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Ummm ... they execute the mentally handicapped in the US, too. Get off the high horse.

Ummm ... they execute the mentally handicapped in the US, too. Get off the high horse.
Kudos for missing the point entirely.

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Kudos for missing the point entirely.

Having read your recent posts, your point was leading up to how much all Muslims suck and that every one of us probably side with what's going on over there.

I'm making sure it's countered with the fact that they execute mentally handicapped people in the US as well and will follow it up with how all Westerners agree with what the US does to show just how silly what you're attempting is.

Everyone already knows you think "Muslims are teh suck" ... find a new topic.

Kudos for missing the point entirely.

if i was you i wouldn't go there then :D im kidding but why always the fighting?

Ummm ... they execute the mentally handicapped in the US, too. Get off the high horse.


they do???? ack!

Having read your recent posts, your point was leading up to how much all Muslims suck and that every one of us probably side with what's going on over there.

I'm making sure it's countered with the fact that they execute mentally handicapped people in the US as well and will follow it up with how all Westerners agree with what the US does to show just how silly what you're attempting is.

Everyone already knows you think "Muslims are teh suck" ... find a new topic.
No, see if I had the motive of doing such the title of the thread would have been: Yet another reason why Muslims suck and muslim theocracies need to be destroyed. Instead the title was quite specific.

Instead the title was quite specific.
What, Why Iranian Mullahs need to die a painful death? Not in the least bit provocative.

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What, Why Iranian Mullahs need to die a painful death? Not in the least bit provocative.

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Now all we need to do is get you on a webcam and record you singing that. With any luck it'll be better than the Numa Numa Dance.

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theres no corruption in the american court system, no sir, not an ounce

and what does this have to do with the mullah?

why dont you just go ahead and say "blow all the muslims away in the name of the lord" like jimmy falwell and stop pretending you arnt racist eh?

Now all we need to do is get you on a webcam and record you singing that. With any luck it'll be better than the Numa Numa Dance.

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...DISCOVERED!

It is one thing to make some argument, however radical, by yourself, drawing on a range of references or one's own experience.

It is quite another to copy and paste some cheap BS from nutcase sites, and leave it at that, with no original or insightful comment.

High quantity of posts, low quality of posts, not even written by the individual posting them, complete absence of original material, a refusal to improve on this when asked over a period of god knows how many months, all these things will wear down one's patience.

This is not about sinister political conspiracies somehow magically agreed upon by a collective spanning pretty much the whole range from communist to fascist. No, this is one individual's refusal to accept any form of authority, irrespective of what form it takes. There are some people who will never accept the concept of authority, never accept the concept of guidelines, let alone rules. Tough s---. Like it or not, that's the system you have to work with.

Write something original, and keep it to a relatively small number of active threads. This is not an unreasonable demand - it is what I do.

Just for further reference...if you post a thread/link about something, tell your opinion on it, and at least give some sort of opinion on it, besides your thread title.

Just for further reference...if you post a thread/link about something, tell your opinion on it, and at least give some sort of opinion on it, besides your thread title.
Okay, fine. The Iranian mullahs need to die because they consistently hold up laws that allow them to put boys and girls to death for things like prostitution. If and when the revolution in Iran happens I hope that the US will back it completely. I would have little problem seeing the people responsible with thier heads on stakes.

Okay, fine. The Iranian mullahs need to die because they consistently hold up laws that allow them to put boys and girls to death for things like prostitution. If and when the revolution in Iran happens I hope that the US will back it completely. I would have little problem seeing the people responsible with thier heads on stakes.

Sweet :p .

I completely agree with you on the whole topic though.

The execution of a mentally retarded girl alone, is horrible. It only goes to show you that the leaders of Iran have no compassion, or understanding of what mentally retarded means.

One thing I don't understand is why girls can be executed as young as 9, but boys can't be executed til they are 15. Still, the fact of the matter is that Iran is still living in the olden days.

They may as well bring the guillotine out... ;)

Anyways, I don't think a revolution will happen anytime soon. If anything, a war with the US is more likely, but that's a whole 'nother topic.

