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People, no offense, but America is the name of a continent (yes, that big one in which USA is, on the left side of the map). Therefore, I, an Argentinian, am an American, and also the Mexicans, the Bolivians, the Cubans, the Canadians, etc. So please, get a real name!

No, it should have some other name. I like 'Vespucciland'.

Who came up with "The United States of America" anyway? It's like something a committee came up with... mmmh...

USA has America as part of it's name, so it makes sense to use America as an abbreviation. Still, I can see how it may cause some confusion.

How about :

The United States of the large bit in the middle of the northen part of the continent.

I think I might just stick to using America.

No, it should have some other name. I like 'Vespucciland'.
Indeed. Considering that some nations are named after people, I think the Bolivians should consider themselves lucky. Simon Bolivar, had he been named something really offensive, might have doomed them to a comical name for all history.

We need to protect the name America, otherwise the Canadians will steal it at our first sign of weakness, I dont trust those Canadians.

People, no offense, but America is the name of a continent (yes, that big one in which USA is, on the left side of the map). Therefore, I, an Argentinian, am an American, and also the Mexicans, the Bolivians, the Cubans, the Canadians, etc. So please, get a real name!
North America and South America are the names of continents. America is not.

I'm just proud to me a HUMAN!!!


*listens to cheers*

I'm just proud to me a HUMAN!!!


*listens to cheers*
I hate humans. Did you know that humans were responsible for starting EVERY war? Just think of the countless attrocities perpetrated by humans. Humans are scum.

Ummm...its in America, and its a collection of United States.
While people generaly thing of themselves as 'Americans' they tend to first think of themselves as, say, New Yorkers, or Arizonians.
This isnt true for a few states, especially Oregon. Nobody likes Oregon, its sort of like Canda Jr. without the hockey.

If you really think about it should be called Columbia.

Three words: Nuclear freaking weapons.

Until Argentina can destroy the world five times over, you get to be Argentina. So don't cry for me.

How about :

The United States of the large bit in the middle of the northen part of the continent.

I think I might just stick to using America.

Well ok, but then Canada's the largest country in the Americas. Why can't we be Canadamerica?

Does anyone know offhand where the word 'America' derivated from?

Oh please. There's no continent called america. It's called North America. And South America. And we called it first.

Well ok, but then Canada's the largest country in the Americas. Why can't we be Canadamerica?

Does anyone know offhand where the word 'America' derivated from?

Amerigo Vespucci, infamous explorer.

Well ok, but then Canada's the largest country in the Americas. Why can't we be Canadamerica?

I didn't say it was the largest part, just "the large bit in the middle".

You can be the . The United States of the large bit at the top of the northen part of the continent if you want.

Indeed. Considering that some nations are named after people, I think the Bolivians should consider themselves lucky. Simon Bolivar, had he been named something really offensive, might have doomed them to a comical name for all history.
Bolivar didn't named Bolivia. In fact he didn't ever fighted there. Sucre did, and named the lands he had liberated Bolivia in honour to Bolivar

Bolivar didn't named Bolivia. In fact he didn't ever fighted there. Sucre did, and named the lands he had liberated Bolivia in honour to Bolivar

Lucky Sucre didn't like someone named Fancypants, or some other ridiculous name.

I didn't say it was the largest part, just "the large bit in the middle".

You can be the . The United States of the large bit at the top of the northen part of the continent if you want.

I guess, but I think it should probably be something more like The Big United Provinces and Territories (Including Quebec For Now), Most Of Which Is Basically Uninhabited Anyway

When I become Emperor, I'll rename the US to make everyone happy.
The new name will be Don't F**k With This Place.

Seeing that on the map should make things simpler.

I can see terrorists in a planning meeting now...

Does anyone know offhand where the word 'America' derivated from?
Americo Vespuccio, Italian cartographer who realized that Columbus had actually bumped into a new continent between Europe and Asia. He also created a very good (by the times) map of the known bits of BOTH North America and South America. So the whole thing was called America.

It wasn't until much later that people realized that it was two continental platforms joined by a temporary land bridge. Still, the whole thing is called America, with a North and South parts. Pretty much like India is considered part of Asia, even though it's a different continental platform.

