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North Korea threatened war on Japan, should it impose sanctions upon it. And with over 2/3 of the Japanese population supporting the sanctions, they are possible. The US has "warned Japan to be cautious about imposing sanctions on North Korea because the unpredictable regime could "out-manoeuvre" such a move."

I have the suspicion that if NK actually does go to war the US will just turn it into a glass bowl and be done with it.

yeah, after tokyo gets a nuke dropped on it...

yeah, after tokyo gets a nuke dropped on it...
In any war he could hope to win against Japan that would almost have to be one of his first moves, and if he releases nukes first he will no longer have a country at all. Assuming that he's not burnt to fine ash by then.

Yeah, the nuking of Japan would result in a declaration of war on Korea, because the US has troops in Japan.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1512&ncid=2181&e=2&u=/afp/20041215/wl_afp/nkoreajapansanctions_041215120755

North Korea threatened war on Japan, should it impose sanctions upon it. And with over 2/3 of the Japanese population supporting the sanctions, they are possible. The US has "warned Japan to be cautious about imposing sanctions on North Korea because the unpredictable regime could "out-manoeuvre" such a move."

Wont happen

yeah, after tokyo gets a nuke dropped on it...


If they could even hit Tokyo with one. I don't think their technology is up to snuff quite yet. As in accuracy. Besides the Chinese won't allow a nuclear war so close to them. It would be total madness. The Chinese wouldn't like millions and millions of civilians to die from the fallout of an all out nuclear assault on N Korea.

I always figured that N. Korea would invade S. Korea and use the threat of nuclear weapons vs. Japan to keep the US from getting involved.

Yeah, the nuking of Japan would result in a declaration of war on Korea, because the US has troops in Japan.
That and the otaku over here would probably end up building giant robots to kick Kimmie's ass for attacking the country that is the source of their obsessions.

If they could even hit Tokyo with one. I don't think their technology is up to snuff quite yet.
LMFAO, within the past decade they launched a missile OVER japan, AND they have missiles able to hit OUR west coast

LMFAO, within the past decade they launched a missile OVER japan, AND they have missiles able to hit OUR west coast

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LMFAO, within the past decade they launched a missile OVER japan, AND they have missiles able to hit OUR west coast

Yes but that doesn't mean they are accurate. Don't fall for the N Korea paper dragon.

LMFAO, within the past decade they launched a missile OVER japan, AND they have missiles able to hit OUR west coast
No, they have missles that range to Alaska. They don't quite have the range for CA yet.

I too have heard reports of North Korean missiles being able to reach the US west coast. If they can reach there, then they also can reach Alaska, and hit our oil pipelines.

Yes but that doesn't mean they are accurate. Don't fall for the N Korea paper dragon.
How hard would it be to hit a target the size of a major city? I don't know much about ballistic missile technology, but I can't imagine that it would be too hard. The soviets could do it in the 60s, no?

I dont think he is questioning the distance of their nukes, he just is doubting the accuracy of them. If they tried to hit Tokyo they would probably end up hitting some little town on the outskirts.

No, they have missles that range to Alaska. They don't quite have the range for CA yet.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/dprk/missile.htm

Have a go at the range of their missiles.

How hard would it be to hit a target the size of a major city? I don't know much about ballistic missile technology, but I can't imagine that it would be too hard. The soviets could do it in the 60s, no?

Well, the societs had nukes in the 50s, NK has them now, so another 10 years to go before they can hit the city with enough accuracy ;-).

Well, I think, that NK will colapse soon.

Well, the societs had nukes in the 50s, NK has them now, so another 10 years to go before they can hit the city with enough accuracy ;-).

Well, I think, that NK will colapse soon.
Rand has an article on their website that says chinese cell phones are speeding the decline of NK by allowing NK citizens to communicate with Chinese citizens and hearing about how much better it is to live outside NK.

Let the commies and Japs fight it out. Neither Uncle Sam (USA) nor Old Man Lee (China) need to care.

If they could even hit Tokyo with one. I don't think their technology is up to snuff quite yet. As in accuracy. Besides the Chinese won't allow a nuclear war so close to them. It would be total madness. The Chinese wouldn't like millions and millions of civilians to die from the fallout of an all out nuclear assault on N Korea.
China wouldn't get the fallout. The prevailing Westerlys would drop it all on California! Too bad we can't somehow convince it all to drop on Hollywood! Hehehe!

Let the commies and Japs fight it out. Neither Uncle Sam (USA) nor Old Man Lee (China) need to care.
Japan has US military bases on it. It's a major trading partner. They are a strong ally of ours. One of the few countries in the "coalition of the willing". The US would have to intervene.

I think that if war breaks out we take out NK and give it to SK and make one big Korea...maybe. Afterall, it would make the north happy, because that was their whole reason for war in the 50's. But then you have too different types of governments in one nation, the commies, and democrocy.

How hard would it be to hit a target the size of a major city? I don't know much about ballistic missile technology, but I can't imagine that it would be too hard. The soviets could do it in the 60s, no?
They don't quite have true ICBMs.

How hard would it be to hit a target the size of a major city? I don't know much about ballistic missile technology, but I can't imagine that it would be too hard. The soviets could do it in the 60s, no?

It is very hard to hit targets with ballistic missiles. Satelite guidance systems help an awful lot.

The US Would intervene because its basically an Attack on America...We'll probally boot the Koreans out and invade them, china will intervene because again its a threat to their borders and they need the Buffer State.

BTW I do doubt that Korea has accuracy but even if it did the US Patriot Missiles would most likely take them out before they breach our borders

Wow, this has got to be the definition of the word *bluff*.

I think that if war breaks out we take out NK and give it to SK and make one big Korea...maybe. Afterall, it would make the north happy, because that was their whole reason for war in the 50's. But then you have too different types of governments in one nation, the commies, and democrocy.
It might not make the south too happy either. The wealthy south would have to pay to develop the poor north.

My biggest fear would be for a nuclear blast to awaken Godzilla and any number of his friends. Then we can truely kiss our asses goodbye.

It is very hard to hit targets with ballistic missiles. Satelite guidance systems help an awful lot.
Would it be possible to buy a civilian GPS device and fit it to the missile?

Well, the societs had nukes in the 50s, NK has them now, so another 10 years to go before they can hit the city with enough accuracy ;-).

Well, I think, that NK will colapse soon.

Actually that's hard to tell. GPS technology is far too easy to develop and upgrading that into their BMs is as much of a priority as arming them with nuclear warhead. The North Koreans already have the capabilities of hitting the Japs now ( http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/dprk/missile.htm ), it won't take long to upgrade the GPS and nukes. Southern Japan's fairly high in population and urban density, so accuracy is not so much of an issue.

