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I have heard many stupid arguments on why Bush is a good president. But what I am about to post just takes the cake, the ignorant bastard that wrote this will not be revealed because I dont want to exploit him in front all you people and perhaps save him from embarrasing himself. He knows who he is (if he sees this post that is) But here is the argument he made. "I think Bush is a good president because he is the kind of guy you could have over for a drink." :eek: Are you kidding me. First of all Bush doesnt do alcohol anymore, he learned his lesson after being caught drunk driving in the 70's, and 80's, that is where people got the impression he was a "born again christian." Because he stopped snorting crack and boozing his life away. Back to the topic. A suitable drinking buddy does NOT make an appropriate president. Its rediculous. Ill let you debate about this for a while, have fun :D

Its funny, as I am posting this, I am listening to "The Fool on the Hill." -The Bealtes.

Day after day, alone on the hill,
The man with the foolish grin is keeping perfectly still.
But nobody wants to know him,
They can see that he's just a fool.
And he never gives an answer .....

But the fool on the hill,
Sees the sun going down.
And the eyes in his head,
See the world spinning around.

Well on his way, his head in a cloud,
The man of a thousand voices, talking perfectly loud.
But nobody ever hears him,
Or the sound he appears to make.
And he never seems to notice .....

But the fool on the hill,
Sees the sun going down.
And the eyes in his head,
See the world spinning around.

And nobody seems to like him,
They can tell what he wants to do.
And he never shows his feelings,

But the fool on the hill,
Sees the sun going down.
And the eyes in his head,
See the world spinning around.

When you think of it you can link any happening to a Beatles song.

you can't snort crack.

you can't snort crack.

Your right the normal person can smoke crack, and snort cochaine, but Bush can snort crack! :D Thats Dubya!

Your right the normal person can smoke crack, and snort cochaine, but Bush can snort crack! :D Thats Dubya!

Hmm... I seem to remeber snorting a packet of sugar back around the 3rd grade. So maybe it is possible...

I would like a president that I could snort with...wouldn't that be groovy?

I would like a president that I could snort with...wouldn't that be groovy?

Yeah that would be pretty hot... (dials 9-11 than realizes that Bush probably has them controlled, dials European police number whatever that might be) gets the Spanish police who tell me "we are on our siesta! Call back in three hours!" Than calls the French and Italian police and gets the same responce.

Will you never just get over it? Will you never just stop refighting the same lost battles and finally reailze that the majority of Americans wanted President Bush to serve another four years. Will you never just take your own advice and just "moveon.org?"

Even IF President Bush "snorted cocaine," as you alledge ( and I don't believe for one minute that he did ), I would still rather have him as President that a lying, amoral, opportunistic sack of shit like John Kerry! Hell, I would rather have Adolph Hitler as President than that cowardly, conniving, manipulative, medal-hound, betrayer Kerry!

Will you never just get over it? Will you never just stop refighting the same lost battles and finally reailze that the majority of Americans wanted President Bush to serve another four years. Will you never just take your own advice and just "moveon.org?"

Even IF President Bush "snorted cocaine," as you alledge ( and I don't believe for one minute that he did ), I would still rather have him as President that a lying, amoral, opportunistic sack of shit like John Kerry! Hell, I would rather have Adolph Hitler as President than that cowardly, conniving, manipulative, medal-hound, betrayer Kerry!

Yeah screw Kerry and his plans to help make medicare more affordable! And letting jobs sail across the pacific! Damn him to hell! And especially Edwards! South Carolina? North Carolina is much better!And curse Kerry for fighting in Nam! Glad he didnt win!

First of all Bush doesnt do alcohol anymore, he learned his lesson after being caught drunk driving in the 70's, and 80's, that is where people got the impression he was a "born again christian."
I think it was 1976 that he got arrested for drunk driving.

A suitable drinking buddy does NOT make an appropriate president. Its rediculous.
I see your point, and though it isn't impossible, typically I think that your right. Though that doesn't make him any less electable as a candidate that some people view him that way. On the contrary, that may be why many did.

Its funny, as I am posting this, I am listening to "The Fool on the Hill." -The Bealtes.
It's funny, as I am posting this, I am listening to "Closer." -Nine Inch Nails.