When I become Emperor, I'll rename the US to make everyone happy.
The new name will be Don't F**k With This Place.

Seeing that on the map should make things simpler.

I can see terrorists in a planning meeting now...
While we're at it, let's consider changing the national anthem to "Don't Tread On Me" by Metallica.

I guess, but I think it should probably be something more like The Big United Provinces and Territories (Including Quebec For Now), Most Of Which Is Basically Uninhabited Anyway
And it would have to be in both French and English.

Amerigo Vespucci, infamous explorer.

Hence, 'Vespucciland', instead of 'America'.

When I become Emperor, I'll rename the US to make everyone happy.
The new name will be Don't F**k With This Place.

Sounds good to me. :)

Amerigo Vespucci, infamous explorer.

Americo Vespuccio, Italian cartographer who realized that Columbus had actually bumped into a new continent between Europe and Asia. He also created a very good (by the times) map of the known bits of BOTH North America and South America. So the whole thing was called America.

It wasn't until much later that people realized that it was two continental platforms joined by a temporary land bridge. Still, the whole thing is called America, with a North and South parts. Pretty much like India is considered part of Asia, even though it's a different continental platform.

Ah, right. It's been too long since I last took a history class.

i'm a canadian and i get to see what the mindset of the american people are first hand.. it is my belief that the general american population is nothing short of a group of lemmings.the average american is so wound up on how great it is to be american that they lose sight of the fact that america is the most dangerous thing that has ever hit this small ball we call our home .. if they could only see that the policies they have that they are always right will one day be their downfall .. the average american cannot even find it's own country on a globe but they would love to have total domination of all the wealth and resources that this planet has to offer..for some reason they are still stuck on the old adage that brute force conquers all but they can't even travel without the fear of not being accepted anywhere..why do you think that most american travellers put canadian flags on their backpacks.. a little message for a little idea in canada,,leave the world alone and FIX YOUR OWN PROBLEMS AT HOME.. :headbang: i know they wont listen but i had to say it..i am really getting worried about what they are capable of doing to all of us..

America is the name of the continent, South and North america are just parts of a continent.

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Posts: 5,038 Oh please. There's no continent called america. It's called North America. And South America. And we called it first.

i'm a canadian and i get to see what the mindset of the american people are first hand.. it is my belief that the general american population is nothing short of a group of lemmings.the average american is so wound up on how great it is to be american that they lose sight of the fact that america is the most dangerous thing that has ever hit this small ball we call our home .. if they could only see that the policies they have that they are always right will one day be their downfall .. the average american cannot even find it's own country on a globe but they would love to have total domination of all the wealth and resources that this planet has to offer..for some reason they are still stuck on the old adage that brute force conquers all but they can't even travel without the fear of not being accepted anywhere..why do you think that most american travellers put canadian flags on their backpacks.. a little message for a little idea in canada,,leave the world alone and FIX YOUR OWN PROBLEMS AT HOME.. :headbang: i know they wont listen but i had to say it..i am really getting worried about what they are capable of doing to all of us..

Pretty good at finding any country on the globe. I'm sure that the ghosts of Dresden, Stalingrad, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki would argue your point on brute force. I never make a secret of my American citizenship, and I've travelled enough to fill three passports with stamps in one year. Mostly in Third World countries.

I'd like to hear how we can fix our problem with OBL "at home". He doesn't live in the US.

i'm a canadian and i get to see what the mindset of the american people are first hand.. it is my belief that the general american population is nothing short of a group of lemmings.the average american is so wound up on how great it is to be american that they lose sight of the fact that america is the most dangerous thing that has ever hit this small ball we call our home .. if they could only see that the policies they have that they are always right will one day be their downfall .. the average american cannot even find it's own country on a globe but they would love to have total domination of all the wealth and resources that this planet has to offer..for some reason they are still stuck on the old adage that brute force conquers all but they can't even travel without the fear of not being accepted anywhere..why do you think that most american travellers put canadian flags on their backpacks.. a little message for a little idea in canada,,leave the world alone and FIX YOUR OWN PROBLEMS AT HOME.. :headbang: i know they wont listen but i had to say it..i am really getting worried about what they are capable of doing to all of us..