There won't be war, since the NKs don't possess a good enough navy, nor are they economically capable. It'll be more likely that the NKs just take the sanctions like the pariah state that they are and withdraw back into the shell of isolation. After all, they are used to loneliness.

The NKs won't rise nuclear war since their arsenal can't match Uncle Sam's and the Chinese won't support them.

I think that if war breaks out we take out NK and give it to SK and make one big Korea...maybe. Afterall, it would make the north happy, because that was their whole reason for war in the 50's. But then you have too different types of governments in one nation, the commies, and democrocy.

Looks like the North is more likely to collapse than the South, so we'll see a united Korea in our lifetime, with Seoul as its capital.

China wouldn't get the fallout. The prevailing Westerlys would drop it all on California! Too bad we can't somehow convince it all to drop on Hollywood! Hehehe!

Hehehe! That would be hilarious! All those people dying and the innocent citizens in pain and agony...makes you giggle all over!

Would it be possible to buy a civilian GPS device and fit it to the missile?

Abso-freakin'-lutely! A New Zealand engineer built a homemade cruise missile in his backyard shed. The only guidance he had was a commercial GPS device. Pity he never test fired the thing. The over-PC, p*ssy NZ government just confiscated it (instead of developing it on a national level)

Hehehe! That would be hilarious! All those people dying and the innocent citizens in pain and agony...makes you giggle all over!

Well, that's the reality of nuclear war, son.

Hehehe! That would be hilarious! All those people dying and the innocent citizens in pain and agony...makes you giggle all over!
Oh, you're so very funny. Ha. Ha. It is to laugh. My body is wracked with hysterical laughter.

Would it be possible to buy a civilian GPS device and fit it to the missile?

Unless you know how to make a reliable gyroscope and be able to some how A-Team rig it to your GPS, it would be a difficult task indeed.

As for Jap retaliation, the most ultranationalistic race of Asia can always build a few cheap BMs within a week with its industrial and electronic might. Scuttle a few nuclear powerplants (they can always do without electricity), and use the radioactive fuel to arm their own BMs. When the nukes fly, we'll watch the ensuing MAD (mutually assured destruction).

Well, that's the reality of nuclear war, son.

I was talking about the fact that some people apparently find the deaths of millions to be a source of humour.

Unless you know how to make a reliable gyroscope and be able to some how A-Team rig it to your GPS, it would be a difficult task indeed.

Hell, if Old Man Lee can upgrade most of his missiles with that, I'm sure the NKs can also follow that example. NK military capabilities are poorly understood outside of Asia.

Abso-freakin'-lutely! A New Zealand engineer built a homemade cruise missile in his backyard shed. The only guidance he had was a commercial GPS device. Pity he never test fired the thing. The over-PC, p*ssy NZ government just confiscated it (instead of developing it on a national level)


An IBM is quite different then your average cruise missile. You have to have the know how of what to do so the missile doesn't fly off into space (as a gps doesn't really work too well when you are in an almost earth orbit.)

Let's face it, this is rocket surgery afterall.

Oh, you're so very funny. Ha. Ha. It is to laugh. My body is wracked with hysterical laughter.

Hey, bucko, you're the one that cracked the joke

That and the otaku over here would probably end up building giant robots to kick Kimmie's ass for attacking the country that is the source of their obsessions.

Rocketo-PUNCH!

An IBM is quite different then your average cruise missile. You have to have the know how of what to do so the missile doesn't fly off into space (as a gps doesn't really work too well when you are in an almost earth orbit.)

Let's face it, this is rocket surgery afterall.

The NKs wouldn't give a rat's ass. As long as it hits Southern Japan, the high population density means that effectiveness lies in attrition. They may not hit Tokyo but they've got the next best thing. If they're capable of building BMs, they NKs will make sure that not a missile is wasted into the sea.

If there's a Korean-Japanese War, we'll see the SKs helping the NKs. All Koreans have one thing in common, they seek revenge on the Japs!

Rocketo-PUNCH!

You folks are immature! Giant, bipodal robots? Kiss my Yellow ass! It's technology is still many decades from maturity and its cost will equal at least 10 MBTs. You goddamn Westerners have been watching too much Hentai!

You folks are immature! Giant, bipodal robots? Kiss my Yellow ass! It's technology is still many decades from maturity and its cost will equal at least 10 MBTs. You goddamn Westerners have been watching too much Hentai!

Don't make me sic a tentacle monster on you, bub.

Don't make me sic a tentacle monster on you, bub.

Yeah right, kid. Like someone seventeen years of age is going to fall for that?

From the current buildup, looks like neither the Japs nor the NKs are ready to kick each other's asses.

Like the Japanese sanctions will be of any serious effect. The starving NKs can shove yardsticks up their asses to help 'em stand up. The commies are too resilient against puny sanctions.

Ok, back to the subject.

BTW I do doubt that Korea has accuracy but even if it did the US Patriot Missiles would most likely take them out before they breach our borders
Actually, the Germans managed quite well in the 1940s, it's basic physics. And you don't need that much accuracy when you are talking about atomic weapons. Plus the Patriot doesn't have that kind of reach and even if they intercepted the incoming missile you would still have a lot of radioactive material falling over a very large area.

Actually, the Germans managed quite well in the 1940s, it's basic physics. And you don't need that much accuracy when you are talking about atomic weapons. Plus the Patriot doesn't have that kind of reach and even if they intercepted the incoming missile you would still have a lot of radioactive material falling over a very large area.

Finally, someone intelligent. The NKs can always detonate their warhead before actual impact for maximum results. That's something the V1/2s could not do.

Korean-Japanese War, in this time of the century, I think its another media-induced hype, just like the many Taiwan Strait Crisises in the last decade or so. The thing with the press is that, bad news sells, bloodshed sells. It's like Tom Clancy novels, but the event interpreted out off context by the media. But even I have to admit, a little international thrill is entertaining at times.

the current ruler of North Korea is just wacky enough to send a nuke Japan's way... in spite of Chinese pressure not too.

But would China care? Lots of reaons (tens of millions of deaths in World War 2 caused by Japan for starters) for China to not like Japan, plus hitting Tokyo with a nuke would do immense damage to the Japanese and world economy.

Which wouldn't hurt China nearly as much as it hurts the US

Of course, the use of nuclear weapons by North Korea guarantees a US nuclear response, but then the fallout also blows on Japan too

the bad news for China would be the destruction of North Korea by Japanese/South Korean and US forces, but that would be inevitable in any case unless China intervened, something that might not be worth it to them.

