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Just interested in hearing opinions on what would happen if one of the two greatest allies collided....

*cries hysterically*
Why do people feel the need to start these threads? The USA has an army many times bigger than Israels, their army is probably bigger than the entire Israeli population. America also has more nukes. No way Israel could win. This is so pointless, its probably spam.

America would stop sending Israel equipment. All the Arabs would simultaneously invade. It'd probably be a tie, but just in case it wasn't, Israel would nuke everything in the Middle East into nothing.

*cries hysterically*
Why do people feel the need to start these threads? The USA has an army many times bigger than Israels, their army is probably bigger than the entire Israeli population. America also has more nukes. No way Israel could win. This is so pointless, its probably spam.

Well hell being bored and depressed is not fun........... :) Mind you strange things happen in war...... :eek:

Israel already wholly controls the USA.

Israel already wholly controls the USA.

Wasn't that a quote similar to what Sharon said? He is a fat evil Pig IMHO...

*cries hysterically*
Why do people feel the need to start these threads? The USA has an army many times bigger than Israels, their army is probably bigger than the entire Israeli population. America also has more nukes. No way Israel could win. This is so pointless, its probably spam.

Sanctaphranx... that is the most stupidest thing you have ever said.

What type of war are we talking about? Do they have to occupy the country or just defeat the army? Are they using their full resources? Who gets first attack?

Either way it wouldn't matter, and ignoring Political stuff, American would win.

But they would take heavy losses... they would ahve to pull all their men from the world to defeat them. And occupying the country? Forget about it... American would barely last a week in Israel.

Now.. If we include Tactical Nukes... Israel would probably win. But only if the nuke the navy mainly, plus the outposts near them.

Without Nukes Israel and America would both lose in their own ways.

Just be happy Japan and Germany arent allowed armies.... they are just as capable of doing severe damage as Israel is.

In short.. i'm assuming Full Out War, no occupation and no nukes.

American wins with heavy losses...



But in reality they would never go to war with eachother for tons of reasons other then losses...

Wasn't that a quote similar to what Sharon said? He is a fat evil Pig IMHO...
During an argument between the Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and Foreign Minister Shimon Peres, Peres said that Isralis' policies of continued violence might "turn the US against us". To this Sharon retorted:

"EVERY TIME WE DO SOMETHING, YOU TELL ME AMERICANS WILL DO THIS AND WILL DO THAT. I WANT TO MAKE SOMETHING VERY CLEAR: DON'T WORRY ABOUT AMERICAN PRESSURE ON ISRAEL;

WE, THE JEWISH PEOPLE, CONTROL AMERICA. AND THE AMERICANS KNOW IT."

-- Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon

You guys aren't giving the credit Isreal deserves. In the 70's i think it was when all them abrab countries around it tryed to invade it. Well, not only did the Israelis beat off the attack, the also took sini and several miles into the other nations as well. Sure America would win, but Isreal wouldn't go down with out a fight :sniper: :mp5: The only reason why Isreal doesnt just take over West Bank, and Gaza is becouse America tells them not to.

During an argument between the Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and Foreign Minister Shimon Peres, Peres said that Isralis' policies of continued violence might "turn the US against us". To this Sharon retorted:

"EVERY TIME WE DO SOMETHING, YOU TELL ME AMERICANS WILL DO THIS AND WILL DO THAT. I WANT TO MAKE SOMETHING VERY CLEAR: DON'T WORRY ABOUT AMERICAN PRESSURE ON ISRAEL;

WE, THE JEWISH PEOPLE, CONTROL AMERICA. AND THE AMERICANS KNOW IT."

-- Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon

yeah thats it, and its strange and sad that many Americans read this and still support *srael...

During an argument between the Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and Foreign Minister Shimon Peres, Peres said that Isralis' policies of continued violence might "turn the US against us". To this Sharon retorted:

"EVERY TIME WE DO SOMETHING, YOU TELL ME AMERICANS WILL DO THIS AND WILL DO THAT. I WANT TO MAKE SOMETHING VERY CLEAR: DON'T WORRY ABOUT AMERICAN PRESSURE ON ISRAEL;

WE, THE JEWISH PEOPLE, CONTROL AMERICA. AND THE AMERICANS KNOW IT."

-- Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon

I think we'd all like it if you could you back that up with a source?

Do you have a link for that?

Not a conspiratist one... a normal one. -.-

indeed, a link would be nice.

and the US would win, hands down. Similar equipment and strategy/tatics, the US has the sheer weight of numbers. It'd be like China invading Bhutan, but not as fast.

yeah thats it, and its strange and sad that many Americans read this and still support *srael... There is a huge difference between supporting Israel and supporting Sharon. Try not to confuse the two.

We all acknowledge that American would win... But it depends on the scenario still.

Can i take politics into the equation?
American using full army? If not what arent they using?
Nukes allowed?
Do they have to occupy?

I would wanna find out who the two dumb jews are who voted for option one. America would completely destroy israel if there was such a war. In fact pretty every european power as well can crush israel too.

The Israelies barely support Sharon... only reason we havent ousted him, is because.. who are we going to replace him with? need another party with power...

I would wanna find out who the two dumb jews are who voted for option one. America would completely destroy israel if there was such a war. In fact pretty every european power as well can crush israel too.


ROFL Europe... and war? They can barely take care of Kosovo and you expect them to take care of Israel? LMAO

Depending on your belief Isreal will still be around till the end one way or another. Isreal has been destroyed as a country before but it has been rebuilt so either way there will be an Isreal. Depending on your belief.

There is a huge difference between supporting Israel and supporting Sharon. Try not to confuse the two.

Alas I won't support *srael while it remains the counterfeit nation that it is.

Depending on your belief Isreal will still be around till the end one way or another. Isreal has been destroyed as a country before but it has been rebuilt so either way there will be an Isreal. Depending on your belief.

Correction Israel was destroyed, this new nation of *srael is a counterfeit nation. A fake Nation, built on lies.

ROFL Europe... and war? They can barely take care of Kosovo and you expect them to take care of Israel? LMAO

Not if a state of total war was declared against israel

Correction Israel was destroyed, this new nation of *srael is a counterfeit nation. A fake Nation, built on lies.


... *gulps down the red pill*

Lies?..wha...wha..what do you mean? Are you telling me Santa doesnt exist?!

please tell me... how is Israel fake. this should be fun.

Correction Israel was destroyed, this new nation of *srael is a counterfeit nation. A fake Nation, built on lies.

But it is still Jewish as it was before. Same belief. Same type of people. Same area. Same nation. Besides, how can you have a fake nation?

Not if a state of total war was declared against israel


... You mean commiting Genocide and nukes? In case you didn't know, Most Israelis own guns... and having been in the military know how to aim and tactics.

Sorry...the way it is now, Europe is pathetic...

Only Russia and UK could do any damage...

war is fun =/
(sarcasm)

But it is still Jewish as it was before. Same belief. Same type of people. Same area. Same nation. Besides, how can you have a fake nation?

Just look at Palestine, they're a people that have never had a country... never had a culture, yet everyone in the world wants to give them a country.

Well the US is stronger than Israel but Israel has nukes, biological weapons, and chemical weapons. If the US was trying to take over Israel it would become very bloody and Israel would probably use its nukes against the US. The US may win but it would be a very costly war. Also Israel's Air Force is as good if not better than the USAF, so the US would have trouble dealing with that.

Just look at Palestine, they're a people that have never had a country... never had a culture, yet everyone in the world wants to give them a country.

Sorry, maybe I'm slow today but...how does that deal with anything?

OK. Im here to clear up some confusion. Israel is nolonger the closest ally to the U.S.A.. Israelie citizens must go to a boot camp and are required to serve for one month a year, for like the rest of their life. Their army is far superior to us along with its technology. Their strategist are also far superior to us. Yes, it is true, Jewish people already control most of the U.S.. Oh, I also think I forgot to mention they have one of the largest A-bombs still in exsistance. And if any of you think that Israel wont win, with ease, I have news for you, they would.

Israels Air force is top notch... from what i hear, Israel actually teaches the Americans on Flight and Guerilla Warfare.

Still we shouldn't worry about a war... not even a hypothetical one.

If American would ever go to war with them, American either became psycho Liberal Facist or Israel is doing unspeakable evil...

And after all is said and done... I just wonder who Israel's newest ally will be. My guess might be China..

OK. Im here to clear up some confusion. Israel is nolonger the closest ally to the U.S.A.. Israelie citizens must go to a boot camp and are required to serve for one month a year, for like the rest of their life. Their army is far superior to us along with its technology. Their strategist are also far superior to us. Yes, it is true, Jewish people already control most of the U.S.. Oh, I also think I forgot to mention they have one of the largest A-bombs still in exsistance. And if any of you think that Israel wont win, with ease, I have news for you, they would.

And to add on to that I've heard that Jewish people tend to be in the accounting field giving them control of money.

One thing no one has really considered is that even the US state department considers Israel the fourth most powerful nation in the world.

