NationStates Jolt Archive

Well, seeing how there are all these fasinating dead languages out there, i wondered what the more civilized among us speaks(or would like to speak). Now, im sure most of you have ne'er even HEARD of most of these languages, but I might as well give it a shot!

Gothic.

Punic here! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punic)
Well, i don't actually SPEAK it but i wanna!

Punic here! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punic)
Well, i don't actually SPEAK it but i wanna!
If you are this facinated by it at least avoid using the Roman word for Phoenician. :p

I knew a rather large amount of Latin when I was in highschool -- to the point where my best friend and I could carry on conversations in it.

Latin is ancient but not dead...

Latin is ancient but not dead...
No. It's still on lifesupport.

No. It's still on lifesupport.
It is the language of the universal Church. It shall forever live on.

It is the language of the universal Church. It shall forever live on.
I'm in favor of euthanasia.

I'm in favor of euthanasia.
Is that the totally random heresy of this thread?

Latin is ancient but not dead...

No, it's dead. Every so often someone like the church zaps it and it twitches a bit, but it's pretty much dead.

No, it's dead. Every so often someone like the church zaps it and it twitches a bit, but it's pretty much dead.
No, its alive.

Is that the totally random heresy of this thread?

Oh no, you kidding? We could do so much better.

Is that the totally random heresy of this thread?
No. Just my opinion. Latin should be put out of it's misery.

No, its alive.

Yeah, just like a chicken with it's head off. It's moving, therefore it's alive. Right?

(I'm enjoying this far more then I should...)

Latin

on a sidenote, i had a friend learning gaelic

I'd like to learn the spoken language of the ancient Egyptians (I forget what it's called).

No. Just my opinion. Latin should be put out of it's misery.
As long as the Church stands, so will Latin.

I'd like to learn the spoken language of the ancient Egyptians (I forget what it's called).
Egyptian? Hieroglyphic?

As long as the Church stands, so will Latin.

Well, you know what we have to do then :D

Mayan. So I could deciper the pyramids.

Egyptian? Hieroglyphic?

Nah ... the spoken language ... not the pretty pictures ... that's middle kingdom ... I'm thinkin' old kingdom ... back in Moses' day.

There's a word for it and I've forgotten it. I'll look it up ...

Nah ... the spoken language ... not the pretty pictures ... that's middle kingdom ... I'm thinkin' old kingdom ... back in Moses' day.

There's a word for it and I've forgotten it. I'll look it up ...
But they also speak in pictures. I've seen them do it in Asterix.

Well, you know what we have to do then :D
...and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

...and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Ok. Then we'll use a bulldozer instead of gates.

...and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Gates? Dude, I've noticed it's mostly christians who live in the gated communities. At least around here.

Although you might've meant...yeah, yeah, I see it now. I dunno. I mean, microsoft reeks of evil from time to time but...satanic? Dunno man.



(Pssst-I think hell's a bit more high tech now. You might wanna worry about the nukes of hell, or the moonbase "la-sers" of hell)

Ok. Then we'll use a bulldozer instead of gates.
You cannot destroy a Divine Mystical Institution with a mere bulldozer. :rolleyes:

The Latin Church shall serve the Holy Trinity in saecula saeculorum...

You cannot destroy a Divine Mystical Institution with a mere bulldozer. :rolleyes:

The Latin Church shall serve the Holy Trinity in saecula saeculorum...
It's not just any bulldozer. It's the magical, purple bulldozer. It will send those who look upon it into a trance and they will renounce the desert deity and start worhip the migty purple bulldozer.

It's not just any bulldozer. It's the magical, purple bulldozer. It will send those who look upon it into a trance and they will renounce the desert deity and start worhip the migty purple bulldozer.
Is this what the heretics have gone down to? :rolleyes:

You cannot destroy a Divine Mystical Institution with a mere bulldozer. :rolleyes:
Oh, but it isn't a mere bulldozer. It's the bulldozer of hell!


The Latin Church shall serve the Holy Trinity in saecula saeculorum...
I wish I knew what you said, but since latin is a dead language, I don't.

Gates? Dude, I've noticed it's mostly christians who live in the gated communities. At least around here.

