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For the children of the middle class, socialism seems to be a panacea. It’s not. Frankly all you wankers who lord the socialist movement assume that somehow you all will be in charge. Not one of you has spent a second down a mine, fixed a sewer, or even broke a knuckle on a crab boat.

As I see it, you are all a bunch of middle class tits who naturally assume because of your superior education you will never have to do an honest days hard labor. Despite that you are more than prepared to tell the rest of us how we should live.

So those of you who want to challenge the economic system, tell me what jobs you have had. Those whose entire employment life does not involve the dangerous and the hard and the smelly can just STFU. KTHX

People who fix sewers, and bust knuckles on crab boats, and work in mines tend to benefit more from socialist policies. Not as much as the people who fix your burger at mcdonalds or garden your lawn or pick your freaking vegetables so you can have them at the supermarket. But they do benefit.

The only people who tend not to benefit from socialist policies are the UPPER class. The stock brokers, the inherited wealthy...the CEO's And there are a lot more poor* people in this country than there are rich.




* Poor on an american scale at least, even our poor are fairly well off for most of the rest of the world.

Oh..and as for the jobs ive had?

Wal-Mart stockboy
Subway Sandwich guy
Microsoft technical support
Telesurveyer
Baker

Well no, they don't

But I am glad you gave me your uninformed middle class opinion. Must have sucked making sure those boxes looked right.

Oh..and as for the jobs ive had?

Wal-Mart stockboy
Subway Sandwich guy
Microsoft technical support
Telesurveyer
Baker

I pity you. Seriously. Been in the telesurveyer business and been a bag-boy meself, and those are NOT years I like to remember.

Socialism rules.

Those whose entire employment life does not involve the dangerous and the hard and the smelly can just STFU.
You are aware that pathologists and demiologists are typically from the middle class? And that bio-safety level 4 work is one of the most dangerous around? Communism is based upon the theory that every person should do what he or she does best, and get just compensation form society for it. People do what they are able to do, and get what they need to survive. What you are basically saying is that if you have a lower-class job, you are not allowed to speculate on economics. Which is a ridiculous concept, since economics is a terribly intricate and confusing subject, with many theories. It is kind of like advanced physics in that way. And the communist movement typically comes form the working class. The flag of the U.S.S.R. was a hammer and sickle, if you recall, symbolising the worker and the farmer. It ended up in a pseudo-communist-fascist government, but that was the intent of the Lenin and the other Marxists. Are you trying to say that you'd rather be doing hard work for little money, than hard work and getting as much money as work you put in? In a socialist society, a worker would get more than an athlete would. Anyone who complains about communism probably doesn't understand just what a national commune would actually be like. It is mostly idealism, though, since all communist regimes so far have degenerated into fascism.

You are aware that pathologists and demiologists are typically from the middle class? And that bio-safety level 4 work is one of the most dangerous around? Communism is based upon the theory that every person should do what he or she does best, and get just compensation form society for it. People do what they are able to do, and get what they need to survive. What you are basically saying is that if you have a lower-class job, you are not allowed to speculate on economics. Which is a ridiculous concept, since economics is a terribly intricate and confusing subject, with many theories. It is kind of like advanced physics in that way. And the communist movement typically comes form the working class. The flag of the U.S.S.R. was a hammer and sickle, if you recall, symbolising the worker and the farmer. It ended up in a pseudo-communist-fascist government, but that was the intent of the Lenin and the other Marxists. Are you trying to say that you'd rather be doing hard work for little money, than hard work and getting as much money as work you put in? In a socialist society, a worker would get more than an athlete would. Anyone who complains about communism probably doesn't understand just what a national commune would actually be like. It is mostly idealism, though, since all communist regimes so far have degenerated into fascism.


another middle class wanker.

go spend a econd down a mine, or a second on a crab boat. then grow up and tell me how hard it is to be a pathologist. dick :rolleyes:

Well no, they don't

But I am glad you gave me your uninformed middle class opinion. Must have sucked making sure those boxes looked right.

Are you saying he's never worked his ass off in bad working conditions, unlike YOU? What jobs have you had, to pretend this guy's been having it easy? And why the hell, if you're complaining about the danger/difficulty of your job(s), are you against socialism, which supports universal improvement of working conditions?

Do you even know what socialism is? By that, I mean actually doing some reasearch and readings about what a socialism system is all about, not just hearsay or your own seemingly prejudiced views of the social and economic system. If not, got read it some, and after that I'm all open to informed criticizing of the system. Hell, it ain't perfect, but it's a far cry better than the savage capitalism we're seeing now, if you ask me.


EDIT: On second thought, don't bother. I hadn't actually realized that you were trolling/flamebaiting. Sorry if I polluted your inane ramblings with my attempt at intelligent discussion.

Caretaker (which involved fixing a hell of a lot of toilets).
Sound Engineer.
Roadie.

Sufficiently unpleasent to earn me a say?

another middle class wanker.

go spend a econd down a mine, or a second on a crab boat. then grow up and tell me how hard it is to be a pathologist. dick :rolleyes:

And you're just a sad, sad individual who likes to pretend he's still in the sand box at kinder garten and thinks calling people names gives value to what you say.

/Middle class socialist living in a socialist country. Suck it!

/Middle class socialist living in a socialist country. Suck it!

Where do you live? And, more importantly, do they allow Canadians to move in?

Caretaker (which involved fixing a hell of a lot of toilets).
Sound Engineer.
Roadie.

Sufficiently unpleasent to earn me a say?

Hmm, no. I used to ride the crab boats of northumberland.

In any event. my Grandad died of meso because he was a coal miner in SDCF. I have little time for people who don't know what it is.

Where do you live? And, more importantly, do they allow Canadians to move in?

*points to "location" under "join date"*

Fastfood
Janitor
Grain worker
Construction worker
Night Security
Now I'm a student worker

And you're just a sad, sad individual who likes to pretend he's still in the sand box at kinder garten and thinks calling people names gives value to what you say.

/Middle class socialist living in a socialist country. Suck it!

Well good for you sir. I should applaud you since that is the way of the middle class. When can I expect you and your public school education to come to my town and tell me how to live.

I am so glad that instutionlized buggery is the way to parliament. It makes a lot of sense. Should I start covering up for the sodomy know, or leave it until you are elected.

In any event. my Grandad died of meso because he was a coal miner in SDCF. I have little time for people who don't know what it is.

Well, one of my grandfathers was one of the ones that built the Burma railroad. 66% fatality rate in 3 years. He happened to survive, but was a fucked up wreck for the rest of his life... so does this validate or invalidate my political opinions?

Fastfood
Janitor
Grain worker
Construction worker
Night Security
Now I'm a student worker

Can you lose a limb with any of those.

another middle class wanker.

go spend a econd down a mine, or a second on a crab boat. then grow up and tell me how hard it is to be a pathologist. dick :rolleyes:
Yes, I am lower-middle class. Though I've grown up in an upper-middle class neighbourhood. And I take it you must be resentful that you don't have a better job. Advanced science is not what I'd call an "easy" subject. It can be enjoyable for certain people, which is what I think you meant. And when I talked about pathology and demiology, I was referring to those who deal with dangerous diseases, like the haemorrhagic fevers, Ebola and Lassa included. Do you have any idea how f**king scarey it is to poke yourself with a needle that might have Ebola on it? I have no personal experience with it, but some of these people are working with diseases that have up to a 90% mortality rate. I can scarcely think of a more dangerous job than working with hot viruses in Central Africa.

Can you lose a limb with any of those.
You can lose the lining of your oesophagus and stomach with Ebola. You can lose all facial muscles with Marburg, and still walk around, even though you're vomiting up virus-permeated blood.

Can you lose a limb with any of those.

As a grain worker I spent half of my time on top of 200 foot high grain elevators, the other half I was inside the grain bins, one of the most dangerous places to work period, all the while breathing in massive amounts of grain dust.

I think the dangers of construction work are obvious.

EDIT: And all for minimum wage.

Well good for you sir. I should applaud you since that is the way of the middle class. When can I expect you and your public school education to come to my town and tell me how to live.

Oh, when you start trying to tell people what they're allowed to say and think.

I am so glad that instutionlized buggery is the way to parliament. It makes a lot of sense. Should I start covering up for the sodomy know, or leave it until you are elected.

And that longingly homoerotic piece of gibberish was trying to say...?

