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I have never met a women who is as strong as me for one.

Second, how is this not trolling? GIMMIE a break...

http://www.nutritionoutlet.nu/gym/bilder/2003-05_jill.jpg

She would break you like a little bitch.

Is that so?

Actually, that statement is entirely grammatically incorrect. It's "You're an idiot," not "your a idiot." Thank you, though, for being so kind as to evaluate my intelligence for me. Everyone needs a good reality check now and then.

On a side note, I'm seeing a lot of negative comments from men on this thread as I read more of it. Angry, aggressive negative comments, actually. They almost sound... frightened?

Not to be a jerk. There's nothing to fear, of course, since this evolutionary process would take place in a time span far, far greater than our lifetimes. Everyone calm down a bit, there's no need to panic. Let's all just relax and hold hands, shall we? Now let me get my acoustic guitar... :p


Intelligence is surely pointing out spelling ~ grammer mistakes in a thread. :rolleyes:

http://www.nutritionoutlet.nu/gym/bilder/2003-05_jill.jpg

She would break you like a little bitch.


I doubt it, I have bigger arms... PLUS i dont take roids, notice the very large forehead + square MAN jaw lol

Wow...this thread is going downhill fast...

I'm sorry Phaerime.

Men, I have news for you: you are not the strongest, most capable, most intelligent creatures on earth.

This is true. Although most men ARE physically stronger then women, women have a higher pain tolerance then men (child bearing).

I have never met a women who is as strong as me for one.


But surely you have met women who are smarter then you? Physical ability doesn't mean everything.

Sadly, we're still debating about the wrong issue here *sigh*

I doubt it, I have bigger arms... PLUS i dont take roids, notice the very large forehead + square MAN jaw lol

You're full of shit.

http://www.nutritionoutlet.nu/gym/bilder/2003-05_jill.jpg

She would break you like a little bitch.

While I agree with you after looking at the picture ... please refrane from that type of shall we say " colorful metaphores "

I doubt it, I have bigger arms... PLUS i dont take roids, notice the very large forehead + square MAN jaw lol

Actually, plenty of women have large foreheads, as well as square jaws. My jaw is actually quite square. Matter of fact, my entire head is pretty squarish. This does not necessarily mean steroids are involved. Also, it is entirely possible for a woman to grow very large muscles without steroids. You really shouldn't assume that all women are weaker than you, it's a bit ignorant and narrow-minded, and I'm sure you don't want to protray that image.

You're full of shit.

NOPE, I do indeed work out 4 times a week. I was "the" skinny guy in highschool and have worked out since i was 17, where I weighed 140 at 6 feet 1 now I am 200ish pounds.

That looks like she is doing 50 pounds incline flys to which I can do 75 :)

Now if she is doing arms, then umm i would be worried as I can only do 45s...lol

Actually, plenty of women have large foreheads, as well as square jaws. My jaw is actually quite square. Matter of fact, my entire head is pretty squarish. This does not necessarily mean steroids are involved. Also, it is entirely possible for a woman to grow very large muscles without steroids. You really shouldn't assume that all women are weaker than you, it's a bit ignorant and narrow-minded, and I'm sure you don't want to protray that image.

Well, he is right. She is most assuredly on steroids. But that doesn't change the fact that she is in all likelihood quite a bit stronger than him.

Well RL duties call ... I must go pick up my roomate at work ... but I will
return shortly ... please try to show each other respect while I'm gone ...
ok?

Wow...this thread is going downhill fast...

I'm sorry Phaerime.



This is true. Although most men ARE physically stronger then women, women have a higher pain tolerance then men (child bearing).



But surely you have met women who are smarter then you? Physical ability doesn't mean everything.

Sadly, we're still debating about the wrong issue here *sigh*

I see your point, and agree that immature arguing over whether Jayastan is stronger than the average girl or not is far from the point of this thread. However, I do think that pointing out that women are absolutely as capable as men are is relevant. It seems many of the men posting on this thread are asserting that men are necessary because women are weak and require protection. I'm doing my best to refute this in an intelligent way, and I hope nobody will hold it against me. :p

Actually, plenty of women have large foreheads, as well as square jaws. My jaw is actually quite square. Matter of fact, my entire head is pretty squarish. This does not necessarily mean steroids are involved. Also, it is entirely possible for a woman to grow very large muscles without steroids. You really shouldn't assume that all women are weaker than you, it's a bit ignorant and narrow-minded, and I'm sure you don't want to protray that image.

sorry 99.9%.

I dont doubt that many women could beat me in a race as I dont do any cardio at all. But I can do ALOT of weight, and while bragging on the internet is really lame i can only say its true. The body building women I see at gyms I can assure you take roids...

You can see a HUGE difference between a women who jsut works out with weights and a roid lifting female bodybuilder. Just look to competions, you think 99% of those women dont use roids? :rolleyes:

I see your point, and agree that immature arguing over whether Jayastan is stronger than the average girl or not is far from the point of this thread. However, I do think that pointing out that women are absolutely as capable as men are is relevant. It seems many of the men posting on this thread are asserting that men are necessary because women are weak and require protection. I'm doing my best to refute this in an intelligent way, and I hope nobody will hold it against me. :p

Not average girl but maybe 98 ~ 99% of ALL women! :fluffle:

· Adam's Curse by Bryan Sykes is published by Bantam Press at £18.99.



Furthermore, Mr. Sykes has written other books on this subject, including:

The Seven Daughters of Eve
The Human Inheritance: Genes, Language, and Evolution

You can find all three books on Amazon.com

I see your point, and agree that immature arguing over whether Jayastan is stronger than the average girl or not is far from the point of this thread. However, I do think that pointing out that women are absolutely as capable as men are is relevant. It seems many of the men posting on this thread are asserting that men are necessary because women are weak and require protection. I'm doing my best to refute this in an intelligent way, and I hope nobody will hold it against me. :p

So many dirty jokes if you weren't a lesbian....

[SIZE=6]men are just there to live off of the woman so I say unless its for sex...the man is useless! :fluffle:

Not average girl but maybe 98 ~ 99% of ALL women! :fluffle:

Jayastan, we get the point: you have great big muscles. Can we get back to the subject at hand now?

Here's a new thought: many women would say that they do need men. However, if men were to disappear for some reason, wouldn't they adapt? I suggest that women only feel that they need men because they are told from birth that this is the case. I, for one, don't need men, and I'm not the only one. If society were to shift its standpoint on gender to reinforce the idea that both men and women are equally capable, and if women were truly encouraged to act in the same way as men, I believe we would see an incredible change. However, this will never happen, so we can only theorize.

Jayastan, I reiterate, your intolerance and boistrous commentation is simply sickening. I am sad to think that you deem it nessecary to post the fact that you are from Alberta, running the risk that other Canadians who live in that province be labeled a bigot such as you. Remember, even though it shouldnt be, and most often isnt, within the confines of these forums we all serve without intention as representatives of our countries and their respective regions. I surely hope that the sort of slander and uneducated opinion you are throwing around does not reflect poorly on other people from Alberta.

I am disgraced by your words and opinions herein, and I would kindly like to ask that you consider the rammifications of your actions before you continue to make an ass of yourself.

(Not that I havent made an ass of myself on several occasions, but not so blatantly)

Im sorry again Phaerime, this person really gets under my skin - and of course thats exactly what hes looking to do - at least hes good at something I suppose. I have made note of the material listed, and will try to find some time to give it a read when I return either tomorrow or on monday. This is actually an interesting topic, and I thank you for the time youve put into it, I would like to get into discussion given the provision that this thread is still in existience when I return. Good luck with the policing, and should I not see you again before Christmas, have a very merry one.

:)

Not average girl but maybe 98 ~ 99% of ALL women! :fluffle:

Are you saying that 98-99% of all women need a man to protect them?

Just got back from picking up my SO's drycleaning.

As I expected, Jayastan has decided to latch onto this thread like a pitbull, and won't let go until he's satisfied he's ruined any semblance of dialogue.

Why? Because he's a rampaging egotist. It's all about you, isn't it, Jay? It tickled you pink to stir up a number of people into slagging you...because you don't seem to care whether you get good attention, or bad attention - all you know is that you like being the centre of it.

Why don't you go back to the gym and needlessly pump yourself up more? Those muscles are sure to come in handy some day - though I can't honestly say when, where or why.

DT.

Are you saying that 98-99% of all women need a man to protect them?


NO no, just that i could kick some penile impaired ASS.

Jayastan, could you please explain why you feel strength is the most important variable in human selection? Or why you believe it is the important factor in determining the quality of someone's life?

I would argue that as long as a person was of 'average' strength and capable of performing everyday tasks, then that person doesn't need to be any stronger. In today's world, through the wonders of modern technology, physical human strength is easy replace by mechanical strength.

I would argue that the capacity to learn is far more important than being able to bench press some impressive weight.

Edited for clarity

Jayastan, I reiterate, your intolerance and boistrous commentation is simply sickening. I am sad to think that you deem it nessecary to post the fact that you are from Alberta, running the risk that other Canadians who live in that province be labeled a bigot such as you. Remember, even though it shouldnt be, and most often isnt, within the confines of these forums we all serve without intention as representatives of our countries and their respective regions. I surely hope that the sort of slander and uneducated opinion you are throwing around does not reflect poorly on other people from Alberta.

I am disgraced by your words and opinions herein, and I would kindly like to ask that you consider the rammifications of your actions before you continue to make an ass of yourself.

(Not that I havent made an ass of myself on several occasions, but not so blatantly)

Im sorry again Phaerime, this person really gets under my skin - and of course thats exactly what hes looking to do - at least hes good at something I suppose. I have made note of the material listed, and will try to find some time to give it a read when I return either tomorrow or on monday. This is actually an interesting topic, and I thank you for the time youve put into it, I would like to get into discussion given the provision that this thread is still in existience when I return. Good luck with the policing, and should I not see you again before Christmas, have a very merry one.

:)

Thank you for joining me in intelligent discussion. I was getting lonely. ;)

Might I suggest that you find a copy of Herland. I had to read it for a class on Utopian and Apocalyptic literature last semester, and it was one of my favorites. I already mentioned it once, but I want everyone to read it. :)

NO no, just that i could kick some penile impaired ASS.

Ah, because I'm sure thats what any respectable man would do. My apologies..... :rolleyes:

NO no, just that i could kick some penile impaired ASS.

Please leave. Now.

Are we really still discussing this? :confused: Wouldn't a homegenious society be rather boring for oh say ruffly 85% of the population?

Thank you for joining me in intelligent discussion. I was getting lonely. ;)

Might I suggest that you find a copy of Herland. I had to read it for a class on Utopian and Apocalyptic literature last semester, and it was one of my favorites. I already mentioned it once, but I want everyone to read it. :)

Noted, and while we're discussing things that I can learn... can you.. err.. give me any pointers??

NO no, just that i could kick some penile impaired ASS.

You should be so proud of the fact that you can beat up girls. Want a cookie?

I'm not in the least amount worried about us males dying out. This is going to be in tens of thousands of years anyway, if ever.

Repost: (the posts come fast & furious on this thread, wanted this to be heard, my apologies)

Just got back from picking up my SO's drycleaning.

As I expected, Jayastan has decided to latch onto this thread like a pitbull, and won't let go until he's satisfied he's ruined any semblance of dialogue.

Why? Because he's a rampaging egotist. It's all about you, isn't it, Jay? It tickled you pink to stir up a number of people into slagging you...because you don't seem to care whether you get good attention, or bad attention - all you know is that you like being the centre of it.

Why don't you go back to the gym and needlessly pump yourself up more? Those muscles are sure to come in handy some day - though I can't honestly say when, where or why.

DT.

Are we really still discussing this? :confused: Wouldn't a homegenious society be rather boring for oh say ruffly 85% of the population?

I think we're trying to get the thread somewhat back on track....in which case that would mean"

No more "Do we need men?" and more "What about this whole Y chromosome dying off?!?!?!"

Noted, and while we're discussing things that I can learn... can you.. err.. give me any pointers??

Pointers?

If this is a serious question, it is clearly off topic, but I'm always willing to educate. Send me a PM or a telegram to my nation and we'll chat.

Just got back from picking up my SO's drycleaning.

As I expected, Jayastan has decided to latch onto this thread like a pitbull, and won't let go until he's satisfied he's ruined any semblance of dialogue.

Why? Because he's a rampaging egotist. It's all about you, isn't it, Jay? It tickled you pink to stir up a number of people into slagging you...because you don't seem to care whether you get good attention, or bad attention - all you know is that you like being the centre of it.

Why don't you go back to the gym and needlessly pump yourself up more? Those muscles are sure to come in handy some day - though I can't honestly say when, where or why.