Okay, fine. The Iranian mullahs need to die because they consistently hold up laws that allow them to put boys and girls to death for things like prostitution. If and when the revolution in Iran happens I hope that the US will back it completely. I would have little problem seeing the people responsible with thier heads on stakes.
their way of life doesnt conform to our own! kill them, kill them! grow the fuck up. yes, its wrong TO US. they arnt us, they do not have our value system, they have THEIR OWN SYSTEM. when this happens in a country with OUR value system, then you can bitch your head off. UNTIL THEN, and not a MOMENT before, put a sock in it

their way of life doesnt conform to our own! kill them, kill them! grow the fuck up. yes, its wrong TO US. they arnt us, they do not have our value system, they have THEIR OWN SYSTEM. when this happens in a country with OUR value system, then you can bitch your head off. UNTIL THEN, and not a MOMENT before, put a sock in it
And therein lies the difference between us. At heart, I am an idealist, while you are content to sit and watch as long as it doesn't happen to you.

Anyways, I don't think a revolution will happen anytime soon. If anything, a war with the US is more likely, but that's a whole 'nother topic.
Yes and no, there is a very large amount of dissent in the country and if Iraq stabilizes they may be emboldened enough to kick off a revolution. If they do end up kicking it off, I'm relatively sure the US would support them.

Having read your recent posts, your point was leading up to how much all Muslims suck and that every one of us probably side with what's going on over there.

Everyone already knows you think "Muslims are teh suck" ... find a new
topic.

This, from the person who labels other religions just as idiotically.

their way of life doesnt conform to our own! kill them, kill them! grow the fuck up. yes, its wrong TO US. they arnt us, they do not have our value system, they have THEIR OWN SYSTEM. when this happens in a country with OUR value system, then you can bitch your head off. UNTIL THEN, and not a MOMENT before, put a sock in it

There is a *huge* difference between "their way of life does not conform to our own" and "they perform executions on people with absolutely no concept of what they have done wrong."

And therein lies the difference between us. At heart, I am an idealist, while you are content to sit and watch as long as it doesn't happen to you.
no, im content to not go around fucking up other peoples ways of life because they arnt our own. you are not an idealist you are a fascist

There is a *huge* difference between "their way of life does not conform to our own" and "they perform executions on people with absolutely no concept of what they have done wrong."
oh ho ho, they TECHNCAILLY have a concept of what they have done wrong, an irrational one, and inthis case corrupt, but its there. like i said, THEIR VALUE SYSTEM and THEIR RULES are not OURS, which is what you are judging it on. wow, why does no one like america, oh thats right because we stick our nose in everyone elses business and tell them what they can and cant do based on what we want and like

oh ho ho, they TECHNCAILLY have a concept of what they have done wrong, an irrational one, and inthis case corrupt, but its there. like i said, THEIR VALUE SYSTEM and THEIR RULES are not OURS, which is what you are judging it on. wow, why does no one like america, oh thats right because we stick our nose in everyone elses business and tell them what they can and cant do based on what we want and like

Someone with a mental age of 8 who was forced into prostitution by her mother would have no concept of having done anything wrong.

Their rules are their rules - but executing someone who can't possibly know that anything was done wrong for breaking them is objectively evil. Such an execution is murder, plain and simple, and last time I checked, murder was illegal in Islam.

It would be like executing an infant because it's parents took naked pictures of it and sold them on the internet.

Someone with a mental age of 8 who was forced into prostitution by her mother would have no concept of having done anything wrong.

Their rules are their rules - but executing someone who can't possibly know that anything was done wrong for breaking them is objectively evil. Such an execution is murder, plain and simple, and last time I checked, murder was illegal in Islam.

It would be like executing an infant because it's parents took naked pictures of it and sold them on the internet.
listen, i dont care. i get what your saying, but what your saying doesnt matter. its irrational, no shit, but its not our society and we have no authority to go over there and be like "this is fucked up you cant do this any more" no matter how much we think we do. if you want to object to soemthing, object to bush's good buddy russia. putin is turning russia back into the USSR, now THEY are under our value system but of course no one objects to what putin is doing because bush said he is doing a "good job" (yeah a good job of silencing his detractors and making his opponents "disappear")

no, im content to not go around fucking up other peoples ways of life because they arnt our own. you are not an idealist you are a fascist

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
Edmund Burke

No one could make a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could do only a little.
Edmund Burke

We are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of Nature has placed in our power.. the battle, sir, is not to the strong alone it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave.
Patrick Henry

Labor to keep alive in your breast that little spark of celestial fire called conscience.
George Washington

All fascists, I assure you.