*points to "location" under "join date"*

Cool. Do you guys commonly speak English, French, Spanish or do I really have to learn Swedish?

As a grain worker I spent half of my time on top of 200 foot high grain elevators, the other half I was inside the grain bins, one of the most dangerous places to work period, all the while breathing in massive amounts of grain dust.

I think the dangers of construction work are obvious.

EDIT: And all for minimum wage.

You qualify then. You can spout off all you want.

There isn't much for threads tonight.

I'm not a socialist, but I'm just arguing with Lacadaemon for lack of anything better to do.

Can you lose a limb with any of those.

It would seem to me that basing the right to hold a political opinion on the possibility of losing a limb in your day to day work is going to disenfranchise a hell of a lot of people who spend their waking hours looking after children: so do you really want to tell 50%+ of the female population that they have no right to speak on matters of politics?

Oh, when you start trying to tell people what they're allowed to say and think.



And that longingly homoerotic piece of gibberish was trying to say...?

You are a little left wing middle class tit. Always trying to be cool with the working class. You have never done a days work in your entire fucking life, so shut up.

first of all.. let me say i in no way support socialism.. i firmly belive that if you want something bad enough, and are able to see your goal clearly you can map out a plan and acheive it.. no matter what your social class is.. That being said.. there is a defensiable possion for socialites.. especially those middle class. economic policies run in this country go 2 ways.. to the dirt poor a nd the filthy rich..everyone left in the middle is left to fend for themselves.. why is it our government is catering to the minorities while the majority of peoples don't get to enjoy the disgusting government/welfare hand outs or endless finacial aid (for the poor) or the massive tax deductions (for the rich) .. shouldn't the (democratic) government we have be catering to the needs of the majority.. being the middle class.. if anything the poor should have to work harder to make it into the middle class.. and the rich should give back some of their wealth for the opprotunities they've exploited in the country.

and im intersted to know what this anti socialite is doing right now for a job... not what he did ages ago.. or how his grandfather died.. casue quite frankly he is not his grandfather.. Surely bill gates coudln't use his poor slob of a grand father to argue against socialism..

In fact the poor should be pleading for socialism as they are suppose to be lower then dirt.. socialism would give them even more handouts then in the current system (not that i belive they deserve these "all" these handouts mind u)

I have set my goals far beyond the limitations of my socio-economic status and while i realize i have it better off then many others.. i know im no where near even upper middle class and will earn everything i acheive the hard way.

You are a little left wing middle class tit. Always trying to be cool with the working class. You have never done a days work in your entire fucking life, so shut up.


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You ARE aware that the middle class IS the working class, right?


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Right?

Caretaker (which involved fixing a hell of a lot of toilets).Hmm, no. I used to ride the crab boats of northumberland.



So, fixing sewers is respectable, honest work, but fixing toilets isn't? Explain that to me the next time I have my hand down a U-bend that someone has smashed a bottle in and people have then shat on, would you?

Cool. Do you guys commonly speak English, French, Spanish or do I really have to learn Swedish?

English is the most common second language here and most people do speak it, but we speak Swedish in Sweden, so you'd eventually have to learn it.

How low class are you that you have the time to bitch about the middle class on an internet forum on your computer?

It would seem to me that basing the right to hold a political opinion on the possibility of losing a limb in your day to day work is going to disenfranchise a hell of a lot of people who spend their waking hours looking after children: so do you really want to tell 50%+ of the female population that they have no right to speak on matters of politics?


Yeah, I think that only those who have had a badly paid job that potentially incurs injury really knows what the deal is. Otherwise it’s all just fucking around.

You know the bored middle class kids trying to rearange the world.

Hosing out garbage trucks :eek:
Warehouse worker (Watch out for speeding forklifts!)
Paving crew (asphalt worker)
Now working as a printer.

English is the most common second language here and most people do speak it, but we speak Swedish in Sweden, so you'd eventually have to learn it.

Darnit. I'm trilingual, and it's not even enough for you guys. Oh, well... it's either Swedish or Danish, I'm screwed either way.

You are a little left wing middle class tit. Always trying to be cool with the working class. You have never done a days work in your entire fucking life, so shut up.

Yeah, sure. Whatever preconcieved notion and prejudice helps comfort you and your simplistic views.

/Should not mention mine 78 hour shifts at the ER.

You are a little left wing middle class tit. Always trying to be cool with the working class. You have never done a days work in your entire fucking life, so shut up.
First of all, I don't think you're quite a low-down as you're trying to give us the impression of. I recall you speaking quite intelligently before, and what you're spouting out now is that only people who do hard, physically demanding and damaging work, excluding biological and chemical dangers in science work, deserve to have any say on economic theory. And your name is a slight varient on Lacedaemon, the Romanised spelling of the archaic name for Sparta. Most people don't know that without reading Homer...and I would think that people who spend all day doing impossibly dangerous physical labour would have no interest in ancient Greek mythos.

So, fixing sewers is respectable, honest work, but fixing toilets isn't? Explain that to me the next time I have my hand down a U-bend that someone has smashed a bottle in and people have then shat on, would you?


Hmm, you've never done sewer work obviously. Shit is disgusting when you are plumbing, fatal when you do sewers. That is the difference.

And yes I did sewers for a while too.

of course middle class kids are trying to rearange the world.. they should be... they are close enough to poverty to know what it looks like and how bad it is.. while they are actually educated.. meanwhile those who are REALLY poor dont know their heads from their asses in the political world.. the rich coudln't care less either way.. they own u me and everything else in this country

Lacadaemon, I understand your point completely!

I am going to give up the battle for workers rights and an equal society, seeing as you obviously don't want them. You can work your damn 14 hour days, you can earn a fraction of the pay that you are now, you can be fired on the spot for no reason at all for all I care. Hell, I hope you're not ethnic, because everyone knows that ethnics are poor workers. Your children won't need schooling either- an honest hard days work shouldn't need literacy. Oh and this public healthcare business? Screw that. It's your problem, not mine if you get sick. Being upper-middle-class, I can certainly afford to take care of myself- you're not important. And hooray! I get a tax cut!

You've saved me from being a middle-class socialist! I guess I owe you something. You can shovel shit at my fertilizer factory, for $2 an hour. But dont you *dare* think about joining a union. Oh, and I should mention, we don't have a workplace safety program or compensation if you're injured.

dude, "more working class than thou" is an even more fun game than "more punk rawk than thou"

Yeah, I think that only those who have had a badly paid job that potentially incurs injury really knows what the deal is. Otherwise it’s all just fucking around.

You know the bored middle class kids trying to rearange the world.

So, George Orwell, despite his middle class upbringing, when he decided to spend a year down and out in paris and london earned the right to speak of politics?

Yeah, sure. Whatever preconcieved notion and prejudice helps comfort you and your simplistic views.

/Should not mention mine 78 hour shifts at the ER.


Well don't let that MD stop you from feeling superior to the rest of us sparky.

You've saved me from being a middle-class socialist! I guess I owe you something. You can shovel shit at my fertilizer factory, for $2 an hour.

You don't want that, there is no way he can shovel enough to keep up with the amount of shit coming out of his mouth.

Darnit. I'm trilingual, and it's not even enough for you guys. Oh, well... it's either Swedish or Danish, I'm screwed either way.

Well, English is enough to get by. I mean, everybody's going to understand you and be able to talk to you, but if you want to read papers and watch TV and participate in society, Swedish would be a requisite. It's not that hard to learn, really.

So, George Orwell, despite his middle class upbringing, when he decided to spend a year down and out in paris and london earned the right to speak of politics?

I think the road to wiggin pier earned that for him. Or homage to catalonia.

Leave george out of this, he lived with the working class and would concur absolutley with what I am saying.

dude, "more working class than thou" is an even more fun game than "more punk rawk than thou"

I am winning so far too!!!

I have the right to bitch!!!! :verycool:

Well don't let that MD stop you from feeling superior to the rest of us sparky.

I feel superior to you, not everyone else.

Well don't let that MD stop you from feeling superior to the rest of us sparky.
So basically what you're saying is that unskilled labour is the hardest type. The type that doesn't require you to go to school for 10 years. Or even go to school at all. Screw literacy! Screw education! I'm currently in my first year of private school, in 10th grade. Let's screw public education, and let anyone whose parents can't afford to send their children to school just send their children to work in sewers, so that they earn the right to talk about economic theory!