DT.

lack of heart attack + joint ~ muscle problems while in my 60's come to mind. looking decent, feeling decent, are crappy things to go for. :rolleyes:

All i did in this thread buddy was point out how silly the original post was. How the lack of any real proof was silly and then I responded to flames.

I got responsed like " HEY why dont you give proof!!" Im not the one making this silly claim asshole.
"what you punch out women?" Ummm no that was a joke... :rolleyes:
"what you think are stronger than most women?" I KNOW I am stronger than 98% of women.
"You think women are stupid and cant take care of themselves? " ummm no, never did i say that.


The point of me going off is because if you think you can do without men your mistaken. And the main point is look at the thread and check out the proof before going out on a tangent and for your male bashing for lack of a dick or real dick for some of the male dorks here....

Can I tell everybody a secret? WEll, After Jayastan and I make Hot Man-Love, He cuddles up to meand cries huge racking sobs because his mommy doesn't talk to him anymore. Usually takes me at least 1/2 hour to calm him down...then he sleeps like a baby.

I think we're trying to get the thread somewhat back on track....in which case that would mean"

No more "Do we need men?" and more "What about this whole Y chromosome dying off?!?!?!"
Actually I'm not personally too worried about the Y chromosome dying off (and no, that's not just because I'm a lesbian :p). First of all, it would take thousands of years. We have plenty of time to find a solution, and we have already made huge advances in this area. Secondly, evolution will happen. We humans do our best to suppress it by seperating and degrading anyone who is different from the norm. However, if this degradation is really unstoppable, we will adapt. Humans are gifted intellectually, and for once, we may be able to use this to create and protect life, rather than destroy it.

lack of heart attack + joint ~ muscle problems while in my 60's come to mind. looking decent, feeling decent, are crappy things to go for. :rolleyes:

All i did in this thread buddy was point out how silly the original post was. How the lack of any real proof was silly and then I responded to flames.

I got responsed like " HEY why dont you give proof!!" Im not the one making this silly claim asshole.
"what you punch out women?" Ummm no that was a joke... :rolleyes:
"what you think are stronger than most women?" I KNOW I am stronger than 98% of women.
"You think women are stupid and cant take care of themselves? " ummm no, never did i say that.


The point of me going off is because if you think you can do without men your mistaken. And the main point is look at the thread and check out the proof before going out on a tangent and for your male bashing for lack of a dick or real dick for some of the male dorks here....
Ah, yet again we are all made fools of by Jay's genius. Allow me to hang my head in shame as I get on with the real topic at hand...

*psst! hey, everyone, maybe if we ignore it, it will go away! :p*

Actually I'm not personally too worried about the Y chromosome dying off (and no, that's not just because I'm a lesbian :p). First of all, it would take thousands of years. We have plenty of time to find a solution, and we have already made huge advances in this area. Secondly, evolution will happen. We humans do our best to suppress it by seperating and degrading anyone who is different from the norm. However, if this degradation is really unstoppable, we will adapt. Humans are gifted intellectually, and for once, we may be able to use this to create and protect life, rather than destroy it.


Correct, fear mongering to further the reseacher's career. That pisses me off and it should piss off more of you....

I agree with golos. What was not possible only a few decades ago is a reality with genetic science. In the future, we could solve any Y-chromosome problems with ease.

Besides, it's not a great chromosome anyway. Hell, I bet that one day they could make a better one.

Origionally Posted by Golos:
Secondly, evolution will happen. We humans do our best to suppress it by seperating and degrading anyone who is different from the norm.

Actually Golos, not to dispute your point, because while I think that in many instances that is true, I think the actual thing that is suppressing evolution to a certain degree is medicine. Many people that would not have lived long enough to have children in previous generations now have that opportunity. For instance, many people with Sickle Cell anemia, Cystic Fibrosis and Taysaks disease are now able to reach adulthood wheras before most didn't make it even into their teen years. It will be interesting to see what further advances in gene threapy do to this! Possibly reversing that trend by catching such maladys and correcting them so people who normally would have them, don't, or at least they don't manifest!

Ooooh, a 'smart people only' thread? Good luck on that one. I presume you'll be there, as well...?

*smacks head* I should remember to think before speaking. I guss my excuse is that I'm sick, I didn't really mean it that way. I apologise for making such a complete dick of myself, and no, I don't think I'm quite qualified for the smart person thread... ;)

All i did in this thread buddy was point out how silly the original post was. How the lack of any real proof was silly and then I responded to flames.

You did more than that, and don't call me 'buddy'. 'Buddy' is a word you use to describe a friend, and make no mistake - you're no friend of mine. I agree with the poster who said that it is frankly an embarrasment that you openly declare yourself Albertan, as you're giving Albertans a bad name everywhere in the world.

There is proof, but don't inconvenience yourself looking anything up for yourself. It's all about you, right? Your convenience. Your ego. Your satisfaction. It's nothing to do with going out of your way to harass, harangue, and hurt the people here who actually GAVE a damn about the topic at hand. No, no, no...this is all about Jayastan wanting to play 'King of the Castle', I'm so stupid. How ever could I forget? I thought this was about whether we need men or not.

Jay baby, you're proving the point - we DON'T need men like you. Not anymore. Now go sweat to the oldies, or flex your triceps, or something. The boys in the gym miss you, I'm sure.

We don't really need men, but we don't really need women either. Let's do away with gender socialization altogether.

*psst! hey, everyone, maybe if we ignore it, it will go away! :p*

It's hard to resist...but I will make the effort, Golos...

Promise.

A very long boring article with the underlying question of:
Do we really need men?

If there were no men, who is going to kill spiders hmm
:confused:

Origionally Posted by Golos:
Secondly, evolution will happen. We humans do our best to suppress it by seperating and degrading anyone who is different from the norm.

Actually Golos, not to dispute your point, because while I think that in many instances that is true, I think the actual thing that is suppressing evolution to a certain mistake is medicine. Many people that would not have lived long enough to have children in previous generations now have that opportunity. For instance, many people with Sickle Cell anemia, Cystic Fibrosis and Taysaks disease are now able to reach adulthood wheras before most didn't make it even into their teen years. It will be interesting to see what further advances in gene threapy do to this! Possibly reversing that trend by catching such maladys and correcting them so people who normally would have them, don't, or at least they don't manifest!

***** sighs *****

This is the type of post within this thread that pisses me off. People in this thread see some researcher make the claim " Do we need males, they are dieing off" and they assume its true. Or they make posts like this with no grasp of facts...

Sickle Cell anemia is around because it serves a USEFULL purpose. People with Sickle Cell anemia have a greater chance of suviving malaria. Thats why this mutation is around so much in africans. This is a example of a "good" mutation. The other's you mentioned are not.

I believe it was Suzanne Sugarbaker who said not caring about how equal the sexes were...she thinks that THE MAN SHOULD KILL THE BUG!

[QUOTE=The Infantry]who is going to kill spiders hmm
QUOTE]

Uhh...it's been done. Like, ten or fifteen pages ago...

Actually I'm not personally too worried about the Y chromosome dying off (and no, that's not just because I'm a lesbian :p). First of all, it would take thousands of years. We have plenty of time to find a solution, and we have already made huge advances in this area. Secondly, evolution will happen. We humans do our best to suppress it by seperating and degrading anyone who is different from the norm. However, if this degradation is really unstoppable, we will adapt. Humans are gifted intellectually, and for once, we may be able to use this to create and protect life, rather than destroy it.

Believe me I'm not worried either. I actually posted about how men (or women for that matter) had nothing to worry about, due to the fact that the Y-chromosome has fooled us all, and made a mirror chromosome to help repair itself. I was just trying to get the thread back on topic :)

If there were no men, who is going to kill spiders hmm
:confused:
Actually, I kill spiders for my girlfriend. And for quite a few of my male friends as well... Uh-oh, did I blaspheme? *ducks*

Furthermore, Mr. Sykes has written other books on this subject, including:

The Seven Daughters of Eve
The Human Inheritance: Genes, Language, and Evolution

You can find all three books on Amazon.com

You guys apparently missed the point.

I never said that Sykes wasn't published at all (although anyone can write a book - I was looking for peer-reviewed journal articles). What I said was that I can't find a single journal article related to the current topic.

Actually, I kill spiders for my girlfriend. And for quite a few of my male friends as well... Uh-oh, did I blaspheme? *ducks*

Luckily, I love the little critters.

You did more than that, and don't call me 'buddy'. 'Buddy' is a word you use to describe a friend, and make no mistake - you're no friend of mine. I agree with the poster who said that it is frankly an embarrasment that you openly declare yourself Albertan, as you're giving Albertans a bad name everywhere in the world.

There is proof, but don't inconvenience yourself looking anything up for yourself. It's all about you, right? Your convenience. Your ego. Your satisfaction. It's nothing to do with going out of your way to harass, harangue, and hurt the people here who actually GAVE a damn about the topic at hand. No, no, no...this is all about Jayastan wanting to play 'King of the Castle', I'm so stupid. How ever could I forget? I thought this was about whether we need men or not.

Jay baby, you're proving the point - we DON'T need men like you. Not anymore. Now go sweat to the oldies, or flex your triceps, or something. The boys in the gym miss you, I'm sure.

Again when you point out something that people believe in + it is nuts, you show how stupid said people look.

I guess that pisses people off, whatever...
And your the one flaming me buddy <<<<<< see thats sarcasim!

I didnt make you a little fat guy man...

Again when you point out something that people believe in + it is nuts, you show how stupid said people look.

I guess that pisses people off, whatever...
And your the one flaming me buddy <<<<<< see thats sarcasim!

I didnt make you a little fat guy man...

You've done a fair share of flaming yourself, buddy.

Sickle Cell anemia is around because it serves a USEFULL purpose. People with Sickle Cell anemia have a greater chance of suviving malaria. Thats why this mutation is around so much in africans. This is a example of a "good" mutation. The other's you mentioned are not.
Cystic Fibrosis is a "good" mutation. People who carry the allele for it enjoy some protection from Cholera. Hence why it exists mostly in Europe.

Origionally posted by Jayastan:
This is the type of post within this thread that pisses me off. People in this thread see some researcher make the claim " Do we need males, they are dieing off" and they assume its true. Or they make posts like this with no grasp of facts...

Sickle Cell anemia is around because it serves a USEFULL purpose. People with Sickle Cell anemia have a greater chance of suviving malaria. Thats why this mutation is around so much in africans. This is a example of a "good" mutation. The other's you mentioned are not.


No Jayastan, actually People with sickle cell do NOT have a greater chance of surviving, it is people with gene but who don't manifest it...i.e. the carriers of sickle cell are able to survive malaria and live to old age, but the people with full blown cases used to die before they reach reproductive age. This is an example of a mutation that was a partial sucess, if everybody had it then they would all die off, if nobody had it then malaria wipes them out. Please go back and read your 7th grade science text book before you try to insult somebody.

You guys apparently missed the point.

I never said that Sykes wasn't published at all (although anyone can write a book - I was looking for peer-reviewed journal articles). What I said was that I can't find a single journal article related to the current topic.

This guy is writing this shat to get some attention in the press and get his plunk published is all...

Actually Golos, not to dispute your point, because while I think that in many instances that is true, I think the actual thing that is suppressing evolution to a certain degree is medicine. Many people that would not have lived long enough to have children in previous generations now have that opportunity. For instance, many people with Sickle Cell anemia, Cystic Fibrosis and Taysaks disease are now able to reach adulthood wheras before most didn't make it even into their teen years. It will be interesting to see what further advances in gene threapy do to this! Possibly reversing that trend by catching such maladys and correcting them so people who normally would have them, don't, or at least they don't manifest!

Just to clarify something here - Sickle Cell never would've been "bred out" anyways, as those heterozygous for the gene are at an *advantage* by having no sickle cell symptoms, but are immune to malaria.

dont commit violent acts or become tyrants my ass. There was a period where multiple matriarchal societies existed and women "ruled." and it was full of wars and violence. but look now, they really arent much in control anymore, you know why? because it didnt work out. The male era is here and it has been here for a while. when/if we fail. it'll be your turn to pick it back up and try again. until then. rest well with the knowledge that you had your fair shot. and lots of people died, now its our chance to kill off some people :sniper: when we screw up horribly and can't fix it, it'll be your shot again :cool:

It doesn't make any sense

Why would a Chromosome destroy itself? It runs counter to the evolutionary theory and common sense?

Thank you Dempublicents, I forgot the name of the partial carriers. Free Ice-cream for you. <Grin>

god luck making it matter

by 2012, well all be dead. Its called a malsomething curve. I hate to admit this in any sentence, but Reagan was right.
( and, I hope, men dont dissapear, they make better partners and arent nearly as annoying as most women...myself excluded, I rule)

It doesn't make any sense

Why would a Chromosome destroy itself? It runs counter to the evolutionary theory and common sense? Many scientists aren't sure yet, but for some reason, useless genetic traits seem to die out.