All fascists, I assure you.
no, i said YOU were a fascist. i already dont like you ill make sure to ignore you later when im not playing a game or i get tired of your self righteous babbling

and who is to judge what is good and evil? us perhaps? seems quite biased doesnt it. why dont we allow the iranians to judge who is good and who is evil? or putin? or some one else?


when doing the devil's work, it's easier to be accepted when calling yourself the "good guy"

and they have their OWN conscience, did you notice where it stated they have some one bringing the "judge" to court on corruption in his rulings? no, you ignore that point when going on your rant about us being better than them

you have to love the fact that, no matter the subject matter, if someone posts something bad about any other country, someone (usually several someones) feel obligated to rebut with some form of this line, "well america is evil too >:("

For one, two wrongs don't make a right (assumeing your acusations are correct)

and two, cite a source, you can't counter fact with rhetoric

you have to love the fact that, no matter the subject matter, if someone posts something bad about any other country, someone (usually several someones) feel obligated to rebut with some form of this line, "well america is evil too >:("

For one, two wrongs don't make a right (assumeing your acusations are correct)

and two, cite a source, you can't counter fact with rhetoric
need i quote how america is evil? click the button that says "General" read the topic, you will find any one with "abu gharaib" in it quite interesting

and they have their OWN conscience, did you notice where it stated they have some one bringing the "judge" to court on corruption in his rulings? no, you ignore that point when going on your rant about us being better than them
Actually it is one human rights lawyer and a bunch of websites positing his corruption. Of course, since the Iranian government has cut off internet access to the biggest outside blogging services we already know they suppress information.

need i quote how america is evil? click the button that says "General" read the topic, you will find any one with "abu gharaib" in it quite interesting
Does it happen in the States? If not your comparison holds as much water as the air in the Sahara desert.

Actually it is one human rights lawyer and a bunch of websites positing his corruption. Of course, since the Iranian government has cut off internet access to the biggest outside blogging services we already know they suppress information.
yeah teh us government has never suppressed information *Cough* coffin photos *cough*

Okay, fine. The Iranian mullahs need to die because they consistently hold up laws that allow them to put boys and girls to death for things like prostitution. If and when the revolution in Iran happens I hope that the US will back it completely. I would have little problem seeing the people responsible with thier heads on stakes.

Do you releize that prostitution in itself can be a death sentence for children. Not that I'm saying that I agree with what they are doing, in fact I don't beleive in the death penitaly at all, but it's 1)a completely different culture 2) you can very easily get aids or some other STD, not know it give it to hundreds of people before you die, 3) be killed by a violent client.

Do you know that we've destroyed the reproductive organs of mental handicapped in the US, along with racial minorities as well because we didn't want them to breed. No one's head is on a stake for that. We're blowing up teenages, toddlers, unborn babys in their mothers wombs with the "war" in Iraq right now. Just because we don't want to think about it doesn't mean we're not doing it. Dropping a bomb on that girls head is going to make her just as dead as if she was killed by her government. Heck it might even take her longer to die if the bomb gets her and she has to bleed to death, or get shot in the head by some scared solider.

Wouldn't you think instead of extracting reveange as everyone is so willing to do when we go to "save" a country we actaully do things that help the country prosper, NOT blow it up and make the conditions in the country worse. I realize we haven't gone to Iran yet, but we will and when we do it's going to get a whole lot worse.