Unlike in 1950, there is no possibility of the Allied forces invading China after clearing North Korea of communist forces, so China wouldn't have to worry about that. The cost of such a war would hurt the US seriously, cripple Japan (if it got nuked) and the cost of rebuilding North Koreans will keep the South Koreans busy for at least a decade or more (look how much trouble West Germany is having digesting and rebuilding East Germany)

Thoughts?

Mi Pa says :COUGH! HACK! WHEEZE!: Stupid redneck accent. Anywho! The most likely thing the NKs have is something similar to the Thor IRBM of the mid-late 50s. But the thing is, if they as much as fire a single missile at either the United States or Japan... the Chinese Army will be all over them before the US even DETECTS the launch. A conventional war is also suicide because the SKs have superior equipment(last I heard... the NKs still use some T-34s). If we pulled out completely however, the real confrontation will emerge, Japan vs China. You see, without us there to make the Japanese feel safe the Japanese would start to build up their army, navy, and airforce... hell they might even build a few nukes to deter the NKs. The Chinese would use this as a excuse to continue to build up their weaponry. ANOTHER problem is that both sides see the Korean Peninsula as a typical invasion route to each other. We can tell this isnt going to get pretty.

that was really dumb and i was going to say something but thats really dumb

It looks like the end of anime is near. A shame, really.

It looks like the end of anime is near. A shame, really.
Kim's beef with Japan is nowhere near as big his beef with the US. His nukes could have already reached Japan if so desired, but he's been testing Pandong (I believe that's what they're called (?)) missiles to reach as far as Alaska

The DPRK issues threats of war constantly. Makes for amusing reading (http://www.kcna.co.jp/index-e.htm). I doubt Tokyo is concerned.

It looks like the end of anime is near. A shame, really.

Pity for the Forum's anarchist, no more Hentai before bed.

All this talk of war and NKs is reminding me of a movie I'm planning to see:

http://www.teamamericamovie.com/downloads/kim_wanted_small.jpg

All this talk of war and NKs is reminding me of a movie I'm planning to see:

http://www.teamamericamovie.com/downloads/kim_wanted_small.jpg

You couldn't PAY ME to go and see that movie. It looked sooo incredibly stupid. I had friends that went and wasted their money on it and they were mad they paid to watch it.

The SKs may have superior conventional technology (mostly bought or copied from the Americans), the NKs have far superior numbers (6 million men right across the border) and brainwashing. It is unlikely that the commies will use nukes on their capitalist kin nor their Japanese racial enemies, but it'll be more likely that they'll nuke the Japs first.

You couldn't PAY ME to go and see that movie. It looked sooo incredibly stupid. I had friends that went and wasted their money on it and they were mad they paid to watch it.

I may not be a Thunderbirds fan, but I'm sure as hell a South Park fan! The PC-ness in the media has to end some day.

Let's just end the NK talk here. If you want some good arguements on the NK side, try Dra-pol, our resident Kim Jong-Il wannabe!

Pity for the Forum's anarchist, no more Hentai before bed.

It certainly is. It will be a tragic day for all anime fans when the only source of anime is nuked off the face of the earth.

North Korea won't do anything without the approval of their bitch-master China. Sure they go against them sometimes, but they wouldn't go to war. The west wouldn't even have to get involved in this one. China would give NK the beatdown.

It certainly is. It will be a tragic day for all anime fans when the only source of anime is nuked off the face of the earth.

Anime is Japanese cultural invasion.

North Korea won't do anything without the approval of their bitch-master China. Sure they go against them sometimes, but they wouldn't go to war. The west wouldn't even have to get involved in this one. China would give NK the beatdown.

That's right! Old Man Lee still reins the leash of Kim the cur.

The problem isn't only that Japan would get smoked, it's also that Seoul would get smoked. The moment war breaks out at North Korea, that artillery in its southern part starts launching them shells. BOOM! US should have intervened when there was still a chance of pacifying the North without massive civilian casualties...

Q: What do you call a fat North Korean?

A: Kim Jong-Il.

Q: What do you call a fat North Korean?

A: Kim Jong-Il.

LOL!

The NK people are brainwashed by his regime. I saw a programm on the Discovery Times Channel about NK. He has brainwashed the people and made them hate the west and espicially George Bush. The asked a group of kids walking down the road who their enemy was and they said "Bush", and yes i quote that.

"North Korea won't do anything without the approval of their bitch-master China. Sure they go against them sometimes, but they wouldn't go to war. The west wouldn't even have to get involved in this one. China would give NK the beatdown. "

learn geopolitics. China HATES the NorKs. China has hundreds of thousands of troops on the border with North Korea becuase the HATE the NorK refugees.

To answer the question of what would happen is the crap hit the fan in Korea(ignoring a sino invonvement)

1: Seoul gets pounded into the stone age by the tens of thousands of long range artillary pieces North Korea has on the border.

2: The AGEIS destroyers in the region with the new anti missile software installed two if i remember correctly) and all patriot missile batteries in the region go on full alert.

3: The CVs(Aircraft Carriers) in the region (2 i believe) go to support offensive operations.

4: The US infantry division in south korea and the forces in Japan help the ROK army to prepare for defensive operaions.

5: All available American navel, air, and ground assets are sent to South Korea to assist a South Korean offensive (remember: the south koreans are many times stronger then the north)

6: By this time North Korea will either have launched their Nukes, We will have destroyed them, they will have malfunctioned, or there will be mutiny at the silos.

7: Once the offensive begins, expect North Korean resistance. After 2 weeks, expect the North Koreans to be demoralized and surrender en masse.

8: Expect there to be a coup in Pyongnang(spelling?) and surrender rapidly

9: Expect South Korea to rebuild North Korea (like West and East Germany, but more drastic)

10: Expect the US to keep troops in North Korea to help rebuild (or watch China)

I can't wait! I hope they nuke Washington!

Btw, Koizumi is a puppet of Bush's. So is Karzai and Allawi.

That sounds like a pretty good summary of what is probably expetected to happen.

I can't wait! I hope they nuke Washington!

Btw, Koizumi is a puppet of Bush's. So is Karzai and Allawi.

If America was nukes, people 2 generations from now will be saying "Daddy what was Korea?"

I can't wait! I hope they nuke Washington!

Btw, Koizumi is a puppet of Bush's. So is Karzai and Allawi.

In your dreams, kid. The day the NKs posess true ICBMs can only be reached by diverting more funds from their food budget into the defense budget. That means, more of their people will die of starvation and the chance of running out off scientists and men increases.

North Korea is a like some skinny runt, flexing his bones, pretending to be an Asian Arnold Schwarzennegger.