I heard from a website one time which i don't remember, that the jews controlled the Slave Trade in america *nods head*

One thing no one has really considered is that even the US state department considers Israel the fourth most powerful nation in the world.


Russia and China i'm guessing is second and third?

Along with most of Israel's citizens being at one point in their life in the army, it will be hard to take over Israel because it is seen as a Jewish state. People fighting for religion fight much harder than people fighting for some other reason. The US would probably get in trouble with the UN for attacking things too close to religous sites.

Russia and China i'm guessing is second and third?

I guess, I'm not sure.

Along with most of Israel's citizens being at one point in their life in the army, it will be hard to take over Israel because it is seen as a Jewish state. People fighting for religion fight much harder than people fighting for some other reason. The US would probably get in trouble with the UN for attacking things too close to religous sites.


yeah but we have to ignore Political Pressure.. otherwise there would never be a war to begin with.

Russia and China i'm guessing is second and third?
Israel should be higher than 4th. If I remember correctly. Yes, they are mostly accountants, or rich, so have control of a lot of monet. (wtf I think Im the only Jewish public school teacher)

Just look at Palestine, they're a people that have never had a country... never had a culture, yet everyone in the world wants to give them a country.

Actually, the main reason they don't have a country now is because the land they lived on was given to the jewish people to create Isreal 2.0 instead of to them.

http://www.un.org/Depts/dpa/ngo/history.html

As to their not having a culture, that's a load of BS. Everybody has a culture. Pretty much by definition, you can't have a society of any sort without having a culture.

And to add on to that I've heard that Jewish people tend to be in the accounting field giving them control of money.
"All the world suffers from the usury of the Jews, their monopolies and deceit. They have brought many unfortunate people into a state of poverty, especially the farmers, working class people and the very poor.

Then as now Jews have to be reminded intermittently anew that they were enjoying rights in any country ... and subsequently their ethical and moral doctrines as well as their deeds rightly deserve to be exposed to criticism in whatever country they happen to live."
--Pope Clement VIII

hmmm why don't you post in hebrew... i want to see if its easier to read then your english...

Along with most of Israel's citizens being at one point in their life in the army, it will be hard to take over Israel because it is seen as a Jewish state. People fighting for religion fight much harder than people fighting for some other reason. The US would probably get in trouble with the UN for attacking things too close to religous sites.

The US doesn't even get a firm talking-to when they bomb hospitals.

Actually, the main reason they don't have a country now is because the land they lived on was given to the jewish people to create Isreal 2.0 instead of to them.

http://www.un.org/Depts/dpa/ngo/history.html

As to their not having a culture, that's a load of BS. Everybody has a culture. Pretty much by definition, you can't have a society of any sort without having a culture.

Actually They were given land... but after the War of Independence Egypt took Gaza Strip and Jordan took the west bank.

Some allies they were... Plus Jordan is 2/3 Palestinian anyways.. why don't go there?


"All the world suffers from the usury of the Jews, their monopolies and deceit. They have brought many unfortunate people into a state of poverty, especially the farmers, working class people and the very poor.

Then as now Jews have to be reminded intermittently anew that they were enjoying rights in any country ... and subsequently their ethical and moral doctrines as well as their deeds rightly deserve to be exposed to criticism in whatever country they happen to live."
--Pope Clement VIII

So we're supposed to listen to a pope who thought the Jews started the plague, even though they werent affected as much because they actually bathed?

Israel already wholly controls the USA.
:headbang: Yeah, right, and 33 rabbis secretly control the WORLD, too. Get a life. That statement is so stupid I'm not even going to dignify it by the flame it deserves.

The US doesn't even get a firm talking-to when they bomb hospitals.

let's give them Economic Sanctions then ;)

The US doesn't even get a firm talking-to when they bomb hospitals.

What are you talking about? The US pulled out of Fallujah the first time because they supposedly killed many Iraqi civilians.

hmmm why don't you post in hebrew... i want to see if its easier to read then your english...
who?

Someone needs to calm their hate Jews jets.

who?

Someone needs to calm their hate Jews jets.


I'm Jewish too!!!!!!!! X_X

Look at my signature!

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Why do people feel the need to start these threads? The USA has an army many times bigger than Israels, their army is probably bigger than the entire Israeli population. America also has more nukes. No way Israel could win. This is so pointless, its probably spam.

The american army is only about twices as big as the Israeli army. And anyway, Israel developes some of the best weapons in the world, much better than the crap used in the American army. Not to mention American soldiers are very poorly trained, they only do well because they've been fighting nothing but third world contries resently. If they were fighting Israel they would take very severe losses, probably in the tens or hundreds of thousands, but in the end the American army's overall size would overwelm Israel and America would win.

During an argument between the Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and Foreign Minister Shimon Peres, Peres said that Isralis' policies of continued violence might "turn the US against us". To this Sharon retorted:

"EVERY TIME WE DO SOMETHING, YOU TELL ME AMERICANS WILL DO THIS AND WILL DO THAT. I WANT TO MAKE SOMETHING VERY CLEAR: DON'T WORRY ABOUT AMERICAN PRESSURE ON ISRAEL;

WE, THE JEWISH PEOPLE, CONTROL AMERICA. AND THE AMERICANS KNOW IT."

-- Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon

Yeah I have been looking on Google, and I aint exactly finding any legitimate sources backing that up. I don't think it is real But...

It wouldn't suprise me if Sharon did actually say that, but there is no way he would be stupid enough to say it on the radio. I don't think it is propper to reffer to the US and Israel as allies. It is certainly a rather one sided allegiance. The US spends billions supporting Israel militarily and then Israel sells the techonology to the US's enemies like china. http://www.amenusa.org/china23.htm

Also the US does nothing as Israel breaks its promises to stop building settlements which makes the earth's Billon or so muslims hate the US, in order to please 200,000 settlers.


Basicaly I don't think there is really anything Israel could do to make America angry enough to apply the slightest amount of pressure on it, thanks largely to the millions of heartland sheep in this country who think Jesus will come down to Israel to herald in the rapture and raise all the god fearing christians from their miserable trailer parks and walmart jobs into his heavenly kingdom.

The american army is only about twices as big as the Israeli army. And anyway, Israel developes some of the best weapons in the world, much better than the crap used in the American army. Not to mention American soldiers are very poorly trained, they only do well because they've been fighting nothing but third world contries resently. If they were fighting Israel they would take very severe losses, probably in the tens or hundreds of thousands, but in the end the American army's overall size would overwelm Israel and America would win.


Israel creates lots of new technologies, and trains the Americans in different Fields. But as said American has a bigger army and can buy all the technologies Israel produces.

I'm Jewish too!!!!!!!! X_X

Look at my signature!
no. who was for you.

The calm thing is for the nation that had capital letters and blame everything on jews.

I can speak Hebrew fluentally, very well actually.

ROFL Europe... and war? They can barely take care of Kosovo and you expect them to take care of Israel? LMAO
*cough* atleast Europeans only fight when it's necessary. And they know how to fight on own soil. Not just to ship off to some foreign country "that harbours terrorists" or "has weapons of mass embaressment".

I voted for Israel to support the underdogs.
'Cause I like dogs.

Why do some people think that America could EASILY invade Israel? I srael has one of the best militaries in the world. America would only win because of our shear numbers, and with heavy casualties on both sides.

And wasn't there a quote by an Israeli saying something like "If we go down, we're taking the rest of the world with us"?

Actually They were given land... but after the War of Independence Egypt took Gaza Strip and Jordan took the west bank.


Um... They already lived there. It was theirs to begin with. That's like saying the american gov't gave the native people land.

It would be more accurate to say that they were allowed to keep some of their land.

And wasn't there a quote by an Israeli saying something like "If we go down, we're taking the rest of the world with us"?
NOW IS NOT THE TIME!

Israel would annex the US once the Israeli government declares the US to be a part of greater Israel from now on.

Israel would annex the US once the Israeli government declares the US to be a part of greater Israel from now on.
Are you actually correct about something this time?!

Are you actually correct about something this time?!
More than likely.

I'm not an expert on Israel, but this thread seems to be opinionated: here is my opinion: The conditions in which America would declare war on Isreal would invole something like mass genocide, therefor many Israelies would probably be as annoyed as the Americans, and, if what has been said about armed civilians is true, Israel would be in a giant cival war. This would allow America to easily annex it.

Are you actually correct about something this time?!
I'm usually right.

I'm not an expert on Israel, but this thread seems to be opinionated: here is my opinion: The conditions in which America would declare war on Isreal would invole something like mass genocide, therefor many Israelies would probably be as annoyed as the Americans, and, if what has been said about armed civilians is true, Israel would be in a giant cival war. This would allow America to easily annex it.
Ok now you have even confused me, and I can speak like 10 languages. Why cival war?

