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Proof that Democrats are immoral racists

The Dark Dimension
14-12-2004, 20:45
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Eastland

I don't really think I need to explain more than this, do I?
Sdaeriji
14-12-2004, 20:49
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strom_Thurmond

My proof that all Republicans are immoral racists. Now that we've got past the exceedingly immature argument that any one person can define an entire ethos, do you have anything intelligent to say?
Indiru
14-12-2004, 20:50
Yup, that's a GREAT reason to classify all democrats as racist because one democrat hick from FREAKING MISSISSIPPI was.

Uh oh! I guess that makes me racist!
Gnomish Republics
14-12-2004, 20:51
It's not proof that Democrats are immoral racists. It's proof that James Eastland, former Democrat from Mississippi was an immoral racist. Probably got elected for it too, since he was for the most voiced Southern opinion on the issue.
Betelguese 7
14-12-2004, 20:52
This proves nothing. It's like saying that all Muslims are terrorists because of the 9/11 attacks -- it's simply not true. One person's interpretations do nothing to prove something for an entire group of people.
Roach-Busters
14-12-2004, 20:53
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strom_Thurmond

DAMN!!!! That is one ugly guy! :eek:

(Although Eastland ain't a looker, either...)
Ashmoria
14-12-2004, 20:56
i know youre just trolling but anyone wondering just HOW this guy got to be a democrat might want to read up on the history of southern democrats starting after the civil war.
The Dark Dimension
14-12-2004, 20:59
Most Dems aren't racist. I just wanted to prove that Democrats' record isn't as clean as liberal-left fascists would have you believe.
Gnomish Republics
14-12-2004, 21:01
Ditto GOP, as you can see by clicking on Sdaeriji's link. So your point proves nothing.
Vittos Ordination
14-12-2004, 21:02
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Eastland

I don't really think I need to explain more than this, do I?

Proof that The Dark Dimension is not very smart.
Chess Squares
14-12-2004, 21:02
Most Dems aren't racist. I just wanted to prove that Democrats' record isn't as clean as liberal-left fascists would have you believe.
go troll on another board really
take yourself and all the other pat-yourself-on-the-back republican jackasses to aanother pro dumbass board and bugger off
The Dark Dimension
14-12-2004, 21:04
go troll on another board really
take yourself and all the other pat-yourself-on-the-back republican jackasses to aanother pro dumbass board and bugger off

This thread was only in response to someone- can't remember who- who said, "There never was a racist Democrat."
Incenjucarania
14-12-2004, 21:04
Does this mean that all Catholics are the Pope, and all Christians are Peter?
Chess Squares
14-12-2004, 21:06
Does this mean that all Catholics are the Pope, and all Christians are Peter?
only in the oompa loompa there's world
Betelguese 7
14-12-2004, 21:06
This thread was only in response to someone- can't remember who- who said, "There never was a racist Democrat."

That should have been specified -- you should have at least made it clear that your point was to prove that there had been some racist Dems. You're using the same type of generalization that person was using in your title -- though that might've been just to get people's attention, I don't know.
Vittos Ordination
14-12-2004, 21:06
I would like to point out that he was a southern democrat, and southern democrats rapidly turned republican after LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act.

Not saying that democrats are better than republicans, though. Both parties are morally defunct organizations that are bent on furthering their careers at the expense of our country.
Anti-Margarine
14-12-2004, 21:07
Oh brother, someone has been reading Ann Coulter and now he feels intellectually empowered.
Chicken pi
14-12-2004, 21:08
This thread was only in response to someone- can't remember who- who said, "There never was a racist Democrat."

Why did you start a new thread for it? Couldn't you have just posted this on the same thread in response to what they said?
Vittos Ordination
14-12-2004, 21:08
Most Dems aren't racist. I just wanted to prove that Democrats' record isn't as clean as liberal-left fascists would have you believe.

I am glad to see that the example you found died over 20 years ago. Go Democrats
Kwangistar
14-12-2004, 21:10
I would like to point out that he was a southern democrat, and southern democrats rapidly turned republican after LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act.