Origionally posted by Jayastan:
This is the type of post within this thread that pisses me off. People in this thread see some researcher make the claim " Do we need males, they are dieing off" and they assume its true. Or they make posts like this with no grasp of facts...

Sickle Cell anemia is around because it serves a USEFULL purpose. People with Sickle Cell anemia have a greater chance of suviving malaria. Thats why this mutation is around so much in africans. This is a example of a "good" mutation. The other's you mentioned are not.


No Jayastan, actually People with sickle cell do NOT have a greater chance of surviving, it is people with gene but who don't manifest it...i.e. the carriers of sickle cell are able to survive malaria and live to old age, but the people with full blown cases used to die before they reach reproductive age. This is an example of a mutation that was a partial sucess, if everybody had it then they would all die off, if nobody had it then malaria wipes them out. Please go back and read your 7th grade science text book before you try to insult somebody.


You see how i give proof when i state something!

http://unisci.com/stories/20012/0626011.htm

For above
" Some people are born with a mutation of the G6PD gene, which, when reacting to certain triggers, such as infection (or some foods such as fava beans), can cause anemia, itself a serious and even deadly condition.

But those same people also seem more able to resist the worst effects of malaria, a mosquito-borne parasite that annually infects 500 million people and kills 2 million."

WOW, actually i took Biology in highschool, not grade seven...

Well my girlfriend is coming over so I'll be off now. :D

One last thought... I'm figuring that humanity will wipe itself out sometime in the near future unless we get more "girly men" in charge and stop killing each other. (The irony!) Maybe Canada will be spared, since they never piss anyone off except for American rednecks... You guys mind if I move up there before Bush blows up the middle east? Pleeeease?

Bye bye everyone. :p

The thing that concerns me, is that so far this thread has as far as I can tell, neglected the process of natural order, perhaps this is the way things are meant to be? Im not sure if this constitutes as an opinion, or as supplemental theory, but isnt the process of evolution (my pardon for anyone not believing in such) something that should be left untampered with?

I quote from one of my most adored books:

"All beings hitherto have created something beyond themselves: and ye want to be the ebb of that great tide, and would rather go back to the beast than surpass man?
What is the ape to man? A laughing-stock, a thing of shame. And just the same shall man be to the Superman: a laughing-stock, a thing of shame.
Ye have made your way from the worm to man, and much within you is still worm. Once were ye apes, and even yet man is more of an ape than any of the apes. "
(from Thus Spoke Zarathustra)

For what is great about man, is that like the ape, we are but a stain to our evolutionary overtakers, and perhaps this theory highlights the enslaught of a new overtaking. In this sense, pehaps the world needs not any more men, but perhaps whatever arises naturally out of this chaos.

Im not sure how many here have read this book, or are familiar with the concept of the Ubermensche vs. the Last Man, but in a sense, modern humans (we today) prevent the natural flow of evolution by trying so hard to save ourselves from its ever tightening grip. This is not to say that its a bad thing, certainly from our perspective its good - we provide ourselves with immortality in a way by doing so. However, we deny our overtakers the chance to develop as well. That is essentially the difference in philosophy between Nietzsche's "Last Man" (he who wishes to prevent evolution, because in a way they feel that with enough modification they can in a sense reach perfection) and the "Ubermensche" who fully accepts that he is but a small spec in the sandglass of time, and that he not only will be overcome, but should be overcome by his ancestors.

Not to throw any wrenches, its just a thought I had regarding this. :)

But you also forgot to add in that now we have treatments for Malaria...therefore at this point, in countries with advanced medicine, that gene now does not serve a purpose and is actually a detriment. (Hmm, High school biology huh? Is THAT where you learned to do that thing with your tongue?) <wink>

Many scientists aren't sure yet, but for some reason, useless genetic traits seem to die out.
[begin sarcasm] LOLZORZ!!! your sooo funny!!! wowq, thats the funnniest thiung Ive ever hearded! LOLZORZ!! [end sarcasm]

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=feminazi

thats all I have to say about that

Okay, this will be a first for me:

I've put up with an awful lot of sneering, I've been called every nasty name I can think of, I've been bellowed at by fundies and right-wingers, and yet...

I have yet to 'ignore' someone, anyone, on NS. That changes now. I've had five times as much abuse at the hands of the OBNOXIOUS Jayastan as I've had from all other posters combined, in all the time I've been active on NS.

No more.

I am 'ignoring' you, Jay. Congratulations, of a sort - in a bizarre little way that means something only to you, you've won. I capitulate. So, before I never see any more posts from you, just let me say, it's a pathetic excuse for a man who says the things you've said. You're a living example as to why the sales of dildos increase every year.

Feh.

Thank you Dempublicents, I forgot the name of the partial carriers. Free Ice-cream for you. <Grin>

YAY! Ice cream!!!

Just to clarify something here - Sickle Cell never would've been "bred out" anyways, as those heterozygous for the gene are at an *advantage* by having no sickle cell symptoms, but are immune to malaria.

Ypu the homozygous peops get sickle cell, the heterozygous have greater immunity to malaria therefore insureing this mutation gets passed on.

And thats what sickle cell is a mutation. It benifited the people with the heterozygous trait and since they are in the majority, they pass it on, while the homozygous people without the sickle cell trait die off....

Well my girlfriend is coming over so I'll be off now. :D

One last thought... I'm figuring that humanity will wipe itself out sometime in the near future unless we get more "girly men" in charge and stop killing each other. (The irony!) Maybe Canada will be spared, since they never piss anyone off except for American rednecks... You guys mind if I move up there before Bush blows up the middle east? Pleeeease?

Bye bye everyone. :p

Bush is goin for canada anyway. after all, whos more redneck than Bush?

Origionally posted by GOLOS:
Well my girlfriend is coming over so I'll be off now.

One last thought... I'm figuring that humanity will wipe itself out sometime in the near future unless we get more "girly men" in charge and stop killing each other. (The irony!) Maybe Canada will be spared, since they never piss anyone off except for American rednecks... You guys mind if I move up there before Bush blows up the middle east? Pleeeease?


LOL!! Golos, not to argue too much with you but please, I've been in PLENTY of gay and lesbian bars and I have never SEEN such all out warfare. The men in France in the 1600's were about as girly as it gets and I don't think that that country at that time was any monument to peace. As for Canada, well I guess you haven't walked around any of the smaller provinces on a Sat. night and seen all the fights, my guess is if they don't piss off anybody internationally it's because they are too busy fighting amongst themselves. ;)

Okay, this will be a first for me:

I've put up with an awful lot of sneering, I've been called every nasty name I can think of, I've been bellowed at by fundies and right-wingers, and yet...

I have yet to 'ignore' someone, anyone, on NS. That changes now. I've had five times as much abuse at the hands of the OBNOXIOUS Jayastan as I've had from all other posters combined, in all the time I've been active on NS.

No more.

I am 'ignoring' you, Jay. Congratulations, of a sort - in a bizarre little way that means something only to you, you've won. I capitulate. So, before I never see any more posts from you, just let me say, it's a pathetic excuse for a man who says the things you've said. You're a living example as to why the sales of dildos increase every year.

Feh.

Dude you started flaming me... bye bye

[begin sarcasm] LOLZORZ!!! your sooo funny!!! wowq, thats the funnniest thiung Ive ever hearded! LOLZORZ!! [end sarcasm]

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=feminazi

thats all I have to say about that No, You got me all wrong. I'm a male. There are some genes on the Y chromosome which don't hold a lot of purpose, and they are disappearing. The useless parts of the Y chromosome are shrinking. There will remain important parts, like the gene which triggers us to become male in the womb, called SRY.

But you also forgot to add in that now we have treatments for Malaria...therefore at this point, in countries with advanced medicine, that gene now does not serve a purpose and is actually a detriment. (Hmm, High school biology huh? Is THAT where you learned to do that thing with your tongue?) <wink>


And you forgot to point out how you looked like a idiot and owned yourself....


Remember to reseach something when you use it to back up a point.

And PS I am sure all those people in africa will count on those cheap malaria drugs from now on. :rolleyes:

Shrinkage? I think that was a Seinfeld Episode

Shrinkage? I think that was a Seinfeld Episode
seinfeld owns.
in fact, seinfeld>jesus

Jayastan, you said that people with sikle cell survived malaria, they don't, they die young, you were wrong. Deal with it, I added to my last post when I put the addition on, you are ignoring your previous one. There is a difference, Mine means I thought of something new......yours means you realized what you said was wrong and don't want to deal with it.....by the way, tell your sister to stop calling me.

That show sucks so much

LOL!! Ooops, looks like a new topic got started LOL

That show sucks so much

famous last words

Jayastan, you said that people with sikle cell survived malaria, they don't, they die young, you were wrong. Deal with it, I added to my last post when I put the addition on, you are ignoring your previous one. There is a difference, Mine means I thought of something new......yours means you realized what you said was wrong and don't want to deal with it.....by the way, tell your sister to stop calling me.



umm I should have said with the sickle cell gene instead of sickle cell. People with sickle cell (heterzygous) do indeed survive malaria at least some of the time _ in greater numbers than peoples without sickle cell...

you said it had no effect on malaria...

LOL!! Ooops, looks like a new topic got started LOL
Can we get back to the old one? Im finally interested in a topic here, and now we seem to be talking about seinfeld?

does any one care to discuss the metaphysical aspects of this thread within the next half hour before I have to leave? :confused:

Aye. at least it will serve more of a purpose than someone wanting to kill off all the men. dam people and their sexism :D

You guys apparently missed the point.

I never said that Sykes wasn't published at all (although anyone can write a book - I was looking for peer-reviewed journal articles). What I said was that I can't find a single journal article related to the current topic.

Very well. More information about Mr. Sykes:

Bryan Sykes, Professor of Human Genetics at the University of Oxford, is one of the world’s leading geneticists. After undertaking medical research into the causes of inherited bone disease, he discovered DNA could survive in ancient bones, and he was the first to report on the recovery of ancient DNA from archaeological bones in the journal, Nature, in 1989.

Since then, Professor Sykes has been called in as the leading international authority to examine several high-profile cases, such as the Ice Man, Cheddar Man, and the many individuals claiming to be members of the Russian royal family. Prof. Sykes and his research team have, over the last decade, compiled the most complete DNA family tree of our species yet available. They are the founders of Oxford Ancestors Ltd., the world’s leading provider of DNA-based services for use in personal ancestry research.

When he was at Wolfsham College, Professor Bryan Sykes published the first paper to link genes and surnames in the April issue of the American Journal of Human Genetics. (genes and surnames being one of the topics mentioned in the article that started this thread). In fact, if you search the American Journal of Human Genetics, you can find hundreds of papers authored or co-authored, or who use him as a source. I imagine if you looked in any similar British journal, you would find similar papers.

I'm not going to look through them all, but it does appear that Sykes' theories apparently bear weight in the academic world. I think it is inappropriate for you to dismiss them out of hand.

Of course, the code word here is 'theories'. This is science after all. You do your research, it leads you to various conclusions. They either stand the test of time, or you and your buddies knock them down with new information as you continue your research and start again. What's wrong with publishing your theories in an accessible format (ie book form)?

And no, i'd rather sit here and bitch about seinfeld, than read from people bitching about the existance of males and debate about malaria. ;)

Many scientists aren't sure yet, but for some reason, useless genetic traits seem to die out.

But how is the Y Chromosome useless? Without it there are no men, no penis, no sperm, no babies.

Very well. More information about Mr. Sykes:

Bryan Sykes, Professor of Human Genetics at the University of Oxford, is one of the world’s leading geneticists. After undertaking medical research into the causes of inherited bone disease, he discovered DNA could survive in ancient bones, and he was the first to report on the recovery of ancient DNA from archaeological bones in the journal, Nature, in 1989.

Since then, Professor Sykes has been called in as the leading international authority to examine several high-profile cases, such as the Ice Man, Cheddar Man, and the many individuals claiming to be members of the Russian royal family. Prof. Sykes and his research team have, over the last decade, compiled the most complete DNA family tree of our species yet available. They are the founders of Oxford Ancestors Ltd., the world’s leading provider of DNA-based services for use in personal ancestry research.

When he was at Wolfsham College, Professor Bryan Sykes published the first paper to link genes and surnames in the April issue of the American Journal of Human Genetics. (genes and surnames being one of the topics mentioned in the article that started this thread). In fact, if you search the American Journal of Human Genetics, you can find hundreds of papers authored or co-authored, or who use him as a source. I imagine if you looked in any similar British journal, you would find similar papers.

I'm not going to look through them all, but it does appear that Sykes' theories apparently bear weight in the academic world. I think it is inappropriate for you to dismiss them out of hand.

Of course, the code word here is 'theories'. This is science after all. You do your research, it leads you to various conclusions. They either stand the test of time, or you and your buddies knock them down with new information as you continue your research and start again. How can publishing your theories in an accessible format (ie book form) be fear-mongering?