OK. Im here to clear up some confusion. Israel is nolonger the closest ally to the U.S.A.. Israelie citizens must go to a boot camp and are required to serve for one month a year, for like the rest of their life. Their army is far superior to us along with its technology. Their strategist are also far superior to us. Yes, it is true, Jewish people already control most of the U.S.. Oh, I also think I forgot to mention they have one of the largest A-bombs still in exsistance. And if any of you think that Israel wont win, with ease, I have news for you, they would.

A bombs, uranium fission weapons like the a-bomb are obsolete. If it can down to nuclear weapons the US would dominate easily. A teller-ulam fussion warhead has a blast radius of 4.5 km.s, which equal out to 63.5 square km.s. It would take 17 of these to turn all of the Israeli land mass to a flaming pile of dust, and the U.S. standard ICBM houses 4 of these warheads.

Edit: I'm sorry, I was looking at the wrong stats, it would actualy take about 200 teller-ulam warheads to destroy the whole country, but to kill everyone in the country would take far less.

Ok now you have even confused me, and I can speak like 10 languages. Why cival war?
Cival war, because, I would assume, many Israelies would be annoyed at the Israeli government. If the Americans want to attack, these people would be annoyed enough to rebel, causing a cival war.

A bombs, uranium fission weapons like the a-bomb are obsolete. If it can down to nuclear weapons the US would dominate easily. A teller-ulam fussion warhead has a blast radius of 4.5 km.s, which equal out to 63.5 square km.s. It would take 17 of these to turn all of the Israeli land mass to a flaming pile of dust, and the U.S. standard ICBM houses 4 of these warheads.

Edit: I'm sorry, I was looking at the wrong stats, it would actualy take about 200 teller-ulam warheads to destroy the whole country, but to kill everyone in the country would take far less.
oh so I see someone did their research. But all that means squat pretty much. Just thought Id let you know.

And they would support their government, plus most of them stronlgy dislike US. So It wouldnt be a cival war. Also there are Arabs in Israel who would get behind the goverment just to destroy the US.

Well the US is stronger than Israel but Israel has nukes, biological weapons, and chemical weapons.
Oh, I thought that was Iraq...

oh so I see someone did their research. But all that means squat pretty much. Just thought Id let you know.

And they would support their government, plus most of them stronlgy dislike US. So It wouldnt be a cival war. Also there are Arabs in Israel who would get behind the goverment just to destroy the US.
I must say that, at least for me and probably alot more people, it would be like this - nazi style genocide or a republican... the nazi style one is running my country and the American republican is invading, and don't get me wrong here cause I "strongly dislike" america, so I think I would go with the republican. The lesser of two evils

I must say that, at least for me and probably alot more people, it would be like this - nazi style genocide or a republican... the nazi style one is running my country and the American republican is invading, and don't get me wrong here cause I "strongly dislike" america, so I think I would go with the republican. The lesser of two evils
WTF is up tonight I have been confused twice tonight.

Israel gets the best possible deal right now. Israel recieves millions of dollars from American taxpayers, the best of American weapons and Israeli's are welcome visitors to the USA. It does not get better than this.


America wouldn't attack cause Israel sponsers Congress almost as much as Saudi Arabia.

Oh, I thought that was Iraq...

:D

A bombs, uranium fission weapons like the a-bomb are obsolete.

You know what obsolete means, right? :headbang:

Honestly, I do not see how any of you could say anything other than a quick US victory. If we were to ever come to war with Israel, ignoring political interference (since that seems to be the theme here), we could easily turn the nation to glass. Israel can't hit America back. They have tactial and aircraft dropped nukes, not ICBMS. THe range is too great for Israeli weapons to reach America. If we had to invade without using nukes, it would be bloody, but it would still be rather easy. We sell/give Israel our technology, but we don't seel them the latest things. We stay one step ahead in terms of technology and such (although the Isrealis do often make what we give them better). Our newer F-22 Raptors (the most maneuverable fighter ever produced) would easily fly circles around the older F-15s and F-16s they fly. Raptors can also fire at much farther ranges and their stealthness makes it harder for enemy fighters to detect them until its too late. Sure, their pilots may be slightly better, but the gap in fighter strength is too great. Of course, our main fighter would still probably be F-15s and F-16s as well, and casualties in those units would most likely be high. However, that is assuming that their fighters off the ground. It would be a simple thing to destroy most of the aircraft on the runways with a surprise attack by stealth aircraft. Our attack helicopters and Abrams would roll right over the Israeli armor. We have over 5,000 battle ready Abrams, and there really isn't any tank in the world that poses much of a threat to their long range targeting systems that automatically lock on and adjust. They almost never miss. Sure, the Israeli military could possibly be better man for man, but twe outnumber them horribly. And having slightly better soldiers won't make up the vast technological differences in weaponry. However, once we were to overun the country, it would be a bloodbath, with Isrealis conducting terrorist attacks; like Iraq but worse. However, that is not what the question asked.

I would wanna find out who the two dumb jews are who voted for option one. America would completely destroy israel if there was such a war. In fact pretty every european power as well can crush israel too.

Probably Britain. But no one else. France and Germany together can only put about 20,000 troops outside of Europe. And they're the "military powers" of the Continent. Not to mention that Israel's equipment is constantly updated due to the threat of invasion and most of their soldiers are either experienced or well-trained. France and Germany haven't fought since Viet Nam and World War II, respectively. I'm not counting the Gulf War because they didn't really do anything except show up.

But it is still Jewish as it was before. Same belief. Same type of people. Same area. Same nation. Besides, how can you have a fake nation?

WRONG! It wasn't "Jewish" until 2nd Kings.

"And the King of Assyria had men from Babylon, and from Cuthah, and from Ava, and from Hamath, and from Sepharvaim, and placed them in the cities of Samaria (formally Israel) instead of the children of Israel..." 2nd Kings 17:24-

That proves that the Sephardic Jews are false as they originated from Sefarid (Spain)

Now to the Ashkenazic. This is the main body of Jewish people. Ashkenaz is listed as a descendant of Noah, but not a descendent of Shem (the true Israelites), rather this Jewish group come from Japheth one of Shems brothers. He had Sons one of whom was Gomer and he inturn had 3 sons one of which was called Ashkenaz - thus this group are not Israelites either.

EDIT: - The word "Jew" didn't even appear in original scripture but rather the word "Loudean" which means RESIDENT OF JUDEA.

Oh I forgot, some Jews descended via Abraham through Isaac but not Jacob/Israel - they instead go through Isaacs other son Usau and thus are Edomites as Esau is the father of the Edomites. King Herod was an Edomite - he was the King in Israel who had all the babies killed trying to find the Messiah in an attempt to have him killed.

So don't lecture me on the history of Israel!

The american army is only about twices as big as the Israeli army. And anyway, Israel developes some of the best weapons in the world, much better than the crap used in the American army. Not to mention American soldiers are very poorly trained, they only do well because they've been fighting nothing but third world contries resently. If they were fighting Israel they would take very severe losses, probably in the tens or hundreds of thousands, but in the end the American army's overall size would overwelm Israel and America would win.

Israel only copies other weapons. The UZI, and the Galil (2 of the biggest Israeli made weapons) were both copied from another weapon. Plus Israeli soldiers are no better than Americans as most are conscripts which have time and time again failed to hold the line. The Marines could wipe the floor with the IDF. And you say that America has been fighting 3rd world countries lol, I guess the IDF have been fighting nothing but a big professional army :D

WTF? US would overpower Israel in seconds.

From http://www.sipri.org/contents/webmaster/databases
For 2003:
Military budget of US: 417.4 billion (~5% of total GDP)
Military budget of Israel: 10 billion (~10% of total GDP)

The next highest are Japan(46.9B), UK(37.1B), and France(35B). 47% of the world's total military expenditure is done by the US. Japan is 5%, UK(4%), and France(4%). Israel is 1%.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Armed_Forces
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel/Military
The US military is the only military in the world that is capable of fighting multiple wars at once. It is also the only military in the world that can express itself globally, and can wage a war overseas and STILL have enough power to protect itself at home. The US emphasizes on technology instead of human strength in war. They're made to come in, destroy everything, and then leave. However, due to the lack of man power, the US has a big problem with occupying territory for too long(look at Iraq, it's a big mess since we don't have enough people there). Of course, a draft can fix that, but there will be massive protest against it.

Population of US: ~70 million
Population of Israel: ~1.5 million


The only nation I see that can go up against the US is China. And who cares if Israel has nukes. How are they going to deliver it to the US? With planes and their puny naval fleet?

Israel only copies other weapons. The UZI, and the Galil (2 of the biggest Israeli made weapons) were both copied from another weapon. Plus Israeli soldiers are no better than Americans as most are conscripts which have time and time again failed to hold the line. The Marines could wipe the floor with the IDF. And you say that America has been fighting 3rd world countries lol, I guess the IDF have been fighting nothing but a big professional army :D
Ok you have no idea what Israel is like on a whole then. I just came from Israel and know for a fact that their technology is way better. SO piss off. Anyone who thinks Europe is stronger, is wrong. No Israel wouoldnr be overtaken easily. And whoever thinks they are weaker than the marines, Israel has been holding off extremeists a hell of a lot longer the US. again Piss off. If you are going to comment at least know something first. Tu un Perdedor.