That sounds like a pretty good summary of what is probably expetected to happen.

It's how it will happen that matters. The NKs will not be easily defeated, so it won't be a walk in the park for the Americans like Iraq or Afghanistan. It would be more comparable to a final assault on WWII Japan because there were no nukes.

The Chinese and Americans can have a trade, Chine renounces being North Korea's godfather and America completely abolishes its support for Taiwan. It'll be two separate war with two winners.

If nukes even land near the U.S. North Korea will disappear.

If nukes even land near the U.S. North Korea will disappear.

No better way to put it.

I dont think he is questioning the distance of their nukes, he just is doubting the accuracy of them. If they tried to hit Tokyo they would probably end up hitting some little town on the outskirts.

Being "close" only counts in horshoes, with a nuclear weapon a few miles one way or the other won't make any difference unless you are after a "hardened" target.

"North Korea won't do anything without the approval of their bitch-master China. Sure they go against them sometimes, but they wouldn't go to war. The west wouldn't even have to get involved in this one. China would give NK the beatdown. "

learn geopolitics. China HATES the NorKs. China has hundreds of thousands of troops on the border with North Korea becuase the HATE the NorK refugees.

To answer the question of what would happen is the crap hit the fan in Korea(ignoring a sino invonvement)

1: Seoul gets pounded into the stone age by the tens of thousands of long range artillary pieces North Korea has on the border.

2: The AGEIS destroyers in the region with the new anti missile software installed two if i remember correctly) and all patriot missile batteries in the region go on full alert.

3: The CVs(Aircraft Carriers) in the region (2 i believe) go to support offensive operations.

4: The US infantry division in south korea and the forces in Japan help the ROK army to prepare for defensive operaions.

5: All available American navel, air, and ground assets are sent to South Korea to assist a South Korean offensive (remember: the south koreans are many times stronger then the north)

6: By this time North Korea will either have launched their Nukes, We will have destroyed them, they will have malfunctioned, or there will be mutiny at the silos.

7: Once the offensive begins, expect North Korean resistance. After 2 weeks, expect the North Koreans to be demoralized and surrender en masse.

8: Expect there to be a coup in Pyongnang(spelling?) and surrender rapidly

9: Expect South Korea to rebuild North Korea (like West and East Germany, but more drastic)

10: Expect the US to keep troops in North Korea to help rebuild (or watch China)

Excellent analysis. Very thoughtfull and very probable.

The DPRK issues threats of war constantly. Makes for amusing reading (http://www.kcna.co.jp/index-e.htm). I doubt Tokyo is concerned.

Yep. Bluster, bluster, bluster. (Resembling a lot of the PRCs bluster and propoganda that Sino seems to have swallowed hook, line, and sinker.)

Btw, Koizumi is a puppet of Bush's.

Half right. Koizumi is a puppet of the LDP, not Bush.


Actually, the Germans managed quite well in the 1940s, it's basic physics. And you don't need that much accuracy when you are talking about atomic weapons. Plus the Patriot doesn't have that kind of reach and even if they intercepted the incoming missile you would still have a lot of radioactive material falling over a very large area.


Finally, someone intelligent. The NKs can always detonate their warhead before actual impact for maximum results. That's something the V1/2s could not do.

Accuracy for nuclear weapons is only really important for taking out hardened point targets, such as silos. As a terror weapon, you don't need a high degree of accuracy. And nuclear warheads are generally designed for airbursts.

LMFAO, within the past decade they launched a missile OVER japan, AND they have missiles able to hit OUR west coast

Alaska, yes! West Coast not yet!

If America was nukes, people 2 generations from now will be saying "Daddy what was Korea?"

One nuke launched and the US will launch a couple of their own.

Yep. Bluster, bluster, bluster. (Resembling a lot of the PRCs bluster and propoganda that Sino seems to have swallowed hook, line, and sinker.)


Really? True nationalism is dangerous to CCP. Glad, I'm not being interrogated right now. My views never exactly coincide with the Chinese government. They are a bunch of diseased bandits still flying the communist banner while I am an ultranationalist with capitalistic views.

One nuke launched and the US will launch a couple of their own.

If they have the balls to. Kim wants his precious country to survive and the SKs still have a bond with their own blood.

Don't know if the Japs are ready for a Korean onslaught? They haven't tasted Korean flesh for more than six decades.

Here is something that your all forgetting!

The US and South Korea are still legally at War with North Korea! Any attack done by North Korea will result in immediate aprisals from the US and SK as well as any other ally nation that only has a cease-fire with North Korea!

Do we have any South Korean view points on this?

Here is something that your all forgetting!

The US and South Korea are still legally at War with North Korea! Any attack done by North Korea will result in immediate aprisals from the US and SK as well as any other ally nation that only has a cease-fire with North Korea!

To the U.S. its just another be-the-hero campaign. But both Koreas have a hatred of Japan. If there is a North Korea-Japanese War, wouldn't that stir up support in the South too?

It isn't the nukes that are the real threat -- it's the thousands of artillary pieces tucked away in tunnels in the mountain range just north of the DMZ, each with the capability to hit Seoul. If those bad boys are rolled out and cranked up, 100's of thousands of folks in Seoul could be dead in short order, even if no tactical nukes are used.

To the U.S. its just another be-the-hero campaign. But both Koreas have a hatred of Japan. If there is a North Korea-Japanese War, wouldn't that stir up support in the South too?

Your right, both of them do! However, I don't think South Korea will complain to much if Japan assists in taking out North Korea. They may not like eachother but when your fighting a common enemy, and Japan has issues to settle with North Korea, you put your hatreds aside till the mission is done.

Your right, both of them do! However, I don't think South Korea will complain to much if Japan assists in taking out North Korea. They may not like eachother but when your fighting a common enemy, and Japan has issues to settle with North Korea, you put your hatreds aside till the mission is done.

To the Americans Korea was another day at the office but to Koreans it was a civil war that is still fresh in their memories. Japanese military action outside off her borders would raise some issues with the Americans as the postwar constitution does not allow it.

To the Americans Korea was another day at the office but to Koreans it was a civil war that is still fresh in their memories. Japanese military action outside off her borders would raise some issues with the Americans as the postwar constitution does not allow it.

It was more than a day at the office to Americans my friend. Trust me. I have met korean vets and they didn't consider it just another day at the office. They considered it their duty to stop Commi north from taking capitalist south!

It isn't the nukes that are the real threat -- it's the thousands of artillary pieces tucked away in tunnels in the mountain range just north of the DMZ, each with the capability to hit Seoul. If those bad boys are rolled out and cranked up, 100's of thousands of folks in Seoul could be dead in short order, even if no tactical nukes are used.