Although you might've meant...yeah, yeah, I see it now. I dunno. I mean, microsoft reeks of evil from time to time but...satanic? Dunno man.



(Pssst-I think hell's a bit more high tech now. You might wanna worry about the nukes of hell, or the moonbase "la-sers" of hell)

I dunno, MicroSloth can be pretty Satanic when it wants to be.. *pokes Windows 2000*

Is this what the heretics have gone down to? :rolleyes:

I dunno man. I saw this one heretic the other day, he was all like "Oh man, the jews are controlling everything!" I mean, he was like, MAD crazy heretic.

Is this what the heretics have gone down to? :rolleyes:
To what? And i'm not a heretic. I'm a pagan. Well, still studying it. Who worshipps the gods of his ancestors instead of that illegal immigrant.

To what? And i'm not a heretic. I'm a pagan. Well, still studying it. Who worshipps the gods of his ancestors instead of that illegal immigrant.
Infidel then...
The "gods of his ancestors" bug is an unfortunately growing worm within the WN cause.

Infidel then...
The "gods of his ancestors" bug is an unfortunately growing worm within the WN cause.
I assume you mean White Nationalists. I'm not a WN. Kinda hard to join them if your not white.

Hey TLS

Latin and maybe: Ancient Greek, Coptic, Hieroglyphics

I assume you mean White Nationalists. I'm not a WN. Kinda hard to join them if your not white.
So then what is your race and location?

So then what is your race and location?
German/Fillipino living in the Netherlands. Whats yours?

German/Fillipino living in the Netherlands. Whats yours?
A mongrel infidel in Christendom...

A mongrel infidel in Christendom...
:D :D :D :D :D :D
Take your Christendom and stick it up your arse.

:D :D :D :D :D :D
Take your Christendom and stick it up your arse.
A resentful heretic in Christendom... biting the hand that serves you...

A resentful heretic in Christendom... biting the hand that serves you...
The hand that serves me? What hand would that be?

I speak Latin pretty well.

The hand that serves me? What hand would that be?
Your welfare state you thrive off of? Or is there some other reason you could not remain a heathen in the Philippines and had to manifest yourself within Christendom?

Your welfare state you thrive off of? Or is there some other reason you could not remain a heathen in the Philippines and had to manifest yourself within Christendom?
No. Me like pretty little white girls. Good sucky.

Warning! Warning! Please do not feed the troll. :)

I'm honestly not sure if Defensor believes what he says, or if he's very very good at satire.

Hey Defensor. I'm Jewish! BRING IT.

I would like to know Gaylic. It's not dead yet, but it's close.

Warning! Warning! Please do not feed the troll. :)

I'm honestly not sure if Defensor believes what he says, or if he's very very good at satire.

Hey Defensor. I'm Jewish! BRING IT.
Bring what, Jew?

Bring what, Jew?

Your asinine rhetoric. :D

Your asinine rhetoric. :D
Watch it. Or he might bury you with Bible shit.

No. Me like pretty little white girls. Good sucky.

Whoh, whoh, you ditched Filipino girl girls for white ones?

What the hell?

Filthy Jew...

Oh, come on. I know you can do better then that.

arameic (sp?)

Whoh, whoh, you ditched Filipino girl girls for white ones?

What the hell?



Oh, come on. I know you can do better then that.
And what is your race and location then, are you a Jew or Filipino?

And what is your race and location then, are you a Jew or Filipino?

I'm a damn proud race-mixing white boy in california, and no I'm not jew. But I've been eating christian white babies in hopes I can join up.

I'm a damn proud race-mixing white boy in california, and no I'm not jew. But I've been eating christian white babies in hopes I can join up.
Sorry, but they still won't let a goy join in.
Such fools on that coast...

Sorry, but they still won't let a goy join in.
Such fools on that coast...

Bah, it's ok, I've developed a taste for it and the blood of white christian middle class virgins anyways.

And yeah, there are a lot of idiots over here. So what's YOUR location nazinoob?

Bah, it's ok, I've developed a taste for it and the blood of white christian middle class virgins anyways.

And yeah, there are a lot of idiots over here. So what's YOUR location nazinoob?
You at least admit you live as a deluded idiot in a land of idiots...

You at least admit you live as a deluded idiot in a land of idiots...

Location, nazinoob. What's the matter, afraid of us?