WTF? US would overpower Israel in seconds.

From http://www.sipri.org/contents/webmaster/databases
For 2003:
Military budget of US: 417.4 billion (~5% of total GDP)
Military budget of Israel: 10 billion (~10% of total GDP)

The next highest are Japan(46.9B), UK(37.1B), and France(35B). 47% of the world's total military expenditure is done by the US. Japan is 5%, UK(4%), and France(4%). Israel is 1%.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Armed_Forces
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel/Military
The US military is the only military in the world that is capable of fighting multiple wars at once. It is also the only military in the world that can express itself globally, and can wage a war overseas and STILL have enough power to protect itself at home. The US emphasizes on technology instead of human strength in war. They're made to come in, destroy everything, and then leave. However, due to the lack of man power, the US has a big problem with occupying territory for too long(look at Iraq, it's a big mess since we don't have enough people there). Of course, a draft can fix that, but there will be massive protest against it.

Population of US: ~70 billion
Population of Israel: ~1.5 billion


The only nation I see that can go up against the US is China. And who cares if Israel has nukes. How are they going to deliver it to the US? With planes and their puny naval fleet?
As I early stated, you must know your stats first - not some knowledge you think means evrything, even though it means nothing. Agian Piss off.

As I early stated, you must know your stats first - not some knowledge you think means evrything, even though it means nothing. Agian Piss off.

Then please tell me the facts that I am missing.

Population of Israel: 1.5 million

How the fuck are they going to invade the US, which has a population of 70 million? Are they going to muster some invisible magical force? Israel does not have enough man power to occupy the US.

And don't forget that Israel does not have the military equipment to transport large volumes of troops.

Then please tell me the facts that I am missing.

Population of Israel: 1.5 billion

How the fuck are they going to invade the US, which has a population of 70 billion? Are they going to muster some invisible magical force? Israel does not have enough man power to occupy the US.

And don't forget that Israel does not have the military equipment to transport large volumes of troops.
There are not 70 billion people in the entire world!

There are not 70 billion people in the entire world!

oops, you're right. it's 70 million for the US, and 1.5 million for Israel

Edit:
And according to wikipedia:
"The combined United States armed forces consists of 1.4 million active duty personnel along with several hundred thousands each in the Reserves and National Guard."

Combined, the United States' armed forces has more people than the population of Israel. Of course, the troops are spread out though.

More info can be found here:
http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/2003/cb03-ff04se.html

i said America would defeat Isreal, but the economy would severly suffer however. but i don't think they would ever turn on us and i still don't thik the economy would crumpel

oops, you're right. it's 70 million for the US, and 1.5 million for Israel


Wrong again but closer.

Wrong again but closer.

Don't look at me, it's just the information I got off of wikipedia. Let me recheck on google.

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/us.html
Population of US: 293,027,571 or ~293 million

http://www.israelmybeloved.com/today/population_figures/
Population of Israel: ~6.7 million

Don't look at me, it's just the information I got off of wikipedia. Let me recheck on google.

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/us.html
Population of US: 293,027,571 or ~293 million

http://www.israelmybeloved.com/today/population_figures/
Population of Israel: ~6.7 million

You were probably thinking of military age males but that still wouldn't exactly make sense because in Israel and increasingly the US women serve on the front lines as well.

You were probably thinking of military age males but that still wouldn't exactly make sense because in Israel and increasingly the US women serve on the front lines as well.

You're right. Damn my eyesight . . .

Edit for clarity:
United States of America
Population: ~293 million
Available Men for military service: ~70 million
Current Troop levels: ~1.4 million, and several hundred thousands in reserve/national guard

Israel
Population: ~6.7 million
Available Men for military service: ~1.5 million

I'd give it 30-45 days before Israel declared an unconditional surrender.

@ Austrealite - WTF are you smoking? I have never in all my life read a more ass-backwards short history of the Jewish people.

WRONG! It wasn't "Jewish" until 2nd Kings.

Hmmm... no. Try Joshua, the first of the books in the "Prophets" section

"And the King of Assyria had men from Babylon, and from Cuthah, and from Ava, and from Hamath, and from Sepharvaim, and placed them in the cities of Samaria (formally Israel) instead of the children of Israel..." 2nd Kings 17:24-

That proves that the Sephardic Jews are false as they originated from Sefarid (Spain)

Now to the Ashkenazic. This is the main body of Jewish people. Ashkenaz is listed as a descendant of Noah, but not a descendent of Shem (the true Israelites), rather this Jewish group come from Japheth one of Shems brothers. He had Sons one of whom was Gomer and he inturn had 3 sons one of which was called Ashkenaz - thus this group are not Israelites either.


Er, what? Sephardic Jews are those who come from Mediterranian countries and Ashkenazic Jews trace their ancestry to Eastern Europe. The Ashkenaz/Sephard distinction did not exist until after the Roman Diaspora. These two main groups are distinct mainly because of their different synagogue services. Synagogues only came into existence after the Romans destroyed the Second Temple in Jerusalem. What you wrote is a bunch of garbage.

Oh I forgot, some Jews descended via Abraham through Isaac but not Jacob/Israel - they instead go through Isaacs other son Usau and thus are Edomites as Esau is the father of the Edomites. King Herod was an Edomite - he was the King in Israel who had all the babies killed trying to find the Messiah in an attempt to have him killed.

Guess what? You're wrong again! Congratulations! Jacob's descendants went down to Egypt where they prospered in the land of Goshen. The Pharaoh eventually decided to enslave the Jews but God intervened and sent the Ten Plagues. The Jews were freed and were led by God through his agent, the Prophet Moses, to the land promised to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Canaan). Along the way the Jews proved themselves to be a bunch of ungrateful degenerates and general fuckups so God punished them by making them wander aimlessly in the desert for 40 years until everyone who had left Egypt was dead. Then Moses' successor, Joshua, led the new generation on a genocidal crusade through the land of Canaan.

This is all very basic bible stuff. Not rocket surgery.

Oh and Israel pwnz all. Ask a silly question...

America would stop sending Israel equipment. All the Arabs would simultaneously invade. It'd probably be a tie, but just in case it wasn't, Israel would nuke everything in the Middle East into nothing.
Israel has over 150,000 active soldiers but because of their laws concerning military service they can quickly call up and arm another 700,000 people. This plus the arabs' seemingly unique inability to conduct a proper war means that they would be screwed, especially since Iraq is no longer in the picture.

Then please tell me the facts that I am missing.

Population of Israel: 1.5 million

How the fuck are they going to invade the US, which has a population of 70 million? Are they going to muster some invisible magical force? Israel does not have enough man power to occupy the US.

And don't forget that Israel does not have the military equipment to transport large volumes of troops.
MAGIC! Lets get Those Russian Jews to summon some Gollems. Wow not enough equipment and Israel in the same sentence is automatically a mistake.(lets not get into it) They also wouldnt need to be transported, it is called Nuclear weapons. Lol people fighting... so 20th century.

Israel has over 150,000 active soldiers but because of their laws concerning military service they can quickly call up and arm another 700,000 people. This plus the arabs' seemingly unique inability to conduct a proper war means that they would be screwed, especially since Iraq is no longer in the picture.
So if they nuked Iraq(g-d forbid) they would dominate cause all our troops are over there. And the Arabs are screwy but I think someone already stated "they would come together just to destroy the US." so there actually might be some use for them in the future.

@ Austrealite - WTF are you smoking? I have never in all my life read a more ass-backwards short history of the Jewish people.

The Jewish people are fake, nothing more nothing less.



Hmmm... no. Try Joshua, the first of the books in the "Prophets" section

The word "Jew "doesn't turn up in the Bible until 2nd Kings. And even so the word "Jew" shouldn't even be Jew. It should be "loudean" which means RESIDENT OF JUDEA.


Er, what? Sephardic Jews are those who come from Mediterranian countries and Ashkenazic Jews trace their ancestry to Eastern Europe. The Ashkenaz/Sephard distinction did not exist until after the Roman Diaspora. These two main groups are distinct mainly because of their different synagogue services. Synagogues only came into existence after the Romans destroyed the Second Temple in Jerusalem. What you wrote is a bunch of garbage.

Noah had 3 sons. Shem, Ham, Japeth. Ham had no sons, Shem ancestor to Abraham, and Japeth had 2 sons. These sons were Magog and Gomer. Magog had no descendants, Gomer had 3 sons. These being Ashkenaz, Ripath and Togarmah. Togarmah and Ashkenaz are the ancestors of the Ashkenazic jews. The Khazars or the "13th Tribe" are descendants of Togarmah and this group of people are found in modern Jewry. But not only them, Isaac had 2 sons Jacob/Israel, and Esau. Esau is the ancestor to the Edomites, who also comprise of modern Jewry.