Not saying that democrats are better than republicans, though. Both parties are morally defunct organizations that are bent on furthering their careers at the expense of our country.
That is true and untrue. Many Democrats started voting Republican, but that dosen't mean they changed their party. Look at Fritz Hollings, Zell Miller, or Al Gore Sr. Even the rank-and-file hasn't changed in some places, like in Florida, where you had people pointing to the "evidence" of electoral fraud because overwhelmingly democratic-heavy counties in the panhandle voted for Bush.
The Infinite Crucible
14-12-2004, 21:12
This thread was only in response to someone- can't remember who- who said, "There never was a racist Democrat."

Ok so you take one person who said "there nevere was a racist democrat" and think that they represent all democrats...
And then to prove the point you find some looser hick southern mississippi democrat and declare with your infinite knowledge that democrats are immoral racists.

I have a suggestion, dont let this person breed and spread their idiotic genes.
My Gun Not Yours
14-12-2004, 21:12
I'm still waiting for a Democrat to explain why only Democrats vote for gun buy-back programs for black inner city neighborhoods.

You know, the programs where poor blacks are encouraged to turn in a gun (working or not, legal or not) for 50 to 100 dollars.

Never in US history has one been run in an affluent white suburb.

Wonder why? Could it be that Democrats don't trust poor blacks with guns?

You won't find Republicans voting for that.
Indiru
14-12-2004, 21:13
Oh brother, someone has been reading Ann Coulter and now he feels intellectually empowered.

There's something wrong with her.

Read Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them by Al Franken.
Vittos Ordination
14-12-2004, 21:13
That is true and untrue. Many Democrats started voting Republican, but that dosen't mean they changed their party. Look at Fritz Hollings, Zell Miller, or Al Gore Sr. Even the rank-and-file hasn't changed in some places, like in Florida, where you had people pointing to the "evidence" of electoral fraud because overwhelmingly democratic-heavy counties in the panhandle voted for Bush.

Yeah, that is true, but that is an example of why my second point was true.
The Infinite Crucible
14-12-2004, 21:16
I'm still waiting for a Democrat to explain why only Democrats vote for gun buy-back programs for black inner city neighborhoods.

You know, the programs where poor blacks are encouraged to turn in a gun (working or not, legal or not) for 50 to 100 dollars.

Never in US history has one been run in an affluent white suburb.

Wonder why? Could it be that Democrats don't trust poor blacks with guns?

You won't find Republicans voting for that.

Now a few things. I have never heared of this program, but that does not mean it does not exist. Post a link please if you want to prove something.

Second- Dont change the topic

Third- Or could it be that an African American may find a gun and wish to make some money and turn it in, giving very poor areas and people a chance to make more money?
Chess Squares
14-12-2004, 21:19
Oh brother, someone has been reading Ann Coulter and now he feels intellectually empowered.
ask him a question that requires a researched factual answer, that should burst his bubble
Chess Squares
14-12-2004, 21:22
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rush_Limbaugh

All conservatives are fat, stupid, immorale, serial marrying, racist, pompous assholes.
you forgot hypocritical drug addicts
Incenjucarania
14-12-2004, 21:22
I'm still waiting for a Democrat to explain why only Democrats vote for gun buy-back programs for black inner city neighborhoods.

You know, the programs where poor blacks are encouraged to turn in a gun (working or not, legal or not) for 50 to 100 dollars.

Never in US history has one been run in an affluent white suburb.

Wonder why? Could it be that Democrats don't trust poor blacks with guns?

You won't find Republicans voting for that.

1) Because non-affluent neighborhoods have a higher number of ILLEGAL firearms. And white trailor parks are more likely to shoot you for offering.

2) Do you honestly think that everyone votes on party lines?

3) Are you suggesting that pawn shops that would willingly purchase firearms should be banned? It's just a chance of selling your firearm for a half-decent price so you can get some food or something.