Does it happen in the States? If not your comparison holds as much water as the air in the Sahara desert.
wow i bet you feel intelligent now? too bad you arn't


it doesnt matter if it happens in the states, it is being sanctioned and ORDERED by the untied states, thus caused by us no matter where it happens. and oh no abuse never happens in the states *cough* rodney king *cough* *cough* racial profiling *cough*

it doesnt matter if it happens in the states, it is being sanctioned and ORDERED by the untied states, thus caused by us no matter where it happens. and oh no abuse never happens in the states *cough* rodney king *cough* *cough* racial profiling *cough*
Really, so you have actual proof the orders are from on high and not on a relatively low level? Interesting. And bringing up King is a really really stupid thing to do. He was almost certainly on PCP and IMAO deserved most of what happened except for that last kick.

listen, i dont care. i get what your saying, but what your saying doesnt matter. its irrational, no shit, but its not our society and we have no authority to go over there and be like "this is fucked up you cant do this any more" no matter how much we think we do.

I'm sorry that you have such a lack of empathy that you don't care when someone is so obviously being wronged. I'm sure you would walk right by when a girl was getting raped too, as it would be "none of your business" and you would have no right to tell someone "this is fucked up you can't do this any more."

if you want to object to soemthing, object to bush's good buddy russia. putin is turning russia back into the USSR, now THEY are under our value system but of course no one objects to what putin is doing because bush said he is doing a "good job" (yeah a good job of silencing his detractors and making his opponents "disappear")

Did I ever say that I agree with Bush? I think not. And I *have* complained about such goings-on.

Really, so you have actual proof the orders are from on high and not on a relatively low level? Interesting. And bringing up King is a really really stupid thing to do. He was almost certainly on PCP and IMAO deserved most of what happened except for that last kick.
now your just making irrelevant excuses. it doesnt matter WHRE it comes from IF it still happens

I'm sorry that you have such a lack of empathy that you don't care when someone is so obviously being wronged. I'm sure you would walk right by when a girl was getting raped too, as it would be "none of your business" and you would have no right to tell someone "this is fucked up you can't do this any more."

listen you subintelligent little prawn, i said THEY HAVE THEIR OWN VALUE SYSTEM, yes htis is corrupt and peopel are bringing that uup ALREADY, IF you knew how to read, you would know that. other than that we have no business going in and telling them what teh ycan and cant do based on OUR law system and OUR value system isntead of their own. go blow your idiotic comment out your ear

Do you know that we've destroyed the reproductive organs of mental handicapped in the US, along with racial minorities as well because we didn't want them to breed.

Provide some backing for this please...if you want to spew forth rhtoric, give a source.

We're blowing up teenages, toddlers, unborn babys in their mothers wombs with the "war" in Iraq right now.

But when a mother wants to abort, it is a fetus? When does it change. When does it go from tissue to a baby? Is it when you want to support an ideal. There is no peace ever. You say people hate america becasue we stick our noses into everyones business....well, if we had actually done that, we woiuldn't have lost over 3000 people on september 11.

All fascists, I assure you.

Point out to me where they advocate placing peoples' heads on stakes, would you?

Provide some backing for this please...if you want to spew forth rhtoric, give a source.[/quote[]
the united states and many other countries repeatedly killed and sterilized the mentally handicapped prior to world war 2 and the discovery ofthe holocaust, never on the scale of hitler, but it still happened. do your research.



[quote]But when a mother wants to abort, it is a fetus? When does it change. When does it go from tissue to a baby? Is it when you want to support an ideal. There is no peace ever. You say people hate america becasue we stick our noses into everyones business....well, if we had actually done that, we woiuldn't have lost over 3000 people on september 11.
THAT DOESNT MAKE SENSE. if we stuck our nose in peoples business, 9/11 wouldnt have happened? what ludicrous kind of explanation do you have to justify that asinine statement? it can easily, even more so, be argued that it was CAUSED by our sticking our nose where it doesnt belong

What I don't understand is the fact that the prostitute gets the death penalty but the people who take advantage of the service she provides are just as guilty. Yet the men who used her did not confess and they got 95 lashes.
Shame it doesn't say what happened to the mother either.
The execution of mentaly ill people is clearly wrong in my eyes but my country doesn't use the death penalty. The execution of minors is equally wrong and thankfully only happens in a few countries.
My major problem with this story is that the people who committed the crime are not fairly dealt with in my opinion.

Quick paraphrase of Armed Bookworm's argument:

People who don't think they are doing anything wrong are executing people who don't think they are doing anything wrong, thus in order for us not to be doing anything wrong, we must execute these people.

