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Would it be good? Bad? Somewhere in-between? Share your thoughts.

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Bad. Very bad.

Would it be good? Bad? Somewhere in-between? Share your thoughts.

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If it were replaced by a less politically motivated organization it would be great, as it is I don't think there would be that much difference without it.

If there was no ACLU or organizations like it the US government would severely limit freedom of speech and try to impose religion on the population.

If it were replaced by a less politically motivated organization it would be great, as it is I don't think there would be that much difference without it.

Exactly. It should be replaced by an apolitical, unbiased organization.

as it is I don't think there would be that much difference without it.
Would neo-Nazis be able to march for their beliefs without it? They have their rights too, and might not without the ACLU.

Exactly. It should be replaced by an apolitical, unbiased organization.

Even without an organization there are a great deal of lawyers out there who are willing to do pro-bono cases in situations that the ACLU gets involved with.

The organization is helpful with the pooling of resources.

My dad doesn't like the ACLU, but I think my grandma does.

Do you know what Josh calls him? Grandma-Man.

Would neo-Nazis be able to march for their beliefs without it? They have their rights too, and might not without the ACLU.

It is odd that you would bring that up, because I made that same point to someone else not a week ago.

There was a neo nazi rally in Cleveland that was protected by the city at a cost of like $400,000. It goes to show that everyone gets protected.

I hope you didn't mean to say that I support neo-nazis. Personally, I think we should let them rally so more of them die when we bomb them.

There is nothing wrong with what the they stand for, I just don't trust the ACLU completely even though I am a member, they get large amounts of money from tobacco companies and play both sides of that issue.

Because the ACLU is a hotbed of anti-Christian intrigue and contempt of God, its destruction should be hastily arranged for.

I hope you didn't mean to say that I support neo-nazis. Personally, I think we should let them rally so more of them die when we bomb them.
Oh, I never meant to imply that anyone thought anything of neo-Nazis. I don't support them, but I fully support allowing them to non-violently express what they believe.

There is nothing wrong with what the they stand for, I just don't trust the ACLU completely even though I am a member, they get large amounts of money from tobacco companies and play both sides of that issue.
Well, even if it's not near perfect, I think it's a lot better with it than without. And in my opinion, it's far better to get money from tobacco industries than oil ones.

Because the ACLU is a hotbed of anti-Christian intrigue and contempt of God, its destruction should be hastily arranged for.

There are several instances of the ACLU defending the rights of christians.

Because the ACLU is a hotbed of anti-Christian intrigue and contempt of God, its destruction should be hastily arranged for.
Actually they are protecting the rights of theists by making sure government doesn't establish a religion that may not mesh with their beleifs.

Well, even if it's not near perfect, I think it's a lot better with it than without. And in my opinion, it's far better to get money from tobacco industries than oil ones.

I think the same pro bono activities would be performed by private lawyers. There wouldn't be the same pooling of resources, but there also wouldn't be the massive bureaucracy to maintain.

Because the ACLU is a hotbed of anti-Christian intrigue and contempt of God, its destruction should be hastily arranged for.

See, I wanna label you as a nazinoob, but you haven't mentioned "jews" yet...

Oh, and it would be very, very bad.

I'm sorry, but the ACLU is nothing more that a hippie gathering set out to provide "liberties" to gays and criminals. Those of us modest citizens who don't stir controversy in our everyday lives are basically ignored by them.
Those of you who see the ALCU as an unbiased group must be smoking pot, because if you aren't a homosexual or minority claiming discrimination, an illegal alien who was recently "roughed up" by boarder control, or a criminal who doesn't get an extra pillow at night, they couldn't care less about you.
I'm African American, and even I can acknowledge that most people who claim discrimination are over reacting. If a white man fires a black man, all the sudden a law suit arises and the ACLU comes parading in on their white horses. But hey, is it possible that the black guy who was fired actually just sucked at his job and had to be let go? Hmmm....
Bottom line, the ACLU pisses me off. :headbang:

See, I wanna label you as a nazinoob, but you haven't mentioned "jews" yet...

Oh, and it would be very, very bad.

Jews, Muslims, Hindus, and Buddhists are no greater and no worse than Christians. Only Satanists- i.e. the ACLU- are worse. They are vile demons.

There are several instances of the ACLU defending the rights of christians.


Certainly not the majority of the time. In anycase, having less people trying to get the Gov. telling other people how to live the better.

I'm sorry, but the ACLU is nothing more that a hippie gathering set out to provide "liberties" to gays and criminals. Those of us modest citizens who don't stir controversy in our everyday lives are basically ignored by them.
Those of you who see the ALCU as an unbiased group must be smoking pot, because if you aren't a homosexual or minority claiming discrimination, an illegal alien who was recently "roughed up" by boarder control, or a criminal who doesn't get an extra pillow at night, they couldn't care less about you.
I'm African American, and even I can acknowledge that most people who claim discrimination are over reacting. If a white man fires a black man, all the sudden a law suit arises and the ACLU comes parading in on their white horses. But hey, is it possible that the black guy who was fired actually just sucked at his job and had to be let go? Hmmm....
Bottom line, the ACLU pisses me off. :headbang:

Well said, my friend. I couldn't agree more! :)

I'm sorry, but the ACLU is nothing more that a hippie gathering set out to provide "liberties" to gays and criminals. Those of us modest citizens who don't stir controversy in our everyday lives are basically ignored by them.
Those of you who see the ALCU as an unbiased group must be smoking pot, because if you aren't a homosexual or minority claiming discrimination, an illegal alien who was recently "roughed up" by boarder control, or a criminal who doesn't get an extra pillow at night, they couldn't care less about you.
I'm African American, and even I can acknowledge that most people who claim discrimination are over reacting. If a white man fires a black man, all the sudden a law suit arises and the ACLU comes parading in on their white horses. But hey, is it possible that the black guy who was fired actually just sucked at his job and had to be let go? Hmmm....
Bottom line, the ACLU pisses me off. :headbang:
It really sucks when those who are different from you get the same rights, doesn't it.