4) It's mostly a PR thing anyways.
Tandu Systems
14-12-2004, 21:27
I feel the need to point out that while this may not have been the authors intent, he IS making a good point.
Half the anti-Bush/Christian/whatever threads out there tend to point out a SINGLE passage/mistake/thing and use this as an excuse to say that Bush needs to be impeached, Christians should be burned and the use of the word 'whatever' should be banned.
I feel that NS may possibly be one of the more pessimistic boards on the internet. Aside from all the looney apocolypse people :P
Robone
14-12-2004, 21:28
I am glad to see that the example you found died over 20 years ago. Go Democrats

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd

Here you go, this one is still alive.
Vittos Ordination
14-12-2004, 21:31
I'm still waiting for a Democrat to explain why only Democrats vote for gun buy-back programs for black inner city neighborhoods.

You know, the programs where poor blacks are encouraged to turn in a gun (working or not, legal or not) for 50 to 100 dollars.

Never in US history has one been run in an affluent white suburb.

Wonder why? Could it be that Democrats don't trust poor blacks with guns?

You won't find Republicans voting for that.

It has much more to do with the inner city and poor aspect of it. If the local governments of the area offer more than those who wish to obtain an illegal firearm, I say more power to them.

I say we spread this to every part of the nation, not just inner cities. Get unwanted guns off the street for good.
Vittos Ordination
14-12-2004, 21:33
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd

Here you go, this one is still alive.

Well shit, oh well. I even know this one, he is prominent. I didn't realize he was a member of the KKK at one point.

I just hope he doesn't legislate his own moral values.
My Gun Not Yours
14-12-2004, 21:35
Well shit, oh well. I even know this one, he is prominent. I didn't realize he was a member of the KKK at one point.

I just hope he doesn't legislate his own moral values.

He's famous for it.
Vittos Ordination
14-12-2004, 21:38
I feel the need to point out that while this may not have been the authors intent, he IS making a good point.
Half the anti-Bush/Christian/whatever threads out there tend to point out a SINGLE passage/mistake/thing and use this as an excuse to say that Bush needs to be impeached, Christians should be burned and the use of the word 'whatever' should be banned.
I feel that NS may possibly be one of the more pessimistic boards on the internet. Aside from all the looney apocolypse people :P


Not true, I can give you well over 200 reasons why I think Bush shouldn't have been reelected.

(I would even venture to say he should be impeached, but he did a very good job of covering up any evidence that he lied about Iraq, so I have no proof.)

As for Christians, I would say a majority of the threads about christians are about Christians wanting their views legislated by the government, and there are multiple examples of that.
My Gun Not Yours
14-12-2004, 21:38
He renounced his membership a while back. Let's here a word of wisdom from El Fatass:

“Why should Blacks be heard? They're 12% of the population. Who the hell cares.”
- Rush Limbaugh


So I guess you would find Rush OK if he renounced being a Republican.

Right.
Vittos Ordination
14-12-2004, 21:39
He's famous for it.

Famous for his membership, or famous for legislating his moral values?

I just know him because of his opposition to the war when nobody opposed it.
Pracus
14-12-2004, 21:43
Yup, that's a GREAT reason to classify all democrats as racist because one democrat hick from FREAKING MISSISSIPPI was.

Uh oh! I guess that makes me racist!

Ummm, excuse me. I am from Mississippi and am not a racist. While I do understand that the image of my home state is quite frequently one of racism and bigotry, and that that image is sometimes very justly deserved, I would think that intelligent people would be able to understand that not everyone--indeed no where nearly everyone--from this state is a racist and that it is just as stereotypical to assume that because someone is from Mississippi they are racist or that being from Mississippi somehow makes their racism less of a surprise.

Now that I've written that incredibly long run on sentence, I will go back to my studies.
First of Two
14-12-2004, 21:44
He renounced his membership a while back.