You let me violate you, you let me desecrate you
You let me penetrate you, you let me complicate you
Help me I broke apart my insides, yelp me I’ve got no soul to sell
Help me the only thing that works for me, help me get away from myself

I want to fuck you like an animal
I want to feel you from the inside
I want to fuck you like an animal
My whole existence is flawed
You get me closer to god

You can have my isolation, you can have the hate that it brings
You can have my absence of faith, you can have my everything
Help me tear down my reason, help me it's your sex I can smell
Help me you make me perfect, help me become somebody else
I want to fuck you like an animal
I want to feel you from the inside
I want to fuck you like an animal
My whole existence is flawed
You get me closer to god

Through every forest, above the trees
Within my stomach, scraped off my knees
I drink the honey inside your hive
You are the reason I stay alive

I have heard that song. I love songs that express meaning and have a purpose for existence. Wait...

Some valid points, some not.

My song that may apply here, that I'm listening to..

Styx's "Suite Madame Blue"

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Time after time I sit and 1 wait for your call
I know I'm a fool but why can I say
Whatever the price I'll pay for you, Madame Blue
Once long ago, a word from your lips and the world turned around
But somehow you've changed, you're so far away
I long for the past and dream of the days with you, Madame Blue

Suite Madame Blue, gaze in your looking glass
You're not a child anymore
Suite Madame Blue, the future is all but past
Dressed in your jewels, you made your own rules
You conquered the world and more …………..heaven's door

America....America...America...

Red white and blue, gaze in your looking glass
You're not a child anymore
Red, white, and blue, the future is all but past
So lift up your heart, make a new start
And lead us away from here


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"Red, white, and blue, the future is all but past
So lift up your heart, make a new start
And lead us away from here" Think of it along the lines of destroying our future. And we need to get away from it.

Yeah screw Kerry and his plans to help make medicare more affordable! And letting jobs sail across the pacific! Damn him to hell! And especially Edwards! South Carolina? North Carolina is much better!And curse Kerry for fighting in Nam! Glad he didnt win!
Kerry didn't "fight" in Vietnam. Edwards is from North Carolina. And you obviously have NO idea what you're talking about.

Kerry didn't "fight" in Vietnam.
Then what did he do? Dance?

Kerry didn't "fight" in Vietnam. Edwards is from North Carolina. And you obviously have NO idea what you're talking about.

He was in Vietnam wasn't he. Can't say that for some other people.

Yeah screw Kerry and his plans to help make medicare more affordable! And letting jobs sail across the pacific! Damn him to hell! And especially Edwards! South Carolina? North Carolina is much better!And curse Kerry for fighting in Nam! Glad he didnt win!

So Kerry stubbed his toe, cut himself, and got a few ouchie boo-boos. Why does that make him a war hero?

Then what did he do? Dance?


He was in Vietnam in order to get future political points. You know, the whole JFK pt-109 thing!

He was in Vietnam wasn't he. Can't say that for some other people.


As a reservist. Not like he volunteered to go there, now did he.

So Kerry stubbed his toe, cut himself, and got a few ouchie boo-boos. Why does that make him a war hero?
Excluding, of course, the shrapnel. You know, the steaming hot pieces of metal that tore through his flesh. I wouldn't call him a war hero, but he did go to war and did indeed earn several highly esteemed metals.

Excluding, of course, the shrapnel. You know, the steaming hot pieces of metal that tore through his flesh. I wouldn't call him a war hero, but he did go to war and did indeed earn several highly esteemed metals.

Didn't deserve any of 'em, though. :(

Then what did he do? Dance?
Probably would have been better if he had.

Kerry originally joined the Naval Reserve in an effort to avoid being sent to Vietnam. When his unit was assigned for rotation to Vietnam anyway, Kerry decided to get out as quickly as possible, and get as many medals as he could in the process.

He shot himself twice to get two of his three Purple Hearts, the third one he got from a piece of shrapnel from a misfired grenade. As soon as he got his third Purple Heart he requested reassignment Stateside, something few wounded military personnel do since almost all of them want to get back to their units.

He executed a Viet Cong who was already dying from an ealier gunshot wound and was awarded a Silver Star ( strangely enough with a "V" device ... something not part of the actual award ) for doing so. This is essentially the same act for which a Sergeant in Iraq was recently given 3 years in Levenworth.

I have covered all of these facts about this cowardly bastard in great detail both on this Forum and on my personal Blog, so this is the last post I will make here on this idiot Kerry. If you choose to believe his lies, that's your problem.