Quick paraphrase of Armed Bookworm's argument:

People who don't think they are doing anything wrong are executing people who don't think they are doing anything wrong, thus in order for us not to be doing anything wrong, we must execute these people.
We did it in WW2.

show me where it is...if you present it...do your research....show me.....when someone does a debate, they typically give their sources and cite them, they don't tell the crowd to do so.....

I mean that if we had better intelligence we could have seen it coming, we could have prepared more...and anyone who says it is bush's fault is a moron....he hadn't even been prez for a year, alot falls on the clinton admin too, but noone will ever blame them because they are the clintons, and noone seems to think they can do anything wrong...

Point out to me where they advocate placing peoples' heads on stakes, would you?
Well, Georgie Boy had the Iriquois? in the New York area pretty much massacred during the Revolutionary War.

show me where it is...if you present it...do your research....show me.....when someone does a debate, they typically give their sources and cite them, they don't tell the crowd to do so.....

I mean that if we had better intelligence we could have seen it coming, we could have prepared more...and anyone who says it is bush's fault is a moron....he hadn't even been prez for a year, alot falls on the clinton admin too, but noone will ever blame them because they are the clintons, and noone seems to think they can do anything wrong...
and you are telling US to learn how to debate? stop using emotional, biased arguments and come back, then we will have a debate

At heart, I am an idealist, while you are content to sit and watch as long as it doesn't happen to you.
An idealist calling for a whole class of people to be tortured to death isnt what i learned an idealist should be. Maybe you can send me a copy of your dictionary. Why is it always that people call for extreme measures if they get enraged? Is it not enough to state that you see a disgusting disregard of human rights and point there?

We did it in WW2.

You also co-operated willingly with one of the worst mass-murderers in history to achieve that aim... maybe you should get Saddam Hussain to help you out in resolving this problem: after all there is a historical precedent.

listen you subintelligent little prawn,

Oooh, someone is resorting to insults. I guess I should be scaaarrrreeeedddddd. *shaking*.

i said THEY HAVE THEIR OWN VALUE SYSTEM,

And murder is against said value system.

yes htis is corrupt and peopel are bringing that uup ALREADY, IF you knew how to read, you would know that.

And this has what to do with the price of eggs in China?

other than that we have no business going in and telling them what teh ycan and cant do based on OUR law system and OUR value system isntead of their own.

Who said anything about "going in and telling them" anything?

And our law system and value system have nothing to do with anything. There are some things that are objectively evil. Murdering someone with no concept of what they have done when they were only doing it because they were forced into it is objectively evil.

go blow your idiotic comment out your ear

OOoooohhhhh!!!!! More insults!!!!!!!!!!!! WWWWWEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

You also co-operated willingly with one of the worst mass-murderers in history to achieve that aim... maybe you should get Saddam Hussain to help you out in resolving this problem: after all there is a historical precedent.
Okay, fine, next time we'll let western europe go to the dogs. Happy now? Actually we "sided" with him only after we were attacked by the Japanese who were allied to Hitler. I'm pretty sure we never trusted him and if people like Patton had had their way we probably wouldn't have allowed Stalin to hold eastern europe.

AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH the flame. It burns, it burns

An idealist calling for a whole class of people to be tortured to death isnt what i learned an idealist should be. Maybe you can send me a copy of your dictionary. Why is it always that people call for extreme measures if they get enraged? Is it not enough to state that you see a disgusting disregard of human rights and point there?
If by class of people you mean the mullahs currently ruling Iran and by torture you mean cut their heads off with a clean sharp blade and put them on stakes, then yes. Yes I do.

Okay, fine, next time we'll let western europe go to the dogs. Happy now? Actually we "sided" with him only after we were attacked by the Japanese who were allied to Hitler. I'm pretty sure we never trusted him and if people like Patton had had their way we probably wouldn't have allowed Stalin to hold eastern europe.

Lend lease act: March 1941
First deliveries to the USSR: October 1941
Pearl Harbour: December 1941

American neutrality prior to Pearl Harbour was in name alone.