Location, nazinoob. What's the matter, afraid of us?
And why do you wish to know my location now?

And why do you wish to know my location now?

I dunno. Curious. I might go on vacation soon. Wanna know where I shouldn't go.

What's wrong? Why not say it? You're scared? Of us? Of me?

I would love to learn Cornish it would be a cool cause onlt 3500 people speak it.

Latinus Dixi, non ita bene

P.S. - Despite what the church says, Latin is dead.

I speak Irish, which is not quite a dead language on account of it being compulsory everywhere in this country. It's handy for speaking in code if you go abroad, but not much use for anything else since everyone who speaks Irish speaks English. Heritage schmeritage.

Latinus Dixi, non ita bene

P.S. - Despite what the church says, Latin is dead.
The Church uses Latin in performing all liturgical functions as well as administration. And the Church is universal, being a worldwide (and Heavenly) institution.

I'd like to learn Greek...

Latin will not disappear. Psuedointellectuals love using it when they're trying to sound intelligent. I could never understand that.

< Atheist, for any furture reference.

I'm pretty sure I could argue that God has forbidden universal languages (the story of the Tower of Babel comes to mind) at least as strongly as one could argue he has forbidden anything else... but then, I'm a dirty Jew. I'd much rather count my money and scheme against goyim. Well, actually, since it's the sabbath, I'd better not. I want to save my energy for the gentile-baby-killing fest in the morning!

:rolleyes:

(No I'm not serious about the baby-killing! Yeesh!)

I am currently learning ancient Sumerian,and ancient Assyry-Babylonian. Both of which long since dead.
But Sumerian is top priotity, and also hasn't been spoken since before the Old Testament was thought up.

well....know ancient greek dialects and aramaic dialects from new trestament days.....studies hermaneutics.......umm..want to learn sumerian......i am currently learning latin.....want to be able to know OLD english (not middle)

If you are this facinated by it at least avoid using the Roman word for Phoenician. :p

Punic is a totally different language, its just REALLY similar to phoenician(think of it like Italian and Spanish. Nearly exactly the same! And yes, Spanish for some reason is more related to italian than portugese....)

It is the language of the universal Church. It shall forever live on.

hmm. A universal church whose holy book was an account written in hebrew, of aramaic verbal tradition, copied in greek, and translated thence to latin to reach the masses. makes sense to me.

Punic is a totally different language, its just REALLY similar to phoenician(think of it like Italian and Spanish. Nearly exactly the same! And yes, Spanish for some reason is more related to italian than portugese....)

and as a linguist, i can confidently say that anyone who's seen portuguese spelling next to spanish and italian knows why...

hmm. A universal church whose holy book was an account written in hebrew, of aramaic verbal tradition, copied in greek, and translated thence to latin to reach the masses. makes sense to me.
Yes, Latin is the universal language of the Church.

The Church uses Latin in performing all liturgical functions as well as administration. And the Church is universal, being a worldwide (and Heavenly) institution.

and yet the only benediction, invocation and consecration they use is hebrew. interesting.

I'd like to learn Latin, whether or not it is a dead (or dying) language. Stupid public school didn't have it as a choice when I took the compulsary language classes.

and yet the only benediction, invocation and consecration they use is hebrew. interesting.
What are you talking about?

What are you talking about?

i'm talking about the word "Amen."

it's a hebrew cognate.

What are you talking about?

"Hebrew, n. A male Jew, as distinguished from the Shebrew, an altogether superior creation"
-Ambrose Bierce

hmm. A universal church whose holy book was an account written in hebrew, of aramaic verbal tradition, copied in greek, and translated thence to latin to reach the masses. makes sense to me.


Greek was the language of the new testament, not aramaic....repeat after me....the new testament was written in greek.....VERY GOOD
:headbang:

i'm talking about the word "Amen."

it's a hebrew cognate.
Okay... WHAT IS YOUR POINT?

...and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Aw, they made that nazi guy reduce his font size. Tsk tsk.
I guess I'm to blame for that. It was too obnoxious anyways.