The Khazar Empire was destroyed by Genghis Khan etc, they migrated into and around Poland, they then changed their name back from Khazars back to their family name "Ashkenazic"

Guess what? You're wrong again! Congratulations! Jacob's descendants went down to Egypt where they prospered in the land of Goshen. The Pharaoh eventually decided to enslave the Jews but God intervened and sent the Ten Plagues. The Jews were freed and were led by God through his agent, the Prophet Moses, to the land promised to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Canaan). Along the way the Jews proved themselves to be a bunch of ungrateful degenerates and general fuckups so God punished them by making them wander aimlessly in the desert for 40 years until everyone who had left Egypt was dead. Then Moses' successor, Joshua, led the new generation on a genocidal crusade through the land of Canaan.

The Jews were not in bondage to Egypt as even their own tounges account for. John Chapter 8 - They said to Jesus, "we be Abraham's seed and were never in bondage to any man.". As I explained, the Idumaeans were teh only Jewih sect that could make this statement because although Abraham was their ancestor they were not the chosen people. They were Esau's decendants not Jacob/Israel.

This is all very basic bible stuff. Not rocket surgery.

Yeah and you still don't know anything :D

Oh and Israel pwnz all. Ask a silly question...

This counterfeit nation *srael doesn't "Pwn" anything well it does Pwn something...the Truth!

Sanctaphranx... that is the most stupidest thing you have ever said.

Just be happy Japan and Germany arent allowed armies.... they are just as capable of doing severe damage as Israel is.


One should be careful about calling others stupid while posting something equally silly.
;)

MAGIC! Lets get Those Russian Jews to summon some Gollems. Wow not enough equipment and Israel in the same sentence is automatically a mistake.(lets not get into it) They also wouldnt need to be transported, it is called Nuclear weapons. Lol people fighting... so 20th century.

I'm not going to bother including facts anymore, since it's obvious you're not going to listen to them. So I'll just say the obvious, Israel's army sucks ass. They can't even take over another nation if they wanted to. They've gotten so cocky over the years that they think they're undefeatable. I bet they think that they can kick China's ass too.

I can admit that China will be a huge threat to the U.S. someday. If the Euro countries banded together, then it's very possible that they defeat us too. India could someday be a powerful nation if they modernize enough(and get rid of their corruption). But Israel? Israel is like a fly compared to the other world powers.

If China declared war on us, I'd be concerned. The same for the European powers. But Israel? That wouldn't make front page news because no one would care.

The US needs to stop sending military aid to Israel. Because obviously, if those Israelis think that they can defeat the US, then they don't need our military funding anymore. BTW, if you're curious, the US sends 2 billion dollars in aid to Israel each year.

funny thread.
Apart from the fact that Israeli forces would not fight against the US forces;

It's not the airoplanes, it's the missiles. In exercises with US and Israeli airforce the numbers are 10-2 +/- 1 or 2 in favour of Israel.
When there is tank mock war with US the numbers are more even if memory serves me correct. By the way the Israeli tank systems are ... f# that, if you don't know then good!
The marines against the Israeli army do not win. All this is mock warfare, and facts. I cannot back them up, so don't ask. Sorry.

Isreal would win. The joo's would pray and

Allah would descend from the heavens and smite the fat americans and a thousand year war would then plague the earth.

The Arab & Canadian traitors would form an unholy alliance with Isreal. American would form an unholier alliance with France. China would sit back and laugh as the 4 great nations plunge into a bloody war.

The victor would be the Isrealite's throwing pebbles at the last American toddler crossing the road. Finally wiping out the Americans off the face of the earth.

Isreal would win. The joo's would pray and

Allah would descend from the heavens and smite the fat americans and a thousand year war would then plague the earth.

The Arab & Canadian traitors would form an unholy alliance with Isreal. American would form an unholier alliance with France. China would sit back and laugh as the 4 great nations plunge into a bloody war.

The victor would be the Isrealite's throwing pebbles at the last American toddler crossing the road. Finally wiping out the Americans off the face of the earth.

You got it pretty much...er wrong.

1) The Jews can pray and pray, but God wouldn't hear them.

2) You mentioned the victor as Israelites. Tell me, how can the Jews win as you so put it but the Israelites win as well? They are not the same race, in fact they have been at war with eachother for quite some time...

The Israelites are Jewish! Nincompoop! :D

The Israelites are Jewish! Nincompoop! :D

The Jews are as much Israelites as Hitler is Black

Nincompoop!!!

Watching anti-semites argue their points is always good for a laugh.

p.s. Ashkenaz is the Hebrew name for Germany.

Watching anti-semites argue their points is always good for a laugh.

p.s. Ashkenaz is the Hebrew name for Germany.

Ashkenazic is the ancestor of the Jews. When they settled in modern day Poland and Germany they changed their name from Khazars back to their family name "Ashkenazic" - which was decided to refer to Germany. Oh and by the way, what do you mean by anti-semites? Last I checked Jews were not Semites as they have no bloodline to Shem (Apart from the Edomite Jews)

I'm sorry but you people are full of the most spurious crap about Jewish people.

For starters, Jews don't control America. Money controls America and the people who have the most of it are secretive patricians who are Protestants. When you hear that most of America is owned by a small fraction of the population, they are talking about these people. That's the way it's been since this republic has been founded and most of our Patrician class traces their families back that far.

Now about Israel, for you who are either anti or pro Israel you can all stop your bickering. The growth of the Arab Israeli population will put Muslims in democratic control of the Israeli Knesset in about fifty years. Arab Israelis have 4.5 children per couple at a relatively young age to the Jewish Israeli barely two children at thirty years plus.

In many cases Arab Israelis are grand parents about the time their Jewish age peerage are having their first children. If Israel folded the current occupied territories into the State of Israel, Arab political majority would come in a generation. Before this century is out Israel will cease to exist politically as a Jewish state.


Now as far as America beating Israel in a war. One American carrier task force can eliminate nearly any nation's air force, air defense, telecommunications, transport, and command infrastructure. After that it's just a matter of clearing up the Army on the ground. With air superiority it's just like shooting fish in a barrel with a computer guided bazooka, as America has shown countless times over the past two decades. :D

Ashkenazic is the ancestor of the Jews. When they settled in modern day Poland and Germany they changed their name from Khazars back to their family name "Ashkenazic" - which was decided to refer to Germany. Oh and by the way, what do you mean by anti-semites? Last I checked Jews were not Semites as they have no bloodline to Shem (Apart from the Edomite Jews)

Jews today are mostly descendants of those Israelites who lived in the Southern Kingdom of Judah, along with many converts who joined them (such as the Khazars). Ashkenazic Jews are mostly of middle eastern origin, but with a minor, but significant amount of Khazarian origin.

However I will say that this is a subject of much debate, and was proposed as an idea by a non-historian. Recent genetic studies have also shown that Ashkenazic Jews are dominated by middle east genetic patterns.

It seems as though you hold firmly to the believe that ALL Jews are descended from the Khazars, which is simply not true as they only make up a small part of the Ashkenazim. Your arguement that Ashkenazic Jews are descended from Khazars may hold ground, but that all Jews are from Khazars does not hold ground.

Your statement about anti-semites is ridiculous and I've spent too much time rebutting people who say this before. I'll make it easy here though. Regardless of bloodline (which I highly disagree with you statement on no bloodline to Shem), anti-semite is a misnomer and has been used dominantly to exclusively describe Jew hating.

Isreal would win. The joo's would pray and

Allah would descend from the heavens and smite the fat americans and a thousand year war would then plague the earth.

The Arab & Canadian traitors would form an unholy alliance with Isreal. American would form an unholier alliance with France. China would sit back and laugh as the 4 great nations plunge into a bloody war.

The victor would be the Isrealite's throwing pebbles at the last American toddler crossing the road. Finally wiping out the Americans off the face of the earth.
I kinda like this new interesting version. But only 1/2 of us are antisemites(excluding me) so it isnt so funny.

Jews today are mostly descendants of those Israelites who lived in the Southern Kingdom of Judah, along with many converts who joined them (such as the Khazars). Ashkenazic Jews are mostly of middle eastern origin, but with a minor, but significant amount of Khazarian origin.

However I will say that this is a subject of much debate, and was proposed as an idea by a non-historian. Recent genetic studies have also shown that Ashkenazic Jews are dominated by middle east genetic patterns.

It seems as though you hold firmly to the believe that ALL Jews are descended from the Khazars, which is simply not true as they only make up a small part of the Ashkenazim. Your arguement that Ashkenazic Jews are descended from Khazars may hold ground, but that all Jews are from Khazars does not hold ground.

Your statement about anti-semites is ridiculous and I've spent too much time rebutting people who say this before. I'll make it easy here though. Regardless of bloodline (which I highly disagree with you statement on no bloodline to Shem), anti-semite is a misnomer and has been used dominantly to exclusively describe Jew hating.