And yet *again* you miss the point.

I give up.

Origionally posted by Jayastan:
umm I should have said with the sickle cell gene instead of sickle cell. People with sickle cell (heterzygous) do indeed survive malaria at least some of the time _ in greater numbers than peoples without sickle cell...

you said it had no effect on malaria...


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No, I never said that at all . You are actually a liar, and when it is in writing that is a stupid thing to be. Go back and read the origional post fool. I said that Sickle cell carriers were protected from malaria but people with full blown cases died before they reached reproductive age...a shame your parents didn't.

But how is the Y Chromosome useless? Without it there are no men, no penis, no sperm, no babies. Read my following post. The ENTIRE Y chromosome is not usless, it's just that there are certain sections that serve little purpose, and just disappear. There are important genes like SRY on the Y chromosome.

Ouch. Burn point goes to yeast. :mp5:

Btw. there is alot of "Junk" in our DNA. so its kinda pointless to debate and say just because the Y Chromosone has some junk DNA it shouldnt be there. That would be like someone saying. "you know, i dont think i use all of the toes on my feet in everyday life... so ill set fire to my leg!"

Read my following post. The ENTIRE Y chromosome is not usless, it's just that there are certain sections that serve little purpose, and just disappear. There are important genes like SRY on the Y chromosome.

So if the parts of the Y chromosome that are useless, meaning men don't use them now, are dying out, why is that a problem? If we don't use them, why do we need them?

my god....pathetic....well if you would like men to die off well by all means we should...of cource if you say ooo men always start wars and blah blah...notice women fight in wars now to sooo I havn`t read much of the post but for future refrece here ya go. anyway this subject if pretty much retarded. Without men alot of things in this world wouldn`t exsist not saying the women havn`t made anything equally good but just bringing up a subject that will make everyone post retarded comments...like the one about men being the only sex to be president...well truthfully I would rather have a women president...maybe because bush is a male and bush is extremly dumb. But still both sex's are qual no one can ever actualy say MEN ARE BETTER BECAUSE THEY MAKE SCIENTIFIC DISCOVERY'S or what not since women do the same thing...Im conceren though about the females who say they are better and are the master sex. NEITHER SEX is better. SAME LEVEL thats all im mainly trying to get across.

Of course you need men. Who else are yuo going to cook and clean and please and yield children for? :P

Nah, to be serious, that just sounds too indirect. I mean in 125,000 years we'll have enough techonogy to fight almost anything off. That's providing we don't die off from something else.

And yet *again* you miss the point.

I give up.

Go ahead. I mentioned one peer reviewed article in my post - published in April of 2003, which discussed a portion of the information he presented in his press article. I then found a massive number of peer-reviewed papers on related topics authored or co-authored by Mr. Sykes. I really don't think it's up to me to comb through them all to point out exactly how each of them is or is not relevant to his article.

I'm saying that Mr. Sykes raises some interesting theories in his article. He has written peer-reviewed journal articles on the subject. He's a professor at Oxford for goodness sake. His peers aren't rejecting his theories out of hand. Why are you?

Origionally posted by Jayastan:
umm I should have said with the sickle cell gene instead of sickle cell. People with sickle cell (heterzygous) do indeed survive malaria at least some of the time _ in greater numbers than peoples without sickle cell...

you said it had no effect on malaria...


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No, I never said that at all . You are actually a liar, and when it is in writing that is a stupid thing to be. Go back and read the origional post fool. I said that Sickle cell carriers were protected from malaria but people with full blown cases died before they reached reproductive age...a shame your parents didn't.


Ahh i see you went back and edited your post. Perhaps I didnt see that...

Check the times babycakes, I edited it like 30 seconds after printing it either due to spelling or a left out word, I'm perfectly willing to admit to spelling mistakes....you on the other hand won't admit to being factually wrong. But then again, you've got your looks and those new boobs to fall back on.

So if the parts of the Y chromosome that are useless, meaning men don't use them now, are dying out, why is that a problem? If we don't use them, why do we need them? I didn't say it was a problem. I'm just saying that's why it seems to be shrinking.

my god....pathetic....well if you would like men to die off well by all means we should...of cource if you say ooo men always start wars and blah blah...notice women fight in wars now to sooo I havn`t read much of the post but for future refrece here ya go. anyway this subject if pretty much retarded. Without men alot of things in this world wouldn`t exsist not saying the women havn`t made anything equally good but just bringing up a subject that will make everyone post retarded comments...like the one about men being the only sex to be president...well truthfully I would rather have a women president...maybe because bush is a male and bush is extremly dumb. But still both sex's are qual no one can ever actualy say MEN ARE BETTER BECAUSE THEY MAKE SCIENTIFIC DISCOVERY'S or what not since women do the same thing...Im conceren though about the females who say they are better and are the master sex. NEITHER SEX is better. SAME LEVEL thats all im mainly trying to get across.
Yep, lol. Why does noone remember Mary the Bloody, or Catherine the Great, or Anne Boleyn...

Check the times babycakes, I edited it like 30 seconds after printing it either due to spelling or a left out word, I'm perfectly willing to admit to spelling mistakes....you on the other hand won't admit to being factually wrong. But then again, you've got your looks and those new boobs to fall back on.

welll I read what a i read. It usally shows when someone is owned when they edit pas t posts + make stupid fag jokes.

Or Tina Brown, or Courtney Love, or that time when Shannen Dougherty and Paris hilton threw drinks at each other. ;)

I never made a stupid fag joke, ......I mean, I never said that you were STUPID....just that you were a bad kisser and that you cried after your hot man love sessions. Is that wrong?

I never made a stupid fag joke, ......I mean, I never said that you were STUPID....just that you were a bad kisser and that you cried after your hot man love sessions. Is that wrong?


Sure newb suuuure...

Need to run to dinner, can't wait to see how this post turns out. Jayastan, um, your boyfriend Hank wanted me to ask you if you could return his key, he said to tell you, it isn't you, it's him and that he'd still like to be friends. ;)

Golda Mier, a old dumpy woman said "We will never forgive you for making us kill your sons." to the Arabs. Pretty harsh and warlike if you ask me.

Burn point No. 2 for yeast. :mp5: jay is now a boiling heap *FINISH HIM*

I didn't say it was a problem. I'm just saying that's why it seems to be shrinking.
Its simply evolution, and if, as the artice seems to be saying, this will eventually lead to the demise of this evolutionary step in mankind - isnt that preferable? Regardless of whether or not we want men (and Im hoping since I am one that we do), the question remains, do we need them? Does the evolution of man require it? Does engineering a society to function without men, that can reproduce without regard to common biological protocol (only you understand, if its sped up by science) pose some seriously ethical as well as philosophical questions? My question stands, that in addition to not needing men, is the lack of men in society a sign of the next link in our evolutionary chain? If so, should we allow or disallow this to happen? What are some possible problems with either side of this theory?

Have we made some changes in topic here or what?

Why talk about biological gender at all...
Reproduction is a vital function, but as our everyday lives are
Intertwined and saturated with cultural and social intentionality,
it is greatly dependent on they way we negotiate identity and meaning.

Why just stick to two genders, when there indeed are many.
There is a reason why many argue that the Darwinistic evolution has been replaced by cultural evolution (sorry no ref.s at the moment).

And yes all you biological monists will raise hell in response, but
there is more to it than just "me Tarzan, you Jane" (otherwise I can certainly think of a great deal of people, who would get A LOT more of action in the "recreation" department.).

Have we made some changes in topic here or what?
Well, I was hoping that someone would enjoy discussing the more metaphysical and philosophical sides of this theory, but no one wants to pay any attention to me anyway. Im not smart enough to be posting here anyway, and soon it will be time to go home, so theres no point in trying anymore.

Need to run to dinner, can't wait to see how this post turns out. Jayastan, um, your boyfriend Hank wanted me to ask you if you could return his key, he said to tell you, it isn't you, it's him and that he'd still like to be friends. ;)


*** Sighs****

Im not your daddy dude, I didnt rape you, stop trying to rape me.

I wasnt your uncle nor the babysitter, nor the big nasty homeless guys with warts on his wank, nor the maker of fine gay porn who claimed "that you were daddies little guy with the biggest little cherrio hole in the world cause of the 50 men gang bang flick you made"

Nuff of that shat...
/ignore on

Well, I was hoping that someone would enjoy discussing the more metaphysical and philosophical sides of this theory, but no one wants to pay any attention to me anyway. Im not smart enough to be posting here anyway, and soon it will be time to go home, so theres no point in trying anymore.


Well how so? State away, I wont flame you i promise...

Go ahead. I mentioned one peer reviewed article in my post - published in April of 2003, which discussed a portion of the information he presented in his press article. I then found a massive number of peer-reviewed papers on related topics authored or co-authored by Mr. Sykes. I really don't think it's up to me to comb through them all to point out exactly how each of them is or is not relevant to his article.

I'm saying that Mr. Sykes raises some interesting theories in his article. He has written peer-reviewed journal articles on the subject. He's a professor at Oxford for goodness sake. His peers aren't rejecting his theories out of hand. Why are you?

I have never "dismissed his theories out of hand." All I asked for was a single article in a credible peer-reviewed scientific journal in which these findings were published. I can find all sorts of studies about the Y-chromosome, but not a *single* one which presents findings on it "dying out."

Why talk about biological gender at all...
Reproduction is a vital function, but as our everyday lives are
Intertwined and saturated with cultural and social intentionality,
it is greatly dependent on they way we negotiate identity and meaning.

Why just stick to two genders, when there indeed are many.
There is a reason why many argue that the Darwinistic evolution has been replaced by cultural evolution (sorry no ref.s at the moment).

And yes all you biological monists will raise hell in response, but
there is more to it than just "me Tarzan, you Jane" (otherwise I can certainly think of a great deal of people, who would get A LOT more of action in the "recreation" department.).

True enough, with respect to cultural and social intentionality, there are indeed many forms of evolution shaping the modern man. As far as Darwinistic evolution being replaced by cultural evolution, I think you would be very interested to read some of Hobbes' theories on sociobiology and evolution, I think that it covers well a lot of what youve said here.

My fiance loves me very much.

She doesn't need me because she can do everything for herself and I realize this.

The important question really is do people love men and want them around? I believe that answer is yes though I'm not closeminded in saying that because I do know that there are people who don't love men and some who downright hate them.

My fiance wants me around though and her opinion matters most to me in regards to this matter.

*** Sighs****

Im not your daddy dude, I didnt rape you, stop trying to rape me.

I wasnt your uncle nor the babysitter, nor the big nasty homeless guys with warts on his wank, nor the maker of fine gay porn who claimed "that you were daddies little guy with the biggest little cherrio hole in the world cause of the 50 men gang bang flick you made"

Nuff of that shat...
/ignore on
I just have a question...what did this post have anything to do with the one yeast posted.....*confused alot*

My fiance loves me very much.

She doesn't need me because she can do everything for herself and I realize this.

The important question really is do people love men and want them around? I believe that answer is yes though I'm not closeminded in saying that because I do know that there are people who don't love men and some who downright hate them.

My fiance wants me around though and her opinion matters most to me in regards to this matter.
just so you know....and this may sound mean....but....no one cares about your fiance.....so yeah ok well now thats off me chest i get get back to laughing at the feministic psycho's

I have never "dismissed his theories out of hand." All I asked for was a single article in a credible peer-reviewed scientific journal in which these findings were published. I can find all sorts of studies about the Y-chromosome, but not a *single* one which presents findings on it "dying out."


This the reason I went and found the links, so we could investigate this deeper.

I just have a question...what did this post have anything to do with the one yeast posted.....*confused alot*

He was making gay flames...

"
Originally Posted by Yeast Infected Nurses
Need to run to dinner, can't wait to see how this post turns out. Jayastan, um, your boyfriend Hank wanted me to ask you if you could return his key, he said to tell you, it isn't you, it's him and that he'd still like to be friends"

i don't have a problem with feminism when it means equality. I hate feminism when angry women tell all of us men that we are inferior and should cede power of the world over to them. It's not gonna happen, deal with it. Men are always going to be there and are no better or worse than women. In the original post, the person mentioned that women would not start wars or get into as many fights. Sometimes fights are good. When your people are being oppressed by a brutal dictator, you do not want to rally your people with "lets see how we can make this transition work." I know most women are not like that and I know most women do not hate men, but when the "guys" on practically every sitcom in exsistence are doofuses compared to these brilliant women who have managed to shape their characters around the idea that that women are just smarter than men, it is wrong. If women really were *better* equiped to run the world than they would have taken over by now and our entire system of thought and government would be a matriarical one. This hasn't happened.