Do you mean you actually go to America on a regular basis? I'm a Canuck too and I have a very different view of Americans.

As much as Canadians like to portray the Ignorant American stereotype, it's basically not true, as you can see from most of the Americans here.

In reality, our countries aren't all that different. We're a bit more liberal up here and collectively poorer but it's not like there's a huge difference.

i'm a canadian and i get to see what the mindset of the american people are first hand.. it is my belief that the general american population is nothing short of a group of lemmings.the average american is so wound up on how great it is to be american that they lose sight of the fact that america is the most dangerous thing that has ever hit this small ball we call our home .. if they could only see that the policies they have that they are always right will one day be their downfall .. the average american cannot even find it's own country on a globe but they would love to have total domination of all the wealth and resources that this planet has to offer..for some reason they are still stuck on the old adage that brute force conquers all but they can't even travel without the fear of not being accepted anywhere..why do you think that most american travellers put canadian flags on their backpacks.. a little message for a little idea in canada,,leave the world alone and FIX YOUR OWN PROBLEMS AT HOME.. :headbang: i know they wont listen but i had to say it..i am really getting worried about what they are capable of doing to all of us..
America is the most dangerous thing the world has ever known? Perhaps, we are the most militarily powerfull nation. Still, that doesn't make us particularly dangerous. We are not randomly nuking nations. We do a pretty good job of not starting wars (I know we fucked up in Iraq). As for total domination of wealth, that's just your ignorance talking. We are wealthy not because we are somehow stealing from the rest of the world, but because we have invented, and produced many of the products the world consumes. Even now we are at the forefront of pharmaceutical and biotech production. As for Americans not being able to find their own country on a globe, that's just bigoted and arrogant. We don't have the best educational system among developed countries, but we are not idiots. Grow up and stop whining about the USA pal.

I hate humans. Did you know that humans were responsible for starting EVERY war? (.....)
Funny, I always thougth that the ones who started almost every war since 1945 were the americans

Funny, I always thougth that the ones who started almost every war since 1945 were the americans
No, there have been many wars since 1945 not started by the US. The war in Angola, for example. But the US is populated by humans, so is Angola. Fucking humans are fucking this planet up.

America is the most dangerous thing the world has ever known? Perhaps, we are the most militarily powerfull nation. Still, that doesn't make us particularly dangerous. We are not randomly nuking nations. We do a pretty good job of not starting wars (I know we fucked up in Iraq). As for total domination of wealth, that's just your ignorance talking. We are wealthy not because we are somehow stealing from the rest of the world, but because we have invented, and produced many of the products the world consumes. Even now we are at the forefront of pharmaceutical and biotech production. As for Americans not being able to find their own country on a globe, that's just bigoted and arrogant. We don't have the best educational system among developed countries, but we are not idiots. Grow up and stop whining about the USA pal.


Very well said. I agree.

Very well said. I agree.
Thanks, I try. Sometimes.

No, there have been many wars since 1945 not started by the US. The war in Angola, for example. But the US is populated by humans, so is Angola. Fucking humans are fucking this planet up.
But send troops! By the way, I'm not very sure about the humanity of Bush

Funny, I always thougth that the ones who started almost every war since 1945 were the americans

Yeah, like the Korean... oh, wait. My bad. North Korea started that war.

No, there have been many wars since 1945 not started by the US. The war in Angola, for example. But the US is populated by humans, so is Angola. Fucking humans are fucking this planet up.
Yeah! But have you noticed how all this problems always take place on Earth? I mean, have you ever heard of something like this going on in Mars or the Moon? I say, screw Earth! There must be something wrong with the water or something.

Yeah, like the Korean... oh, wait. My bad. North Korea started that war.
and the US followed it

I hate humans. Did you know that humans were responsible for starting EVERY war? Just think of the countless attrocities perpetrated by humans. Humans are scum.

Ah, but you're a human, and you're not scum. ;)

Ah, but you're a human, and you're not scum. ;)
You don't know me very well do you?