I never said all Jews were descendants of the Khazars. You also have Edmomites and the Sephardic Jews. Either way non of these make up the Israelite tribes. The Jews you talk about are the Edomite Jews, they descend from Abraham (they admit this) but they say how they do not descend through Jacob. See Isaac had 2 sons - Esau and Jacob/Israel. The Jews you are talking about descend through Esau.

So, Austrealite, I take it you learned everything you need to know about debating from Joseph Goebbels.

At first I thought this thread was a joke. I can't believe someone would actually think this would be a contest. Israel would loose, not because they suck, but simply because they couldn't afford it. The US is about the only nation left on the planet that still supports Israel, and the US does it politically and economically. Its basically the black sheep 51st state.

So, Austrealite, I take it you learned everything you need to know about debating from Joseph Goebbels.

I have no idea who he is, some details on him would be great. I learned my stuff from various encyclopaedia (including Jewish ones), The Bible (naturally), and various books.

Ashkenazic is the ancestor of the Jews.

You go on to say that Ashkenazic is synonymous with Khazarian.

Just as a side note so people are aware in this thread, you have posted that Judaism is a "counterfeit religion."

Let's just be straightfoward:
Would you consider yourself an anti-semite?

Actually I'll play along, so would you consider youself a Jew hater?

The answer is already obvious, as you have already spewed vitriol on my religion and culture, but I'd like to see what you think.

So, Austrealite, I take it you learned everything you need to know about debating from Joseph Goebbels.

XD

Oh, and Israel would surely lose. Although they have a great army, the country is size of New Jersey. Israel's got the worst strategic military disadvantages having to do with territory that I can think of.

You go on to say that Ashkenazic is synonymous with Khazarian.

Just as a side note so people are aware in this thread, you have posted that Judaism is a "counterfeit religion."

Let's just be straightfoward:
Would you consider yourself an anti-semite?

Actually I'll play along, so would you consider youself a Jew hater?

The answer is already obvious, as you have already spewed vitriol on my religion and culture, but I'd like to see what you think.

Gomer who was Japeth's son who was a brother to Shem. Gomer had 3 sons - Ashkenaz, Ripath and Togarmah. The Ashkenaz and Togarmah are the ancestors of the Khazars or the "13th Tribe". But you also have the Edomite Jews - like I said, King Harod was an Edomite Jew.

The reason I called it a counterfeit religion is because they claim that they are Gods chosen people which is false because non descend through Jacob/Israel.

And no I'm not a Jew hater, but I dislike when they call themselves Gods Chosen people when it is obvious that they are not. I only post what I believe, and I don't go around hating Jews because of it. If I walked past a Jew I would act like I was walking past anyone else, he says hi, I'd say hi. However if he asked what I believed or it came up, I wouldn't hold back.

I have no idea who he is, some details on him would be great. I learned my stuff from various encyclopaedia (including Jewish ones), The Bible (naturally), and various books.

Ask and ye shall receive:
Dr. Paul Joseph Goebbels (October 29, 1897–May 1, 1945) was Adolf Hitler's Propaganda Minister (see Propagandaministerium) in Nazi Germany. He came from a Catholic family, like many of the Nazi leaders. He was a prominent figure of the regime, known for his great rhetorical skills. (From Wikipedia.org (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Goebbels), click the link to see more)

He is famous for this quote:
"The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over"

Oh, and Israel would surely lose. Although they have a great army, the country is size of New Jersey. Israel's got the worst strategic military disadvantages having to do with territory that I can think of.

Their army has never faced a sophisticated western army(only poorly equipped and sometimes defenceless muslim armies) any european power can defeat israel with ease(except albania...) and because of this you cant say that israel has a good army(its army is a little above shitty but its still shit nevertheless)

Gomer who was Japeth's son who was a brother to Shem. Gomer had 3 sons - Ashkenaz, Ripath and Togarmah. The Ashkenaz and Togarmah are the ancestors of the Khazars or the "13th Tribe". But you also have the Edomite Jews - like I said, King Harod was an Edomite Jew.

The reason I called it a counterfeit religion is because they claim that they are Gods chosen people which is false because non descend through Jacob/Israel.

And no I'm not a Jew hater, but I dislike when they call themselves Gods Chosen people when it is obvious that they are not. I only post what I believe, and I don't go around hating Jews because of it. If I walked past a Jew I would act like I was walking past anyone else, he says hi, I'd say hi. However if he asked what I believed or it came up, I wouldn't hold back.

I just love the circular reasoning.

Their army has never faced a sophisticated western army(only poorly equipped and sometimes defenceless muslim armies)

I take it you've not heard of the Yom Kippur war then. Elighten yourself here. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War)

I love Wikipedia. :)

Their army has never faced a sophisticated western army(only poorly equipped and sometimes defenceless muslim armies) any european power can defeat israel with ease(except albania...) and because of this you cant say that israel has a good army(its army is a little above shitty but its still shit nevertheless)

Oooh, but I can and I did say Israel has a good army.

I guess the enemies that Israel fought must have NEVER had help from the Soviets. Yep, Israel's enemies have never had help from the Soviets........ :rolleyes: :headbang:

Ask and ye shall receive:
Dr. Paul Joseph Goebbels (October 29, 1897–May 1, 1945) was Adolf Hitler's Propaganda Minister (see Propagandaministerium) in Nazi Germany. He came from a Catholic family, like many of the Nazi leaders. He was a prominent figure of the regime, known for his great rhetorical skills. (From Wikipedia.org (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Goebbels), click the link to see more)

He is famous for this quote:
"The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over"

Few points? I posted as much bloodline as given the Bible. To go any further I would have to make it up...and well I won't do that. And the reason I repeated them, is because I was debating with a brick wall...

Oooh, but I can and I did say Israel has a good army.

I guess the enemies that Israel fought must have NEVER had help from the Soviets. Yep, Israel's enemies have never had help from the Soviets........ :rolleyes: :headbang:

The egyptians got some crappy outdated soviet tanks and the syrians got mortar equipment that was used by the soviets during wwII....big deal.

The egyptians got some crappy outdated soviet tanks and the syrians got mortar equipment that was used by the soviets during wwII....big deal.

They got a lot more than that. The reason why the Soviets backed up the Arabs so much was because they made a lot of money selling weapons to the Arabs. They hardly got some crappy outdated tanks.

I take it you've not heard of the Yom Kippur war then. Elighten yourself here. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War)

I love Wikipedia. :)

Is that the war where *srael openly knowingly attacked a US ship? (may have been another war) Really good allies they must be :D

Is that the war where *srael openly knowingly attacked a US ship? (may have been another war) Really good allies they must be :D

It's the war when Israel was hit by a surprise attack on the holiest day of the Jewish calendar.

Also, I guess that you've never heard of friendly fire.

Are you not smart enough it use the link?

Well, he is smart enough to selectively ignore facts from the source he himself quoted so I wouldn't put too much past him.

It's the war when Israel was hit by a surprise attack on the holiest day of the Jewish calendar.

Also, I guess that you've never heard of friendly fire.

Are you not smart enough it use the link?

How can it be "friendly fire" when they attacked a US Ship?

"That Ship with US coding seems a bit suss, could be an enemy"?????

Well, he is smart enough to selectively ignore facts from the source he himself quoted so I wouldn't put too much past him.

Which facts did I ignore?

Erm, try all the ones I posted a few pages back. Your facts come from the Bible. So do mine. You ignored/dismissed the facts I presented. How does that work?

How can it be "friendly fire" when they attacked a US Ship?

"That Ship with US coding seems a bit suss, could be an enemy"?????

Israel maintains, and the US government has formally accepted, that the incident was entirely due to error.

Erm, try all the ones I posted a few pages back. Your facts come from the Bible. So do mine. You ignored/dismissed the facts I presented. How does that work?

This one?

@ Austrealite - WTF are you smoking? I have never in all my life read a more ass-backwards short history of the Jewish people.

The Jewish people are fake, nothing more nothing less.



Hmmm... no. Try Joshua, the first of the books in the "Prophets" section

The word "Jew "doesn't turn up in the Bible until 2nd Kings. And even so the word "Jew" shouldn't even be Jew. It should be "loudean" which means RESIDENT OF JUDEA.


Er, what? Sephardic Jews are those who come from Mediterranian countries and Ashkenazic Jews trace their ancestry to Eastern Europe. The Ashkenaz/Sephard distinction did not exist until after the Roman Diaspora. These two main groups are distinct mainly because of their different synagogue services. Synagogues only came into existence after the Romans destroyed the Second Temple in Jerusalem. What you wrote is a bunch of garbage.

Noah had 3 sons. Shem, Ham, Japeth. Ham had no sons (EDIT he did have sons, I posted no sons because none of them come into it), Shem ancestor to Abraham, and Japeth had 2 sons. These sons were Magog and Gomer. Magog had no descendants, Gomer had 3 sons. These being Ashkenaz, Ripath and Togarmah. Togarmah and Ashkenaz are the ancestors of the Ashkenazic jews. The Khazars or the "13th Tribe" are descendants of Togarmah and this group of people are found in modern Jewry. But not only them, Isaac had 2 sons Jacob/Israel, and Esau. Esau is the ancestor to the Edomites, who also comprise of modern Jewry.