Will you never just get over it? Will you never just stop refighting the same lost battles and finally reailze that the majority of Americans wanted President Bush to serve another four years. Will you never just take your own advice and just "moveon.org?"
Tell ya what-When conservatives stop trying to roast Clinton, who hasn't even been president for four years, maybe we'll consider it. But then, giving Bush a free ride just because 'he won' is sort of stupid, now isn't it? It's not like we're going to suddenly agree with everything he does. I mean, would you have just rolled over for Kerry? Before you answer, I give you this:

Even IF President Bush "snorted cocaine," as you alledge ( and I don't believe for one minute that he did ), I would still rather have him as President that a lying, amoral, opportunistic sack of shit like John Kerry! Hell, I would rather have Adolph Hitler as President than that cowardly, conniving, manipulative, medal-hound, betrayer Kerry!
This, of course, speaks legions about you.

Excluding, of course, the shrapnel. You know, the steaming hot pieces of metal that tore through his flesh. I wouldn't call him a war hero, but he did go to war and did indeed earn several highly esteemed metals.

Yes, the shrapnel FROM A ROCKET, fired from HIS OWN BOAT.

That's how they flushed out the Viet Cong army from the brush along the shore. They would randomly fire rockets at the shore, and one of the rockets sent shrapnel back at Kerry.

The other Purple Heart was for some rice that hit his ass when he threw a grenade into a neutral boat (A rice boat)

And I'm not sure what the other was for, but I'm sure it was bullshit as well.

And I'm not sure what the other was for, but I'm sure it was bullshit as well.

Probably a paper cut. :p

This, of course, speaks legions about you.
Actually, it speaks more about you than it does me, since you obviously have difficulty comprehending literary techniques such as hyperbola. That's ok ... we forgive you. :)

He shot himself twice to get two of his three Purple Hearts, the third one he got from a piece of shrapnel from a misfired grenade.
You seriously think he shot himself? Naïveté is not a desirable trait.

He executed a Viet Cong who was already dying from an ealier gunshot wound and was awarded a Silver Star ( strangely enough with a "V" device ... something not part of the actual award ) for doing so. This is essentially the same act for which a Sergeant in Iraq was recently given 3 years in Levenworth.
For shame that he would euthanise a dying man! He most certainly should have left that poor man to die in agony, rather than end his torment! Goddamn all of these merciful people!

As a reservist. Not like he volunteered to go there, now did he.

Not like Bush volunteered to go there. Actually, he probably did volunteer because he is that much of a dumbass, then chickened out for the only two intelligent seconds of his life.

Actually, it speaks more about you than it does me, since you obviously have difficulty comprehending literary techniques such as hyperbola. That's ok ... we forgive you. :)
*Coughs* Umm...you mean hyperbole... A hyperbola is a type of conic section. Good to know you're up on your terminology! Especially when condescendingly insulting others!

THIS JUST IN!

Due to the immense unconditional hatred for President Bush expressed on a small internet forum, George W. Bush has resigned from office, and assigned John Kerry to take his place in office!

Seriously, shut the fuck up, please. Stop complaining about Bush, because he's reelected, and that's final. Nothing you say will undo that. Nothing that one insignificant ass on the internet says will sway 50 million voters. Stop whining, because you'll have another chance in four more years.

Hmm... I seem to remeber snorting a packet of sugar back around the 3rd grade. So maybe it is possible...

no, because the chunks would get caught in your frontal lobe, then you die

no, because the chunks would get caught in your frontal lobe, then you die
That...is anatomically absurd. Unless you were missing parts of your body, that would most certainly not happen.

THIS JUST IN!

Due to the immense unconditional hatred for President Bush expressed on a small internet forum, George W. Bush has resigned from office, and assigned John Kerry to take his place in office!

Lol!!! :D

[quote=Foe Hammer}Seriously, shut the fuck up, please. Stop complaining about Bush, because he's reelected, and that's final. Nothing you say will undo that. Nothing that one insignificant ass on the internet says will sway 50 million voters. Stop whining, because you'll have another chance in four more years.[/QUOTE]

You might want to watch the flaming though, dude. :(

Actually, it speaks more about you than it does me, since you obviously have difficulty comprehending literary techniques such as hyperbola. That's ok ... we forgive you. :)
Really now. Such high ground to be taking. So I suppose you never villianized moveon.org because a member submited an ad comparing Bush to Hitler. Hitler is only a hot button when used by the left, is that it? Even in hyprbole we see a little insight into the man, now don't we....