So, George Orwell, despite his middle class upbringing, when he decided to spend a year down and out in paris and london earned the right to speak of politics?

George Orwell is the G*d of politics. Let us all revere in his name and spread his teachings.

Seriously though, Animal farm rocks.

You don't want that, there is no way he can shovel enough to keep up with the amount of shit coming out of his mouth.

Well if he regurgitates it on my property, I claim it as my shit. Condition of employment.

wow.. im glad those dirt poor people sucking on the government for welfare checks who are the only ones who know what a "REAL" days worth of work means have the time to learn about george orwell.. LoL ... sounds to me some little rich kid just wants to stir up trouble .. looking for ways to better fill his overly privilaged life

I think the road to wiggin pier earned that for him. Or homage to catalonia.

Leave george out of this, he lived with the working class and would concur absolutley with what I am saying.

Ok, now we are getting somewhere: it isn't against the notions of socialism themselves that you are railing, but rather the spouting off of these socialist notions as dogma unbacked up by experience? (Forgive me if this seems patently obvious to everyone else)

Well if he regurgitates it on my property, I claim it as my shit. Condition of employment.

What are you fertilizing?

I am afraid Lacadaemon's waste would kill it.

So basically what you're saying is that unskilled labour is the hardest type. The type that doesn't require you to go to school for 10 years. Or even go to school at all. Screw literacy! Screw education! I'm currently in my first year of private school, in 10th grade. Let's screw public education, and let anyone whose parents can't afford to send their children to school just send their children to work in sewers, so that they earn the right to talk about economic theory!

Yes, because otherwise you are not fit to comment.

What are you fertilizing?

I am afraid Lacadaemon's waste would kill it.

Good point, i'll turn it into an explosives factory. More profit in war. And besides, the fertilizer business isn't taking off as well as the carcinogenic pesticide business now that all of those safety laws are gone.

Yes, because otherwise you are not fit to comment.

You see, just because you say it doesn't make it true. On the contrary, it makes it even less valid.

Yes, because otherwise you are not fit to comment.

Why are lower-class people fit to comment on the economy? Because they make the least amount of money?

Yes, because otherwise you are not fit to comment.

I don't understand why you complain. It is the lower classes that have more to gain than the middle classes. If middle class people want to support socialism what is the problem? They could just as easily get a tax-break and end up personally better off.

Yes, because otherwise you are not fit to comment.
Are you aware that economics is a complex science, as I stated earlier. Just because one doesn't know first-hand what it is like to be in the working class doesn't mean that it is impossible to empathise and know actually how to improve the economy. And since you've apparently never done middle-class work, like pathology, demiology, or ER nursing, do you have a right to say how easy or hard those jobs are? Or how dangerous? You are speaking in ignorance, while criticising others of it as well. Socialists want to help the working class. I do too. I want heavier taxes on rich people, which I will probably end up in the higher realm of income, and much, much less on the poorer ones. I have no idea where you get this idea that just because a person is middle-class, they cannot speak on how to improve the economy or working conditions. I think you're just frustrated about something, and are venting here.

Ok, now we are getting somewhere: it isn't against the notions of socialism themselves that you are railing, but rather the spouting off of these socialist notions as dogma unbacked up by experience? (Forgive me if this seems patently obvious to everyone else)


Yah, now you get it. Unless you have lived the life, you are not fit to judge.

Through a lot of luck I have become sucessful and what most people would call upper middle class. Nevertheless, frequently I am confronted by twats and their economic theories of life. For example, Thatcher killed the mining industry.

Well you know what idiot, the mine was my destiny too, thank god thatcher killed them. I find it jolly that my G'dad died of meso, and my father has no right arm, nevertheless Mr. Middle class socialist, I am happy that you think that thatcher killed *my* way of life.

What's more, you little english middle class puke, I am now a lawyer, which I never could have accomplished in the english socialist utopia.

So yeah, I have a lot of pent up hatred against the english and their faux socialism.

Are you aware that economics is a complex science, as I stated earlier. Just because one doesn't know first-hand what it is like to be in the working class doesn't mean that it is impossible to empathise and know actually how to improve the economy. And since you've apparently never done middle-class work, like pathology, demiology, or ER nursing, do you have a right to say how easy or hard those jobs are? Or how dangerous? You are speaking in ignorance, while criticising others of it as well. Socialists want to help the working class. I do too. I want heavier taxes on rich people, which I will probably end up in the higher realm of income, and much, much less on the poorer ones. I have no idea where you get this idea that just because a person is middle-class, they cannot speak on how to improve the economy or working conditions. I think you're just frustrated about something, and are venting here.

Go down a mine.

What's more, you little english middle class puke, I am now a lawyer, which I never could have accomplished in the english socialist utopia.

If that comment was directed at me: that's Northern Irish middle class anarchist puke, thank you.

That's Northern Irish middle class anarchist puke, thank you.

Middle class, all the same :rolleyes:

What's more, you little english middle class puke, I am now a lawyer, which I never could have accomplished in the english socialist utopia.

So yeah, I have a lot of pent up hatred against the english and their faux socialism.
Ah! Now we're getting somewhere. In a true socialist society, a person would do what they are best at, ideally. In a socialist society, you wouldn't have started out poor, since that is the goal, to eliminate classes. It seems that you're mad at pseudo-communism, which is what Stalinism is. You're yelling at the wrong people, friend. Socialists here actually want real socialism.

Middle class, all the same :rolleyes:

Unless you're George Orwell...

So are you now in a position where, as a lawyer, your children would be middle class?

So...because of where I was born...I'm not allowed to make political commentary?

So...because of where I was born...I'm not allowed to make political commentary?

Yeah, I thought this was the whole point of being an American: being able to speak about anything on your mind no matter what social level you're on.

Ah! Now we're getting somewhere. In a true socialist society, a person would do what they are best at, ideally. In a socialist society, you wouldn't have started out poor, since that is the goal, to eliminate classes. It seems that you're mad at pseudo-communism, which is what Stalinism is. You're yelling at the wrong people, friend. Socialists here actually want real socialism.

Go get a real job for a while. Then you can comment. It has never entered your head "private school boy" that you might actually have to work to a living. You naturally assume that in the event of socialism you will be part of the directing class. If you are serious about your socialism you would drop out of private school and become a working class leader; if you are that smart.

But you are not. At the end of the day you will revel in all your advantages and lord them over the rest of the disadvanteged and tell them you are destined to rule because you are best able.

You are actually a fascist.

Yeah, I thought this was the whole point of being an American: being able to speak about anything on your mind no matter what social level you're on.
Nope, apparently only if you've risked life and limb. And this doesn't count if your working with hot viruses in the field in the middle of Africa with no communications for hundreds of miles and hordes of patients bursting with one of the most deadly diseases known to man, and having to draw blood daily and deal with needles and syringes all the time, while having to wear literal space suits in the smoldeing heat. Crabbing and sewage work is all that allows you political standing through suffering. Christ didn't have the right to give economic policy either, even though he died for our sins, he never did an honest day's work in the salt mines.

So...because of where I was born...I'm not allowed to make political commentary?

Well list your jobs. You might be.

Nope, apparently only if you've risked life and limb. And this doesn't count if your working with hot viruses in the field in the middle of Africa with no communications for hundreds of miles and hordes of patients bursting with one of the most deadly diseases known to man, and having to draw blood daily and deal with needles and syringes all the time, while having to wear literal space suits in the smoldeing heat. Crabbing and sewage work is all that allows you political standing through suffering. Christ didn't have the right to give economic policy either, even though he died for our sins, he never did an honest day's work in the salt mines.

You have never been to africa. So shut up.

Lacadaemon, I understand your point completely!

I am going to give up the battle for workers rights and an equal society, seeing as you obviously don't want them. You can work your damn 14 hour days, you can earn a fraction of the pay that you are now, you can be fired on the spot for no reason at all for all I care. Hell, I hope you're not ethnic, because everyone knows that ethnics are poor workers. Your children won't need schooling either- an honest hard days work shouldn't need literacy. Oh and this public healthcare business? Screw that. It's your problem, not mine if you get sick. Being upper-middle-class, I can certainly afford to take care of myself- you're not important. And hooray! I get a tax cut!

You've saved me from being a middle-class socialist! I guess I owe you something. You can shovel shit at my fertilizer factory, for $2 an hour. But dont you *dare* think about joining a union. Oh, and I should mention, we don't have a workplace safety program or compensation if you're injured.