Greek was the language of the new testament, not aramaic....repeat after me....the new testament was written in greek.....VERY GOOD
:headbang:

The old testament was transcribed from Hebrew to Greek during the classical era, because of the preservative doctrine Greece adopted regarding all knowledge. The Greek Old Testament was a compilation of several texts that was then publicized and sanctioned by the Roman Emperor Constantine. Because the base of support came from this Papist regime set down by the Romans, the language of the clerical cognicenti was latin, though the greek texts remained and were recopied alongside the latin until the Arab expansion made Mediterranean culture unpopular in the Middle Ages and Latin, the remaining bastion of European expansionism became the flagship for the church. Trust me, kiddo, i'm a linguist; i know what i'm talking about.

Myself, I am teaching myself to speak, read, and write Japanese. I can say it is the most difficult thing I have ever done, especially because I am doing it from a few books, and I never can know if I am right or wrong. However, my high school does not offer Japanese... It is not in the norm in this area (so I'm weird... 9-9;;). Consequently, I take Spanish I, as well. If anyone would like to learn a language that is easy as can be, Spanish is it.

Defensor Fidei, I cannot help but notice the position you have put yourself into. You are being ganged up on, and that is unfair to you. The people in this thread are so horrifyingly shallow... Civilized discussion my arse. 'Jew, Heathen, Atheist, Catholic!' How disgusting. I refuse to take sides. However, Defensor, I do sympathize with you in some ways... My views are like nothing others are used to, so I am often cut down and demeaned for it, put on the stand. Left alone there.

I want no sympathy points for myself. As corny and idealistic as this sounds, I hope that everyone understands how behaviour such as this really can hurt people... Gosh, I sound like one of those lecturers (how embarrassing). 'Now, now, children, do not hit each other because it is bad.' But, please, take this into consideration. And people wonder why our world is falling apart...

Defensor, I have come to aid thee.

First off, I'm a Baptist, I sing hymns in the faces of my Muslim teachers, and everyone else at school.

I give sermons at Lunch. Usually about fire and brimstone. But there's the occasional "Jews aren't all that bad" speech.

I think that homosexuality is against the laws of God and nature.

I also do not think that Latin is "dead" persay... the body may be, but the brain's in a jar deep within the Vatican... (And a few neurons at Princeton)

And, I live in Los Angeles, California.

BWAHAHAHA!!! GRINGO POTHER! LATINO POTHER! GERMAN POTHER!!! YEAH!!!

Aw, they made that nazi guy reduce his font size. Tsk tsk.
I guess I'm to blame for that. It was too obnoxious anyways.
Such mature "atheist" folk... :rolleyes:

What i dont get is how my language post degraded down into a religious fist-fight...

Where did I go wrong? I thought the dead-language title would specify that this thread is about LANGUAGES, now whose religion pwnz whose religion.

Although if it WERE a religion argument, Go Islam! *pulls out foam finger*

Oh, and im 13 now :D Happy birthday to me, happy birthday to me!

Okay... WHAT IS YOUR POINT?

Oh nothing. Take that crow out of your mouth and go back to whatever you were doing before. Unless it's proselytising, in which case there are far nobler crusades you might heroically die in... on other threads, please...

Oh nothing. Take that crow out of your mouth and go back to whatever you were doing before. Unless it's proselytising, in which case there are far nobler crusades you might heroically die in... on other threads, please...
The roots of the word of the "Amen," I am curious as to why you found this so important to point out. As well as please clarify your senseless comments:
and yet the only benediction, invocation and consecration they use is hebrew. interesting.

I'd have to say English. If you've ever spoken to someone under 25 you know what I mean.

Just because you claim to be a linguist doesn't mean you know everything. You are not the be-all and end-all of linguistic knowledge. What you say does not neccessarily have to be correct just because it comes from your mouth.

Anyone who's wondering(as there seem to be a few) the ancient egyptian language is called kemetic. If I remember correctly it's derived for the ancient name for Egypt. I myself would like to learn it though I doubt I will and, also ancient sumerian perhaps or maybe even old slavic as it is the tongue of my ancestors.

Defensor, still waiting for a location.

Just because you claim to be a linguist doesn't mean you know everything. You are not the be-all and end-all of linguistic knowledge. What you say does not neccessarily have to be correct just because it comes from your mouth.

Nope, but in an environment where your credibility dictates the weight your arguments carry, it makes me more credible than someone who spouts an uninformed flame.