That's alright-you too are forgiven for the double standard, and your usual technique of avoiding the substance of anyones argument when you can't answer. Things you'll never look at, like this (http://factcheck.org/article244.html) and this (http://factcheck.org/article231.html) from factcheck.org.

But please, don't let facts mar your little hatefest for someone who has already lost the race-be sure not to change or challenge any of your 'paradigms'......

Even in hyprbola we see a little insight into the man, now don't we....
Stop saying hyperbola! The literary device is hyperbole! It ends with an e, not an a!

*Coughs* Umm...you mean hyperbole... A hyperbola is a type of conic section. Good to know you're up on your terminology! Especially when condescendingly insulting others!
Yes, I inadvertantly substituted an "a" for an "e." Please feel free to have me shot at dawn. How does this in any way detract from what I said about John Kerry?

Stop saying hyperbola! The literary device is hyperbole! It ends with an e, not an a!
Sorry, got it (look up, I had changed it while you where typing). It didn't look right to me but I just take peoples word for it on spelling. Lazy speller.

THIS JUST IN!

Due to the immense unconditional hatred for President Bush expressed on a small internet forum, George W. Bush has resigned from office, and assigned John Kerry to take his place in office!

Seriously, shut the fuck up, please. Stop complaining about Bush, because he's reelected, and that's final. Nothing you say will undo that. Nothing that one insignificant ass on the internet says will sway 50 million voters. Stop whining, because you'll have another chance in four more years.

Wow... I have so many things to say I do not even know where to begin and as I type this more keep popping into my head, so please ignore the rant that is about to follow.

democracy free speech becuse if we dont say somehting who will because he shouldnt have bene elected to being with because he si a moron and ppl need to realize this so another moron will never be elected to prez again because he was elected twice which is a feat of hell to begin with b.c fifty milion votes are wrong and dont even realize it b.c if we dont say anythign more ppl like him will be elected b/c if we dont take a stand the world will burn in hell b/c AMERICA HAS THE INTELLIGENCE TO ELECT A FRIGGEN FORMER CRACK ADDICT TO THE PRESIDENCY NOT ONCE BUT TWICE

Yes, I inadvertantly substituted an "a" for an "e." Please feel free to have me shot at dawn. How does this in any way detract from what I said about John Kerry?
Except in that post you where talking about me and avoiding the subject, but thats alright, we're used to it by now.

this (http://factcheck.org/article244.html) and this (http://factcheck.org/article231.html) detract from what you said about Kerry.

Really now. Such high ground to be taking. So I suppose you never villianized moveon.org because a member submited an ad comparing Bush to Hitler. Hitler is only a hot button when used by the left, is that it? Even in hyprbole we see a little insight into the man, now don't we....

That's alright-you too are forgiven for the double standard, and your usual technique of avoiding the substance of anyones argument when you can't answer. Things you'll never look at, like this (http://factcheck.org/article244.html) and this (http://factcheck.org/article231.html) from factcheck.org.

But please, don't let facts mar your little hatefest for someone who has already lost the race-be sure not to change or challenge any of your 'paradigms'......
Well, at least you're right about one thing ... I hate John Kerry with a passion that transcends all rhyme or reason. He's about as close to being a worthless sack of shit as anything can get and still be technically classified as a human being. As a consequence, I have virtually no respect for anyone who defends him.

you can't snort crack.

yes you can, you chop it on a mirror.

Bush is a good President because he takes all the BS from the left and still does his job. He also thinks old Europe is useless which is quite true.

Wow... I have so many things to say I do not even know where to begin and as I type this more keep popping into my head, so please ignore the rant that is about to follow.

democracy free speech becuse if we dont say somehting who will because he shouldnt have bene elected to being with because he si a moron and ppl need to realize this so another moron will never be elected to prez again because he was elected twice which is a feat of hell to begin with b.c fifty milion votes are wrong and dont even realize it b.c if we dont say anythign more ppl like him will be elected b/c if we dont take a stand the world will burn in hell b/c AMERICA HAS THE INTELLIGENCE TO ELECT A FRIGGEN FORMER CRACK ADDICT TO THE PRESIDENCY NOT ONCE BUT TWICE
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1) Spell correctly and use punctuation, because I cannot understand you when you talk at mach 3.