The Khazar Empire was destroyed by Genghis Khan etc, they migrated into and around Poland, they then changed their name back from Khazars back to their family name "Ashkenazic"

Guess what? You're wrong again! Congratulations! Jacob's descendants went down to Egypt where they prospered in the land of Goshen. The Pharaoh eventually decided to enslave the Jews but God intervened and sent the Ten Plagues. The Jews were freed and were led by God through his agent, the Prophet Moses, to the land promised to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Canaan). Along the way the Jews proved themselves to be a bunch of ungrateful degenerates and general fuckups so God punished them by making them wander aimlessly in the desert for 40 years until everyone who had left Egypt was dead. Then Moses' successor, Joshua, led the new generation on a genocidal crusade through the land of Canaan.

The Jews were not in bondage to Egypt as even their own tounges account for. John Chapter 8 - They said to Jesus, "we be Abraham's seed and were never in bondage to any man.". As I explained, the Idumaeans were teh only Jewih sect that could make this statement because although Abraham was their ancestor they were not the chosen people. They were Esau's decendants not Jacob/Israel.

This is all very basic bible stuff. Not rocket surgery.

Yeah and you still don't know anything

Oh and Israel pwnz all. Ask a silly question...

This counterfeit nation *srael doesn't "Pwn" anything well it does Pwn something...the Truth!

If not, post it again, I got to go and make some phone calls and head into town, so I can't respond after this post...

seriously wtf is the point of this thread, do you really think that israel could EVER have a chance of taking on the US? we would spank israel so bad it wouldn't even be funny, first of all because WE ARE THE ONES WHO SUPPLY ISRAEL WITH WEAPONS, TECHNOLOGY, AND TRAINING! it's not even worth mentioning, this is how pointless the thread is.

I just love your circular reasoning Australite.

You made a nice, complete circle with your repeated post.

@ Goebbels... er, Austrealite - Oh, gee. I must have missed that. :rolleyes:

Seriously though. You do realize that your line of reasoning implies that the events of Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deutoronomy never happened. Somehow you feel that even though you wantonly discarded books from the Bible it is still possible to form a cogent argument from its tattered remains.

@ Billa-whatever - Yes, this thread is totally worthless. It's a good thing you came here and so selflessly lowered your posting standards to let us all know. Thank you. And by "thank you" I mean "fuck off and die".

Now as far as America beating Israel in a war. One American carrier task force can eliminate nearly any nation's air force, air defense, telecommunications, transport, and command infrastructure. After that it's just a matter of clearing up the Army on the ground. With air superiority it's just like shooting fish in a barrel with a computer guided bazooka, as America has shown countless times over the past two decades. :D

YES, exactly. The US has 12 aircraft carriers. Each one can can hold 85 aircraft. Combined, that's around 1020 aircrafts for 12.
http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/factfile/ships/ship-cv.html
According to wikipedia, there is one more aircraft carrier under construction.

Israel has two very small aircraft carriers. Both are about 1/4 the size of one US carrier. Seeing as how one large aircraft carrier will cost around 4.5 billion dollars, Israel will never be able to afford one. This doesn't include the cost of the aircraft or crew.

Excuse me Mr. Goebbels, ah I mean Moore, oops I mean Australite, but you can't expect rational people to believe you have a valid arguement when you post random facts taken out of context, ignore other people's facts, and post random half-truths and logical fallacies, without connecting anything logically at all.

YES, exactly. The US has 12 aircraft carriers. Each one can can hold 85 aircraft. Combined, that's around 1020 aircrafts for 12.
http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/factfile/ships/ship-cv.html
According to wikipedia, there is one more aircraft carrier under construction.

Israel has two very small aircraft carriers. Both are about 1/4 the size of one US carrier. Seeing as how one large aircraft carrier will cost around 4.5 billion dollars, Israel will never be able to afford one. This doesn't include the cost of the aircraft or crew.

Exactly. Of course an American carrier task force has more than just the air craft carrier, there are Aegis Class missile cruisers and American destroyers all capable of putting cruise missiles on exact targets. The prospects for the Air Force or Navy of any nation is rather grim up against those odds.

America goes to war by first taking out a nation's air defense and communications. Then the command and transport infrastructure. Then America reduces the leaderless Army before it to hamburger with laser and or computer guided bombs with an all weather, 24 hour a day air capability.

On the whole anti Semitism component of this thread. Can't you racists go on a "White Power" forum or something. There are plenty of mindless goobers who will welcome you with open arms.

@ UCP et al. - That sort of military doctorine hasn't been a shining success in places like Vietnam or Iraq, why would it be in Israel?

@ UCP et al. - That sort of military doctorine hasn't been a shining success in places like Vietnam or Iraq, why would it be in Israel?

I said America could win the war, I didn't say America could win the peace.

I'd say the distinction there is purely academic. If you can't win the peace you haven't won the war.

And the Americans didn't win anything in Vietnam.

If Israel can supposedly defeat America in a war, why the hell do they need the annual $2 billion aid?

Or is this extortion money?

@ Goebbels... er, Austrealite - Oh, gee. I must have missed that. :rolleyes:

Seriously though. You do realize that your line of reasoning implies that the events of Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deutoronomy never happened. Somehow you feel that even though you wantonly discarded books from the Bible it is still possible to form a cogent argument from its tattered remains.

@ Billa-whatever - Yes, this thread is totally worthless. It's a good thing you came here and so selflessly lowered your posting standards to let us all know. Thank you. And by "thank you" I mean "fuck off and die".

Where did I say or imply that Exodus etc didn't happen. I am pointing out that the Israelites are a different bloodline to modern Jewry. A point I stand by. It was the Israelites who were in bondage to Egypt, not the Jews.

And I reported you for your wording to that Billa guy...

And the Americans didn't win anything in Vietnam.


Thats because of two reasons


1)The rules of engagement were severly hampered


2)The soldiers fighting only cared about staying alive, not winning

all in all 14% of the population of Vietnam died in that war, and it only cost America 58,000.


Now about Isreal.

Isreali fighter pilots are the best trained dog fighters in the world. they have to be becuase they have constricted air space. american pilots are taught to take the enemy out from a distance.

And Isreal could wipe out all of the middle east if America didn't make them tie both hands and one leg behind their back and go at it blindfoldedly.


Who would win if America and Isreal went to war, easy, Johnny Arab would.

Exactly. Of course an American carrier task force has more than just the air craft carrier, there are Aegis Class missile cruisers and American destroyers all capable of putting cruise missiles on exact targets. The prospects for the Air Force or Navy of any nation is rather grim up against those odds.

America goes to war by first taking out a nation's air defense and communications. Then the command and transport infrastructure. Then America reduces the leaderless Army before it to hamburger with laser and or computer guided bombs with an all weather, 24 hour a day air capability.

On the whole anti Semitism component of this thread. Can't you racists go on a "White Power" forum or something. There are plenty of mindless goobers who will welcome you with open arms.

Yeah thats pretty good with the American Fleet, nothing can touch them. I agree with you on every point apart from 2.

1) I have seen no anti-Semitism so far
2) I have seen no Racist, and I think that because of your use of the word "White" power that would somewhat make you racist. There are many races that have Pale skin or "white" skin.

This thread sucks

Where did I say or imply that Exodus etc didn't happen. I am pointing out that the Israelites are a different bloodline to modern Jewry. A point I stand by. It was the Israelites who were in bondage to Egypt, not the Jews.
By sticking to your claim that Jews are not in any way connected to the ancient Israelites you are clearly ignoring the timeline that is set out in the Tanach. Yet you still insist on quoting it as your primary source. That is stupid.

And I reported you for your wording to that Billa guy...
Okay. Jewmany will still be here to refute the travesties of logic you put forward as arguments.

By sticking to your claim that Jews are not in any way connected to the ancient Israelites you are clearly ignoring the timeline that is set out in the Tanach. Yet you still insist on quoting it as your primary source. That is stupid.


Okay. Jewmany will still be here to refute the travesties of logic you put forward as arguments.

It says in 2nd Kings that the King of Assyria placed a fake people in it. And these people didn't fear God. So the King had some captive Israelite priest come in and taught this fake group how to fear God...gee I wonder who this group would be :D

I mean **** the word "Jew" didn't even exist, and when it did it was "Loudean" which means Resident of Judah - i.e anyone who lives in Judah was called a "Loudean" or by modern terms a "Jew". Heck there isn't (even by their own terms) one distict race of Jew, but many. Read "The Thirteenth Tribe" by Arther Koestler, and "The Archko Volume or the Archeological Writings of the Sanhedrim & Talmuds of the Jews"

*sigh* Okay. Assyria never conquered all of the land now known as Israel and didn't kill everyone either. Rather, they conquered the ten northern tribes leaving Judah and Benjamin along with a smattering of Levites and Kohanim in the south; this explains why Jews are called Jews - they were indeed residents of Judea. These are the people who are the ancestors of most modern Jews. The ten tribes conquered by the Assyrians were exiled and replaced but that doesn't change the fact that there were a whole bunch who didn't end up going anywhere.