Right on!

Unless you're George Orwell...

So are you now in a position where, as a lawyer, your children would be middle class?


I don't have children. My drive to get out of the pit stopped that.

I actually really regret that. :(

of course middle class kids are trying to rearange the world.. they should be... they are close enough to poverty to know what it looks like and how bad it is.. while they are actually educated.. meanwhile those who are REALLY poor dont know their heads from their asses in the political world.. the rich coudln't care less either way.. they own u me and everything else in this country

Here here, well said. Fritz Lang had it right in Metropolis - between the head and the hands, there needs to be a heart mediating.

Now, I know that Lacy may just be trolling, but hey, may as well address whatever it is. After all, I grew up working on a dairy farm in Wisconsin. Just so the high and mighty author of this thread can review my credentials so he may graciously grant me permission to speak, that means working around cranky, flighty females that weigh as much as small cars (something like security duty on Springer, I'd imagine) and machinery that's been known to leave only sheds of flesh and limbs as evidence of what it did to their owner.

The idea that anyone can't speak about anything they damn well please is absurd...no, laughable. As someone else pointed out, are you telling me that some guy with an 8th grade education is the only one qualified in your mind to discuss complicated political and economic theory? How ridiculous. They certainly deserve a say, as much as anyone else, but to say that theirs should be the sole opinion is idiocy. You are, indeed, stereotyping, and don't see how you have any credibility in stating what their motives are.

Incidentally, since you (dubiously) claim to be of the lower working class, can we take this thread as further evidence that your point is utterly without merit? Is this the kind of debate that comes from letting such people run discussion? Weren't you just b-tching that those middle class socialists were advocating a viewpoint because they expect to be on top? And just how is what you're proposing any different for you?

Well hmmm

Mom is a nurse.
My old man disapppeard but he was a crappy soldier and a clerk.

I worked my granddads farm.
Cooked Chicken for a fast food.
Sold sports and tools for Sears.
Computer operator for a truck company.
The goverment.
Disney Store
Systems Administrator
WAN Engineer
Someday a primatologist. Africa or Malaysia.....

Well hmmm

Mom is a nurse.
My old man disapppeard but he was a crappy soldier and a clerk.

I worked my granddads farm.
Cooked Chicken for a fast food.
Sold sports and tools for Sears.
Computer operator for a truck company.
The goverment.
Disney Store
Systems Administrator
WAN Engineer
Someday a primatologist. Africa or Malaysia.....

Okay, you knoe that life is crappy, but you have an idea of where you want to go. You can comment.

Go get a real job for a while. Then you can comment. It has never entered your head "private school boy" that you might actually have to work to a living. You naturally assume that in the event of socialism you will be part of the directing class. If you are serious about your socialism you would drop out of private school and become a working class leader; if you are that smart.

But you are not. At the end of the day you will revel in all your advantages and lord them over the rest of the disadvanteged and tell them you are destined to rule because you are best able.

You are actually a fascist.
Woah! First of all, I'm only in private school this year because I was having trouble in public school. I have a few executive functioning problems, shall we say. If this is your impression of everyone in the middle class who thinks that socialism is an ideal form of government, than I understand why you're so pissed. But you're ignorant and stereotyping. I do not think that my country will turn socialist, at least not for a long while. I do not want to become a working class leader. I am not terribly charismatic. What I want to do is biological research. I don't want to rule. I want to study insects or pathogens. I want people to have pretty much all social freedom to do what they want, socially. I exclude things like murder, rape, and theft, but that's pretty much all. I want wealth to be shared among all people in a community. I want the construction worker to get paid just as much as me. I want everyone to have the opportunity to get whatever education they want, which is sorely lacking in today's educational system. That's why I'm in private school, because public school does not fot my needs. I think all children should have this option, and that much more money needs to be spent on education reform, and not on ridiculous programmes like No Child Left Behind. I take Pink Floyd's "Another Brick in the Wall" very seriously, and applies to the modern-day world, not just Britain in the 1970's. I want to work for a living, that is my dream, to work as a biologist. I do not revel in my advantages, I am embarassed by them. I feel ashamed when I see people worse off than I am for no fault of their own. When it is their fault, I feel that something could have been better in their childhood, or myriad other potential problems that were of no fault of the victim. But social work is just not for me, as my passion is science. And no matter how much you rant about your crabbing experiences off the coast of Norway, I will still have a passion for science. And no matter whether you put your life in danger, I will still feel that social equality is a goal worth fighting for, even if you, for some reason are against it.

Woah! First of all, I'm only in private school this year because I was having trouble in public school. I have a few executive functioning problems, shall we say. If this is your impression of everyone in the middle class who thinks that socialism is an ideal form of government, than I understand why you're so pissed. But you're ignorant and stereotyping. I do not think that my country will turn socialist, at least not for a long while. I do not want to become a working class leader. I am not terribly charismatic. What I want to do is biological research. I don't want to rule. I want to study insects or pathogens. I want people to have pretty much all social freedom to do what they want, socially. I exclude things like murder, rape, and theft, but that's pretty much all. I want wealth to be shared among all people in a community. I want the construction worker to get paid just as much as me. I want everyone to have the opportunity to get whatever education they want, which is sorely lacking in today's educational system. That's why I'm in private school, because public school does not fot my needs. I think all children should have this option, and that much more money needs to be spent on education reform, and not on ridiculous programmes like No Child Left Behind. I take Pink Floyd's "Another Brick in the Wall" very seriously, and applies to the modern-day world, not just Britain in the 1970's. I want to work for a living, that is my dream, to work as a biologist. I do not revel in my advantages, I am embarassed by them. I feel ashamed when I see people worse off than I am for no fault of their own. When it is their fault, I feel that something could have been better in their childhood, or myriad other potential problems that were of no fault of the victim. But social work is just not for me, as my passion is science. And no matter how much you rant about your crabbing experiences off the coast of Norway, I will still have a passion for science. And no matter whether you put your life in danger, I will still feel that social equality is a goal worth fighting for, even if you, for some reason are against it.


You know, that's touching. What with your "executive" functioning problems and all.

I am so glad that you are able to drop out of real life to a better situiation because you are not able to cope with real life. But here is my thought. Stop telling the rest of us how to live then. If you were poor this would be a real problem; but it is not for you.

My advice to you is to keep your damn fake middle class hang-ups to yourself. No one cares. There are real people with real problems, i.e. lack of food, out there. Your biggest problem is that you don''t "fit in".

Grow up.

Well no, they don't

But I am glad you gave me your uninformed middle class opinion. Must have sucked making sure those boxes looked right.


Nice to assume you know what the stockboy does. Actually a Wal-mart stock-man (they hate the term stockboy) Is that scrawny little kid running around the parking lot gathering all the carts out, its the kid who climbs the ladders to fetch the tvs from the top shelf, its the kid who hauls your shit out to your car. Box straightening is for those higher up on the Wal-mart ladder.

If you were poor this would be a real problem; but it is not for you.
Exactly my point. Though I am not directly affected, I know that social inequality is indeed a large problem in our society. I will not stop caring, but that is the signal I'm getting from you. If you're not very poor, don't care about those who are. That is what you're saying. So, for the purposes of this arugment, ok. I won't care about disadvantaged people. They can all rot in their hovels for all I care. Capitalism is a wonderful system because I am benefitted by it. When I see homeless people out on the streets begging for money, I just shouldn't care about them, because I've never been in their place. Good to know you're into humanitarianism. Good to know you're up-to-date on learning and functioning disorders as well. I'm guessing your view is that if you've never been stupid, you can't talk about how to improve the education system either.

Exactly my point. Though I am not directly affected, I know that social inequality is indeed a large problem in our society. I will not stop caring, but that is the signal I'm getting from you. If you're not very poor, don't care about those who are. That is what you're saying. So, for the purposes of this arugment, ok. I won't care about disadvantaged people. They can all rot in their hovels for all I care. Capitalism is a wonderful system because I am benefitted by it. When I see homeless people out on the streets begging for money, I just shouldn't care about them, because I've never been in their place. Good to know you're into humanitarianism. Good to know you're up-to-date on learning and functioning disorders as well. I'm guessing your view is that if you've never been stupid, you can't talk about how to improve the education system either.