Canada recently apointed two more female Supreme Court judges, bringing the ratio of men to women in the Supreme Court of Canada to an equal standpoint. This is VERY good. Equality is VERY good. Don't mistake me for some chauvinistic egomaniac who can't get his head around female leaders. They just aren't *better* than men.

He was making gay flames...

"
Originally Posted by Yeast Infected Nurses
Need to run to dinner, can't wait to see how this post turns out. Jayastan, um, your boyfriend Hank wanted me to ask you if you could return his key, he said to tell you, it isn't you, it's him and that he'd still like to be friends"
ok well maybe he thought you were a girl....I dont know but just maybe he did...

Additional genders.. seems a rather foreign thing. Perplexing when you think about the additional genetalia. Lets think about that a moment. New genetalia that would possibly be compatible with the old 1.0 penis/vagina models? Odd shapes a plenty!! :fluffle:

i don't have a problem with feminism when it means equality. I hate feminism when angry women tell all of us men that we are inferior and should cede power of the world over to them. It's not gonna happen, deal with it. Men are always goping to be there and are no better or worse than women. In the original post, the person mentioned that women would not start wars or get into as many fights. Sometimes fights are good. When your people are being oppressed by a brutal dictator, you do not want to rally your people with "lets see how we can make this transition work." I know most women are not like that and I know most women do not hate men, but when the "guys" on practically every sitcom in exsistence are doofuses compared to these brilliant women who have managed to shape their characters around the idea that that women are just smarter than men. If women really were *better* equiped to run the world than they would have taken over by now and our entire system of thought and government would be a matriarical one. This hasn't happened.



Canada recently apointed two more female Supreme Court judges, bringing the ratio of men to women in the Supreme Court of Canada to an equal standpoint. This is VERY good. Equality is VERY good. Don't mistake me for some chauvinistic egomaniac who can't get his head around female leaders. They just aren't *better* than men.


This thread isn't about feminism

This thread isn't about feminism

it's about whether the male chromosome is dying out because it is ill equiped to exist. I call that feminism.

Additional genders.. seems a rather foreign thing. Perplexing when you think about the additional genetalia. Lets think about that a moment. New genetalia that would possibly be compatible with the old 1.0 penis/vagina models? Odd shapes a plenty!! :fluffle:
are you sugesting I get rid of my old model hmmm well I havn`t named it yet so it aint me pet...I would like 1 2.0 please mine be last years old 1.0 model and me thinkin bout trying the 2.0 for a while do you give test drives LOL. :p

Additional genders.. seems a rather foreign thing. Perplexing when you think about the additional genetalia. Lets think about that a moment. New genetalia that would possibly be compatible with the old 1.0 penis/vagina models? Odd shapes a plenty!! :fluffle:

What additional genetalia?

Well, its 4:00pm here, and Im done for the day with lots to do, so I officially give up. :(

If this thread still exists tomorrow perhaps there will be someone who wishes to discuss the topics ive started herein, otherwise Ill be looking on monday when I return - but Im doubtful it will be around.

Perhaps if not I can start a new thread.

Phaerime, Im sorry, I feel partially responsible for the decimation of this thread, please accept my most humble apology. Perhaps more people would have taken me seriously in here had I not gone around spamming for the last week, but in any event, I commend you on a well thought out topic, and for well educated posts.

Merry Christmas,

Lasc.

ok well maybe he thought you were a girl....I dont know but just maybe he did...

no he didnt , was just being a ass as he was looking stupid. Many posters tend to go into insult mode when they dont make a arguement work ~ look silly etc etc....

Well, its 4:00pm here, and Im done for the day with lots to do, so I officially give up. :(

If this thread still exists tomorrow perhaps there will be someone who wishes to discuss the topics ive started herein, otherwise Ill be looking on monday when I return - but Im doubtful it will be around.

Perhaps if not I can start a new thread.

Phaerime, Im sorry, I feel partially responsible for the decimation of this thread, please accept my most humble apology. Perhaps more people would have taken me seriously in here had I not gone around spamming for the last week, but in any event, I commend you on a well thought out topic, and for well educated posts.

Merry Christmas,

Lasc.
awww marry chirstmas to you as well....ye old whinny bitch...no me kidding but that would have been funny if me wernt

no he didnt , was just being a ass as he was looking stupid. Many posters tend to go into insult mode when they dont make a arguement work ~ look silly etc etc....
ummm.....ummmm.....errrrr....YOU SUCK.....lol

Guys I know I've missed alot sense I had to leave. Can someone bring me up to speed with the short version?

ummm.....ummmm.....errrrr....YOU SUCK.....lol

You have many gay ummm stuff with male dogs... :p


/flaming off

I asked someone earlier to not use the colorful metaphors, so please refrane
from there use. I want to keep this as a friendly discussion, not a big ugly fight... OK

ok, well i was speaking of different genetalia because some others brought up that there was a different theory of evolution and could possibly be more than just male/female thing. or something of that nature. and some people started bitching back and forth. and its been going on a bit. quite fun actually.

Guys I know I've missed alot sense I had to leave. Can someone bring me up to speed with the short version?
I just want to say this now....notice he says guys...well in modern society this is exatly what makes the psycho women who hate men go crazy...its the fact our everday language uses the word 'man' as a greeting or jsut a word in a sentance. also with 'guys' most of our language uses these sexist sort of remarks...and I hate to sound like a feminist cause im a male....but even though I use these words I would very much like them to be non used in everyday talk....its just funny how no one goes hey women or girls whats up....its usually hey guys whats up...or how ya doing man...stuff like this.

ok, well i was speaking of different genetalia because some others brought up that there was a different theory of evolution and could possibly be more than just male/female thing. or something of that nature. and some people started bitching back and forth. and its been going on a bit. quite fun actually.
hmmm they would be called it's lol.

No, we don't NEED men. (Do men have a right to exist, yes.)
But, for kicks and to make a point, lets look at it the other way around:
Do we need women?
You immediatly say yes, but why? The answer is obviously - reproduction. But, if science at this moment has a method for 2 women to have a kid together w/o a man, than our science can probably do the same thing for 2 men. All that's needed really is a substitute for the womb, which is probably possible today and will undoubtedly be simplistic in the later years of this century. All one would need is a tank/container of some kind w/ a liquid environment that would keep a constant temperature, and an apperatus to nourish the developing fetus. (think Brave New World) So if we assume that science will advance, within my lifetime we probably won't need women.
The entire "do we need men/women?" debate is mute because assuming once again that science can present a reproductive solution, the answer is we don't need either sex. I'll say again though that both men and women have a right to exist, and there are certianly perks to keeping both around.

To the info in the article - interesting. Its complicated, but does make sense. And it's a little disconcerting. However, given the ridiculously large amount of time we have until this could possibly come about, I have no doubts that we will have some sort of solution to save the human race, male and female.

P.S. Have any of you seen that movie "The Last man on Planet Earth?" That's the kind of debate I thought you were getting into w/ the title :D so i thank you for wanting to discuss something scientific, not sexist.

This the reason I went and found the links, so we could investigate this deeper.

All of which referred either to books or other forms of publishing other than peer-reviewed journals.

I, for one, went ahead and did a quick search of Sykes' journal articles. I could find the following:
Hurles ME, Maund E, Nicholson J, Bosch E, Renfrew C, Sykes BC, Jobling MA. Native American Y chromosomes in Polynesia: the genetic impact of the Polynesian slave trade.
Am J Hum Genet. 2003 May;72(5):1282-7. Epub 2003 Mar 18.
PMID: 12644966 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

2: Hurles ME, Nicholson J, Bosch E, Renfrew C, Sykes BC, Jobling MA. Y chromosomal evidence for the origins of oceanic-speaking peoples.
Genetics. 2002 Jan;160(1):289-303.
PMID: 11805064 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

3: Rosser ZH, Zerjal T, Hurles ME, Adojaan M, Alavantic D, Amorim A, Amos W, Armenteros M, Arroyo E, Barbujani G, Beckman G, Beckman L, Bertranpetit J, Bosch E, Bradley DG, Brede G, Cooper G, Corte-Real HB, de Knijff P, Decorte R, Dubrova YE, Evgrafov O, Gilissen A, Glisic S, Golge M, Hill EW, Jeziorowska A, Kalaydjieva L, Kayser M, Kivisild T, Kravchenko SA, Krumina A, Kucinskas V, Lavinha J, Livshits LA, Malaspina P, Maria S, McElreavey K, Meitinger TA, Mikelsaar AV, Mitchell RJ, Nafa K, Nicholson J, Norby S, Pandya A, Parik J, Patsalis PC, Pereira L, Peterlin B, Pielberg G, Prata MJ, Previdere C, Roewer L, Rootsi S, Rubinsztein DC, Saillard J, Santos FR, Stefanescu G, Sykes BC, Tolun A, Villems R, Tyler-Smith C, Jobling MA. Y-chromosomal diversity in Europe is clinal and influenced primarily by geography, rather than by language.
Am J Hum Genet. 2000 Dec;67(6):1526-43. Epub 2000 Nov 09.
PMID: 11078479 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

4: Helgason A, Sigureth ardottir S, Nicholson J, Sykes B, Hill EW, Bradley DG, Bosnes V, Gulcher JR, Ward R, Stefansson K.
Estimating Scandinavian and Gaelic ancestry in the male settlers of Iceland.
Am J Hum Genet. 2000 Sep;67(3):697-717. Epub 2000 Aug 07.
PMID: 10931763 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

5: Sykes B, Irven C.
Surnames and the Y chromosome.
Am J Hum Genet. 2000 Apr;66(4):1417-9. Epub 2000 Mar 17.
PMID: 10739766 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

6: Hurles ME, Irven C, Nicholson J, Taylor PG, Santos FR, Loughlin J, Jobling MA, Sykes BC.
European Y-chromosomal lineages in Polynesians: a contrast to the population structure revealed by mtDNA.
Am J Hum Genet. 1998 Dec;63(6):1793-806.

All of it looks interesting enough, but none seems to be related to the topic at hand.

I personally dont see a reason to get all worked up about stuff liek that. IMHO, they are just words, i dont see the need to have everything politically correct.

I just want to say this now....notice he says guys...well in modern society this is exatly what makes the psycho women who hate men go crazy...its the fact our everday language uses the word 'man' as a greeting or jsut a word in a sentance. also with 'guys' most of our language uses these sexist sort of remarks...and I hate to sound like a feminist cause im a male....but even though I use these words I would very much like them to be non used in everyday talk....its just funny how no one goes hey women or girls whats up....its usually hey guys whats up...or how ya doing man...stuff like this.


Get over it :rolleyes:

Worry for women who are raped or beaten not if we use "male" nouns. :rolleyes:

Men are okay sometimes, but then they create huge hassels over stupid things. Though i do agree that they are fun to watch and play with. ;) :)

All of which referred either to books or other forms of publishing other than peer-reviewed journals.

I, for one, went ahead and did a quick search of Sykes' journal articles. I could find the following:
Hurles ME, Maund E, Nicholson J, Bosch E, Renfrew C, Sykes BC, Jobling MA. Native American Y chromosomes in Polynesia: the genetic impact of the Polynesian slave trade.
Am J Hum Genet. 2003 May;72(5):1282-7. Epub 2003 Mar 18.
PMID: 12644966 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

2: Hurles ME, Nicholson J, Bosch E, Renfrew C, Sykes BC, Jobling MA. Y chromosomal evidence for the origins of oceanic-speaking peoples.
Genetics. 2002 Jan;160(1):289-303.
PMID: 11805064 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

3: Rosser ZH, Zerjal T, Hurles ME, Adojaan M, Alavantic D, Amorim A, Amos W, Armenteros M, Arroyo E, Barbujani G, Beckman G, Beckman L, Bertranpetit J, Bosch E, Bradley DG, Brede G, Cooper G, Corte-Real HB, de Knijff P, Decorte R, Dubrova YE, Evgrafov O, Gilissen A, Glisic S, Golge M, Hill EW, Jeziorowska A, Kalaydjieva L, Kayser M, Kivisild T, Kravchenko SA, Krumina A, Kucinskas V, Lavinha J, Livshits LA, Malaspina P, Maria S, McElreavey K, Meitinger TA, Mikelsaar AV, Mitchell RJ, Nafa K, Nicholson J, Norby S, Pandya A, Parik J, Patsalis PC, Pereira L, Peterlin B, Pielberg G, Prata MJ, Previdere C, Roewer L, Rootsi S, Rubinsztein DC, Saillard J, Santos FR, Stefanescu G, Sykes BC, Tolun A, Villems R, Tyler-Smith C, Jobling MA. Y-chromosomal diversity in Europe is clinal and influenced primarily by geography, rather than by language.
Am J Hum Genet. 2000 Dec;67(6):1526-43. Epub 2000 Nov 09.
PMID: 11078479 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

4: Helgason A, Sigureth ardottir S, Nicholson J, Sykes B, Hill EW, Bradley DG, Bosnes V, Gulcher JR, Ward R, Stefansson K.
Estimating Scandinavian and Gaelic ancestry in the male settlers of Iceland.
Am J Hum Genet. 2000 Sep;67(3):697-717. Epub 2000 Aug 07.
PMID: 10931763 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

5: Sykes B, Irven C.
Surnames and the Y chromosome.
Am J Hum Genet. 2000 Apr;66(4):1417-9. Epub 2000 Mar 17.
PMID: 10739766 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

6: Hurles ME, Irven C, Nicholson J, Taylor PG, Santos FR, Loughlin J, Jobling MA, Sykes BC.
European Y-chromosomal lineages in Polynesians: a contrast to the population structure revealed by mtDNA.
Am J Hum Genet. 1998 Dec;63(6):1793-806.