And yet, he still gets away with using the word "******" on the radio as late as 2001:

"My old mom told me, 'Robert, you can't go to heaven if you hate anybody.'
We practice that," Byrd said. "There are white niggers. I've seen a lot of
white niggers in my time -- I'm going to use that word."
Robone
14-12-2004, 21:45
Ummm, excuse me. I am from Mississippi and am not a racist. While I do understand that the image of my home state is quite frequently one of racism and bigotry, and that that image is sometimes very justly deserved, I would think that intelligent people would be able to understand that not everyone--indeed no where nearly everyone--from this state is a racist and that it is just as stereotypical to assume that because someone is from Mississippi they are racist or that being from Mississippi somehow makes their racism less of a surprise.

Now that I've written that incredibly long run on sentence, I will go back to my studies.

Go Jefferson Davis!!!
Chess Squares
14-12-2004, 21:46
And yet, he still gets away with using the word "******" on the radio as late as 2001:

"My old mom told me, 'Robert, you can't go to heaven if you hate anybody.'
We practice that," Byrd said. "There are white niggers. I've seen a lot of
white niggers in my time -- I'm going to use that word."
oh no, hes not cool enough to use the word "wigger" like everyone else. be afraid, afraid!
My Gun Not Yours
14-12-2004, 21:54
Famous for his membership, or famous for legislating his moral values?

I just know him because of his opposition to the war when nobody opposed it.

No he was quite the member, and he was famous for more than opposing the war. He opposed civil rights legislation quite consistently, and is, and continues to be, an old white man who hates blacks. It isn't a secret.

He does that with one hand, while begging for pork from the military with the other.

The only reason that Democrats don't dump him is because they have to swallow their credibility or accept a Republican Senator in West Virginia.

Can't lose too many seats now. So let him be a racist, and we'll keep that vote for our Party.

Go figure.
Auman
14-12-2004, 21:57
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Eastland

I don't really think I need to explain more than this, do I?

Its great how you just lump all Liberals together as a single entity. I really love it how you are ignorant enough to believe that this James Eastland character spoke for all liberals around the world.

This thread is proof that you are ignorant.
My Gun Not Yours
14-12-2004, 22:00
Its great how you just lump all Liberals together as a single entity. I really love it how you are ignorant enough to believe that this James Eastland character spoke for all liberals around the world.

This thread is proof that you are ignorant.

Auman, I think he's making the point that no matter which party you love, it has more than a few assholes in it.

I have found it fascinating to talk to people who believe that "their" party is absolutely incapable of evil, or of having any "bad" members.

And if you believe that being "liberal" saves you from these things, then you're more ignorant than you know.
Auman
14-12-2004, 22:01
Most Dems aren't racist. I just wanted to prove that Democrats' record isn't as clean as liberal-left fascists would have you believe.

Another thing...Liberals lean more towards Communism/Socialism. Where as Conservatives, or Republicans, lean towards Fascism.
Chess Squares
14-12-2004, 22:03
Another thing...Liberals lean more towards Communism/Socialism. Where as Conservatives, or Republicans, lean towards Fascism.oh yeah and fascism so kicks socialisms ass. screw the poor and oppress the people
First of Two
14-12-2004, 22:14
oh no, hes not cool enough to use the word "wigger" like everyone else. be afraid, afraid!

You cannot claim "white car" without first acknowledging the existence of "car."

Similarly, you can't say "white ******" unless you believe in "******."

(And the same goes for "wigger," it's a racist word too.)
Chess Squares
14-12-2004, 22:16
You cannot claim "white car" without first acknowledging the existence of "car."

Similarly, you can't say "white ******" unless you believe in "******."

(And the same goes for "wigger," it's a racist word too.)
yeah yeah, and?
First of Two
14-12-2004, 22:17
oh yeah and fascism so kicks socialisms ass. screw the poor and oppress the people

Ah, the Twin Systems. what's the score now, 60 million dead vs 80 million dead?

Those fun-loving Germans... Adolf OR Karl would have been enough, but nooo, they had to give us both!
First of Two
14-12-2004, 22:19
yeah yeah, and?