You are correct.

I happen to know on good authority there won't be a war.

North Korea threatens war almost daily-- no one seriously pays attention to them any more.

Heck, even Zimbabwe could beat down NK.

I happen to know on good authority there won't be a war.

Oh? Have info you like to share with us?

Oh? Have info you like to share with us?

Yeah, I wanna know too.

Let me guess. Japan is breaking their balls...

Looks like the North is more likely to collapse than the South, so we'll see a united Korea in our lifetime, with Seoul as its capital.
Well, the South is moving it's capital to Pusan in the next few years.

I think that NK will have to develop alone. The South would never accept such an economic drain. It would be like an extreme East Germany, which, by comparison, was only marginally poorer than the west. North Korea is third-world, South Korea is first-world.

Your right, both of them do! However, I don't think South Korea will complain to much if Japan assists in taking out North Korea. They may not like eachother but when your fighting a common enemy, and Japan has issues to settle with North Korea, you put your hatreds aside till the mission is done.

I dunno about that. Japan and Korea don't have really good history with each other...

Well, the South is moving it's capital to Pusan in the next few years.



Where did you hear that at?

Well, the South is moving it's capital to Pusan in the next few years.

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Would that put it out of range of N. Korean artillery?

Yeah, Pusan is near the coast, closer to Japan. http://www.fitfortravel.scot.nhs.uk/Country/South_Korea_Malaria_Map.htm

Heck, even Zimbabwe could beat down NK.

Doubt that the darkies have the manpower to do so.

South Korea is first-world.

WTF? There's only one first-world country and that's the USA. South Korea may be much more advanced economically than the NOrth but still lag behind Japan. The only Asian countries that are second-world are Japan and Singapore.

The SKs moving their capital south may take it out off NK conventional artillery range but the NK blitzkrieg is still frightening. Adopting Pusan as the capital only delays its capture.

There'll be no such war. Like every other threat Kim Jong-Il has made, the purpose of this one was to get the attention of the global community in the hope of blackmailing them.

There'll be no such war. Like every other threat Kim Jong-Il has made, the purpose of this one was to get the attention of the global community in the hope of blackmailing them.

*Reminds you of the story about the Boy who cried wolf*
He is going to keep saying it until we totally ignore it, and then one time when he says he will do it he will do it.

WTF? There's only one first-world country and that's the USA. South Korea may be much more advanced economically than the NOrth but still lag behind Japan. The only Asian countries that are second-world are Japan and Singapore.

WOW! I think he means economically! There are a ton of countries that are economically first world, lets see here. France, Germany, Britian, Japan, Chinas close but not quite there YET. Anyway, about the NKs being a push over... I think your right, A majority of the NKs military equipment is along the NK side of the Demilitarised Zone. Considering the US would probably achieve Air Supremacy the FIRST DAY, all that equipment would be bombed to pieces by percision bombs. Artillery hidden in caves? No problem... a bunker buster will take care of that. If we are smart we will also hit their IRBM sites so their only option is to use MRBMs and SRBMs(both of which are interceptable by Patriots and AEGIS cruisers). As for the ground invasion... it will be a push over. If we play our cards right and blow away everything that has a gun from the air... most of their personnel will be dead and equipment destroyed. And remember, the best thing the NKs in armored veichles to throw at the SKs K-1s and USs M1A2s are T-62s!(the rest of their tanks are either T-54s or T-34s... I think they might have some IS-2s...).

yeah the us has been great lately with anything with the word precision in it :rolleyes:

yeah the us has been great lately with anything with the word precision in it :rolleyes:
We do hit what we're aiming at.

We do hit what we're aiming at.

Lol. thats the whole point of Percision ;)

Lol. thats the whole point of Percision ;)
Chess Squares sounded a bit sarcastic.

To the U.S. its just another be-the-hero campaign. But both Koreas have a hatred of Japan. If there is a North Korea-Japanese War, wouldn't that stir up support in the South too?

Back up. The Korean war was/is not a U.S. war. The United Nations went to war with the PRC. The war is not over, only a ceas fire is in place. If they try to invade the south, it will be the U.N. that will be at war with the north. :headbang:

North Korea threatens war almost daily-- no one seriously pays attention to them any more.

And maybe that is the way North Korea wants it. How many times has the world not taken something seriously and ended up in a war because of it?

Where did you hear that at?

Been in the news. They are moving their capital.

WTF? There's only one first-world country and that's the USA.

That is exactly the attitude that makes the rest of the world hate us. The USA is not the only first-world country. Wake up. :headbang:

The SKs moving their capital south may take it out off NK conventional artillery range but the NK blitzkrieg is still frightening. Adopting Pusan as the capital only delays its capture.

A North Korean Blitzkrieg? Do me a favor, look at a map of Asia at night, see how you can actually see the border between the two nations? Now go to the offical NK website (don't remember the url), they have pictures of that border. There is a rather large chain of defensive emplacements that are the equivilent of the Maginot Line from World War Two, the difference is that there is no real way for this wall to be flanked. Let alone the fact that the NKs don't have an Airforce to speak of, they wouldn't have anything to coordinate the ground attack with, which is the hallmark of the blitzkrieg.

*Reminds you of the story about the Boy who cried wolf*
He is going to keep saying it until we totally ignore it, and then one time when he says he will do it he will do it.

Why would he? It's clearly in his best interest to keep his nukes, but never use them.

I think Kim il Kook or whatever his name is , needs a reality check. Look at history...how many time have the japanese opened a can of whoop ass on the koreans...its been a long long time since the japanese have gotten to wage a good honest balls-out kamikazi ninja war on anyone...I bet they are itching for a fight underneath all that kawaii hentaii bukkake cultural disposition of theirs

North Korea hasn't got any proven weapons though. We are only assuming they have them.

North Korea hasn't got any proven weapons though. We are only assuming they have them.

That's a relief then. Now, if they end up really having one, and using it, we'll say that you were the one who f**ked up the intel.

Hmm. Would I rather be responsible for a stupid intel assessment that ends up killing some foreigners in a land that most of my constituents could care less about, or an alternatively stupid intel assessment that gets several million of my constituents killed.

Hmmm. Tough nut, that one.

The NKs wouldn't give a rat's ass. As long as it hits Southern Japan, the high population density means that effectiveness lies in attrition. They may not hit Tokyo but they've got the next best thing. If they're capable of building BMs, they NKs will make sure that not a missile is wasted into the sea.