Funny, I always thougth that the ones who started almost every war since 1945 were the americans

The U.S. didn't start:

The Korean War, the Franco-Vietminh War, the Vietnam War, the Rhodesian bush war, the civil war in the Congo, the civil war in Angola, the Algerian civil war, the Mozambique civil war, the Pakistani-Indian conflict, the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, the Nicaraguan civil war, Kosovo, Somalia...

Need I continue?

You don't know me very well do you?

No, but I know you well enough to know that you're a nice guy. :)

and the US followed it

To defend our allies from an unwarranted act of aggression, yes.

and the US followed it

Heh yeah, who needs South Korea anyway, eh? :p

you people need to stop acting like the French and get over the fact the we are a young nation (by your standards) and saved Europe's ass TWICE. But, NOOOOO, you have to be arrogant little f***ers and insist that everthing you do is a sign from God and every little thing you find wrong IN YOUR OPINION with this country is given to this world by Satan himself. every country makes mistakes since they are run by people.

you want to know something to bitch to Europe about: their population is beginning to decline because they would rather not have children and to buy 2 BMWs. the United States of America's population however is at a steady climb upward. so now you tell me who's better off. the country that cares about its future or the entire continent who thinks that being as selfish and arrogant as possible is the most intelligent decision?

The U.S. didn't start:

The Korean War, the Franco-Vietminh War, the Vietnam War, the Rhodesian bush war, the civil war in the Congo, the civil war in Angola, the Algerian civil war, the Mozambique civil war, the Pakistani-Indian conflict, the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, the Nicaraguan civil war, Kosovo, Somalia...

Need I continue?
Excepting the Pakistani-Indian conflict, the US send troops or gave money to one of the parts on each of that wars (Yes, you gave money to Ossama and the talibans)

Excepting the Pakistani-Indian conflict, the US send troops or gave money to one of the parts on each of that wars (Yes, you gave money to Ossama and the talibans)

Correct, but we didn't start any of those wars.

Correct, but we didn't start any of those wars.
Were you involved or not?

Were you involved or not?

Yes, we were, but we didn't start any of them.

you people need to stop acting like the French and get over the fact the we are a young nation (by your standards) and saved Europe's ass TWICE. But, NOOOOO, you have to be arrogant little f***ers and insist that everthing you do is a sign from God and every little thing you find wrong IN YOUR OPINION with this country is given to this world by Satan himself. every country makes mistakes since they are run by people.

you want to know something to bitch to Europe about: their population is beginning to decline because they would rather not have children and to buy 2 BMWs. the United States of America's population however is at a steady climb upward. so now you tell me who's better off. the country that cares about its future or the entire continent who thinks that being as selfish and arrogant as possible is the most intelligent decision?

Well, I don't think I'm one of the people you're directing this at but...

Had Germany not been stopped, the USA would have been taken eventually. By taking Europe they would have gotten too much power and probably conquered the world (until revolution set in). America was acting in its own best interests, as it always does. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

I see the same kind of criticisms you're condemming made by Americans about other nations ('you need to stop acting like the French').

You're blaming population shifts on arrogance? Well, ok. I guess that's one opinion.

Were you involved or not?

In the Rhodesian bush war, no. Hell, we even imposed sanctions on Ian Smith's government. So much for the US being 'anticommunist.'

Were you involved or not?

it's called politics. every country has it. politicans do what they think is in the best interest of their country.

do you know what Israel has done in wars where they didn't fight at all? Germany? Russia? India?

Excepting the Pakistani-Indian conflict, the US send troops or gave money to one of the parts on each of that wars (Yes, you gave money to Ossama and the talibans)

So you're faulting them for trying to resolve the conflict in favor of who they see as right?

Well, I don't think I'm one of the people you're directing this at but...

Had Germany not been stopped, the USA would have been taken eventually. By taking Europe they would have gotten too much power and probably conquered the world (until revolution set in). America was acting in its own best interests, as it always does. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

I see the same kind of criticisms you're condemming made by Americans about other nations ('you need to stop acting like the French').