*dotted lines for the poor!*

And therefore Byrd has clearly not shed his racist past.
My Gun Not Yours
14-12-2004, 22:35
Here's a double standard for you.

If it came out that a Republican said a derogatory term concerning a certain ethnic or racial group (or stereotype), they would be forced by public opinion to resign.

If it comes out that a Democrat does that, he gets a free pass. Because "even if he was a member of the KKK, he's renounced it, and we know that even if he uses those terms, he doesn't mean anything by it".

Democrats should be held to the same standard.
Robone
14-12-2004, 23:15
Another thing...Liberals lean more towards Communism/Socialism. Where as Conservatives, or Republicans, lean towards Fascism.

Is that why Facism is called National Socialism? Facism is actually socialism with an emphasis on nationalism. Many Republicans (Mitch McConnel from Kentucky for example, are very libertarian in their ideals). Of course, you are correct that morons like Pres. Bush are at least a little Facist at times.
Pracus
14-12-2004, 23:28
Go Jefferson Davis!!!

I was in no way defending the actions of the south during the Confederacy nor the actions of modern day "Rebels", Klan members, etc. Again, I do not appreciate the insuination that just because I am from the South, I am racist or that I am an ignorant redneck, or that I want the "South to rise again". I am not denying these things exist, and I oppose them as strongly as I oppose the stereotypical attitudes from the rest of the country that men from the South are gun-toting, illiterate, cotton-farming Klan members and that our women are bare-foot and pregnant. We are not all that way any more than everyone from the Northeast is an self-righteous ass, or everyone from the Pacific coast is a tree-hugging, granola eating, communist.
Pracus
14-12-2004, 23:30
Is that why Facism is called National Socialism? Facism is actually socialism with an emphasis on nationalism. Many Republicans (Mitch McConnel from Kentucky for example, are very libertarian in their ideals). Of course, you are correct that morons like Pres. Bush are at least a little Facist at times.

Facism is an extreme right viewpoint where the philosophy becomes that the people exist for the service of the state while communism is an extreme left viewpoint where the state exists solely for the service of the people. You end up with the same thing either way--going too extreme either way is a bad thing. You end up with Animal Farm or Jennifer Government.
Kleptonis
14-12-2004, 23:40
Here's a double standard for you.

If it came out that a Republican said a derogatory term concerning a certain ethnic or racial group (or stereotype), they would be forced by public opinion to resign.

If it comes out that a Democrat does that, he gets a free pass. Because "even if he was a member of the KKK, he's renounced it, and we know that even if he uses those terms, he doesn't mean anything by it".

Democrats should be held to the same standard.
Uhh, do you have some sort of example?
Thai Lex
14-12-2004, 23:47
I was really, really hoping for some educated agruments about affirmative action when I clicked this thread.


Oh, but I'm on the internet. I shouldn't expect such high standards to be met.
Jankonia
14-12-2004, 23:51
What were you thinking??? Your lucky there wasn't a dancing banana!!
Thai Lex
15-12-2004, 00:12
If there was a dancing banana, I think I might have shot myself in the face with a sawed off shotgun.


Okay.

Without intentionally expressing my own views let me present an argument.

Affirmative Action.

It could reasonably be argued that affirmative action is racism in legal form. Thinking that certain minorities can't meet the same standards as the majority, giving them lower test requirements, requiring businesses to hire them even if they don't meet all the requirements a business asks for.

It could also be argued that because these minorities don't get the same upbringing that they need lower standards.


Go go go go.
Goed Twee
15-12-2004, 00:21
What were you thinking??? Your lucky there wasn't a dancing banana!!

IT'S PEANUT BUTTER JELLY TIME!




hehehehehe...
Stinky McGee
15-12-2004, 00:24
Of course, you are correct that morons like Pres. Bush are at least a little Facist at times. :rolleyes:
How many Ivy Leauge Schools have you graduated from, bone? How many fighter jets have you flew? Shut up.
Goed Twee
15-12-2004, 00:27
:rolleyes:
How many Ivy Leauge Schools have you graduated from, bone? How many fighter jets have you flew? Shut up.