If there's a Korean-Japanese War, we'll see the SKs helping the NKs. All Koreans have one thing in common, they seek revenge on the Japs!
Outlandish rhetoric aside, this is all dependent on the PRC being willing to compromise or sever it's ties to the west. I would expect that is not something they are willing to forego at this point in their development. It is, in essence, their problem. Some quiet influence has been or will be exerted by them.

It is in no one's interest to unleash modern nuclear devices which have the capacity to make Hiroshima and Nagasaki relatively harmless incidents.

Why would he? It's clearly in his best interest to keep his nukes, but never use them.

I wasnt talking about using his nukes. I was just saying how he thought they would never declare war, because they say they do it all the time, and they never do. How many times is he going to say it before he actually does it one time? He will keep saying it and wewill always brush it off, until one time, when he says it, and he actually does it.

We should call Team America...

We should call Team America...

Or not... ;)

Or not... ;)
Maybe you're really Alec Baldwin...

yeah, after tokyo gets a nuke dropped on it...
So .. wait a second, we're getting rid of Kim with nuclear retribution AND I won't have to endure more Japanese culture? Awesome.

Also: North Korea threatens war, the sun is up in the sky and the sky's blue all around. What else is new?

So .. wait a second, we're getting rid of Kim with nuclear retribution AND I won't have to endure more Japanese culture? Awesome.

Also: North Korea threatens war, the sun is up in the sky and the sky's blue all around. What else is new?

Yes, Clinton drew up the attack plans on North Korea in 1997, and Bush doesn't have to change a thing.

No more anime tho...

I hope Kim gives the World an excuse to paste his ass. At least China is moving in the right direction. But NK has got to go. After NK we smoke Cuba. Hit the Beard, man.

North Korea hasn't got any proven weapons though. We are only assuming they have them.
US and UN inspectors have been shown the part of the reactor where plutonium was stored. Several of the plutonium rods were missing. N. Korea has admitted that they were used to produce nuclear weapons. It's a very safe bet to assume they do have nukes.

US and UN inspectors have been shown the part of the reactor where plutonium was stored. Several of the plutonium rods were missing. N. Korea has admitted that they were used to produce nuclear weapons. It's a very safe bet to assume they do have nukes.
yeah between that and them saying they do have nukes and blowing a hole in a mountain side...

yeah between that and them saying they do have nukes and blowing a hole in a mountain side...

Well North Korea claims to have built several "devices". But they wouldn't show them off, so I suppose that to any country outside of the US and North Korea, those weapons simply do not exist. They admitted as much to inspectors. Now that they're on the next go-round of fuel rod processing, they said that they hope to have more.

I wouldn't put it past North Korea to actually have one or two. But, unless they are the gun-type design (i.e., if they are implosion), I can't honestly say that they would really work properly.

They may be limited by material and engineering availability to so few weapons that they cannot afford to test them. Kind of like lighting your last match to see if it still works.

All you need is one, though, and put it somewhere besides your own country. If they can get it to work, and land it anywhere on Japan, I'm sure that no matter how few the casualties, or how small the detonation, the political effect will be far, far greater than any we can possibly imagine.

If you thought that US reaction to 911 was unreasonable, just imagine a North Korean nuclear weapon detonating in the US. I think that the US reaction in that case would make the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq look like the sending of gifts, flowers, and the Peace Corps.

Just wanted to say come on its not like they have to hit the center of the bull’s-eye. Its a god damn Nuclear missile all you have to do is get it within or around 50 miles and let it detonate in the ocean it would create enough vaporization of water to generate a tidal wave at or around the height of a 14 story building that alone would kill thousands of people and create massive destruction all along the coast line. So if they are desperate enough and crazy enough to just say fuck it and launch, they could do serious damage. Let alone the fall out.

Just wanted to say come on its not like they have to hit the center of the bull’s-eye. Its a god damn Nuclear missile all you have to do is get it within or around 50 miles and let it detonate in the ocean it would create enough vaporization of water to generate a tidal wave at or around the height of a 14 story building that alone would kill thousands of people and create massive destruction all along the coast line. So if they are desperate enough and crazy enough to just say fuck it and launch, they could do serious damage. Let alone the fall out.

Given that it's very probably an "atomic" and not a "thermonuclear" weapon, it's likely to have the comparatively small yield of less than 20kt. That's not going to due much water damage, unless it lands right in a harbor. Yes, within a mile or so, that's bad news in the water. But at 50 miles, we'll be able to stand on the beach and watch it.

"God damn" doesn't happen to be one of the types of nuclear missile.

I just thought of something. We might could get like CIA operatives or something, and send them into NK to pin-point the location(s) of the bomb(s). Then we could call in our stealth bombers and bomb the locations and hope the nukes detonate, and then put it all on them saying they messed up or something causing the nuke to detonate. Or we could just get the CIA operatves to detonate them :)

I was working under the assumption it was a thermonuclear device and not atomic. My bad. But yes if they got an atomic into one of their harbors. LOOK out.

I say SICK Godzilla on their punck ASses.........

I just thought of something. We might could get like CIA operatives or something, and send them into NK to pin-point the location(s) of the bomb(s). Then we could call in our stealth bombers and bomb the locations and hope the nukes detonate, and then put it all on them saying they messed up or something causing the nuke to detonate. Or we could just get the CIA operatves to detonate them :)

Yeah, right. The CIA. They couldn't find their own asses with both hands.

Nukes usually don't detonate from being bombed. They have to be set off in a particular manner that doesn't do well while being disassembled by another explosion (or fire).

Hm..well maybe we could get operatives in there to launch them somewhere, either into the ocean or at the capital or something.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1512&ncid=2181&e=2&u=/afp/20041215/wl_afp/nkoreajapansanctions_041215120755

North Korea threatened war on Japan, should it impose sanctions upon it. And with over 2/3 of the Japanese population supporting the sanctions, they are possible. The US has "warned Japan to be cautious about imposing sanctions on North Korea because the unpredictable regime could "out-manoeuvre" such a move."

Curious how history doesn't really repeat itself but kind of rhymes or echoes.

Japan decided to go to war against the U.S. with the attack on Pearl Harbour as a result of threatened U.S. sanctions against Japan.

Still, that was then and we remain the good guys, and everyone else is the bad, eh?

A massive asian-pacific war would not be all one sided or anything. People greatly underestimate NK's abilities. They have about 11,000 arty pieces pointed at Seoul, menaing that in only a few days, Seoul would be turned into 1945 Berlin. And if the NK's pointed just a few hundred of those guns at US and SK troop positions, well, there goes a lot of US and SK abilities to defend themselves conventionally. NK has the largest amount of special forces troops in the world, which would sneak behind US and SK lines to reap havoc on supply lines and maybe even capture some towns. The NK navy has hundreds of midget subs and small warships, which could make hit and run attacks on US navy carriers in the region. NK's airforce is huge, with lots of old but very manouverable Mig21 fighters and a fair number of newer aircraft. (Mig 29's for example). NK has old, but decent tanks, which are grouped in huge numbers to easily overrun and outflank even the bes US or SK tanks.