Oooh, someone is resorting to insults. I guess I should be scaaarrrreeeedddddd. *shaking*.
Actually I think you should be honored, after all it's not often someone is compared to a prawn. :D

If by class of people you mean the mullahs currently ruling Iran and by torture you mean cut their heads off with a clean sharp blade and put them on stakes, then yes. Yes I do.

Beheading isnt painful, unless you use a saw or a rusty spoon, thus i guessed you meant something even more drastic. But you do not see the inherent irony of your post, right? Calling for inhuman and barbaric measures to be undertaken in order to punish inhuman and barbaric measures. In which way are you better then them now?
By the way, i referred to you taking in mullahs, even those not involved, yes. But let me guess, they are all evil subhuman beings to you, right?

But let me guess, they are all evil subhuman beings to you, right?

His response to me here - http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7713981&postcount=44 - indiciates that he does not believe them to be knowingly commiting evil.

Provide some backing for this please...if you want to spew forth rhtoric, give a source.



But when a mother wants to abort, it is a fetus? When does it change. When does it go from tissue to a baby? Is it when you want to support an ideal. There is no peace ever. You say people hate america becasue we stick our noses into everyones business....well, if we had actually done that, we woiuldn't have lost over 3000 people on september 11.

http://www.cfif.org/htdocs/freedomline/current/in_our_opinion/un_sterile_past.html
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/sterilize.html
http://college.hmco.com/history/readerscomp/women/html/wh_035500_sterilizatio.htm

Just a few, you want more pick up a book or google some more.

Do you have any idea how many people we've actually killed over the years overseas, exculding both WW's? Do you have any idea how many places we are, sticking our noises into everyday? Way before sepetember 11th we had our noises were it didn't belong, why before. The first war in Iraq was started because Kuwait was drilling into Iraq's oil and we were over there the entire time playing both sides of the fence to get what we wanted, we failed though then and now we've just managed to destroy a thriving culture. I just hope we have the decency to fund it but not do the work - let the Iraqi's build their economy by physically rebuilding their country thence their economy instead of contracting the reconstuction to companys in the us.

Beheading isnt painful, unless you use a saw or a rusty spoon, thus i guessed you meant something even more drastic. But you do not see the inherent irony of your post, right? Calling for inhuman and barbaric measures to be undertaken in order to punish inhuman and barbaric measures. In which way are you better then them now?
By the way, i referred to you taking in mullahs, even those not involved, yes. But let me guess, they are all evil subhuman beings to you, right?
If one is part of the mullahs currently ruling Iran than one is almost certainly involved. See, I like to keep things on a case specific basis. I have not said that all mullahs need to die, nor even all mullahs in Iran. Specifically those mullahs in Iran with power that support shit like that.

show me where it is...if you present it...do your research....show me.....when someone does a debate, they typically give their sources and cite them, they don't tell the crowd to do so.....

I mean that if we had better intelligence we could have seen it coming, we could have prepared more...and anyone who says it is bush's fault is a moron....he hadn't even been prez for a year, alot falls on the clinton admin too, but noone will ever blame them because they are the clintons, and noone seems to think they can do anything wrong...

This was in the workings before Bush, but he made them act soon and he knew about it. Clinton was sticking his noise in a lot of stuff while in office he wasn't breaking treaties and threathening countries right and left while beating on his chest like Bush was. Read some of the reports that have come out.

Do you have any idea how many people we've actually killed over the years overseas, exculding both WW's?


now we've just managed to destroy a thriving culture.


I just hope we have the decency to fund it but not do the work - let the Iraqi's build their economy by physically rebuilding their country thence their economy instead of contracting the reconstuction to companys in the us.
Far, far less than communist regimes.

... :rolleyes:

Actually the Democrats wanted to place what amounted to reparations upon Iraq but Bush basically told them to fuck off

If one is part of the mullahs currently ruling Iran than one is almost certainly involved.

That is like saying it is the full responsibility of each and every representative and senator whenver something goes wrong in US policy. And that is no less than utter bullshit.

See, I like to keep things on a case specific basis. I have not said that all mullahs need to die, nor even all mullahs in Iran. Specifically those mullahs in Iran with power that support shit like that.
Is it just me or is "Yet another reason why the Iranian mullah's need to die a painful death." not specific in any way? Where are the limiting factors? Are you really trying to lie that blatantly and get away with it?

