you cant kill your cat. Seriously, they have more laws on protecting your "old sick cat" than they do for keeping the most helpless of thier society alive.

Pathetic.
Fucking lies. There's not a shred of truth in this trash.

Let Putin get back on solid footing and you will the wimpy curr dog europeans come wringing thier hats for succor from the US.

Pathetic curr dogs.
Putin? You mean Putin, the communist dictator?

Putin? You mean Putin, the communist dictator?
now, now, no need for that,
He might be a facist dictator

Haha, How I do like bush, but you an I may be thinking of different bush's. Let's just say my kind of bush stinks after an hour.
I should've seen that coming. D'oh! I can't not drop a double entendre today.