You can't really care, because it has never affected you. End of story. Frankly, your idea of how to run the world would make it more difficult for someone like me to move up through the class system. You assume that you are naturally part of the professional class, and as such you main duty is to see the people like me – the working class – get a fair deal.

Nowhere in your little weltanschauung have you ever considered class mobility. Admit it. All you cleave to is the thought of a fair deal for people in their place. Sure, you will treat miners well to salve you conscious, but you would never be a miner yourself. Indeed, you make excuses saying that the job you do is more onerous than that of a miner.


If you are serious about your little socialist utopia, you should drop out of private school and attend public school. At least then you would begin to gather the problems that face the poor. If you don’t you are just another posturing asshole.

I'm curious as to your definition of class mobility, Lacadaemon. Not that I want to interfere in the debate, but since I only have brief academic knowledge of the United Kingdom's class structure, I would like to know your personal thoughts on its operating procedure.

Given that my knowledge of social advancement and class striation are limited to the American model of capitalism, I would especially like to understand if our nation's lack of a centralized elite class has anything to do with the spread of socialist ideology in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Since our societies developed along dissimilar lines (primarily due to the lack of a centralized middle class in the United States [until the start of the Gilded age]), this would help me greatly in understanding difficulties that ordinary working class individuals still have in advancing through the social classes in the UK.

I'm curious as to your definition of class mobility, Lacadaemon. Not that I want to interfere in the debate, but since I only have brief academic knowledge of the United Kingdom's class structure, I would like to know your personal thoughts on its operating procedure.

Given that my knowledge of social advancement and class striation are limited to the American model of capitalism, I would especially like to understand if our nation's lack of a centralized elite class has anything to do with the spread of socialist ideology in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Since our societies developed along dissimilar lines (primarily due to the lack of a centralized middle class in the United States [until the start of the Gilded age]), this would help me greatly in understanding difficulties that ordinary working class individuals still have in advancing through the social classes in the UK.

In brief, I was, and always will be a working class gobshite in the UK.

Now, the US does indeed have its own class system. And I won't deny that, the difference is for a coal miners son like me, it is perfectly acceptable to go through a first tier law school. Indeed, based upon my standardized tests, and even though I am a white male, it is my right.

I never had that option in the UK. In fact I was too working class to go to even a third rate law school.

I admit that I am not a harvard grad and that was always out of my reach. I did however graduate from Fordham on the dean's list and went on to sucessfully practice trial law for many years. In england, my best opportunity would have been some kind of skilled trade.

In short; American Universities have a far more open system which leads to professional credentialism for most, if not all.

UK univeristies are stll mired in the class system, and select those who they believe are part of the right class.

As a side note, I was told at high schooll that I would amount to nothing, I am now retired because I have won three of the biggest aviation cases on the east coast.

(I represented airlines in the 9/11 litigation, that would never happen to someone like me in the UK).

Thank you for the time you put into writing that post; since right now I'm aiming for a Bachelor’s Degree in British History with a minor in Continental European Studies, it's nice to dig around and have examples like this as comparative history. After spending a good portion of my childhood and young adult life reading history books, the subject matter becomes flat and almost sterile without a charismatic interview or two to bring personality back into the culture. I will say that although the American class system isn't exactly the fairest, there's still a culture of perceived upward social mobility that seems to be lacking in some of the more "established" societies of the world.

Needless to say I am impressed with your Fordham credentials; I applied to several schools on the East coast (unfortunately I was rejected at every single one). Law has never been something I've even remotely thought of performing, the very idea of the bar examination scares the heck out of me. So I'll stick to a degree of "professional storytelling" and see if I can attach it to something of more immediate use like an economics degree.

Also, since this thread does mention the poor jobs of other individuals, I did work two years full time in a foundry making brake drums with conditions that made Dante's inferno look like a nice vacation. Mmmm... 130 Fahrenheit in the summertime... Good times...

Thank you for the time you put into writing that post; since right now I'm aiming for a Bachelor’s Degree in British History with a minor in Continental European Studies, it's nice to dig around and have examples like this as comparative history. After spending a good portion of my childhood and young adult life reading history books, the subject matter becomes flat and almost sterile without a charismatic interview or two to bring personality back into the culture. I will say that although the American class system isn't exactly the fairest, there's still a culture of perceived upward social mobility that seems to be lacking in some of the more "established" societies of the world.

Needless to say I am impressed with your Fordham credentials; I applied to several schools on the East coast (unfortunately I was rejected at every single one). Law has never been something I've even remotely thought of performing, the very idea of the bar examination scares the heck out of me. So I'll stick to a degree of "professional storytelling" and see if I can attach it to something of more immediate use like an economics degree.

Also, since this thread does mention the poor jobs of other individuals, I did work two years full time in a foundry making brake drums with conditions that made Dante's inferno look like a nice vacation. Mmmm... 130 Fahrenheit in the summertime... Good times...


You are a good guy. If you ever take the bar over here, TG me, I'll give you a hand. I got a pretty impressive score, but it is not that hard if you are methodical about it. The main thing is to set time aside (about 2hrs) every day six weeks before it. Then it is easy.

In brief, I was, and always will be a working class gobshite in the UK.

Now, the US does indeed have its own class system. And I won't deny that, the difference is for a coal miners son like me, it is perfectly acceptable to go through a first tier law school. Indeed, based upon my standardized tests, and even though I am a white male, it is my right.

I never had that option in the UK. In fact I was too working class to go to even a third rate law school.

I admit that I am not a harvard grad and that was always out of my reach. I did however graduate from Fordham on the dean's list and went on to sucessfully practice trial law for many years. In england, my best opportunity would have been some kind of skilled trade.

In short; American Universities have a far more open system which leads to professional credentialism for most, if not all.

UK univeristies are stll mired in the class system, and select those who they believe are part of the right class.

As a side note, I was told at high schooll that I would amount to nothing, I am now retired because I have won three of the biggest aviation cases on the east coast.

(I represented airlines in the 9/11 litigation, that would never happen to someone like me in the UK).

BHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA.... (panting) AHAHAHHAhahahahaah

The idioicy of this entire tread.. whose creator has been bantoring on for hours now about how his working class status makes him more eligibalbe to speak of poverty..

then the bomb shell

he is a trial lawyer.. BHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH

all this has come from the lowest of the low on the social elites list.. those ambulence chacers who do anything for a buck and who are destroying America as we speak...

He is suppose to be the representation of empovrishment.. BAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ill more poor then he is.. and i've allowed this fool to banter on.... meanwhile ive probably a better education and more informed on geo-political/economic conditions then he could be in two lifetimes!! All the while in a social economic status far below that of his!

You make a topic with no questions or original ideas.
You make a topic designed to anger people and stir emotions.
Why? You despise socialists. Ok. So what? So do I. Socialism is just junior-kommunism. However, it is not really possible to answer anything but a fancy "yes" or "I disagree" to your original post.

In the future, try to put a little more thought into what you choose to post.

BHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA.... (panting) AHAHAHHAhahahahaah

The idioicy of this entire tread.. whose creator has been bantoring on for hours now about how his working class status makes him more eligibalbe to speak of poverty..

then the bomb shell

he is a trial lawyer.. BHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH

all this has come from the lowest of the low on the social elites list.. those ambulence chacers who do anything for a buck and who are destroying America as we speak...

He is suppose to be the representation of empovrishment.. BAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ill more poor then he is.. and i've allowed this fool to banter on.... meanwhile ive probably a better education and more informed on geo-political/economic conditions then he could be in two lifetimes!! All the while in a social economic status far below that of his!


As I said, I was poor, now I am not.

You however are a foul little elitest who wants to put people like me down the mines. All the time telling yourself that you really care about the “common man”.

You know the difference between you and me? I can insult you to your face, because when I do there is jack shit you can do about it. You however can only insult me over the internet, because if you said that to my face I would smack your little smug middle class body into the deck so hard you would stop breathing.

But well done, Mr. “I grew up with every advantage butthole” I am glad you can mock someone like me doing well for themselves. Carry on with your little socialist crap however, you will still die a virgin.

Alright this whole thing just stinks of hypocracy. You complain about the working conditions for the lower classes then bad the social group trying hardest to help it. I am anti-socialist but for some real reasons. Let me begin by saying im upper middle class (yay for me) and I dont really care if you think I should be allowed an opinion because im going to have one anyway :D . I am a libertarian.

Oh and this public healthcare business? Screw that. It's your problem, not mine if you get sick.