Nope, but in an environment where your credibility dictates the weight your arguments carry, it makes me more credible than someone who spouts an uninformed flame.

And what branch of Linguistics did you study? Where?
I'd really like toknow as I am currently studying Linguistics.

And what branch of Linguistics did you study? Where?
I'd really like toknow as I am currently studying Linguistics.

i'm studying Cryptology and Interpretation for Communicative Applications with the US Navy at the Monterey Institute.

i'm studying Cryptology and Interpretation for Communicative Applications with the US Navy at the Monterey Institute.

Ah, cool.
But I thought Cryptology was a feild of mathematics.
And I understand from my professors, that in order to call yourself a Linguist you have to have at least a degree in the feild.

Ah, cool.
But I thought Cryptology was a feild of mathematics.
And I understand from my professors, that in order to call yourself a Linguist you have to have at least a degree in the feild.

That applies to civilans, i'm sure; but i've had military training, and i earned the job title: Cryptologist, Technician, Interpreter, or CTI, for short. i'm a military linguist by their own description; if i was just academia, it might be different, i don't know, but i can tell you i've had plenty of studies; they make sure we know our stuff. Cryptology is also a field of mathematics, but only as it applies to data encryption any more, really. As far as verbal communication goes, we just use foreign languages since about WWII, when we started using Navaho. That's not to say encryption doesn't get used; it does, but that's for the IT guys.

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i'd learn Esperanto, probably. i like the idea.

Classical Latin, Greek, Persian and Sanskrit so I can help tackle Indo European and Proto IE.

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Huh what? Oh! :P

Did I ever answer the original question? Hmm... Personally, I'd like to learn as many languages as I can get away with. Ancient languages that particularly intrigue me are Old English (as in Beowulf, not Shakespeare--he spoke Early Modern English) and Old French (nominative and oblique noun cases, yay!)

It doesn't matter that the Catholic Church doesn't use Latin any more. Bits and pieces of it still appear all over the English language. That's why my school still offers Latin courses even though I'm in a rather Jewish school district. I've noticed that many who learn it seem to get better SAT scores.

For the record, I'm neither Catholic nor Jewish. I do not speak Latin.

Go Esperanto! :)

It doesn't matter that the Catholic Church doesn't use Latin any more. Bits and pieces of it still appear all over the English language. That's why my school still offers Latin courses even though I'm in a rather Jewish school district. I've noticed that many who learn it seem to get better SAT scores.

For the record, I'm neither Catholic nor Jewish. I do not speak Latin.

Go Esperanto! :)
The Catholic Church still uses Latin in performing all liturgical functions as well as administration, and it always will.

The Catholic Church still uses Latin in performing all liturgical functions as well as administration, and it always will.

Well, the administration has to be international.

It doesn't matter that the Catholic Church doesn't use Latin any more. Bits and pieces of it still appear all over the English language. That's why my school still offers Latin courses even though I'm in a rather Jewish school district. I've noticed that many who learn it seem to get better SAT scores.

For the record, I'm neither Catholic nor Jewish. I do not speak Latin.

Go Esperanto! :)


Esperanto isn't an ancient or dead language though, I don't think it even qualifies as a creole.

Atlantean!

I speak and read a half dead language, Irish-Gaelic, my son reads Latin and keeps his secret diary in Latin has kept it in Latin since the age of 15 when I got him his first long awaited Latin text.
I speak one rare language, Bosnian, and two common languages, English and Spanish.
I would love to learn Gothic as it is the bridge language between Celtic and Germanic languages. I would also like to know more Sanskrit, I have some working knowlege of that language.
Another dead language I'd like to know is Tocharian.

Esperanto isn't an ancient or dead language though, I don't think it even qualifies as a creole.

Esperanto is really popular in former East Block countries. I don't know why this is.
Latin DOES up your SAT scores, and it's really useful if you take any medical courses.
I did take some Latin early on, at the Middle School level, in a public school and it helped me wade through medical terminology with a nice A instead of having trouble like the other people in class...
You can listen to Latin radio programs from the Vatican and of all places Finland, which has a large number of amateur Latinists.

Etruscan.

Aramaic ... so I can talk to Jesus when he turns up.