So you ignored the last couple of posts about how going to an Ivy Leauge School doesn't mean shit?
Jankonia
15-12-2004, 00:37
:rolleyes:
How many Ivy Leauge Schools have you graduated from, bone? How many fighter jets have you flew? Shut up.

How many Ivy League Schools have you graduated from, Stinky? How many fighter jets have you flown? Shut up

None of this is relevant to intelligence. By the way notice the rewrite I had to do on your sentences before you go half cocked about prerequisites to state an opinion.
Ogiek
15-12-2004, 00:42
Ah, the Twin Systems. what's the score now, 60 million dead vs 80 million dead?

Socialism IS NOT Communism. Socialism, as an economic system, generally is found within democratic political systems.

For those keeping score of the number of people killed by regime:

Soviet Union - (1917-1987) 61,911,000
Communist China - (1949-1987) 35,236,000
Nazi Germany - (1933-1945) 20,946,000
Nationalist China - (1928-1949) 10,075,000
Japan - (1936-1945) 5,964,000
China (communist guerillas) - (1923-1949) 3,466,000
Cambodia - (1975-1979) 2,035,000
Turkey - (1909-1918) 1,883,000
Vietnam - (1945-1987) 1,678,000
North Korea - (1948-1987) 1,663,000(suspected)
Chodolo
15-12-2004, 00:55
Uhh, do you have some sort of example?
He's obviously talking about Robert Byrd from West Virginia. He's a Southern Democrat in every sense of the word. Voted for the Gay Marriage Amendment, one of only 3 Democrats to do so (Zell Miller was another, who went on to campaign for Dubya).

Unfortunately, these kinds of Democrats are the only ones who can get elected in the South.
Chess Squares
15-12-2004, 00:57
He's obviously talking about Robert Byrd from West Virginia. He's a Southern Democrat in every sense of the word. Voted for the Gay Marriage Amendment, one of only 3 Democrats to do so (Zell Miller was another, who went on to campaign for Dubya).

Unfortunately, these kinds of Democrats are the only ones who can get elected in the South.
unless you can talk fast and (to quote the new ninja turtles episode) "make them an offer they cant understand"
Robone
15-12-2004, 01:09
I was in no way defending the actions of the south during the Confederacy nor the actions of modern day "Rebels", Klan members, etc. Again, I do not appreciate the insuination that just because I am from the South, I am racist or that I am an ignorant redneck, or that I want the "South to rise again". I am not denying these things exist, and I oppose them as strongly as I oppose the stereotypical attitudes from the rest of the country that men from the South are gun-toting, illiterate, cotton-farming Klan members and that our women are bare-foot and pregnant. We are not all that way any more than everyone from the Northeast is an self-righteous ass, or everyone from the Pacific coast is a tree-hugging, granola eating, communist.

I am from South Carolina, and while not all southerners are rednecks, they are all (or at least the ones that arent carpet baggers) really conservatives. Example, Greenville SC doesnt recognize MLK day.
Chess Squares
15-12-2004, 01:22
I am from South Carolina, and while not all southerners are rednecks, they are all (or at least the ones that arent carpet baggers) really conservatives. Example, Greenville SC doesnt recognize MLK day.
yeah even the most redneck parts of north alabama (NORTH< south is i dunno what south is) are less redneck than alot of tennesee the carolinas and some other states
Pracus
15-12-2004, 02:07
I am from South Carolina, and while not all southerners are rednecks, they are all (or at least the ones that arent carpet baggers) really conservatives. Example, Greenville SC doesnt recognize MLK day.

Gee, then why did I vote for Kerry? Why am I in support of gay rights, equality for women, hate crimes legislation and the ICC? Why do I oppose using Christianity (okay not all conservatives do this) as the basis of our laws?