2) There are enough people saying enough things about Bush. All I'm saying is, STOP whining about Bush, because it's fucking pointless. He will not resign just because some 12 year old with an inferiority complex thinks that a crack addict in the '70s is a crack addict today.

3) My brother was a drug addict. He did pot, crack, cocaine, and a few others. He was also an alcholic. He sought help for himself, and he is a much better person today, someone that I would entrust my life and my children to, should something happen to me. Just because someone did drugs does not immediately mean that they are a bad choice for any leadership role. The fact that you assume that recovered addicts are not good leaders really shows your maturity level. I assure you that almost everyone has done something to impair judgement, whether it's drinking or doing drugs, and while a very small amount do not recover, alot more of them move on to become successful people.

4) If you feel that relating Bush's actions in the '70s to his leadership today is just, then I feel it necessary to relate John Kerry's war record to his leadership today. John Kerry shot a Vietnamese child. He also burned down a Vietnamese village. He blew up a neutral rice boat, lied to receive his purple heart, and did practically nothing, as he served a mere four months in Vietnam.

He also flip-flops like a fish out of the water.

John Kerry shot an unarmed Vietnamese boy, and killed him. He never reported it in his report of the action of the day, only after somebody said he saw him do it.

Bush is a good President because he takes all the BS from the left and still does his job. He also thinks old Europe is useless which is quite true.

As a member of the armed services, it's always strangely conflicting in a pride-inspiring way that while i couldn't disagree with what you say more, i will defend to my own death your right to say it.

Well, at least you're right about one thing ... I hate John Kerry with a passion that transcends all rhyme or reason. He's about as close to being a worthless sack of shit as anything can get and still be technically classified as a human being. As a consequence, I have virtually no respect for anyone who defends him.
To the point where you won't even examine your 'paradigm,' we know...

Alright slugger-watch your blood pressure there. I've made my point(you remember, the one you dodged?) and you've managed to nail it home. My work is done here.

Will you never just get over it? Will you never just stop refighting the same lost battles and finally reailze that the majority of Americans wanted President Bush to serve another four years. Will you never just take your own advice and just "moveon.org?"

Even IF President Bush "snorted cocaine," as you alledge ( and I don't believe for one minute that he did ), I would still rather have him as President that a lying, amoral, opportunistic sack of shit like John Kerry! Hell, I would rather have Adolph Hitler as President than that cowardly, conniving, manipulative, medal-hound, betrayer Kerry!


How old are you? The above quote is one of the most ridiculous things I've heard in a long time, and i work with people who have schizophrenia.

Your preference for Adolph Hitler and Bush are striking. I mean, the fact that you can like both at the same time, makes me think that some of our left wing thoughts may be true: Bush is the Neo Hitler (in the making).
With all the - Right wing Christian Revival (Hitler had a spiritual revival as well)
With the terrorism scare - (Hitler had the Jews to blame)
Hitler had the SS - Bush is telling the CIA that they can not opose his viewpoints.

The difference between US and pre WWII Germany is that Germany had 0 Geld (money). People were starving to death and they were blamed for WWI.
So you a starving guilt ridden nation, and someone tells them that the Jews did it. So they try to kill them all to free themselves.

In the US our economy is better than that of old Germany. But if Bush had his way there would be 1 religion, 0 gays, 0 rights for women, and him and his cronies would be the only ones with money.

I will bash all of the Bushes until they are no more. And to hell with his staff, republicans and all the right wing evangelicals.

peace out

I will bash all of the Bushes until they are no more. And to hell with his staff, republicans and all the right wing evangelicals.

peace out
You mean "peace" only for those with whom you agree, don't you? :D

Wow... I have so many things to say I do not even know where to begin and as I type this more keep popping into my head, so please ignore the rant that is about to follow.

democracy free speech becuse if we dont say somehting who will because he shouldnt have bene elected to being with because he si a moron and ppl need to realize this so another moron will never be elected to prez again because he was elected twice which is a feat of hell to begin with b.c fifty milion votes are wrong and dont even realize it b.c if we dont say anythign more ppl like him will be elected b/c if we dont take a stand the world will burn in hell b/c AMERICA HAS THE INTELLIGENCE TO ELECT A FRIGGEN FORMER CRACK ADDICT TO THE PRESIDENCY NOT ONCE BUT TWICE

BTW crack was not around back in the 70's (i should know), we did a thing called free basing. BTW do you have any proof he actually did cocaine? How about Clinton? Why did he not release his physicals?

you can't snort crack.
Depends on whose crack you want to snort, I suppose.