You're blaming population shifts on arrogance? Well, ok. I guess that's one opinion.

i agree with you on America's policies. i have been to France and almost everyone (by almost i mean one or two people are the exception) called me a "dirty American", "ignorant imbecile", etc. and i was very tolerant until one of them tried to assualt me(tried doesnt mean accomplished ;) ). many of the phrases they used and i remembered one of my friend (a French professor) wouldn't translate for me

you people need to stop acting like the French and get over the fact the we are a young nation (by your standards) and saved Europe's ass TWICE. But, NOOOOO, you have to be arrogant little f***ers and insist that everthing you do is a sign from God and every little thing you find wrong IN YOUR OPINION with this country is given to this world by Satan himself. every country makes mistakes since they are run by people.

you want to know something to bitch to Europe about: their population is beginning to decline because they would rather not have children and to buy 2 BMWs. the United States of America's population however is at a steady climb upward. so now you tell me who's better off. the country that cares about its future or the entire continent who thinks that being as selfish and arrogant as possible is the most intelligent decision?

So you think population growth is a good thing, need I remind you that earth has finite rescources, europe is ensuring that their poulation doesn't outgrow their food supply, I think america is the country that doesn't care about it's future *pollution*

No, but I know you well enough to know that you're a nice guy. :)
Can I borrow $50 then?

Were you involved or not?
The question wasn't whether we were involved, but whether we started them.

i agree with you on America's policies. i have been to France and almost everyone (by almost i mean one or two people are the exception) called me a "dirty American", "ignorant imbecile", etc. and i was very tolerant until one of them tried to assualt me(tried doesnt mean achomplished ;) ). many of the phrases they used and i remembered one of my friend (a French professor) wouldn't translate for me

Heh, well maybe the French really are an angry people then. Can't say I've even been (or ever really want to go).

So you think population growth is a good thing, need I remind you that earth has finite rescources, europe is ensuring that their poulation doesn't outgrow their food supply, I think america is the country that doesn't care about it's future *pollution*

are you saying that we need to kill everyone now to preserve natural resources or just save the population that you deem fit to live? (i.e. yours)

Heh, well maybe the French really are an angry people then. Can't say I've even been (or ever really want to go).
When I was 13 or 14 I went to visit family in France. Upon finding out that I was an American, the kid accross the street came over with two of his friends and a sickle and tried to provoke a fight with me by saying "go fuck your mother". Another kid that I was talking to at the time was holding my new switchblade and refused to give it back, so I didn't fight. If that kid had given me my switchblade back, there would either have been three less scumbags in France, or I wouldn't be here to post. Anyway, the fact that he went out of his way to fuck with me and that he brought a weapon and two friends along, and the kid I thought was my friend refused to give me back my knife so I could defend myself has pretty much soured me on the french. Fuck em.

i agree with you on America's policies. i have been to France and almost everyone (by almost i mean one or two people are the exception) called me a "dirty American", "ignorant imbecile", etc. and i was very tolerant until one of them tried to assualt me(tried doesnt mean accomplished ;) ). many of the phrases they used and i remembered one of my friend (a French professor) wouldn't translate for me

What a bunch of racist bigots. :rolleyes:

Ummm...its in America, and its a collection of United States.
While people generaly thing of themselves as 'Americans' they tend to first think of themselves as, say, New Yorkers, or Arizonians.
This isnt true for a few states, especially Oregon. Nobody likes Oregon, its sort of like Canda Jr. without the hockey.

oh crap....i'm moving to Oregon in June 2005 :eek:

as someone from washington, the state not the district, i can understand our cintinental neighbors disdain for us appropriating the name "america."

news casters, and stories are always talking about some big shakedown in washington, and it's rarely abotu my home.

similar to other people's arguements in the "we called it first" vein, washington d.c. also existed before washignton the state and had been called washington for a long time. i can still feel that some semantic changes need to be put into place, as can our argentinian friend.

it a stupid topic. because when it comes right down to it, i don't know whether or not it's really the USA's fault that the world knows us as america. i may say america from time to time, i usually say usa, but i know that if you took a globabl poll with the question "what's america?" a HUGE chunk of the respondant will name us. not mexico.