I know your being sarcastic but the scary thing is, I believe this. Not because im evil but because I dont think I should be forced to use my money on something I dont want to. It should be noted that I would (and do) donate money to charities (which would then be hospitals included) and just dont believe in forced charity. Socialists argue that its our community duty to help those in need and im sure they believe that but why should it be up to them to decide what we should all feel the need to do? Their beliefs arent everyones and they have no right to tell me how I should feel.

AAAAnd now i call bullshit.

Anyone whose passed the bar, and become well off afterward knows better than to "smack them so hard they'll stop breathing" because its a quick route to being poor. Lawyers, especially successful ones know better than to let their emotions lead them to situations where their asses can be sued.

As I said, I was poor, now I am not.

You however are a foul little elitest who wants to put people like me down the mines. All the time telling yourself that you really care about the “common man”.

You know the difference between you and me? I can insult you to your face, because when I do there is jack shit you can do about it. You however can only insult me over the internet, because if you said that to my face I would smack your little smug middle class body into the deck so hard you would stop breathing.

But well done, Mr. “I grew up with every advantage butthole” I am glad you can mock someone like me doing well for themselves. Carry on with your little socialist crap however, you will still die a virgin.

since your in a higher socio economic class then i am.. it is impossible to call me the elitiest.. even though you attained your wealth through the most reprehensisable means possible.. amubluence chaser.. And as a trail lawyer you should know.. if u ever landed a single finger on me you'd best be prepared to lose all that youve gained cause in america we are a people who use lawyers like you to SUE THE CRAP OUT PEOPLE WE DONT LIKE....

and unlike you I still maintain a moralistic compsoure.. and saying ill die a virgin does not insult me in the slightest.. Im not a salve to my sexual impusles and dying a virgin is fine for me if i have not found the girl id like to be with.

I find it humerous you speak of your concern for the common man while you exploit their hardship to earn an easy buck.. there is a reason why trial lawyers are seen as the lowest of the elites.. the manner in which they attain their wealth is far outside any scope of honor.. hell the CEO of ENRON has more honor in him then a trail lawyer.. who would sue his own mother if he knew he would get an easy buck

AAAAnd now i call bullshit.

Anyone whose passed the bar, and become well off afterward knows better than to "smack them so hard they'll stop breathing" because its a quick route to being poor. Lawyers, especially successful ones know better than to let their emotions lead them to situations where their asses can be sued.

No I am judgment proof. You learn how to do that with a law degree.

since your in a higher socio economic class then i am.. it is impossible to call me the elitiest.. even though you attained your wealth through the most reprehensisable means possible.. amubluence chaser.. And as a trail lawyer you should know.. if u ever landed a single finger on me you'd best be prepared to lose all that youve gained cause in america we are a people who use lawyers like you to SUE THE CRAP OUT PEOPLE WE DONT LIKE....

and unlike you I still maintain a moralistic compsoure.. and saying ill die a virgin does not insult me in the slightest.. Im not a salve to my sexual impusles and dying a virgin is fine for me if i have not found the girl id like to be with.

I find it humerous you speak of your concern for the common man while you exploit their hardship to earn an easy buck.. there is a reason why trial lawyers are seen as the lowest of the elites.. they manner in which they attain their wealth is far outside any scope of honor


Get a real job, then judge.

Unless and until you have spent your time after work cleaning feces from under your fingernails for 9$ an hour, how dare you judge me.

You are typical of the socialist elite. What is more digusting to you is not that I now have more money than you, but that I rose from the working class ranks. Well I'm sorry buddy, there is a million just like me who are going to make your life hard forever. Live with it or drop out.

No I am judgment proof. You learn how to do that with a law degree.


Jeezus H Christ...do you ever shut up?

Alright this whole thing just stinks of hypocracy. You complain about the working conditions for the lower classes then bad the social group trying hardest to help it. I am anti-socialist but for some real reasons. Let me begin by saying im upper middle class (yay for me) and I dont really care if you think I should be allowed an opinion because im going to have one anyway :D . I am a libertarian.


I know your being sarcastic but the scary thing is, I believe this. Not because im evil but because I dont think I should be forced to use my money on something I dont want to. It should be noted that I would (and do) donate money to charities (which would then be hospitals included) and just dont believe in forced charity. Socialists argue that its our community duty to help those in need and im sure they believe that but why should it be up to them to decide what we should all feel the need to do? Their beliefs arent everyones and they have no right to tell me how I should feel.


An honest toff. I can respect that too, so long as they can respect my rise through the ranks.

What I cannot abide is middle class socialists tellling the rest of the fucking world how they should live. Wankers.

Get a real job, then judge.

Unless and until you have spent your time after work cleaning feces from under your fingernails for 9$ an hour, how dare you judge me.

You are typical of the socialist elite. What is more digusting to you is not that I now have more money than you, but that I rose from the working class ranks. Well I'm sorry buddy, there is a million just like me who are going to make your life hard forever. Live with it or drop out.


Actually what is disgusting to me is that youve SOMEHOW managed to get where you are without somehow developing a SHRED of empathy for your fellow man.

Given the choice of trial lawyer as your profession I suppose i really shouldnt be suprised though.

You somehow equate socialism with an inability to improve ones lot in life. And while in extreme cases this is true the soft socialism many on the left in america espouse has nothing to do with that, and EVERYTHING to do with ensuring that everyone has the opportunity to succeed if they work hard at it. Fretting that the left is "keeping you down" is just your way of rationalizing your shift to the right, who quite frankly have been greasing the lower classes up and aiming for penetration for quite some time now. Its in your best interests NOW to support less socialistic policies because YOU already got yours. Or i suppose you're going to tell me you put yourself through law school with no grants scholarships or student loans.

That's a pretty bold statement. Care to back it up? To me, it seems that it is possible for somebody to care about something they have never directly experienced. Empathy and feelings. I can "care" about other people who experience things that I never have and never will experience.

Can you somehow back up the claim that it's impossible to care about something that you haven't personally experienced?

You've never been really poor, have you?

You can't pretend thgat type of thing you know. Most of the middle class think that they have "principals" over 50 cents an hour in wage differential. When you are poor that is the difference between not eating and eating. What sucks even more is that kids who are well off are more likely to get the job, so instantly you make less than them in any case.

Unless you have been there you can never understand.

An honest toff. I can respect that too, so long as they can respect my rise through the ranks.

What I cannot abide is middle class socialists tellling the rest of the fucking world how they should live. Wankers.

Rise through the ranks? Aiming for that Wal-Mart promotion then?

And just out of curiosity, just how do you define middle class? It seems to me that you are the middle class socialist trying to tell the rest of the world how to live. And by that, you're the wanker.

quite frankly.. you can have your money.. i see it as an ends to a mean and nothing else.. if a trail lawyer is the extent of your social status success.. i pitty you..

I set my stands far beyond that of a trail lawyer.. any shumck can become one.. infact.. most do..

Dont bark at me about your poor deprived life.. you went to a university.. only 20% of the youth in this country actually get to graduate with a bacholors degree.. your no one who knows a hard life.. i could pick a hundred kids off the street who'd make your life look like bill gates's on a good day.

Coal miners son.. what a joke.. If you ever even took a step in a coal mine it was on your own accord.. not some elitets pushing u in.. i never followed in the footsteps of my father and his poor job.. I make my own Path and i blame no one else for my faults

go and look for your scape goat.. youll always be a lowly trail laywer... thankfully bush will soon put a swift end to your kind.. and the massive degrading effect u have on our economy and healthcare system.

Dont worry.. ill try to rember the little people (*trial lawyers cough*) who made it all happen LOL

BHAHAHAHAHAHAHaalshdlf LOLOLOLOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rise through the ranks? Aiming for that Wal-Mart promotion then?

And just out of curiosity, just how do you define middle class? It seems to me that you are the middle class socialist trying to tell the rest of the world how to live. And by that, you're the wanker.

Nope, I'm retired now.

You however are a workshy little turd. If it wasn't for your mummy and daddy you would spend most of your days having the shit kicked out of you by the rest of the youth. You should get on your knees and thank god for private school, snob.

Nope, I'm retired now.

You however are a workshy little turd. If it wasn't for your mummy and daddy you would spend most of your days having the shit kicked out of you by the rest of the youth. You should get on your knees and thank god for private school, snob.