Eastern Livonian. The Livonian language already has one foot in the grave - it's not actively used anywhere. It's Fenno-Ugric, but with heavy Baltic influence. The immediate impression is "hell, it's Baltic", but when you listen, you see it's a Fennic language: "Älä ashtu siänden pääle!" = Don't step on the mushrooms!

It has an intonation, not found in the Finnish language. Its "speaking mechanism" is like Estonian.

Virtual Livonia - some sound samples. http://homepage.mac.com/uldis/livonia/livonia.html

"Vanataat" = old father...

english was good when it was around. now its all spanglish and ebonics.

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I changed my mind......I would love to learn Sindarian is their anywhere u could learn to speak it? (yeah I know it's a made up language)

I know a bit of ancient Sumerian, but I want to learn more, sadly, I've been too lazy, huzzah.

I would love to speak Latin and Greek, particularly, because I'm interested in etymology and those two languages in particular have had a lot of influence on English. I can read a few hieroglyphic symbols but it takes years to learn, apparently...wouldn't mind being able to read/speak that as well (although I think the phonetic speech aspect of that is still largely guesswork!)

Allemonde, there is a site that has a lot info on Middle-Earth languages. They have a course in Qenya but none in Sindarin, unfortunately. It's called Ardalambion. Might be worth a look! :) http://www.uib.no/People/hnohf/

Sumerian, Akkadian, Egyptian

Ancient Greek, but they didn't teach it in my school, because I was gonna be the only student :(

Latin would be a handy one to learn as so many European languages have large parts derived from it, you can often make sense of enough bits of French/Italian/Spanish etc to get about.

Though I'd love to know Mayan and decipher their texts.

I'd really like to learn Phoenician, mainly because I've recently developed a fascination of Carthage and its history, and knowing how to speak the language would make me have a huuuuge ego. Plus I think it'd be pretty cool. Like speaking in code, 'cause few people'd be able to understand it.

God, all of them.

Esp. Ancient Greek, which I'm teaching myself, with limited success, since they kicked me out because of my punctuality issue. Bastards.

I would love to learn one of the pre-columbian American languages, preferably from South America, as that is where I live. The problem is that either there is no record of the language, or the language is alive and well, so it is either impossible, or does not fit in this poll.

I'll probably end up studying Tupi-Guarani, which is still widely spoken in Paraguay.

That sounds coool.

Latin.

I want to learn this other one, but nobody knows how to speak it. It was used in ancient europe and asia waaaaaaaay before any of these. But then the others began to derive from it, and it was lost.

What is it?

Wow!

Looks like someone brought my thread back to life :D

I'd like to learn Latin and Norse

voted for other NA. i'm part cherokee so i'd like to learn the language. but its kind of in a tie with latin. :)

I know Babylonian, Phoencian, Egyptian, Sumerian, Nabatean, and Arabic, not to mention Latin

Ancient Greek

Latin I already learned in High School and college

Gaelic, I just love it, I mean how awesome is it to say Pogma thone?

that language that gandalf spoke to the moth in lord of the rings when he was on top of saruman's tower

</wit>

Latin and Greek, complete with five years of rust.

Anyone want tyo know Gaelic. I will teach... for a price....

I'd like to learn Latin and Ancient Greek because I like history.

I'd like to learn Welsh cos I'm half Welsh.

I'd like to learn Hebrew cos I'm half Jewish.

I'd like to learn Quechua cos I've been to Peru and it's fascinating because of how it has survived to be spoken by significant numbers of people in Peru and Bolivia.

it is pog mo thone by the way... (amadain/ iomlan tusa)

I'd love to learn Latin, since it's the language that a good portion of Western languages are derived from. Besides, having been in the school choir (glee club, if you prefer; I personally hate that term), I've sung a good number of songs in Latin...and it sounds so freakin' awesome.

I already know Latin, but I'd like to learn Hittite, and possibly Linear B as well.

I know Babylonian, Phoencian, Egyptian, Sumerian, Nabatean, and Arabic, not to mention Latin

OOOOOOOOH Phoenician!

Where did ye learn it?!?!?!??!?!?!

it is pog mo thone by the way... (amadain/ iomlan tusa)
thank you for the correction, but how would you teach me over the net? And what sort of price are you talking?