Far, far less than communist regimes.

... :rolleyes:

Actually the Democrats wanted to place what amounted to reparations upon Iraq but Bush basically told them to fuck off

Yeah be wants his US contract buddies to actually get paid.

That is like saying it is the full responsibility of each and every representative and senator whenver something goes wrong in US policy. And that is no less than utter bullshit.


Is it just me or is "Yet another reason why the Iranian mullah's need to die a painful death." not specific in any way? Where are the limiting factors? Are you really trying to lie that blatantly and get away with it?
Yes, because there is soooooooooooooooo much dissent on the issue by the mullahs in power.

There are only so many characters tha can be placed in the title, and I'm just a little pissed over this issue.

theres no corruption in the american court system, no sir, not an ounce

and what does this have to do with the mullah?

why dont you just go ahead and say "blow all the muslims away in the name of the lord" like jimmy falwell and stop pretending you arnt racist eh?

I hope that you were being ironic about the corruption.

Well, basically, it has to do with him because the American's can't exactly point the accusing finger without being hypocritical!

Of course what he did was wrong. The women get death for being FORCED into prostitution - the men don't.

Yes, because there is soooooooooooooooo much dissent on the issue by the mullahs in power.

There are only so many characters tha can be placed in the title, and I'm just a little pissed over this issue.

Seems you are the expert on iranan internal policy i rest my case.
I, for one, are pissed at people who use their morales to ask for cruel and unusual punishment. I would really like to see those involved before a court and have them sentenced to life in prison, no parole, yes. But that puts me in the civilised "protection of society" corner and you in the barbaric revenge one.

I hope that you were being ironic about the corruption.

Well, basically, it has to do with him because the American's can't exactly point the accusing finger without being hypocritical!

Of course what he did was wrong. The women get death for being FORCED into prostitution - the men don't.
which wasnt supposed to happen because of some loopholes things she was doing, which is why some one is bringing the jduge up on charges, these people would know this if they bothered to read the whole article

which wasnt supposed to happen because of some loopholes things she was doing, which is why some one is bringing the jduge up on charges, these people would know this if they bothered to read the whole article
Shadi Sadr, a human rights lawyer representing Atefeh's family, has filed a suit of wrongful execution against the judiciary and is preparing a murder case against Mr Rezai after uncovering new evidence.

A single lawyer is bringing the case to court. If and when she is successful, let me know. Somehow I doubt anything's going to come of it.

which wasnt supposed to happen because of some loopholes things she was doing, which is why some one is bringing the jduge up on charges, these people would know this if they bothered to read the whole article

And maybe you didn't read the article? After all, it made it *quite* clear that one mentally ill girl has already been murdered on similar charges.

If and when the revolution in Iran happens I hope that the US will back it completely.

The current state of Iran and Iranian politics is because of a US backed revolution in Iran ... check yer history.

their way of life doesnt conform to our own! kill them, kill them! grow the fuck up. yes, its wrong TO US. they arnt us, they do not have our value system, they have THEIR OWN SYSTEM. when this happens in a country with OUR value system, then you can bitch your head off. UNTIL THEN, and not a MOMENT before, put a sock in it
Having read the article linked to, sounds like the already executed girl's family found it wrong, as did (it appears) her community and health professionals who had been involved in treating her...

No country has the right to invade another nation state simply because they disagree with their ideologies, however that does not mean that if people have concerns for their fellow human beings, that they must remain silent and inactive.

However if one actually wants to be productive (rather than inflamitory, and/or self discrediting) it's best not to call for wholesale (painful) execution of a group of people, since it can distract from any legitimate point being made, is not going to convert anyone, and may even make people who would have agreed with the message of your words, believe that you must be wrong about whatever you are saying, simply because what you are saying in sum total is abhorrent. Point to the actions/behaviour that you have concerns with BookWorm if you truely are commenting for reasons other than being inflamitory; emotive calls for murder are counterproductive to effectively communicating your point.

Having read the article linked to, sounds like the already executed girl's family found it wrong, as did (it appears) her community and health professionals who had been involved in treating her...