Leave it to an ambulance chaser to start slinging mud :rolleyes:

seeing how the middle class is the majority.. there simply arn't enough poor kids to kick the shit out o fthe middle class kids.. in fact they dont have time.. as they are all slaving away in coal mines right ?
you make it sound like the imporvished out number the middle class..
u best look at those demographic statistics again.. either that or use that money u got to .. u know.. get a better education then fordham..

Any kid who has time to beat up on a middle class kid isn't worth his weight in coal isn't that right ?


Leave it to an ambulance chaser to start slinging mud

LOL T_T tears of laughter.. too true.. too true

quite frankly.. you can have your money.. i see it as an ends to a mean and nothing else.. if a trail lawyer is the extent of your social status success.. i pitty you..

I set my stands far beyond that of a trail lawyer.. any shumck can become one.. infact.. most do..

Dont bark at me about your poor deprived life.. you went to a university.. only 20% of the youth in this country actually get to graduate with a bacholors degree.. your no one who knows a hard life.. i could pick a hundred kids off the street who'd make your life look like bill gates's on a good day.

Coal miners son.. what a joke.. If you ever even took a step in a coal mine it was on your own accord.. not some elitets pushing u in.. i never followed in the footsteps of my father and his poor job.. I make my own Path and i blame no one else for my faults

go and look for your scape goat.. youll always be a lowly trail laywer... thankfully bush will soon put a swift end to your kind.. and the massive degrading effect u have on our economy and healthcare system.

Dont worry.. ill try to rember the little people (*trial lawyers cough*) who made it all happen LOL

BHAHAHAHAHAHAHaalshdlf LOLOLOLOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Oh well said. When I next visit my dad, who doesn't have a right arm, I will remind him that people like you are out there working on his behalf. Good job asshat. God forbid that anyone should better themselves.

I'm a software developer. I earn €4500/month and I have about €80 000 on my bank account. I work about 20 hours per week and I have 3 month holidays avery years. I'm 25 and I think I will retire at 30 if everything goes on track. Then I'll get money from my shares at the company I work for. I just wish I didn't have to pay all those nasty taxes and I could retire even earlier.

Nope, I'm retired now.

You however are a workshy little turd. If it wasn't for your mummy and daddy you would spend most of your days having the shit kicked out of you by the rest of the youth. You should get on your knees and thank god for private school, snob.

...whereas you are obviously a judgemental prick who probably cant sustain an erection, and you obviously have issues in venting your frustrations.

Those 'judgements' couldnt be further from the truth. And you're making me laugh. More please! :D

*SNIP*
I'm trusting everyone read the original post.
If it's any consolation for you (and, for the record, I'm not particularly fond of socialism, so I really oughtn't be replying, but I want to play here, so there), I'm well on my way to being lower-class, economically speaking.
I've been in the service industry most of my life, despite a college education. Currently I am a bartender. It's somewhat dangerous (metal detectors are used where I work, on certain nights), very hard (try standing up for 10-14 hours straight sometime, with a contant barrage of idiots in your face) and can be smelly (don't get me started: puke, feces, halitosis, BO, that skanky ho's noxious perfume, etc...)

you best do that.. people in his class level arn't smart enough to kno they need help.. and people in the elite class level couldn't care less.. he should know someone cares.. unlike you of course.. who is a sell out..

Hey.. if ur father lost his arm.. why dont u help him sue.. there is a good way of getting him out of poverty too..

Leave it to an ambulance chaser to start slinging mud :rolleyes:

It's funny how you classify me as an ambulance chaser. Doubly odd since I have never done a malpractice or PI case in my life.

Yet again the typical elitism shows through. God forbid anyone can make anything of themselves. Of course when you have all finished your little puke private schools and graduated Yale, you will no doubt whine about the grasping nature of the "lazy" poor.

Hypocrites.

If it's any consolation for you (and, for the record, I'm not particularly fond of socialism, so I really oughtn't be replying, but I want to play here, so there), I'm well on my way to being lower-class, economically speaking.
I've been in the service industry most of my life, despite a college education. Currently I am a bartender. It's somewhat dangerous (metal detectors are used where I work, on certain nights), very hard (try standing up for 10-14 hours straight sometime, with a contant barrage of idiots in your face) and can be smelly (don't get me started: puke, feces, halitosis, BO, that skanky ho's noxious perfume, etc...)

Keep your chin up Miss. You can do better I am sure. Don't let the bastards grind you down. Remember, it is not what others think you are worth, it is what you think you are worth. Okay.

you best do that.. people in his class level arn't smart enough to kno they need help.. and people in the elite class level couldn't care less.. he should know someone cares.. unlike you of course.. who is a sell out..

Hey.. if ur father lost his arm.. why dont u help him sue.. there is a good way of getting him out of poverty too..


No, I look after my parents. What do you think I am, some kind of middle class self centered git?

He lost his arm back in the 80s. It is too late to sue now. Believe me I would if I could. I am however pursuing HM gov in respect of my grandads meso tho'.

Actually what is disgusting to me is that youve SOMEHOW managed to get where you are without somehow developing a SHRED of empathy for your fellow man.

Given the choice of trial lawyer as your profession I suppose i really shouldnt be suprised though.

You somehow equate socialism with an inability to improve ones lot in life. And while in extreme cases this is true the soft socialism many on the left in america espouse has nothing to do with that, and EVERYTHING to do with ensuring that everyone has the opportunity to succeed if they work hard at it. Fretting that the left is "keeping you down" is just your way of rationalizing your shift to the right, who quite frankly have been greasing the lower classes up and aiming for penetration for quite some time now. Its in your best interests NOW to support less socialistic policies because YOU already got yours. Or i suppose you're going to tell me you put yourself through law school with no grants scholarships or student loans.

"Soft socialism"? "In America"? What the fuck are you talking about? Socialism doesn't exist in America, soft or fucking chewy. More people are kept in their place in America than anywhere else, under the pretence of a joke called "meritocracy". Which means basically that if you're poor, you'll get a shit education and no job prospects. But everyone feels better because no one is given special privileges. What a crock of shit.

First of all, I don't think you're quite a low-down as you're trying to give us the impression of. I recall you speaking quite intelligently before, and what you're spouting out now is that only people who do hard, physically demanding and damaging work, excluding biological and chemical dangers in science work, deserve to have any say on economic theory. And your name is a slight varient on Lacedaemon, the Romanised spelling of the archaic name for Sparta. Most people don't know that without reading Homer...and I would think that people who spend all day doing impossibly dangerous physical labour would have no interest in ancient Greek mythos.
*cheers*

well.. this whole thread has been a real laugh.. finding out ur true occupation even more histerical..

ill try to think of your hard child hood.. with your college education in mind.. and u know.. ill just ignore the other 80% of this coutnry that dosn't get to enjoy those same luxuries.. and how your "one of them"

hey didnt' bill gates grow up as a farm boy ? he must be one of your working class citizens too.. damn.. i wish i could be an impoverished working boy like him .. maybe then i could have more money then god too..

Actually, lacadaemon is the correct spelling.

Socialism doesn't exist in America, soft or fucking chewy.
LMAO.
Thank you!
I'm still technically only on page 3 of this thread, but that might have done it for me. I'll just finish this beer and ....

well.. this whole thread has been a real laugh.. finding out ur true occupation even more histerical..

ill try to think of your hard child hood.. with your college education in mind.. and u know.. ill just ignore the other 80% of this coutnry that dosn't get to enjoy those same luxuries.. and how your "one of them"

hey didnt' bill gates grow up as a farm boy ? he must be one of your working class citizens too.. damn.. i wish i could be an impoverished working boy like him .. maybe then i could have more money then god too..


Yet again, another example of the lazy elite.

You cannot even be bothered attempt a coherent statment, yet you feel you should lecture the likes of me. I will laugh when your soon to be poverty stricken father has to make my coffee.

"Soft socialism"? "In America"? What the fuck are you talking about? Socialism doesn't exist in America, soft or fucking chewy. More people are kept in their place in America than anywhere else, under the pretence of a joke called "meritocracy". Which means basically that if you're poor, you'll get a shit education and no job prospects. But everyone feels better because no one is given special privileges. What a crock of shit.

ok ok one last post.. cause this is a crock of trash i could never understand.. ive poor friends too.. no special privilges u say? of those friends of mine worked her but off in the crap public school she went to only to go to one of the best Universities in the country while i went to a state school.. all because her faimly was more poor then mine..

the impoverished in this country have limitless opprotunity if they only seize it.. being middle class.. im not poor enough to get government grants but not rich enough to afford paying myself.. As long as u know what you want in this country .. and work hard at it.. you have just as much chance as anyone else.