All of it looks interesting enough, but none seems to be related to the topic at hand.


The topic is fluff + meant to grab headlines + your attention as it has in this thread...

You have many gay ummm stuff with male dogs... :p


/flaming off
-.- so your point is LOL......well thats anough of that I think i`ll finish of my rant in this topic with a irish drinking song...now then IM OFF TO FIND A GOOD SONG BWHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Just curious ... has anyone had a chance to check out some of the links I posted?


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Men are okay sometimes, but then they create huge hassels over stupid things. Though i do agree that they are fun to watch and play with. ;) :)
ok what is up with everyone going "men are fun to watch and so-so" im kinda getting scared now...wonder what the girls at muh school think bout men...hmm is that like a regular sport or sumtin MEN WATCHERS.... lol do you girls stick camera's around the town and watch guy's...just wonderin

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I dont see a link either, just a book summary...

Way too long, way to much unpleasantness from both genders, way too late at night (oh... morning).

But I just gotta toss my two cents in.

Men are expendable. Thats right. Deep in our genetic code is a capacity to override our survival instincts to do things that result in possible deaths for the good of our immediate family or social group. Once upon a time it was to drive of a cave bear, often by sating it's hunger. The most important thing in an early human tribe, back when we were still monkeys, was the females and the young. One male was kept around to ensure breeding, while all the young males guarded the tribe from threats, which could potentially be other humans transgressing on our territory; this results in our capacity for war against each other and why young men fight.

Women will, indeed can, perform all the degrees of heroism that men can do. In defence of her children, for instance, a woman can become superhuman. But males are programmed for the defence of the tribe, not merely the young. In addition, with men our engagements of potential threats is hardwired, not rationally considered - leading to what appear to be irrational acts on the part of men(women can be equally irrational where children are concerned, but to a narrower degree). This legacy that appears as male aggression is part of the Y-chromosome and should definitely be saved as part of our future.

So will you need us for manual labour? Nope. Will you need us for breeding? Probably not. But what about suicide missions? Impossible last stands? Success against all odds, caused by sheer thick headed male stubborness rather than any genuine rational thought? Yep, we're the men for the job.

I may have the body of a weak and feeble.... man... but give me a point of no retreat and nothing will come past until I finally stop bleeding.

OK Guys I be back on later tonight .... please be nice and watch the colorful
metaphores.

Okay, okay. Guys let's just agree to disagree with everyone except me. Here I go:

(Women, Minorities, Gays) :mp5: HAHAHAHA

So what I mean to say is, racism is okay, sexism against women is okay, and discrimination against fags is okay. Basically anyone who isn't a straight white male should not be counted as an equal to straight white men.

Let's be reasonable. Why does sexism exist? What natural tendencies cause it? In my opinion (which is also fact :rolleyes: ), regarding anyone who is different is natural. It is NATURAL HUMAN EMOTION. So why should we go against our own natural tendencies? People talk of raw diets and other attempts to include nature in our life. Hate anyone who isnt like you and youll get the most natural feelings ever!

There are biological differences between males and females. Females are attracted to different things. They have different priorities. Males are find attraction by mainly one sense of perception. We all know what it is. Its sight. Women use physical feeling, sound, and smell over sight. Women also generally like a man who is more possessive. Its not a bad thing, it is just natural. It is natures way of organizing family. Unfortunately in these modern times, men are taught not to worry about their masculinity. One quote describes it very well. "The world has lost its taste for women, war, and wine." Society teaches us 'tolerance.' When in reality, that tolerance brings the discrimination against white males even more, when we are the ones who made society in the first place! When one group who is oppressed gets its rights, they are always from the backs of the more common majority. Most of the time the majority includes the WORKERS.

Oh well, I believe that this is one big jumble of ideas that I quickly jotted down . After seeing all of the discussion about sexist and racist bashing I figured Id make sure I put my two sense in. Anyone who agrees with me on any level about the race part can visit: www.natall.com

-Brandon (Celtic for "Fiery Sword")

Whoa whoa whoa man, you argument is that racism and sexism are good because they feel natural, because white men created society? Thats just ridiculous. If people in the white male group, from whom I belong, completely believed that, why is it that that belief is currently intolerable. Seriously man, feeling racist or sexist is not natural. Its actually quite the opposite.

In theory, if you had not known sexism or racism existed, you would not experience either. Just like if you never had anything to fear, you would never experience fear.

So why is it that you feel this way? Because you saw someone else do it first. Probably from that nice link you posted. Racism and Sexism are learned traits. Look at it this way. If you can discriminate against someone for having different skin color, why don't you do it for hair color too. There's just as little a difference.

Finally, its impossible to state that white men created society. In case you hadn't noticed, every country on earth has government and society. They had it before the greeks, romans, british, and dutch decided to start exploring the world.

I'm not going to insult you, because usually the idea of racism in someone is youthful misguidance. Try to keep your opinions to yourself though.

Ok sorry, I cannot resist. I understand that you have two sense, eh? Its pretty apparent that your sense is pretty close to nothing. Last time I counted, I had at least 5 senses.

By the way, an african american man invented peanut butter. I bet you have eaten thousands of foods with that in it. Way to not stay true to your cause, my friend. Don't you dare insult George Washington Carver, he was more than you will ever be.

Marie Curie discovered Radium, which cures cancer. It ****ing cures cancer. What have you accomplished. Have you cured cancer? A woman could do it, why can't you. Seriously man, cure cancer.

Alexander the Great conquered most of the known world for his day. Guess what. He had a male lover. He was in to guys. I haven't heard of you before. Have you amassed one of the greatest armies ever known and spread your rule throughout continents?

Now, I said i wouldnt insult you, but it was just soooo easy. I'm sorry, make it a little harder next time. Now I don't really agree with everything being said. I do believe that men are necesary, and most things that have been said, about men being primal is just silly. Primal instincts are what people used to do before civilization has no bearing on modern life. Now it does. Get used to it.

But back to you. Try to get some more sense, and understand that many African Americans, Homosexuals, and Women are better and more successful than you will ever be.

it's about whether the male chromosome is dying out because it is ill equiped to exist. I call that feminism.
i dont call that feminism. i call it "science" it may be good science it may not be. thats up for debate by people who know more of that kind of thing than i do


geez the evening shift is out of control. i had to go cut matts for 11 paintings, i come back and all hell has broken loose. stick to the topic for a change, its an interesting one!

Men are obsolete. If they are being pushed out of the gene pool, so be it. And I'm a male, btw. I feel no pity for my other brothers. We can do anything a woman does, but we unfortunately produce far too much testosterone.

Additional genders.. seems a rather foreign thing. Perplexing when you think about the additional genetalia. Lets think about that a moment. New genetalia that would possibly be compatible with the old 1.0 penis/vagina models? Odd shapes a plenty!! :fluffle:
hey 120,000 years ago were we even neanderthals? in another 100,000 who knows what we might become. we could have many extra genders of who knows what sort or maybe we'll all be ONE gender but with different genitals at different times of life. we are going to have to do SOMETHING if the male genes are going to die out. we may be no more female by then than we will be male. who knows, we may be another some number of unrecognizable genders compared to what we are now.

Yes, we do. Neither gender is superior.

hey 120,000 years ago were we even neanderthals? in another 100,000 who knows what we might become. we could have many extra genders of who knows what sort or maybe we'll all be ONE gender but with different genitals at different times of life. we are going to have to do SOMETHING if the male genes are going to die out. we may be no more female by then than we will be male. who knows, we may be another some number of unrecognizable genders compared to what we are now.

We were not Neanderthals 120,000 years ago. We were never Neanderthals. They were a different species.

AFAIK, humans have remained essentially unchanged genetically over the last 100,000 years and another 125,000 years isn't nearly enough time for women to grow penises. Not via natural evolution.

Without continuing advances in genetics & medical technology, the human race is extinct in 125,000 years without men.

With continuing advances in technology, we won't really need men, but we also won't really need women either, at that point. We'll just make what we want.

We're close to the point where we can take two eggs and join them to get another woman. We're also close to the point where we can take cells from two men, turn one of those cells into an egg, and get another man.

So nyah.

:confused: wow, you feminist. im all for equality but not downing of the man. all sports would stop and beer would be useless. and the geneticlly engineered women are only posible in species of mice, not humans. do more research before sounding stupid, k? :rolleyes: get a life or ill find one for you, you rugg-munching, carpet-licking looser. :)

I think Women vs. Men are like Blue states vs. Red.

We're smarter than them, but we need them to survive.

Nah, just kidding.

Both are extremely different, but those differences create balance.

(Now if men would just pull their heads out of their asses and stop looking at women as objects and classifying themselves as the superior gender. There is no such thing as penis envy. A vagina is way cooler anyway.)

We were not Neanderthals 120,000 years ago. We were never Neanderthals. They were a different species.

AFAIK, humans have remained essentially unchanged genetically over the last 100,000 years and another 125,000 years isn't nearly enough time for women to grow penises. Not via natural evolution.

Without continuing advances in genetics & medical technology, the human race is extinct in 125,000 years without men.

With continuing advances in technology, we won't really need men, but we also won't really need women either, at that point. We'll just make what we want.

We're close to the point where we can take two eggs and join them to get another woman. We're also close to the point where we can take cells from two men, turn one of those cells into an egg, and get another man.

So nyah.
i know i should remember this but where were these homo sapiens sapiens living 100,000 years ago? isnt that before the time of the homo sapiens neanderthalensis? yeah i know that we didnt really evolve from the neanderthals but i didnt think we were the same as we are now.

alot has happened in the past 100,000 years and if men are destined to die out, we are going to have to do SOMETHING in the next 100,000 to insure the continuation of our species. (even if that means evolving into a new one) we dont need "chicks with dicks" we just need another way of transferring gametes for sexual reproduction

the interesting thing about that "making what we want" thing is that when we get the choice, we choose male. there are areas in india and china where selective abortion has created communities with far more men than women. the thought of massive numbers of men destined to live without the possibility of marriage and chldren is kind of scary. it creates a bad imbalance.

:confused: wow, you feminist. im all for equality but not downing of the man. all sports would stop and beer would be useless. and the geneticlly engineered women are only posible in species of mice, not humans. do more research before sounding stupid, k? :rolleyes: get a life or ill find one for you, you rugg-munching, carpet-licking looser. :)

wow you make the effort to disguise yourself by creating a puppet state just to diss non-existant feminist man bashers then go offline

such astounding conviction of your beliefs. you must be proud of yourself

I think that 125,000 years from now, this won't make a lick of difference.

All I have to say is that I hope I can hook up with a girl who's not half as neurotic or self-important as some of these people.

I think that 125,000 years from now, this won't make a lick of difference.

All I have to say is that I hope I can hook up with a girl who's not half as neurotic or self-important as some of these people.
Why? not "MAN" enough to take a thoughtful girl?

Hello All

Hello All
Hola 

Why? not "MAN" enough to take a thoughtful girl?

I'm too exhausted to tell whether or not that was sarcasm. There's nothing intelligent, if you ask me, about blowing a theoretical argument for the possible decaying of a chromosome several thousand years from now out of proportion, for either side of the argument. How about a little simple philosophy? What a man thinks of women is irrelevant. What a woman thinks of men is irrelevant. What one man and one woman think of each other is all that matters.

(No offense to anyone with varying sexual preference. It just sounds a little more poetic this way. Maybe it doesn't pay to be a philosopher and a poet.)

Hola 

How you doing?

I'm sorry if this thread became a bashing party after I left it wasn't meant to be one

Women are men too, you can't spell women without men same thing with woman = man. This topic should be closed before a sex war breaks out.

Women are men too, you can't spell women without men same thing with woman = man. This topic should be closed before a sex war breaks out.

I am the one who posted this originally, there better not be any such thing
happening in my thread or I will have this one locked myself. This thread was supposed to be a friendly discussion so those of you who can't follow my
wishes in my thread can consider themselves invited to leave.