People, no offense, but America is the name of a continent (yes, that big one in which USA is, on the left side of the map). Therefore, I, an Argentinian, am an American, and also the Mexicans, the Bolivians, the Cubans, the Canadians, etc. So please, get a real name!
I am a Canadian, and I am a North American. I am most certainly not an American --that would, where I live, mean an inhabitant of the United States.

What a bunch of racist bigots. :rolleyes:

*GASP* you can't call the French racist! Only they can do that to us! You see, it's horrible and stupid for us to simply call French fries "freedom" fries*, but it's ok for those guys to show unbinding disdain for Americans.

*it really is pretty stupid.

*GASP* you can't call the French racist! Only they can do that to us! You see, it's horrible and stupid for us to simply call French fries "freedom" fries*, but it's ok for those guys to show unbinding disdain for Americans.

*it really is pretty stupid.

Just so you know, I don't call them freedom fries.

Just so you know, I don't call them freedom fries.
What do you call them Pomme Frites? Please pardon my poor spelling.

Just so you know, I don't call them freedom fries.

Neither do I, I was being sarcastic before about the French.

I am a Canadian, and I am a North American. I am most certainly not an American --that would, where I live, mean an inhabitant of the United States.
Yeah, most Canadians are dumb that way. Most think that North America is only Canada and the USA. Heck! They even think that Greenland is part of Europe!

"Does the USA really deserves to be called America?"

Yes. Next question!

Three words: Nuclear freaking weapons.

Until Argentina can destroy the world five times over, you get to be Argentina. So don't cry for me.

We're a long way from being able to destroy the world with nuclear weapons.

Yes, we could do one hell of a job scorching the surface but there's no way we could destroy the world.

I'm from Virginia first and foremost. I don't want to be lumped in with people from California, Florida, or *shutter* Maryland.

Honestly, I associate myself with The United States, not with America, but I like being specific. :) I also associate myself with my country before my state, but that is because I live in Southern Indiana, there isn't anything down here to be associated with besides corn. ;)

Oh come on guys, this forum started to point out why the US is not very well named, this is NOT another American bashing site, can't we give them a break?

As a Canadian, I obviously don't like a lot of what the US does, but bloody hell, lets not take it out on the fine folk of nationstates OVER AND OVER AND BLOODY OVER AGAIN THIS DOESN"T SOLVE ANYTHING.

And it's just not kind.

I can't believe threads like this still go on, such stupidity... Now, about the french... (Yes, my rant on the French) I have been to france, and find it a discusting place to be. Whilst sightseeing, I was screamed at, punched, shoved, and actually had someone throw coffee, or tea or something at me. Not to mention that the police are assholes.
We have helped em out many holes, and we get screwed over in responce. Need proof? WWII should be big enough. And then I will mention the fact that the French Revolution occured only because they saw how the Americans became free.

Now, I think we can stop all the anti American shit. I'm sick and tired of the stereotypes, I can find my own country, heck I can find half the major cities in europe too. (London Roxors, I love your weather.) I believe europe's still stuck with the image of americans being 'simpletons', with the IQ of a slice of pizza.

And then there's the fact that much of the stuff the world finds so useful, was made, or invented in America. The Computer, Jeans, Powered Flight, Space Shuttle, Internet, Unreal Tournament 2004 and Halo!!!

UT2K4 and Halo, need I say more?

We can be called Americans, but not America.

When I was 13 or 14 I went to visit family in France. Upon finding out that I was an American, the kid accross the street came over with two of his friends and a sickle and tried to provoke a fight with me by saying "go fuck your mother". Another kid that I was talking to at the time was holding my new switchblade and refused to give it back, so I didn't fight. If that kid had given me my switchblade back, there would either have been three less scumbags in France, or I wouldn't be here to post. Anyway, the fact that he went out of his way to fuck with me and that he brought a weapon and two friends along, and the kid I thought was my friend refused to give me back my knife so I could defend myself has pretty much soured me on the french. Fuck em.

The French can be morons, we know. But the French are not a representative sample of Europeans. For example, go to Fennoscandia, and your chances of your job application being accepted are greater than for natives. The French are a people suffering from postimperial syndrome, meaning that they're arrogant bastards. (Exceptions exist.)