Another thing with NK is that they have huge stockpiles of WMD's. Including bio and chemical weapon systems that could be delivered by advanced missile systems and arty shells. (image some of these gas sheels being fired at Seoul). In terms of morale, NK troops dont need it. They are trained to be like robots, meaning that no one could reason with them or force their surrender.

Sadly, the only way to stop NK militarily is with a huge nuclear strike to wipe out their major cities.

In conclusion, you wont see one of those wars were the allies are saved from any destruction and the enemy is quickly routed, but a huge war that could last for months or possibly years. Its quite frigtening dont you think?

The current US plan which dates from the mid-Clinton administration, and seems to have been confirmed by the permanent movement of US troops away from the NK border to positions much further back, as well as a reduction in US troop strength, is to immediately bomb North Korea with over 50 nuclear weapons (fighter delivered) as the FIRST response to a North Korean incursion into South Korea, or a North Korean missile strike on any friendly country.

Not exactly something that would result in a long war.

I don't see North Korea launching Nuclear weapons on anybody, regardless of their tactical advantage. They're ina shithole of a diplomatic situation and the launching of a Nuclear weapon would only ensue a considerable "ass-whooping" (pardon me). After all, we're not afraid of the guy with 20 nukes, we're afraid of the guy with one.

As for military issues, we can assume China and Russia would definetly aid the coalition against NK is a WMD was used. Russia's new Mig aircraft have been the newest trend as far as the current market is concerned. They're certainly bigger, better, stronger, and faster (and their work is never over). The Russian nation is also ahead of the game with newer, more effective infantry and armor armaments. China also has an adavantage in the air, with a airforce worthy of bragging rights.

So NK has an effective Navy eh? Well what about the America's definitive edge in Aircraft carriers and Naval interceptor aircraft? Mini-subs are grand, but they're defensless against these jetfighters. The same goes for their warships.

NK may have a more intelligence operatives, but the equipment and organisation against them is far more superior. This makes for more tactful plans against NK, and we will be one step ahead of them when they move to attack. If there were to be an artillery strike on Seoul, there would be massive preperations for it. SAtellite photography would quickly uncover this, and pre-emptive strikes of our own would occur. LRM's would tactlessly fall into place on North Korean soil, nipping this threat in the bud.

I do hope for a democratic solution, as I'm sure most do. Though I am confident that the threat would be dealt with and the coalition would emerge victorious, I believe it drasically change the political landscape of our currect era. disputes would occur with China, Russia, and the Middle East against the U.S. Another ideological war would spring up. A more volatile, unpredictable one than the Cold War between the Warsaw pact and NATO. One that may not end so peacefully as the other.

Blood will be spillt...

A massive asian-pacific war would not be all one sided or anything. People greatly underestimate NK's abilities. They have about 11,000 arty pieces pointed at Seoul, menaing that in only a few days, Seoul would be turned into 1945 Berlin. And if the NK's pointed just a few hundred of those guns at US and SK troop positions, well, there goes a lot of US and SK abilities to defend themselves conventionally. NK has the largest amount of special forces troops in the world, which would sneak behind US and SK lines to reap havoc on supply lines and maybe even capture some towns. The NK navy has hundreds of midget subs and small warships, which could make hit and run attacks on US navy carriers in the region. NK's airforce is huge, with lots of old but very manouverable Mig21 fighters and a fair number of newer aircraft. (Mig 29's for example). NK has old, but decent tanks, which are grouped in huge numbers to easily overrun and outflank even the bes US or SK tanks.

Another thing with NK is that they have huge stockpiles of WMD's. Including bio and chemical weapon systems that could be delivered by advanced missile systems and arty shells. (image some of these gas sheels being fired at Seoul). In terms of morale, NK troops dont need it. They are trained to be like robots, meaning that no one could reason with them or force their surrender.

Sadly, the only way to stop NK militarily is with a huge nuclear strike to wipe out their major cities.

In conclusion, you wont see one of those wars were the allies are saved from any destruction and the enemy is quickly routed, but a huge war that could last for months or possibly years. Its quite frigtening dont you think?


True.......Never underestimate your opponent.....For they could do the unexpected and suprise many......

E.G." Ali beat Foreman in the famous rumble in the jungle fight"

"Soviet union defeating a German Invasion in WW2 despite being outclassed in equipment......"

"Greece winning Euro 2004"

The list could be endless..............

So never underestimate someones chances.....

I don't see North Korea launching Nuclear weapons on anybody, regardless of their tactical advantage. They're ina shithole of a diplomatic situation and the launching of a Nuclear weapon would only ensue a considerable "ass-whooping" (pardon me). After all, we're not afraid of the guy with 20 nukes, we're afraid of the guy with one.

As for military issues, we can assume China and Russia would definetly aid the coalition against NK is a WMD was used. Russia's new Mig aircraft have been the newest trend as far as the current market is concerned. They're certainly bigger, better, stronger, and faster (and their work is never over). The Russian nation is also ahead of the game with newer, more effective infantry and armor armaments. China also has an adavantage in the air, with a airforce worthy of bragging rights.

So NK has an effective Navy eh? Well what about the America's definitive edge in Aircraft carriers and Naval interceptor aircraft? Mini-subs are grand, but they're defensless against these jetfighters. The same goes for their warships.

NK may have a more intelligence operatives, but the equipment and organisation against them is far more superior. This makes for more tactful plans against NK, and we will be one step ahead of them when they move to attack. If there were to be an artillery strike on Seoul, there would be massive preperations for it. SAtellite photography would quickly uncover this, and pre-emptive strikes of our own would occur. LRM's would tactlessly fall into place on North Korean soil, nipping this threat in the bud.

I do hope for a democratic solution, as I'm sure most do. Though I am confident that the threat would be dealt with and the coalition would emerge victorious, I believe it drasically change the political landscape of our currect era. disputes would occur with China, Russia, and the Middle East against the U.S. Another ideological war would spring up. A more volatile, unpredictable one than the Cold War between the Warsaw pact and NATO. One that may not end so peacefully as the other.

Blood will be spillt...

Well nobody knows as such....We can only suspect due to N.Korea self-isolation to the international scene......Although they have been preparing for years against a possible U.S attack.........