Women are men too, you can't spell women without men same thing with woman = man. This topic should be closed before a sex war breaks out.
Lol you are using SPELLING to prove a woman is a man? Um that is only in English silly

I would have liked to have stayed the whole time to referee, but I had
some RL business to attend too, and RL must come over NS.

I would have liked to have stayed the whole time to referee, but I had
some RL business to attend too, and RL must come over NS.
Lol fair enough

just so you know....and this may sound mean....but....no one cares about your fiance.....so yeah ok well now thats off me chest i get get back to laughing at the feministic psycho's

You know what. Totally uncalled for but you already know that.

Personally I think (know) that the world would be a much better place without men or women. So there...
:sniper:

Hi Phaerime, hi UpwardThrust, Ashmoria.

Ouch, good luck in a world without men ladies!


No one to buy your jewerly
No one to fight your wars, except yourselves of course. But then you'd be overrun by everyone in Eastern Europe! (stereotypically correct)
No point in your fashion or make up
Half of the global economy vanishing
Half of the world's knowledge gone
No one to do your labor work (garbage throwing, gardening, etc.)
Not much of a point in sex ed, so kill of those teachers

You need us for truly one biological reason only and that is our physical strength. The most physically powerful woman versus the most physically powerful man would be of little contest to the man for he would be the victor. Also, this does not make a man in any way better than you just different. It has been proven that women mulitask on average far better than men. They also on average tend to be better students as well. Finally, without a balance, there would be chaos, you need us to maintain balance in the world yin yang whatever. Now... fetch me a beer wench! :D

Ouch, good luck in a world without men ladies!


No one to buy your jewerly
No one to fight your wars, except yourselves of course. But then you'd be overrun by everyone in Eastern Europe! (stereotypically correct)
No point in your fashion or make up
Half of the global economy vanishing
Half of the world's knowledge gone
No one to do your labor work (garbage throwing, gardening, etc.)
Not much of a point in sex ed, so kill of those teachers

Apparently you haven't read the entire thread or you wouldn't have made a statement like that.

do you really think that we, as men, the superior of the two sexes (don't argue we have 150% more muscle, faster, more left-brained, etc) would allow this to happen? of course not! we're going to be around until humanity as a whole dies off, and we will find a cure for our slowly decaying chromosome, since the majority of scientists are men themselves, and are obviously concerned. bam!

Apparently you haven't read the entire thread or you wouldn't have made a statement like that.
No, I find it impossible to read anything like that through and through during my best time at the day, much less at 10:22 P.M. on Thursday night when I should be sleeping but for some stupid reason I'm here.

do you really think that we, as men, the superior of the two sexes (don't argue we have 150% more muscle, faster, more left-brained, etc) would allow this to happen? of course not! we're going to be around until humanity as a whole dies off, and we will find a cure for our slowly decaying chromosome, since the majority of scientists are men themselves, and are obviously concerned. bam!
yeah but unless we go gay, we'll never be sexually pleased with that attitude! ;)


j/k on that joke ladies, I understand this thread is like heaven to Femi-Nazis.

do you really think that we, as men, the superior of the two sexes (don't argue we have 150% more muscle, faster, more left-brained, etc) would allow this to happen? of course not! we're going to be around until humanity as a whole dies off, and we will find a cure for our slowly decaying chromosome, since the majority of scientists are men themselves, and are obviously concerned. bam!


Correct! we would raise our swords and fight till the last chromosome!

You need us for truly one biological reason only and that is our physical strength. The most physically powerful woman versus the most physically powerful man would be of little contest to the man for he would be the victor. Also, this does not make a man in any way better than you just different. It has been proven that women mulitask on average far better than men. They also on average tend to be better students as well. Finally, without a balance, there would be chaos, you need us to maintain balance in the world yin yang whatever. Now... fetch me a beer wench! :D

There'd be a new balance struck, of course...but it's thousands of years away.

Don't you think it's funny, though that you advance male physical prowess as a necessity for women, then go on to say that men would best us in this area? Aren't you proceeding from false assumption? Why would I want someone around to best me in physical contests? Why would I wish to compete in contests?

And more to the point, why would I want to fetch you a beer? You've got all those muscles, get off your ass and get your own damn beer.

do you really think that we, as men, the superior of the two sexes (don't argue we have 150% more muscle, faster, more left-brained, etc) would allow this to happen? of course not! we're going to be around until humanity as a whole dies off, and we will find a cure for our slowly decaying chromosome, since the majority of scientists are men themselves, and are obviously concerned. bam!

I hope you are right because there are some of us Ladies that would like
to keep you around for a while longer even if you are a royal pain at times.

Hi Phaerime, hi UpwardThrust, Ashmoria.

HI Dobbs!

Ah yes but my muscles would be sore from lactic acid buildup and you being a dutifull woman would fetch it for me.

Ay yey YI! There are 29 pages in this thread! No, haven't read the majority of it, so I might be posting something that someone else already pointed out, sorry if that's the case.

Semi-back-on subject... I saw on the Animal Planet that in the last 40 years the sperm counts of men have dropped in half from drinking the water. We've been able to filter out most harmful ingredients from our water, but the hormones from birth control that are not absorbed by a woman's body are excreted into the water system when she goes to the bathroom. These hormones can't be filtered out of the water we drink... as of yet. Interesting, huh?

Nay this is not a false assumption for it has been proven time and time again by science and physical anatomy. oh yes and professional sports..WNBA..not nearly as interesting to watch, female boxing, please!

yeah but unless we go gay, we'll never be sexually pleased with that attitude! ;)


j/k on that joke ladies, I understand this thread is like heaven to Femi-Nazis.

I wonder who gave you that idea. Go on, go back and take a look- no feminazis here, just mostly angry men lashing out at 'manbashing' that hasn't happened.

In fact, I'm surprised at how many angry men are showing up, baring their teeth, sneering at the opposite sex, and patting each other on the back, all the while making sexist jokes and innuendo.

Someone on here said a long while back, what if it was 'Do we really need women?' - and I guess I'm finally getting the answer. You guys don't, do you? Need women, that is. Because if you did, you wouldn't act this way...after all, we haven't acted this way towards you.

No, I find it impossible to read anything like that through and through during my best time at the day, much less at 10:22 P.M. on Thursday night when I should be sleeping but for some stupid reason I'm here.

Your welcome here Colodia but do you really think we can't buy our own
jewerly. And I'm sure we would make do because what else could we do. After all it's not like we are the ones responsible for the decay. I only wished
to bring it to everyones attention so someone could start fixing the problem.

I hope you are right because there are some of us Ladies that would like
to keep you around for a while longer even if you are a royal pain at times.

hurrah! a non-feminazi. and i AM pleased that all the men are coming out in force to make snide remarks about women and how much we all kick ass! ;)

Ah yes but my muscles would be sore from lactic acid buildup and you being a dutifull woman would fetch it for me.

Does that sound a little sexist or is it just me?

Phaerime, hi, I had a weird conversation with my SO tonight, I was talking about this thread, and somehow we got onto the topic of reproduction. My SO thinks I'm on the inside track of evolution...LOL...and told me I should reproduce, maybe donate some sperm to a nice lesbian couple in need.

Blew my mind. I haven't thought of reproducing for yeeeears, now. I'm probably still capable, but it was just...weird how our conversation went. I needed a few minutes to meditate on it.

Just wanted to share.

I wonder who gave you that idea. Go on, go back and take a look- no feminazis here, just mostly angry men lashing out at 'manbashing' that hasn't happened.

In fact, I'm surprised at how many angry men are showing up, baring their teeth, sneering at the opposite sex, and patting each other on the back, all the while making sexist jokes and innuendo.

Someone on here said a long while back, what if it was 'Do we really need women?' - and I guess I'm finally getting the answer. You guys don't, do you? Need women, that is. Because if you did, you wouldn't act this way...after all, we haven't acted this way towards you.


Nay my fine feline we do need you we need you show us the error of our ways and give us savage sexual beatings when we are bad! I'm married she puts up w/ me..why? I do not know but I do appreciate it. I'm not an angry man either just having a bit of fun.

Ouch, good luck in a world without men ladies!


No one to buy your jewerly
No one to fight your wars, except yourselves of course. But then you'd be overrun by everyone in Eastern Europe! (stereotypically correct)
No point in your fashion or make up
Half of the global economy vanishing
Half of the world's knowledge gone
No one to do your labor work (garbage throwing, gardening, etc.)
Not much of a point in sex ed, so kill of those teachers

If you read the first post you'd see that there wouldn't be any wars without men. ;)

Does that sound a little sexist or is it just me?

most indeed it is! but all in jest my dear.

Ay yey YI! There are 29 pages in this thread! No, haven't read the majority of it, so I might be posting something that someone else already pointed out, sorry if that's the case.

Semi-back-on subject... I saw on the Animal Planet that in the last 40 years the sperm counts of men have dropped in half from drinking the water. We've been able to filter out most harmful ingredients from our water, but the hormones from birth control that are not absorbed by a woman's body are excreted into the water system when she goes to the bathroom. These hormones can't be filtered out of the water we drink... as of yet. Interesting, huh?


Maybe the people that developed birth control products should have done
more testing before putting it on the market.

winged hussars you kick ass, when my man-regime takes over the world, complete with czech pilsner beer and plenty of floozies to go around, you will be my second in command. :mp5: :mp5: :mp5:

If you read the first post you'd see that there wouldn't be any wars without men. ;)
I call BULLSHIT on this one! women have wars all the time. they are just fought differently with snide remarks, back stabbing and mind games...and every now and then a good scrap.

Maybe the people that developed birth control products should have done
more testing before putting it on the market.

Sounds like it

The problem with the position lies in a lack of understanding of the difference in men and women in aiding the newborn to adapt to the "new situation" they find themselves in. The mothers DNA is insufficient - and anything kept in stasis would reflect old situations, not current ones.

In short, when the body creates sperm, the conditions around (environmental in particular) help determine if certain gene series are turned "on" or "off". This aids in adaptation of the offspring. (really simplistic, but I'm really exhausted atm)

Both sexes are "needed" in some sense. I have no problems with homosexual or heterosexual (or polygamous or androgynous or whatever) people having and raising children - it simply must be noted that both sexes are necessary for proper adaptation and evolution to take place.

winged hussars you kick ass, when my man-regime takes over the world, complete with czech pilsner beer and plenty of floozies to go around, you will be my second in command. :mp5: :mp5: :mp5:

*saluting* brother to brother, yours in life and death!

I call BULLSHIT on this one! women have wars all the time. they are just fought differently with snide remarks, back stabbing and mind games...and every now and then a good scrap.

True, but most of the time, we'd just call each other bitches behind the other's back and then play nice like they are our best friend when they're around. Or we'd just give each other the silent treatment. No real WMD's going on in womens' wars.

we shall clone hot women and brainwash them to do our sexual bidding, that is my thinking on how i shall acquire these floozies for our new world order. oh and there will be guns. lots of guns. *matrix anyone*

Plus Winged_Hussars I was just pointing out what was in the first post of this thread. It said it in there, not my idea.

we shall clone hot women and brainwash them to do our sexual bidding, that is my thinking on how i shall acquire these floozies for our new world order. oh and there will be guns. lots of guns. *matrix anyone*
And there shall be buttsecks wherever we wish

Phaerime, hi, I had a weird conversation with my SO tonight, I was talking about this thread, and somehow we got onto the topic of reproduction. My SO thinks I'm on the inside track of evolution...LOL...and told me I should reproduce, maybe donate some sperm to a nice lesbian couple in need.

Blew my mind. I haven't thought of reproducing for yeeeears, now. I'm probably still capable, but it was just...weird how our conversation went. I needed a few minutes to meditate on it.

Just wanted to share.


Glad my thread could stimulate your thought process. And yes a donation of that kind might very well make some nice couples day and maybe give you
a god child to boot. Kudos

As a man, my opinion may be biased, as surely the thread composer's is not, but without us, you would cease to exist.Women were created after men, you know. First and foremost, with the woman to the side. Like God intended.
<Owned>

Such vivid imaginations...you guys could write a screenplay. Why don't you start your own thread, guys?

i know i should remember this but where were these homo sapiens sapiens living 100,000 years ago? isnt that before the time of the homo sapiens neanderthalensis? yeah i know that we didnt really evolve from the neanderthals but i didnt think we were the same as we are now.

alot has happened in the past 100,000 years and if men are destined to die out, we are going to have to do SOMETHING in the next 100,000 to insure the continuation of our species. (even if that means evolving into a new one) we dont need "chicks with dicks" we just need another way of transferring gametes for sexual reproduction

the interesting thing about that "making what we want" thing is that when we get the choice, we choose male. there are areas in india and china where selective abortion has created communities with far more men than women. the thought of massive numbers of men destined to live without the possibility of marriage and chldren is kind of scary. it creates a bad imbalance.

