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I am frequently accused by religious people at my school for being immoral. I ask them why and they told me because I do not believe in God.

Yet I would consider myself far more moral than them. I am always honest with the people around and never lie in serious matters. I am the type of person who if he sees money in the street will make all efforts possible to return to the person who dropped it. I cannot stand sexual or rude references in advertising (such as that ghastly FCUK range) or on television. I am always lecturing my friends on their lose attiude to sex and thievery. I cannot stand people who binge drink in pubs and then decide to subject the rest of society to their drunkness. I abhor violence. But yet I do not believe in God. So am to be branded as immoral and therefore bad person because I dont believe in religion?

It is my opinion that being religious does not make you moral. Equally being an atheist does not make you immoral.

No, a lack of religion makes you foolish and arrogant, not immoral. Did that come out right? :rolleyes:

Well, religious people are often more moral - but just because you're an atheist doesn't mean that you are immoral. They are eye-mote-beaming.

I dunno about morality but you sound like an unpleasant asshole to me.

I dunno about morality but you sound like an unpleasant asshole to me. Me or him?

No, a lack of religion makes you foolish and arrogant, not immoral.

Religion is a matter of faith. I have faith in other things: my country for one. I have put up with years of having religious tripe shoved down my throat whether I wanted it or not.

I am always lecturing my friends on their lose attiude to sex and thievery.

Him.

Morality comes from two sources. The sum of all your experiences, and socialization. Religion is just one means of socialization.

Religion=Morality: Shitty math skills.

Religion=Morality: Shitty math skills.
I am arguing against that point, just to clear that up. Please actually read the post before replying.

Him. Opinions exist to be spread. If you have a strong opinion, you're going to want to spread it to others.

Wait… New British Glory: most of the people in your school are religious? Where do you live? In my school, strongly religious people are in the minority.

I am arguing against that point, just to clear that up. Please actually read the post before replying.
No kidding. That was my reply to a stupid question. Of course being religious doesn't equate with being a moral person.
I don't think you got my post.

Religion is a matter of faith. I have faith in other things: my country for one. I have put up with years of having religious tripe shoved down my throat whether I wanted it or not. I did say that it didn't really come out right. What I was saying was that religion doesn't necessarily lead to immorality. The truly religious, who follow their beliefs strictly (and by that I mean not ignoring the odd bit) will be moral. But I have many atheistic friends who are perfectly fine. I used to be moral. (Still am… I think).

You have faith in your country? Where do you live?

Morality comes from a gland in the brain that sits near the motor control lobe. Part of the codified science of the Bible is that when properly droned in an accoustically sound hall, this gland is stimulated and caused to grow 3 or 4 times its size (becoming about the size of a walnut).

This has two odd side-effects:

1] The motor control lobe is stimulated and causes a gentle swaying back and forth as well as, in some cases, a raising of the hands.

2] The eyesite center of the brain gets diminished and causes even the smallest of offenses to become giant mountains which need to be conquered.

Jesus knew this full and well and said that people should pay attention to themselves rather than the speck in another, but unfortunately, Christians don't listen to Jesus and, thus, allow their tumorous morality gland to get the better of them.

The side effects tend to only last until the next three hour long drunken prayer shower. Booze seems to shrink the gland back to normal size and, often, to smaller than normal size.

Just because atheists have no logical basis for morality doesn't mean they can't have it. The reverse is true for Christians.

I can't stand holier-than-thou attitudes from people of any faith.

I dunno about morality but you sound like an unpleasant asshole to me.
Flaming people for their personal views isn't acceptable. Try to stick to being polite no matter how much you disagree with someone.

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" The Christians, Jews and Muslims have it all wrong. There are only TWO types of people in this world. Those with religion and no brains and those with brains and no religion."

Just because atheists have no logical basis for morality doesn't mean they can't have it. The reverse is true for Christians.
Agreed. I have a fairly strict moral code myself, but am about as far from a Christian believer as it is possible to be. As Crabcake Baba Ganoush said, socialisation and experience are key in defining a person's morality.

Opinions exist to be spread. If you have a strong opinion, you're going to want to spread it to others.

Wait… New British Glory: most of the people in your school are religious? Where do you live? In my school, strongly religious people are in the minority.

In my year there are about 4 devout religious people: two christians and two muslims. One of the muslims is an opinated idiot who takes every word in the Qu'arn literally rathering than trying to see the metaphorical and spirtual meaning. He constantly says that the Qu'aran predicted the theory of relativity, the speed of light and the Big Bang theory. I have seen all the passages that supposedly refer to this. All I see is the writing of someone who has aimed from the outset to be as vague as possible. That is how religions survive: because their doctrine is so vague that it can be interpreted in millions of different ways and so survives cultural change. People will still be arguing the Qu'ran is accurate in 1000 years time when entirely new laws of physics have been discovered. However if you tell this to my friend, he says it cannot be true becasue the Qu'ran is the word of God.
There are others in my year who are moderately religious: wear cruxifices, believe in God and general ascpects of the Bible.

I am not a 100% atheist. I believe there may be something up there but I definited do not believe in all the tales of the Bible. I try and look for the message behind the fables: that way you can see the human aspects of religion.

Morality is a human construct, enabling us to live together without killing each other (very often).

The reason people think a deity invented these regulations and rules is the same that the Old Norse thought Thor was driving around in his goat-cart when it was thundering. People need an explanation, and if one is not self evident or beyond the technology of the time, then a deity is blamed.

Most christians today do not belive that the rainbow is JHVH's peace sign, but they still haven't gotten around to accepting that morality, laws, norms etc. are very human in orgin.