True.......Never underestimate your opponent.....For they could do the unexpected and suprise many......

E.G." Ali beat Foreman in the famous rumble in the jungle fight"

"Soviet union defeating a German Invasion in WW2 despite being outclassed in equipment......"

"Greece winning Euro 2004"

The list could be endless..............

So never underestimate someones chances.....
N. Korea beating the USA isn't like Ali's win over Frasier. It's more like a parapalegic kicking the crap out of Bruce Lee.

well just wonder but do you think australia or new zealand or the commonwealth would be interested in this too as if a nuke could reach alaska they might just be able to hit north australia even thought australia is a big player in the pacific

you never no what might happen

N. Korea beating the USA isn't like Ali's win over Frasier. It's more like a parapalegic kicking the crap out of Bruce Lee.

Frasier??????..Well that wasn't considered overwhelming odds compared to foreman correct me if i'm wrong....As Foreman was the hardest hitter ever known to man and it took correct tactics to win to defeat him...

E.G." Took them to a country where Ali had become used to the Climate
" Fed foreman the wrong tactics...."

And that you could apply to North Korea...They know their weapons,land,enemy to a charm and will fight like such..So don't be suprised if it does happen....it will be almost 100x worse then Vietnam...

Oh? Have info you like to share with us?
You mean besides the fact that I spent a year there?

You mean besides the fact that I spent a year there?

That still doesnt tell us much.

That still doesnt tell us much.
North Korea will never attack the South nor will they attack the US because they need the United States. The US is the reason that North Korea hasn't collapsed. Our govt. is keeping their govt. in power. If we pull completely from the area, China will invade North Korea, then South Korea then attack Japan.
The US will not support a Japanese declaration of war on North Korea. Because Japan's stated reasons are frivolous and you just don't go to war for frivolous reasons.
There is already 2 north south railroads that cross the the DMZ which is now being demined by both North and South Koreans. The US has pulled its forces back down south and is moving more troops out of South Korea because Bush recognizes the North won't attack. The advanced stuff we are sending there now, is not to warn North Korea, but to warn China that it better keep its hand off the Korean peninsula.
If China attacked North Korea, the US would retaliate militarily. This is the unofficial policy.

Technically S. Korea and the US are still at war with N. Korea


and If N. Korea were to do anything drastic, China would just as much slap them down right now as the US would.

Technically S. Korea and the US are still at war with N. Korea


and If N. Korea were to do anything drastic, China would just as much slap them down right now as the US would.
Actually not for long. South Korea and North Korea have already been holding talks on a permanent peace treaty with the aim toward reunification. North Korea has also asked Bush for a permanent peace treaty but Bush lost the opportunity cause he rejected the idea of permanent peace with North Korea just 2 months into his first term.

Actually not for long. South Korea and North Korea have already been holding talks on a permanent peace treaty with the aim toward reunification. North Korea has also asked Bush for a permanent peace treaty but Bush lost the opportunity cause he rejected the idea of permanent peace with North Korea just 2 months into his first term.

The first part of your statement is correct, as for the second portion of your statement, yes, it was rejected, but for good reason. The north has never ceased in it's ambitions to build many nuclear weapons. While negations continue with the IAEA on decommissioning two reactors used to produce enriched Uranium (which the north have since restarted), it has never even entertained any discussions on the one plant producing Plutonium. It is currently estimated that enough total fissionable material has been produced to build at least 20 bombs. Material is being produced at a rate to produce at minimum, 2 bombs per year. Combine this with missiles that are capable of hitting the west coast of the US (let alone all of PRC, Japan, South Korea and most of Russia) and we are talking about a serious military threat to more than just the local region. This is the reason that the President has refused to lower tensions with an adversary that has no intentions on standing down from the military domination over its neighbors.

The first part of your statement is correct, as for the second portion of your statement, yes, it was rejected, but for good reason. The north has never ceased in it's ambitions to build many nuclear weapons. While negations continue with the IAEA on decommissioning two reactors used to produce enriched Uranium (which the north have since restarted), it has never even entertained any discussions on the one plant producing Plutonium. It is currently estimated that enough total fissionable material has been produced to build at least 20 bombs. Material is being produced at a rate to produce at minimum, 2 bombs per year. Combine this with missiles that are capable of hitting the west coast of the US (let alone all of PRC, Japan, South Korea and most of Russia) and we are talking about a serious military threat to more than just the local region. This is the reason that the President has refused to lower tensions with an adversary that has no intentions on standing down from the military domination over its neighbors.


i heard the plutonium intel was about as good as the wmp intel on iraq, and that this whole crisis is a bush provocation inorder to attempt an economic and political squeeze play on nc to effect regime change.

The first part of your statement is correct, as for the second portion of your statement, yes, it was rejected, but for good reason. The north has never ceased in it's ambitions to build many nuclear weapons. While negations continue with the IAEA on decommissioning two reactors used to produce enriched Uranium (which the north have since restarted), it has never even entertained any discussions on the one plant producing Plutonium. It is currently estimated that enough total fissionable material has been produced to build at least 20 bombs. Material is being produced at a rate to produce at minimum, 2 bombs per year. Combine this with missiles that are capable of hitting the west coast of the US (let alone all of PRC, Japan, South Korea and most of Russia) and we are talking about a serious military threat to more than just the local region. This is the reason that the President has refused to lower tensions with an adversary that has no intentions on standing down from the military domination over its neighbors.
The Korean war was not fought over nuclear weapons.

I always figured that N. Korea would invade S. Korea and use the threat of nuclear weapons vs. Japan to keep the US from getting involved.

They could try. The South Korean military is very powerful considering its size and the US has military bases there. South Korea could easily have taken North Korea if it wasnt for China having a pact.

You mean besides the fact that I spent a year there?

In North or South Korea?

Just because you lived there for 1 year, doesn't make you an expert. Sorry. I have a feeling that the Korean Peninsula will blow up again and when it does, expect nukes to fly.

this is it. the end of the world. we're all fucked. 'cept the austrailians (who'd bother). i'm on the next emigration ship outta here

i heard the plutonium intel was about as good as the wmp intel on iraq, and that this whole crisis is a bush provocation inorder to attempt an economic and political squeeze play on nc to effect regime change.

Excellent! Someone familiar with the subject. The 2 bomb/year is referring only to that from the alleged Plutonium extraction facility (estimates vary for the other reactors, ranging between 2 to 6 bombs/year). One should ask one’s self though “If no such capability exists at the site, why not agree to an inspection?”

As for Whittier-'s comment: The Korean war was not fought over nuclear weapons., is this statement suppost to mean something? <very confused>