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Really, does he really need to carry himself off as a psuedo-imam (or potential Caliph) in order to get his message out? Does he have to quote the Koran? Does he have to get permission from selected imams in order to use WMD? Do his followers really care?

His religion is the sole justification for his actions. He honestly beleives that the only correct government is that of a rightly guided caliph who rules by sharia. All other governments are abominations.

No, he is not too religious, he too extremistic about his religion. Also, according to what I know about the Koran, Mohammed himself would have condemned all forms of terrorism.

I guess what I'm getting at is if the US sucks so much, and is so offensive, and is so imperialistic, and is shoving its foreign policy and culture down everyone's throat, why is that not enough for OBL and his followers? Why does he have to wrap it in religion, leaving the "sucks" part like some sort of fluffly :fluffle: cream center in the middle of a religious Twinkie?

Yes, he is, just as George Bush is. I will state the same thing in your mirror thread on George Bush.

My mistake. The other thread was from Kwangistar.

I guess what I'm getting at is if the US sucks so much, and is so offensive, and is so imperialistic, and is shoving its foreign policy and culture down everyone's throat, why is that not enough for OBL and his followers? Why does he have to wrap it in religion, leaving the "sucks" part like some sort of fluffly :fluffle: cream center in the middle of a religious Twinkie?
Because the culture he is trying to protect is defined by that religion, and it is the religion that he himself cares about. You don't get people to kill themselves as easily without religous martyrdom as the carrot. Thing is, the rest is true, too. Just as the bad that we do doesn't justify the bad that Osama does, the bad that Osama does does not justify the bad that we do. We need to stop as a society trying to match the low water mark and start trying to set the high one.

Hardly. I think if he were more religious, he'd be less dangerous.

Hardly. I think if he were more religious, he'd be less dangerous.
No, he's very religious. It's his interpretation of Islam that makes him dangerous. If he was less strict in his religious beleifs he would be no more dangerous than any of those Saudi princes.

It's hard to say, society is different in his area of the world. He obviously sees the world in a way different from us. Perhaps to his people it is right to rule using one's religion as a sole basis of action.

Certainly the way he manifests his religion upon people of our culture is wrong, as he is violating some people's human rights. I just find it hard to fault someone for their religious beliefs, or to quantify exactly how religious someone is.

Really, does he really need to carry himself off as a psuedo-imam (or potential Caliph) in order to get his message out? Does he have to quote the Koran? Does he have to get permission from selected imams in order to use WMD? Do his followers really care?

OBL is definitely not too religious. He needs to spend more time in prayer and less time figuring out how to blow things up.

Well now...

The religiousness of OBL is a matter between him and his Maker.
Our only task is to arrange the meeting. :fluffle:

OBL is definitely not too religious. He needs to spend more time in prayer and less time figuring out how to blow things up.
I think a guy who's ultimate goal is a worldwide theocracy qualifies as a little too religious. I have no doubt that he prays a whole lot.

I think a guy who's ultimate goal is a worldwide theocracy qualifies as a little too religious. I have no doubt that he prays a whole lot.

Not enough for my taste.

It's not so much how religious OBL is that is the problem, so much as his strange interpretation of his religion, which he uses to justify murder!

No. He is Islamic fascist. The only reason he's using Islam is to draw off the tension between the west and east.

No. He is Islamic fascist. The only reason he's using Islam is to draw off the tension between the west and east.
I disagree. I honestly beleive he wants a sharia based world wide caliphate. His main inspiration comes from Ibyn Tamya, a muslim scholar that advocated Islam as the only way to govern because it is an invention of god, therefore perfect.