Is it at all possible that these Khazars are descendants of one of the ten lost tribes? If they are then you're doubly wrong.

*sigh* Okay. Assyria never conquered all of the land now known as Israel and didn't kill everyone either. Rather, they conquered the ten northern tribes leaving Judah and Benjamin along with a smattering of Levites and Kohanim in the south; this explains why Jews are called Jews - they were indeed residents of Judea. These are the people who are the ancestors of most modern Jews. The ten tribes conquered by the Assyrians were exiled and replaced but that doesn't change the fact that there were a whole bunch who didn't end up going anywhere.

Is it at all possible that these Khazars are descendants of one of the ten lost tribes? If they are then you're doubly wrong.

The Khazars are descendants of Togarmah which means they have no blood distinction to the Israelites. And the Israelites who were in Judah (Judah and Benjamin) were taken into captivity by the Babylonians. The rest of the Jews are descendants of the Edomites.

*cries hysterically*
Why do people feel the need to start these threads? The USA has an army many times bigger than Israels, their army is probably bigger than the entire Israeli population. America also has more nukes. No way Israel could win. This is so pointless, its probably spam.
You are wrong on several counts. This thread is ridiculous, but what the hell. Israel has a draft, so actually, even though America's population is many times greater than Israel's, the current standing army of Israel is LARGER than America's. Needless to say that if America had a draft that it would vastly outnumber Israel. Secondly, Israel has an estimated 60-80 nukes and ONE is enough to severely cripple a country, so neither side has the edge there. You were right however that this thread is nonsense.

side note: America and Israel share weapons with each other, so that would be interesting, too. America sends Israel basic ideas for new weapons, Israel refines them, and both sides keep them.

And the Israelites who were in Judah (Judah and Benjamin) were taken into captivity by the Babylonians.

And were subsequently returned to Isreal/Judea by the Persians/Medes when they defeated the Babylonians.

You are wrong on several counts. This thread is ridiculous, but what the hell. Israel has a draft, so actually, even though America's population is many times greater than Israel's, the current standing army of Israel is LARGER than America's. Needless to say that if America had a draft that it would vastly outnumber Israel. Secondly, Israel has an estimated 60-80 nukes and ONE is enough to severely cripple a country, so neither side has the edge there. You were right however that this thread is nonsense.

side note: America and Israel share weapons with each other, so that would be interesting, too. America sends Israel basic ideas for new weapons, Israel refines them, and both sides keep them.

HAHAHA, oh man.

America's current armed forces number at 1.4 million. This does not include serveral hundred thousand people in the reserved and national guard.

Israel's population is 6.7 million. Unless ~25% of Israel's population is in the army, there is NO WAY that Israel's army is larger than the US's army.

No one knows how many nukes Israel has.
So don't start screaming crap about Israel having 60-70 nukes. They could have 0 for all you know.
One nuke is NOT enough to decimate a large country.
One nuke IS enough to decimate a small country(Israel).
Israel is incapable of sending over a nuke to anywhere.
They do not have the navel OR air power to safeguard and lauch a nuke effectively. They have a crappy navy fleet. Their air force is comprised of American made planes.

Israel does not "refine" ideas. They buy american made airplanes, because it's too expensive for them to research/make their own. I doubt Israel has advanced stealth bombers.

Israel is lame. We need to stop sending them 2 billion in aid each year. If they are that strong, then they obviously don't need our help. It's too bad Israel needs our help so bad. Oh those poor poor Israelis. It's ok guys, America will protect you.

China can be a threat. European powers can be a threat. But Israel? I laugh at Israel and their measly attempt for world dominance.

Hehe. You have a very ironic nickname.
Then find data to refute my claims.

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Hehe. You have a very ironic nickname.

Then find data to refute my claims.

Er, no. The burden of proof is on your shoulders, my friend.

But Israel does help develop weapons. We borrow ideas from them all the time.

And every single Israeli citizen is required to enter the army. If they really needed to, they could easily mobilize a force equal to that of the United States.

That being said, there's no way Israel could beat the US in a war. The entire concept is absurd.

But Israel does help develop weapons. We borrow ideas from them all the time.

And every single Israeli citizen is required to enter the army. If they really needed to, they could easily mobilize a force equal to that of the United States.

That being said, there's no way Israel could beat the US in a war. The entire concept is absurd.

Yes, you're right. They do help develop weapons, but America does not rely on them for superior weapon technology.

Israelis do make great troops. Their secret forces are the best in the world. BUT, there is no way to overcome the vast number of Americans. It is because of this that America will have a hard time taking over China. China's population greatly outnumbers America's population.

China's population: 1.2 billion
America's population: 293 million (near impossible for the U.S. to occupy china)
Israel's population: 6.7 million (near impossible for Israel to occupy the U.S.)

There is no way Israel can invade and occupy America.


Er, no. The burden of proof is on your shoulders, my friend.

I do have proof. It's on the 6th to 11th page. But you pro-israel-haha-we-are-invincible people kept ignoring it. So i don't bother anymore. Instead, I just reiterate the facts I already stated . . .several pages back.

Sometimes, you have to repeat yourself a couple of times because people keep ignoring data.

It says in 2nd Kings that the King of Assyria placed a fake people in it. And these people didn't fear God. So the King had some captive Israelite priest come in and taught this fake group how to fear God...gee I wonder who this group would be :D

I mean **** the word "Jew" didn't even exist, and when it did it was "Loudean" which means Resident of Judah - i.e anyone who lives in Judah was called a "Loudean" or by modern terms a "Jew". Heck there isn't (even by their own terms) one distict race of Jew, but many. Read "The Thirteenth Tribe" by Arther Koestler, and "The Archko Volume or the Archeological Writings of the Sanhedrim & Talmuds of the Jews"


The word "Jew" was an insult in the European area prior to it being used as a label for people who study and practice Judaism. The word "Jew" meant a miser. Jews where labeled as "Misers" because they were not allowed to own land or farm and mostly had to make money on money or trading to make a living.

There's a story about St. Nicholas that illustrates this point.

This is how arguing with australite goes:

Australite: The Jews are not from Israelites. They are from Khazars......something about Japhet, Ashkenazi, 2nd Kings......*srael.......Jews are fakes and counterfeits.

Rational Person: I can refute and contradict some of that: (logically contradicts and refutes)

Australite: (rebuttal) That is wrong because:
The Jews are not from Israelites. They are from Khazars......something about Japhet, Ashkenazi, 2nd Kings......*srael.......Jews are fakes and counterfeits.

Rational Person: Wow, ypu just made a complete circle! I'm arguing with a circle!

Australite: What are you talking about? Did I mention:
The Jews are not from Israelites. They are from Khazars......something about Japhet, Ashkenazi, 2nd Kings......*srael.......Jews are fakes and counterfeits.

Keep it up. This entertaining!

Israel practically controls the U.S.

More like the other way around . . . then you've got it right.

By the way, this thread rocks. With all the bogus claims about each nation's military here, I've never laughed so hard in my life. I can't believe that people here actually believe Israel would obliterate the U.S.

But then again, those people are all just joking too . . . otherwize, there's something seriously wrong with the way the world is educating our youth...

Well, no. The US could control Israel but, for whatever reason, chooses not to.

Obviously, the United States would win. How fast would depend on how nice they were.

Austrealite is idiot, even more so if your christian. Hopefully I dont have to explain, but if not... I will.

Ok first of all.....This thread is not about if Jews or their land they have acquired for that matter is fake or Counterfeit....So please refrain from it...

Second on the matter where people have said this thread sucks...Well it may be more of a match then you think depending on various circumstances which I shall briefly mention..


1. Mossad is renowned for being one of the best intelligence service in the world, so that has to be taken into account.

2. Nuclear..Israel has on a number of occasions been a nation of pre-emptive strike, so if it thought it was outgunned it would most likely go "gung ho" on the I.C.B.M as they say..And thus because of there quantity of various Nuclear warheads....America could be taken out before it can have a chance to defend....

3. Overstretched armies.......Seeing that America is often fighting wars in other countries more then most, it is safe to assume if Israel and America did have a war, there army would somewhat be very overstretched..And if a war did begin, political aspirations by other nations make take over such as China..

4.Training......Not much has to be said other then the fact that Israel’s armed forces cannot be rubbish if they have defeated a number of Arab nations encroaching on their territory..

They are many more I just cannot be bothered to list them all. And also, war is a strange game with many twists and turns. Just think of Great Britain’s former empire, and if I remember correctly did it not own America despite the huge difference in population.....And Great Britain is not exactly considered "China."