In fact it is only int his country that you have such great social mobility.. hell gates was a farm boy..a nd look at him now.. Mike Dell was a high school drop out..

So let me get this straight.

Because of where I was born, I have no right to help people who were born in other places?

Is that really what you're saying here?

ok ok one last post.. cause this is a crock of trash i could never understand.. ive poor friends too.. no special privilges u say? of those friends of mine worked her but off in the crap public school she went to only to go to one of the best Universities in the country while i went to a state school.. all because her faimly was more poor then mine..

the impoverished in this country have limitless opprotunity if they only seize it.. being middle class.. im not poor enough to get government grants but not rich enough to afford paying myself.. As long as u know what you want in this country .. and work hard at it.. you have just as much chance as anyone else.

In fact it is only int his country that you have such great social mobility.. hell gates was a farm boy..a nd look at him now.. Mike Dell was a high school drop out..

No. The reason why you were denied a university place is because you are stupid - as is evident from you last post. Notwithstanding, I doubt you have ever known a really poor person in your entire life.

Also, Bill Gates was not a farm boy.

So let me get this straight.

Because of where I was born, I have no right to help people who were born in other places?

Is that really what you're saying here?

You can help people all you want. I never said you couldn't. I just don;t think you have any right to voice your opinions about how other people live, or the chioces they make, if you haven't been that poor.

In other words, you should have no say about how the socialist society should run. You should just sit back, relax, and let the truly underclass run it.

ok ok one last post.. cause this is a crock of trash i could never understand.. ive poor friends too.. no special privilges u say? of those friends of mine worked her but off in the crap public school she went to only to go to one of the best Universities in the country while i went to a state school.. all because her faimly was more poor then mine..

the impoverished in this country have limitless opprotunity if they only seize it.. being middle class.. im not poor enough to get government grants but not rich enough to afford paying myself.. As long as u know what you want in this country .. and work hard at it.. you have just as much chance as anyone else.

In fact it is only int his country that you have such great social mobility.. hell gates was a farm boy..a nd look at him now.. Mike Dell was a high school drop out..
Yes, because nowhere else in the world has any poor person come good. Of course there's exceptions (there is everywhere), but the fact remains that it's harder in America than anywhere in the EU.

"if only they seize it" - don't make me laugh. The fact that your friend had to work fucking hard to get where she is, and good on her for it, while rich kids breezed through private school. The kids at state schools have to work much harder to get worse results, so yes, it is harder for them.

And I'm not talking about farmboys, who have much better opportunities than anyone living in "the 'hood", as you Americans might call it.

You can help people all you want. I never said you couldn't. I just don;t think you have any right to voice your opinions about how other people live, or the chioces they make, if you haven't been that poor.

In other words, you should have no say about how the socialist society should run. You should just sit back, relax, and let the truly underclass run it.

So, because of where I was born, I have no political voice whatsoever?

And you call OTHER people facists?

So, because of where I was born, I have no political voice whatsoever?

And you call OTHER people facists?

Yup. That's right.

Your kids will have a voice. But not you. People like you have had far too much to say for too long. It's just correcting past imbalances; surely you can't be against that, can you?

Yup. That's right.

Your kids will have a voice. But not you. People like you have had far too much to say for too long. It's just correcting past imbalances; surely you can't be against that, can you?

Sure I can. I'm not a fan of facism. Unlike you.

Yes, because nowhere else in the world has any poor person come good. Of course there's exceptions (there is everywhere), but the fact remains that it's harder in America than anywhere in the EU.

"if only they seize it" - don't make me laugh. The fact that your friend had to work fucking hard to get where she is, and good on her for it, while rich kids breezed through private school. The kids at state schools have to work much harder to get worse results, so yes, it is harder for them.

And I'm not talking about farmboys, who have much better opportunities than anyone living in "the 'hood", as you Americans might call it.

Well TW, I take exception at your analysis. With the US system I have gone from the poor son of a miner in the UK to a vastly wealthy lawyer. If you have the drive, it *is* possible. People are lazy, that is all.

Sure I can. I'm not a fan of facism. Unlike you.
I'd prefer to call him misguided. Right idea, wrong execution.

Sure I can. I'm not a fan of facism. Unlike you.

The people have a voice Goed. Those who deserve it. Are you saying that this country has not denied full political rights to certian classes in the past. All my system does is makes up for it.

If you really want a vote, go work down a mine for a year or something, then you may qualify.

See, it is a fair system.

Well TW, I take exception at your analysis. With the US system I have gone from the poor son of a miner in the UK to a vastly wealthy lawyer. If you have the drive, it *is* possible. People are lazy, that is all.
And I've seen many do the same in the UK. But Americans seem to only ever be able to name one or two people they know who have achieved it. So do you think that's it? That Americans are lazier than us Brits?

The people have a voice Goed. Those who deserve it. Are you saying that this country has not denied full political rights to certian classes in the past. All my system does is makes up for it.

If you really want a vote, go work down a mine for a year or something, then you may qualify.

See, it is a fair system.
Actually, that sounds like quite a good idea. Everyone should carry out a certain period of service in primary industries before moving into other professions.

And I've seen many do the same in the UK. But Americans seem to only ever be able to name one or two people they know who have achieved it. So do you think that's it? That Americans are lazier than us Brits?

As I said before, with my bone geordie accent, I got buggery in the UK. So I don't know.

Over here, I had a massive chip on my shoulder that made me work my ass off.

In any event. I am retired now, so it is all funny.

Except for Goed's blatant laziness.

Actually, that sounds like quite a good idea. Everyone should carry out a certain period of service in primary industries before moving into other professions.


Yes. I had to do it. I don't think you really know what life is about unless you have had a totally shit job that something depends on.

Yes. I had to do it. I don't think you really know what life is about unless you have had a totally shit job that something depends on.
Or send everybody out to poor countries to carry out missionary work for a year, after finishing school. That could work, too. And it would stop the workforce getting too large and tackling unemployment back home.

The people have a voice Goed. Those who deserve it.
Lately I've been thinking that anyone with an IQ lower than 130 should be imprisoned, executed or sent off to colonize Mars. Is that wrong?

Lately I've been thinking that anyone with an IQ lower than 130 should be imprisoned, executed or sent off to colonize Mars. Is that wrong?

Yes, very wrong!

much hate for the well off

I don't care if you're knocking my social stereotype, but its capitalism at work and I love it.

Lately I've been thinking that anyone with an IQ lower than 130 should be imprisoned, executed or sent off to colonize Mars. Is that wrong?

Well; bye.

I don't care if you're knocking my social stereotype, but its capitalism at work and I love it.


Ponce.

For the children of the middle class, socialism seems to be a panacea. It’s not. Frankly all you wankers who lord the socialist movement assume that somehow you all will be in charge. Not one of you has spent a second down a mine, fixed a sewer, or even broke a knuckle on a crab boat.

As I see it, you are all a bunch of middle class tits who naturally assume because of your superior education you will never have to do an honest days hard labor. Despite that you are more than prepared to tell the rest of us how we should live.

So those of you who want to challenge the economic system, tell me what jobs you have had. Those whose entire employment life does not involve the dangerous and the hard and the smelly can just STFU. KTHX

Stop whining and feeling so sorry for yourself, your life is worth nothing anyway. We middleclass children couldnt care less about you. For us you dont excist anyway.
Like your hero Stalin said; "Death solves all problems, dead man equal dead problem."

Or send everybody out to poor countries to carry out missionary work for a year, after finishing school. That could work, too. And it would stop the workforce getting too large and tackling unemployment back home.

No, I would prefer the lazy retards cleaning the gutter or something. It would be a sound lesson in socialism.

Yes I'm very lazy. I spend my working time on the internet. I don't have to work at all because my family is rich. I dont understand why people would want to have jobs where you can loose a limp.

Stop whining and feeling so sorry for yourself, your life is worth nothing anyway. We middleclass children couldnt care less about you anyway. For us you dont excist anyway.
Like your hero Stalin said; "Death solves all problems, dead man equal dead problem."

Finally some honesty from the repressed homosexuals of the middle class.