There are southern liberals. We might be the minority, but we are still present and its still "racist" to assume that because someone is Southern they are conservative. Its the little word "all" that people seem to be fond of throwing around that's really causing trouble here.
The Black Forrest
15-12-2004, 02:12
There are southern liberals. We might be the minority, but we are still present and its still "racist" to assume that because someone is Southern they are conservative. Its the little word "all" that people seem to be fond of throwing around that's really causing trouble here.

Just a nitpick.....racist is a bad use of the word here; prejudice would have been better.

Do you have all your teeth! :p
Irrational Numbers
15-12-2004, 02:26
I feel the need to point out that while this may not have been the authors intent, he IS making a good point.
Half the anti-Bush/Christian/whatever threads out there tend to point out a SINGLE passage/mistake/thing and use this as an excuse to say that Bush needs to be impeached, Christians should be burned and the use of the word 'whatever' should be banned.
I feel that NS may possibly be one of the more pessimistic boards on the internet. Aside from all the looney apocolypse people :P

The difference in the arguements is that the original poster used one guy's remarks to eliminate half the country. But if I heard just the one quote shwon on Wikipedia I'd be calling for his impeachment too.
My Gun Not Yours
15-12-2004, 02:48
Let's not forget that it was the Republican Party, led by Abraham Lincoln, that freed the slaves.
Chodolo
15-12-2004, 02:51
Let's not forget that it was the Republican Party, led by Abraham Lincoln, that freed the slaves.
The parties have really changed.

I think it had something to do with the Democrat Party finding more support in the North and the Republican Party more support in the South.
Goed Twee
15-12-2004, 02:55
Let's not forget that it was the Republican Party, led by Abraham Lincoln, that freed the slaves.

And after that the parties switched. So really, it was the democrats.
Chodolo
15-12-2004, 02:56
Exhibit A: 1860

http://img28.exs.cx/img28/1674/18600xu.jpg

Exhibit B: 2004

http://img28.exs.cx/img28/5184/20044kc.jpg


The North has always been liberal, the South has always been conservative. As the parties moved, they took on the beliefs of their primary constituents.
Pracus
15-12-2004, 03:03
Just a nitpick.....racist is a bad use of the word here; prejudice would have been better.

Do you have all your teeth! :p

That would be why I put the word racist in quotes. I knew it wasn't proper, but I was making a comparison here.

And yes, I have all my teeth, excepting the two widsom teeth I had pulled because there was not enough room. I can drive a car, have been on a plane, and can read too--that is when I have enough oil to keep my lamp burning :rolleyes:
My Gun Not Yours
15-12-2004, 03:04
And after that the parties switched. So really, it was the democrats.

Please put down the hash pipe. Really. You've had enough for the night.
Goed Twee
15-12-2004, 03:09
Please put down the hash pipe. Really. You've had enough for the night.

Actually, I'm straightedge. So...what were you saying?
Chodolo
15-12-2004, 03:11
Please put down the hash pipe. Really. You've had enough for the night.
The parties really did mostly switch. Besides the obvious electoral vote comparison, historically the Republican Party split in two around the time of Teddy Roosevelt's "Bull Moose" campaign, in which the conservative Republicans went with Taft, and the liberal/progressive Republicans went with Roosevelt. This splitting of the vote let Democrat Woodrow Wilson win. But the Democrat Party itself would split not long after, with the Southern delegates walking out of the 1948 Democrat Convention, to form the short-lived Dixiecrat Party, and running Strom Thurmond as a presidential candidate. Later on, the Dixiecrats joined the Republican Party under Nixon's Southern Strategy, and the progressive Republicans joined the Democrat Party. African-Americans also switched from the Republican to the Democrat Party, the latter being the one to support civil rights in the 60s.
My Gun Not Yours
15-12-2004, 03:14
Leaving the Democrats with Byrd.

I need to know why it's common for a Republican who is *outed* as a racist resigns, and why a Democrat who is *outed* as a racist is allowed to continue in office as a Democrat.

I'd also like to know where the NAACP gets off accusing "white corporations" of pushing crack on the black population, and then turns around and gives crack to people in order to have them fill out bogus voter registration cards.