I would rather have Adolph Hitler as President than that cowardly, conniving, manipulative, medal-hound, betrayer Kerry!
Another classic. It's going in my signature.

I would rather have Adolph Hitler as President than that cowardly, conniving, manipulative, medal-hound, betrayer Kerry!

You do. Are you happy?

Will you never just get over it? Will you never just stop refighting the same lost battles and finally reailze that the majority of Americans wanted President Bush to serve another four years. Will you never just take your own advice and just "moveon.org?"

. . .



Yeah... no criticizing the "president" for four more years... after all, this is a "democracy"! :rolleyes:

Just an fyi, medals handed out in Vietnam were called "gongs" as they were given out like prizes. If you got scratched in a whore house, you might have been given a Purple Heart for it.

I would never want Hitler, Stalin, or any of those other dictators to run America.

I think a country has gone to hell when someone can say this: Hell, I would rather have Adolph Hitler as President than that cowardly, conniving, manipulative, medal-hound, betrayer Kerry!

Although my own president sucks too... well, the congress is to blame!!

Viva Mexico Cabrones!

BTW, if you think 50 million US citizens (I refuse to refer to them as 'Americans', my country is in the CONTINENT America too) are the only ones who suffer under Bush, take look around: the whole world hates him!

Keep on fighting democrats! The world realizes that your country is at its best when one of you rule.

So there!

wow... this was one of the most inane conversations I've ever read. Thank you for reafferming my distaste for politics, distrust for people's reasoning power and grasp of reality in general.

Have a good night

wow... this was one of the most inane conversations I've ever read. Thank you for reafferming my distaste for politics, distrust for people's reasoning power and grasp of reality in general.

Have a good night

LOL
Oh, but you read it!!

Though I think you are right... that's what my mother taught me: "never argue about politics, sex and religion with people you don't know"

But hey, I wasn't a good son!

Will you never just get over it? Will you never just stop refighting the same lost battles and finally reailze that the majority of Americans wanted President Bush to serve another four years. Will you never just take your own advice and just "moveon.org?"

Voting age American population (in 2000, it will be even more by now): 209,128,094
Number of Voters in 2004 Election: 115.7 million approx.
Therefore Number of Americans who didn't vote (judged by population then): 93,428,094

This means that over 44% of Americans DIDN'T vote in the 2004 elections. So whether or not Bush is actually that popular we won't know - I suspect that many of those who didn't vote decided neither of the candidates would make good Presidents. We won't know, but if Kerry's as bad as you make out...

I would still rather have him as President that a lying, amoral, opportunistic sack of shit like John Kerry! Hell, I would rather have Adolph Hitler as President than that cowardly, conniving, manipulative, medal-hound, betrayer Kerry!

I sincerely doubt that. Anyway, I doubt what Kerry's done can be much worse than Bush - his naiveity (sp?) forcing troops into a stalemate position in Iraq - causing to deaths by attrition. At least that is true, I don't know about Kerry's Vietnam stories....

Voting age American population (in 2000, it will be even more by now): 209,128,094
Number of Voters in 2004 Election: 115.7 million approx.
Therefore Number of Americans who didn't vote (judged by population then): 93,428,094

This means that over 44% of Americans DIDN'T vote in the 2004 elections. So whether or not Bush is actually that popular we won't know - I suspect that many of those who didn't vote decided neither of the candidates would make good Presidents. We won't know, but if Kerry's as bad as you make out...


THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!

I keep trying to point this fact out on this forum and it just keeps getting ignored or glossed over. But I suspect the off-handed arguement back is that if they don't vote they aren't "good" Americans. FTS!

It isn't 51% of all Americans. Just those who CHOOSE to cast a vote in what passes for an election in this country. Think the disillusioned don't have a voice? Wrong! They're just waiting for a candidate that's worth a shit! It would be damned funny if we ever had an election in which everyone did come out and vote. The polls would probably shut down because they couldn't handle the amount of people who would show up.