Actually they are protecting the rights of theists by making sure government doesn't establish a religion that may not mesh with their beleifs.
Yep, without the ACLU suing to get historically-based crosses off county seals in California, they'd all be oppressed out there.

It really sucks when those who are different from you get the same rights, doesn't it.

No, it really sucks when those who are different get more rights. No group should be given special treatment. Hence, the ACLU has got to go.

Jews, Muslims, Hindus, and Buddhists are no greater and no worse than Christians. Only Satanists- i.e. the ACLU- are worse. They are vile demons.

Can you back that up? Or are you just being stupid?

Certainly not the majority of the time. In anycase, having less people trying to get the Gov. telling other people how to live the better.

I doesn't need to be the majority of the time. Christians aren't discriminated against the majority of the time.

I'm pretty sure that the ACLU is on your side on keeping the government from telling people how to live.

Yep, without the ACLU suing to get historically-based crosses off county seals in California, they'd all be oppressed out there.

You cannot pick and choose when the constitution applies.

NOTE: Option 3 of the poll was supposed to say, "Better in some ways, worse in others," rather than "Better in some ways, worse than others." Just a heads-up.

I doesn't need to be the majority of the time. Christians aren't discriminated against the majority of the time.

I'm pretty sure that the ACLU is on your side on keeping the government from telling people how to live.

You mean like letting me hire and fire whoever I want to for what ever reason I want to??? Okay, I don't actually own a business, but that is one reason I don't...

You cannot pick and choose when the constitution applies.
Yes you can. Even if the ACLU dosen't understand.

Like free speech and NAMBLA.

Exactly. It should be replaced by an apolitical, unbiased organization.
Yeah

Yes you can. Even if the ACLU dosen't understand.

Like free speech and NAMBLA.
So you see no difference between a group that talks about molesting kids, and actual child molestors? Unpopular speech is the kind most in need of protection.

You mean like letting me hire and fire whoever I want to for what ever reason I want to??? Okay, I don't actually own a business, but that is one reason I don't...

Do you not understand that they are protecting the worker from discrimination. Point where someone was not allowed to fire a negligent employee.

Yes you can. Even if the ACLU dosen't understand.

Like free speech and NAMBLA.

What is the point in having a bill of rights or constitution anyway if you want to render them ineffectual.

So you see no difference between a group that talks about molesting kids, and actual child molestors? Unpopular speech is the kind most in need of protection.
I would agree if it were something like the aforemented Neo-Nazis or some other group that produces unpopular writing. However, once the Neo-Nazis started to detail about how to abduct and gas Jews, the writing which does so should be outlawed. Writings like "Rape and Escape" fall under this category.

What is the point in having a bill of rights or constitution anyway if you want to render them ineffectual.
I don't want to render them ineffectual, but there's no need to follow them extremely strictly, either. The USA hasn't been for the past two hundred years or so.

Yes you can. Even if the ACLU dosen't understand.

Like free speech and NAMBLA.

Can I get a quote over here? You know, that one someone was dragging about from that one movie, The American President, or something like that?




So, freedom of speech is only allowed when you agree with it?

I don't want to render them ineffectual, but there's no need to follow them extremely strictly, either. The USA hasn't been for the past two hundred years or so.

The U.S. has also done some pretty horrible things in the past 200 years because they haven't followed the Constitution.

The U.S. has also done some pretty horrible things in the past 200 years because they haven't followed the Constitution.
Like what? Things like slavery were allowed under the Constitution, it had to be amended to change that fact.

So, freedom of speech is only allowed when you agree with it?
Depends on the situation. As I said in a previous post.

I'm sorry, but the ACLU is nothing more that a hippie gathering set out to provide "liberties" to gays
You don't think that gays deserve the liberties that the rest of us enjoy?

Certainly not the majority of the time.
Maybe that's because Christians are not particularly oppressed the majority of the time?

Yes you can. Even if the ACLU dosen't understand.

Like free speech and NAMBLA.
Yes, even NAMBLA have the right to free speech.

Do you not understand that they are protecting the worker from discrimination. Point where someone was not allowed to fire a negligent employee.


Yep. I can see a place for that in Government positions and positions in publicly held (having shareholders) businesses, but a private business owner should be able to hire and fire people who work for his/her private business,(his property, intellectual, physical and otherwise) for whatever reason he/she desires. Who is the ACLU or the Gov. to tell anyone what they can or can't do with their own property.

Maybe that's because Christians are not particularly oppressed the majority of the time?

True, just that advocating for the existance of the ACLU because it has defended "Christians" on occasion, seems somewhat unreasonable.

The ACLU defends personal liberties. I can only see social authoritarians wishing it gone.

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