No country has the right to invade another nation state simply because they disagree with their ideologies, however that does not mean that if people have concerns for their fellow human beings, that they must remain silent and inactive.

However if one actually wants to be productive (rather than inflamitory, and/or self discrediting) it's best not to call for wholesale (painful) execution of a group of people, since it can distract from any legitimate point being made, is not going to convert anyone, and may even make people who would have agreed with the message of your words, believe that you must be wrong about whatever you are saying, simply because what you are saying in sum total is abhorrent. Point to the actions/behaviour that you have concerns with BookWorm if you truely are commenting for reasons other than being inflamitory; emotive calls for murder are counterproductive to effectively communicating your point.


your sarcasm radar is broken isnt it?

your sarcasm radar is broken isnt it?
Not that I am aware of, perhaps the fault lies somewhere other then the reception/interpretation side of things. :)

The current state of Iran and Iranian politics is because of a US backed revolution in Iran ... check yer history.
And I care why? Firstly the ROE were a hell of a lot different when the Soviets were still around, and secondly that doesn't mean that it's right to leave things the way they are. Hell, the precious UN should fucking be doing something about it.

And I care why? Firstly the ROE were a hell of a lot different when the Soviets were still around, and secondly that doesn't mean that it's right to leave things the way they are. Hell, the precious UN should fucking be doing something about it.

I agree ... someone should be. But they won't. They won't for the same reason nobody will come in and stop the US from its execution of mentally handicapped people. Iran, like the US, is a soveriegn nation.

Someone with a mental age of 8 who was forced into prostitution by her mother would have no concept of having done anything wrong.

Their rules are their rules - but executing someone who can't possibly know that anything was done wrong for breaking them is objectively evil. Such an execution is murder, plain and simple, and last time I checked, murder was illegal in Islam.


All execution is murder.

oh ho ho, they TECHNCAILLY have a concept of what they have done wrong, an irrational one, and inthis case corrupt, but its there. like i said, THEIR VALUE SYSTEM and THEIR RULES are not OURS, which is what you are judging it on. wow, why does no one like america, oh thats right because we stick our nose in everyone elses business and tell them what they can and cant do based on what we want and like

"So what if the nazis execute jews? It's their way of life and they have every right to do it, and it's none of our business!"

Without an ounce of irony, I am pretty sure that a huge fuckin' lot of Iranians would be grateful if "satanic amerikkka" meddled a bit in their business.

Be proud of your country for once, dude. I know I'm thankful.

"So what if the nazis execute jews? It's their way of life and they have every right to do it, and it's none of our business!"
no your not getting the point dumbass. that WASNT their way of life, hell THAT WASNT EVEN THE LAW, hitler convinced everyoen they hated jews so they killed them

Be proud of your country for once, dude. I know I'm thankful.
no, why not you ask? because the countryi s full of elitist idiots who think they are better than everyone else and should impose their belief systems on everyone else in the world. america is no better than islam itself. go eat a goat

"So what if the nazis execute jews? It's their way of life and they have every right to do it, and it's none of our business!"

Without an ounce of irony, I am pretty sure that a huge fuckin' lot of Iranians would be grateful if "satanic amerikkka" meddled a bit in their business.

Be proud of your country for once, dude. I know I'm thankful.

There is a big difference between taking out a leader and taking out a whole country. They distroyed the many good things that were happening in Iraq too. We could have taken out Saddam and his men a lot easier if we'd gone at it a different away. We choice to showboat and kill hundreds of lives.

no your not getting the point dumbass. that WASNT their way of life, hell THAT WASNT EVEN THE LAW, hitler convinced everyoen they hated jews so they killed them

And murdering mentally retarded girls for having the bad luck to be sold into prostitution isn't the normal way of life in Islamic countries. It's wrong by any standard, and I hope the people responsible are the first against the wall. Meanwhile, maybe you should go eat a sandwich and leave this to the people who understand that some things are wrong no matter who does them.

All execution is murder.

Depends on exactly how you define murder, I suppose. What I suppose I can say is that one case (the currently discussed one) is objectively wrong - as this girl has no concept whatsoever of the situation. The other - execution of those who knowingly and willingly committed an act for which the punishment is death - is up for debate.