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I was reading this afternoon (as is my wont) the updates on the Crime Library's website. Today's update is an article about the murder of Dutch film maker Theo Van Gogh.

While reading I stumbled across this:

Al-Tawahid demanded that inflammatory television programs that depict Muslims as terrorists should not be aired, otherwise the group warned it would commit terrorist attacks against the country, Radio Netherlands reported on November 8, 2004.

How can anyone whether they are Jewish, Muslim, Christian, Raelian etc. make such an absurd and idiotic statement. How can anyone think that it is not hypocritical to threaten TERRORISM if someone portrays you as a TERRORIST.

I'm generally inclined to ignore peoples of different religions, nationalties etc. killing each other............. but c'mon, to threaten to carry out terror attacks because someone is calling you a terrorist? Someone , please, in the Muslim world, has to have a brain, why aren't Muslims (if indeed they aren't terrorists) raising a stink about these idiots that proclaim to speak for them?

That's right my Muslim brothers , these jerkweeds are claiming to speak for YOU! It's especially interesting that while the Muslim community came out and condemned the murder of Mr. Van Gogh, that not one single Muslim, or Islamic group had anything to say about the claims of Al-Tawahid? You condemn the action, but not the message? What am I missing?

I was reading this afternnon (as is my wont) the updates on the Crime Library's website. Today's update is an article about the murder of Dutch film maker Theo Van Gogh.

While reading I stumbled across this:



How can anyone whether they are Jewish, Muslim, Christian, Raelian etc. make such an absurd and idiotic statement. How can anyone think that it is not hypocritical to threaten TERRORISM if someone portrays you as a TERRORIST.

I'm generally inclined to ignore peoples of different religions, nationalties etc. kiling each other............. but c'mon, to threaten to carry out terror attacks because someone is calling you a terrorist? Someone , please, in the Muslim world, has to have a brain, why aren't Muslims (if indeed they aren't terrorists) raising a stink about these idiots that proclaim to speak for them?

That's right my Muslim brothers , these jerkweeds are claiming to speak for YOU! It's especially interesting that while the Muslim community came out and condemned the murder of Mr. Van Gogh, that not one single Muslim, or Islamic group had anything to say about the claims of Al-Tawahid? You condemn the action, but not the message? What am I missing?

Well, I for one, am waiting for Keruvalia to say that the speaker was misinterpreted, or fully justified in threatening terrorism.

All this will probably do is wake the Dutch people up to the fact that they aren't safe from Muslim terrorists, even if they turn a blind eye to them. The Islamofascists have a view of "agree with us or we'll force you to agree with us (or kill you trying)". This is now not one group against another... it's one group against the world.

Why don't you ask the despots you installed on our thrones? Why not ask the fundamentalist organization like the "Muslim Brotherhood" that were created, funded, and sponsored by friends of America like Al-Sadat and the vicious murderous thieving Wahabbis of the Saudi Arabian royal family?

The murder of Van Gogh was an atrocity. Although the claims he made in his movie "Submission" were absurd (in that he used the unfortunate story of Ayaan Hirsi Ali as a framework for every single Muslim community on the planet), the pig who murdered him was one of the misguided youth following Al-Zarkawi, Osama bin Laden, and the other idiots who claim to be doing "the Lord's work"..

These insane morons, mostly Wahhabis, claim that what they are doing is a service to God. So you can put them in the same column as other friggin imbeciles who claimed to be doing the same thing after they rose to power / went to war. The list includes:

- Adolf Hitler
- Joseph Goebbels
- George W. Bush & Co.
- Osama & Co.

Its a PR thing, its one reason America is so screwed up :P

Its a PR thing, its one reason America is so screwed up :P

Are you clueless, Tandu?

Dutch film. Dutch filmmaker. Dutch Muslims make threats against Dutch filmmaker. One kills him. Outrage in the Netherlands.

How is that an American PR thing?