Well, by 100,000 years ago, modern humans had definitely evolved into what we are today, and around that time we were also busily migrating out of Africa. There have been minor changes over time, things like skin tone, hair type, facial features. But that's really very minor, genetically. A human of 100,000 years ago wasn't much different from us than say, a European is from an Asian.

The type of changes we'd need to allow women to reproduce without males is more like evolving into a new species altogether. I'd guess millions of years. A lot longer than the 125,000 we've apparently got.

So yes, we'll have to do something, but evolution isn't going to do it. It'll have to be future technology & science.

When I said, "we'll make what we want" I wasn't really thinking about China or India. Those places are headed for trouble, and I think they're realizing it. Hopefully in the future they'll be more enlightened and not living under conditions that force them to choose boy or girl.

By "make what we want," I was thinking more along the lines of "I want my kid to have green skin, be seven feet tall, able to dead lift 3,000 pounds and have infrared vision with photographic memory."

As a man, my opinion may be biased, as surely the thread composer's is not, but without us, you would cease to exist.Women were created after men, you know. First and foremost, with the woman to the side. Like God intended.
<Owned>

Dear God, Allah, Buddha! Please, Please, PLEEEAAAASE let this not turn into a religious argument! :headbang:

Such vivid imaginations...you guys could write a screenplay. Why don't you start your own thread, guys?
My rights as a man shall not be trampled over!


As Thomas Jefferson said, all men are created equal! And are endowned with certain, inalienable rights!

we shall clone hot women and brainwash them to do our sexual bidding, that is my thinking on how i shall acquire these floozies for our new world order. oh and there will be guns. lots of guns. *matrix anyone*

Dream on Hot Pants

My rights as a man shall not be trampled over!


As Thomas Jefferson said, all men are created equal! And are endowned with certain, inalienable rights!

Okay, your rights aren't being trampled HERE, though. No-one's trampling on you. So why don't you go look somewhere else for trampling?

(I'll stay here and keep an eye out for signs of trampling while you're out making sure the rest of the forums are safe from trampling, deal?)

My rights as a man shall not be trampled over!


As Thomas Jefferson said, all men are created equal! And are endowned with certain, inalienable rights!

And I think you have the right also, to create your own thread. ;)

As a man, my opinion may be biased, as surely the thread composer's is not, but without us, you would cease to exist.Women were created after men, you know. First and foremost, with the woman to the side. Like God intended.
<Owned>

Jesus said a man is supposed to love his wife as he loves himself . He didn't say anything about you owning us.

As a man, my opinion may be biased, as surely the thread composer's is not, but without us, you would cease to exist.Women were created after men, you know. First and foremost, with the woman to the side. Like God intended.
<Owned>

*sigh* read the article, fella...read the article. No manbashing here...tempting as it may be at times...

And there shall be buttsecks wherever we wish

gyar har har you can be the third in command, because you liek teh buttsecks so much

My rights as a man shall not be trampled over!


As Thomas Jefferson said, all men are created equal! And are endowned with certain, inalienable rights!

What rights have I trampled on Colodia?

Jesus said a man is supposed to love his wife as he loves himself . He didn't say anything about you owning us.
Are you saying that men who frequently masterbate need a wife that can.....oh dear

well, as I said before, I haven't read all the pages of this thread. But for the majority, I see women reaching out wanting to help the men, wanting to help the Y chromosome. Because without it none of us would be here, quite frankly. Ninja-- you're the yin to my yang. :fluffle:

gyar har har you can be the third in command, because you liek teh buttsecks so much
I call command of the flying airplanes!

Took a look at that article. Fascinating read, but a bit dense for my tiny little brain... so not much sank in. From what I could gather, it is a question of more than just saving the Y chromosome, but "why should we?" (Unless I'm way off, and this is very likely.)
I would say that, if we CAN fix the chromosome, we should. It would show that genetic science is truly progressing, if it can redeem something that is in such trouble. Aside from that, since evolution is so darn slow, we will have to take it into our own hands in order to survive the rapid pace of technological progress. We may need to improve ourselves, just to live LONG enough to fix the planet.
Well, that and survive in space. Does us no good to travel to other worlds, if we can't handle returning to a gravity well because our skeletons have turned into something resembling soft rubber.
Restoring a broken chromosome could be good practice, and we need all we can get if we are to improve humanity as a whole. (Say, for example, boosting the human immune system instead of creating stronger antibiotics/antivirals. All those seem to be doing is supplying enormous evolutionary pressure on germs. So we create ever stronger vaccines, until, we end up with treatments worse than the diseases.)

Ugh... I'll stop rambling now.

well, as I said before, I haven't read all the pages of this thread. But for the majority, I see women reaching out wanting to help the men, wanting to help the Y chromosome. Because without it none of us would be here, quite frankly. Ninja-- you're the yin to my yang. :fluffle:
we're here to jerk the chain of you girls. Lighten up, quit treating us like we're the Jews and your the Nazis. All's well and good for the next few thousands of years. Chances are that by then:
A. We'll all be dead
B. Our sperm would be like nanomachines
or
C. Women would be infertile. Ironic, eh?

Are you saying that men who frequently masterbate need a wife that can.....oh dear

Don't act like you can understand something as simple as that Colodia

Don't act like you can understand something as simple as that Colodia
*gets all modest*

Well...I HAVE been told that I can act quite well, in fact.


(btw, I'm no Christian. So Biblical stuff doesn't come to me)

we're here to jerk the chain of you girls. Lighten up, quit treating us like we're the Jews and your the Nazis. All's well and good for the next few thousands of years. Chances are that by then:
A. We'll all be dead
B. Our sperm would be like nanomachines
or
C. Women would be infertile. Ironic, eh?

I was in great spirits until you got me thinking about my infertility! :rolleyes:

Took a look at that article. Fascinating read, but a bit dense for my tiny little brain... so not much sank in. From what I could gather, it is a question of more than just saving the Y chromosome, but "why should we?" (Unless I'm way off, and this is very likely.)
I would say that, if we CAN fix the chromosome, we should. It would show that genetic science is truly progressing, if it can redeem something that is in such trouble. Aside from that, since evolution is so darn slow, we will have to take it into our own hands in order to survive the rapid pace of technological progress. We may need to improve ourselves, just to live LONG enough to fix the planet.
Well, that and survive in space. Does us no good to travel to other worlds, if we can't handle returning to a gravity well because our skeletons have turned into something resembling soft rubber.
Restoring a broken chromosome could be good practice, and we need all we can get if we are to improve humanity as a whole. (Say, for example, boosting the human immune system instead of creating stronger antibiotics/antivirals. All those seem to be doing is supplying enormous evolutionary pressure on germs. So we create ever stronger vaccines, until, we end up with treatments worse than the diseases.)

Ugh... I'll stop rambling now.


Interesting Ramblings

I don't think it's fair, courteous, or at all polite to crash a thread and make a point of being obnoxious and obstreporous, fellows. And I think the two or three people involved know exactly who I'm talking about.

This is the way to burn bridges and build grudges. I have half a mind to wait for that fateful day when you want to actually try engaging your fellow NSers in meaningful discourse. Oh and it will happen, boys. I'll make sure that I insist on remaining right smack dab in the middle of your conversation, making loud, obnoxious, unwanted comments with little or nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Seeing as I'm not doing that at the moment, and you are, why don't you just call it quits before I resolve TO do just that? I mean, seeing as no-one here is trampling on anyone's rights and all...

I'm going to sleep now. I know I'm just sucumbing to the obsoleteness of my Y chromosome by sleeping, and those who live by the XX do not need to sleep...but I must do this. For I am a man, and men sleep. Thus, we are inferior to the zombie-women!

Oh great...give ammunition to everyone who already (erroneously) believes that feminism equals man-hating. (rolling eyes) Thanks to this sort of garbage, I have to justify my feminism by qualifying it (no, I'm not a man-hating lesbian who wants to call man-holes womyn-holes). Arggh. :mad:

Here here to that!
If you are interested in the intersection of biology, how current scientific studies are influenced my cultural stereotypes and another version of the interplay between biology and feminism you should check out the book:

Sexing the Body by Anne Fausto-Sterling...

I don't agree with it necassarily, but it gives a different perspective on/arguement about the same intersection of topics.

I don't think it's fair, courteous, or at all polite to crash a thread and make a point of being obnoxious and obstreporous, fellows. And I think the two or three people involved know exactly who I'm talking about.

This is the way to burn bridges and build grudges. I have half a mind to wait for that fateful day when you want to actually try engaging your fellow NSers in meaningful discourse. Oh and it will happen, boys. I'll make sure that I insist on remaining right smack dab in the middle of your conversation, making loud, obnoxious, unwanted comments with little or nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Seeing as I'm not doing that at the moment, and you are, why don't you just call it quits before I resolve TO do just that? I mean, seeing as no-one here is trampling on anyone's rights and all...
Oh jeez, it's a couple of pages in 33 pages. Not like we're not on topic, right?

we're here to jerk the chain of you girls. Lighten up, quit treating us like we're the Jews and your the Nazis. All's well and good for the next few thousands of years. Chances are that by then:
A. We'll all be dead
B. Our sperm would be like nanomachines
or
C. Women would be infertile. Ironic, eh?

You tell us we're like nazis? And you want US to lighten up?

Stop this willfull disrespect, Colodia - you're pushing, and pushing - and you're stripping this thread of any fun, meaning, or interest in the process. This thread isn't about you, per se. Why don't you go start a thread about you instead of hijacking this one, honestly??

*gets all modest*

Well...I HAVE been told that I can act quite well, in fact.


(btw, I'm no Christian. So Biblical stuff doesn't come to me)

Well from what I read that you have posted, it seems you have a high
opinion of yourself. Now if you can also have a similiar opinion of your
wife, girlfriend, etc... then you've got it big guy!

Oh jeez, it's a couple of pages in 33 pages. Not like we're not on topic, right?

How can we stay on topic when we're constantly being pilloried by you and jayastan, and having sexist jokes made at our expense by winged hussars and your cronies?

You tell us we're like nazis?

K, ya that was pushing it. It's a long and uninteresting story of why I used that analogy. But whatever.

This thread isn't about you, per se.
Either that was meant to be a really sad insult, or you just made no sense right there.

dobbs chill...you can be the token prude in my new man order

yes colodia...you get to be in charge of alllll the airplanes...and the giant birds which us men will be able to fly on

K, ya that was pushing it. It's a long and uninteresting story of why I used that analogy. But whatever.


Either that was meant to be a really sad insult, or you just made no sense right there.

Yes, I'd wondered if you'd interpret that last one that way. Sadly, you did. I assumed better of you.

Well from what I read that you have posted, it seems you have a high
opinion of yourself. Now if you can also have a similiar opinion of your
wife, girlfriend, etc... then you've got it big guy!
I have low opinions of a lot of people for very good reasons. It's hard not to in an American High School.

Yes, I'd wondered if you'd interpret that last one that way. Sadly, you did. I assumed better of you.
I interperted it two ways


1. A terrible, terrible insult
2. Fancy words you used to fill up a paragraph that doesn't apply to me.

dobbs chill...you can be the token prude in my new man order

yes colodia...you get to be in charge of alllll the airplanes...and the giant birds which us men will be able to fly on


see what i mean colodia? you and your buddies are turning this into a three-ring circus. Thanks so much for all your helpful, meaningful dialogue.

I'm so honestly sorry, phaerime...

How can we stay on topic when we're constantly being pilloried by you and jayastan, and having sexist jokes made at our expense by winged hussars and your cronies?
No, I was acting alone for a couple of posts. With a first post like that, you REALLY THINK your going to get big ol happy results from everyone?


Welcome to the world, it's full of opinions.

I have low opinions of a lot of people for very good reasons. It's hard not to in an American High School.

Well you are located at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave so do something about that
problem.

I interperted it two ways


1. A terrible, terrible insult
2. Fancy words you used to fill up a paragraph that doesn't apply to me.

Get over yourself. I mean to say that while the thread asks the question, 'Do We Really Need Men?', it does not apply directly to you, dear sir, it does not mean to say sir, 'Do We Really Need Colodia?', sir.

Sheesh!

No, I was acting alone for a couple of posts. With a first post like that, you REALLY THINK your going to get big ol happy results from everyone?


Welcome to the world, it's full of opinions.

And others can disagree with yours, without "trampling" over your rights.
Whatever happened to the spiral of silence?
At any rate, didn't you say something about leaving and going to sleep?

Well you are located at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave so do something about that
problem.
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I won't dignify that with an reply besides this obvious indicator that that was a needless command to make.

No, I was acting alone for a couple of posts. With a first post like that, you REALLY THINK your going to get big ol happy results from everyone?


Welcome to the world, it's full of opinions.

Welcome to the grown-up world. Not only is it full of opinions, it's full of respect, politeness, and courtesy.