It just doesn't make any sense. I don't see Democrats in an uproar about that, either. If a Republican had done that, there would still be front page stories about it at the New York Times.
Chodolo
15-12-2004, 03:26
Leaving the Democrats with Byrd.
Byrd should have left the party with Thurmond and the rest of them. He's an embarassment to the modern Democratic Party.

I need to know why it's common for a Republican who is *outed* as a racist resigns, and why a Democrat who is *outed* as a racist is allowed to continue in office as a Democrat.

I'd also like to know where the NAACP gets off accusing "white corporations" of pushing crack on the black population, and then turns around and gives crack to people in order to have them fill out bogus voter registration cards.

It just doesn't make any sense. I don't see Democrats in an uproar about that, either. If a Republican had done that, there would still be front page stories about it at the New York Times.
It's politics. And you're right, if a Republican had said "white ******" on TV like Byrd did, the NAACP would be all over it. The NAACP picks their battles to wage the larger political war.
Violets and Kitties
15-12-2004, 04:37
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Eastland

I don't really think I need to explain more than this, do I?

Do you even realize that in the deep South, over three-fourths of the politicians who fun as "Democrats" follow a paleo-conservative political philosophy (think Pat Buchannan), while the "Republican" candidates tend to be neo-cons?

Party affiliation is a poor way to determine a person's political views in a two party system. In fact, it is only slightly more idiotic then asserting that the views of one person on one issue in a large organization that addresses a variety are representative of the views of all, most, or even more than a tiny minority of the whole on that on particular issue.
Incertonia
15-12-2004, 05:00
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Eastland

I don't really think I need to explain more than this, do I?
Since it would be flaming to accuse you of being an idiot, I'll avoid doing that, but if ever there were proof that a certain person were indeed an idiot, I think a case could be made that a person making post much like the one quoted above would be an idiot.
Violets and Kitties
15-12-2004, 05:25
Here's a double standard for you.

If it came out that a Republican said a derogatory term concerning a certain ethnic or racial group (or stereotype), they would be forced by public opinion to resign.

If it comes out that a Democrat does that, he gets a free pass. Because "even if he was a member of the KKK, he's renounced it, and we know that even if he uses those terms, he doesn't mean anything by it".

Democrats should be held to the same standard.

You know, I don't exactly see the Republicans calling *the individual who made the slur* to task. Rather I see them attacking the entire Democratic Party for the remarks of an individual and I see the calling "Liberals" racists.

What this does, in essence, is attack all Democrats -even the non-racists ones- while protecting the racist individual politician. Which fits the Conservative agenda, as the racist individuals, regardless of the fact that they are registerd as Democrat and are possible more 'liberal' than other candidates in their given area, tend to cross typical party lines and vote for Republican sponsered legislation much, much more often than a more typical Democrat.

If the Republicans were *really* concerned about double-standards, they would be attacking the individual rather than the entire party. Don't see that happening much.
Madesonia
15-12-2004, 05:27
Oh bugger... I've gone all cross-eyed reading this
Ogiek
15-12-2004, 06:51
There are sure a lot of people with a great deal of faith in Wikipedia as a source.
Prosh Vector
15-12-2004, 11:17
Abraham Lincoln was the first Republican president that the US ever had, he ran against an incumbent Democrat who was fine with the continuation of slavery as he (and his party) didn't consider the African slaves to be even whole people. The Republican party was founded on the anti-slavery platform and ran Lincoln and another guy twice before the decent people of the Union decided that enough was enough and slavery had to go, thus Lincoln was elected, the Civil War happened and slavery is no more (in the US, anyhow).

This is, of course, does not exhonorate the GOP from all wrong doing in history as far as racial problems following the war and continuing for more than a century. However, in the 1960s when the Civil Rights Act was passed Republicans came out in large numbers in the House and Senate to pass it, the Democrats' numbers were...well....shameful.

There will ALWAYS be racist people of every political party, sexual orientation, color, creed, religion or nationallity. NO ONE is 100% immune to it. Sorry.