Why don't you ask the despots you installed on our thrones? Why not ask the fundamentalist organization like the "Muslim Brotherhood" that were created, funded, and sponsored by friends of America like Al-Sadat and the vicious murderous thieving Wahabbis of the Saudi Arabian royal family?

The murder of Van Gogh was an atrocity. Although the claims he made in his movie "Submission" were absurd (in that he used the unfortunate story of Ayaan Hirsi Ali as a framework for every single Muslim community on the planet), the pig who murdered him was one of the misguided youth following Al-Zarkawi, Osama bin Laden, and the other idiots who claim to be doing "the Lord's work"..

These insane morons, mostly Wahhabis, claim that what they are doing is a service to God. So you can put them in the same column as other friggin imbeciles who claimed to be doing the same thing after they rose to power / went to war. The list includes:

- Adolf Hitler
- Joseph Goebbels
- George W. Bush & Co.
- Osama & Co.


Amen to that, but the question remains, why isn't Islamic society at large saying that? Why isn't Islamic society distancing themselves from them?

When funny-talkers (foreigners) tell me Bush is an ignorant murdering swine, I tell them 'You may be right. But I'm not George Dubyah, I don't support him, I just happen to be american as well.'

But Muslims, in responding to terrorist attacks, do the same thing BUT always add the caveat ' We are what you made us, you made us terrorists so it's your fault.' THAT is an ignorant, hypocritical cop-out.

The standard Muslim reply is that "true" islam is peacefull. They will distance themselves from violent factions, but never work against them. They never even strongly condemn them. It's no wonder many people feel all of islam is to blame for terrorism. The moderate muslims have to quit whining and take some responsibility for their coreligionists. Turn the violent ones in to the police. Be vocal in their condemnation of violent muslims. If not, there really will be a war against Islam.

It's no wonder many people feel all of islam is to blame for terrorism. The moderate muslims have to quit whining and take some responsibility for their coreligionists.

<See my post :rolleyes: >

Turn the violent ones in to the police. Be vocal in their condemnation of violent muslims. If not, there really will be a war against Islam.

Oh, the war on Islam hasn't started yet?? believe me.. it has. And it will continue for a long, long time..

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When I talk about 'Muslims' in the following paragraph(s), I am referring to Arab Muslims, because they are the reason Islam and the Arab World are being portrayed as terrorists by the [western] world.

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Islam is not primitive. The Arab culture is primitive. Many cultural 'activities' and rites seeped through into Islamic systems/governments, which is awfully tragic. For example, arranged marriage. The full veil. The war amongst sects.

Islam never.. ever.. demanded that women wear full veils. In fact, it is forbidden in the daily prayers. A woman must always show her face and hands. Arab women assumed very business-centered roles in Islamic society. Among these roles is being a merchant. Merchant woman travelled throughout the Arabian Peninsula and, during wars, women who chose to fight or 'help in the war effort' came along with the men, which also meant travelling through the desert.

The desert is harsh and unforgiving. Women used to blanket their faces with their veils in order to protect themselves from the duststorms they encountered. Men used to do the same thing with a similar 'veil' they used to wear. Somehow, and this is very unfortunate, women around the Muslim world believe that the 'full veil' is what Islam insisted on wearing, when that concept defies logic: How can a woman drive when she covers her entire face? To solve this problem, the sensible </sarcasm> Saudis decided to ban driving when it came to women. Haha. Talk about a brilliant solution.. :rolleyes: Other countries, including Bahrain and the UAE, are desperately trying to fight bills being proposed by the fundamentalist blocks of Parliament to give women the right to drive wearing the full veil. If the bill passes, any 10-year old f*ck can wear a full veil and drive a car illegally. He can't be questioned by a police officer or asked to remove the veil, because that would 'shame the woman'. See how stupid this is? If the bill does pass, I will search for a new place to live. I'll try to build a villa on the moon or something.

Anyway, moving on..

The Muslim people want reform. They realize that they are weak, broken, and desperate. They realize that they live in a consumerist society and that if this lifestyle continues for another decade, the 'odd man out' will become the 'dead man' (i.e. the Middle East won't survive that long if this system continues).

But you must take into account the fact that they are being subdued by oppressive systems that use all means at their disposal to rout the intellectuals from the crowd and destroy opposition. And since the dictatorships may support unbelieveably strict (and unbelieveably backward) sects of Islam like Wahabbism (KSA), if these individuals talk, they die. So they don't speak. They shut up and try to feel content with their miserable lives. Wouldn't you?

I'll give you the argument from the extremist Muslim point of view:

The West provoked fundamentalist into committing terrorist activities. The West portrays Islam as a primitive way of life that is 'holding back human progress'. The West invades our lands, rapes our people, pillages our resources, and reaks havoc on our soil. We hate the West. The West must be stopped. We will stop the West. We will fight back! For the sake of our freedom and dignity! *Suicide Bomb*

How the hell can you claim that the "you made us terrorists so it's your fault" argument is ignorant? It is partly true.

I'm not saying it is justifiable for Muslims to blame the West, then go on committing terror and destroying World Trade Centers and Embassies. The Muslim world needs to wake up and face reality. The Muslim world needs unity and an end to the dictatorships. This change can only come from within. If democracy is established BY the people FOR the people, then the democratic system will strive to eliminate terrorist factions because doing so will serve national interests.

But, YOU have to wake up as well.. You have to realize that this is all a puppet show managed by Washington. Washington want Islamic ignorance and the rule of dictatorships (unless the dictatorships go against them (Saddam), then you guys FIGHT FOR DEMOCRACY and your ideals).. So yeah.. if the Islamic world calls on America to help it establish a democracy, America rings up the Arab leaders and tells them to shut their subjects up. And then you go on complaining about the Islamic system of government. What the hell??..

This is all politics, not religion. Religion has nothing to do with the crisis Islam is going through..

<See my post :rolleyes: >



Oh, the war on Islam hasn't started yet?? believe me.. it has. And it will continue for a long, long time..

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When I talk about 'Muslims' in the following paragraph(s), I am referring to Arab Muslims, because they are the reason Islam and the Arab World are being portrayed as terrorists by the [western] world.

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This is all politics, not religion. Religion has nothing to do with the crisis Islam is going through..
It's not about religion? It's about backwards Arab politics? What about the problems caused by Jamai Islamia in Indonesia? The problems caused by Abu Sayyaf in the Phillipines? These are not arab nations. Nor are they dictatorships.

I'm sorry, but it's never right to blame other for your actions.

History has seen many brutal and backwards dictators, and history has seen, time and again dictators crushed by the people. Making the west a target for the actions of brutal dictators is even more ignorant. If these people are oppressed by dictators in their own nations, why don't they attack them?

In Saudi Arabia the extemists that oppose the royal family ATTACK FOREIGNERS! Guess what, no matter how many journalists from the BBC they kill, the royal family STILL isn't going to care.

The US isn't behind any vast conspiracy against Islam. American politicians aren't that smart, the only reason the US is stepping things up because extremists made us targets.

Before 9/11 I was staunchly in the camp that opposed Israel and the 3 billion dollars in direct aid that go to Israel. I was in the camp of Americans that was horrified by the Israeli occupation of Palestinian land. I was in the league of Americans that scoffed at Israeli claims that Islamic fundamentalists didn't just want Israel dead, but democracy and the west as well. Well, I hate to single you out Greenmanbry, but to say that Islamic extremists commit terrorist atrocities because American puppet masters have forced them too is total bullshit. Muslims need to realize that their silence in not condemning their terrorist brothers are causing people like me, to change our minds.

It wouldn't be right to say that killing Muslims is justified because a certain number of them commit terrorists acts and it totally absurd to justify terrorism because a few western nations support ideals and a side that Muslims don't agree with.

"The Jews , Muslims and Christians have it all wrong. There are only TWO type of people in the world. Those with religion and no brains, and those with brains and no religion."