NationStates Jolt Archive

My vote has to go to the ubiquitous *Communist Libertarian* I've seen here.
Possibly *Anarchist Democracy*.
Damn, that's gotta be lonely.
What's your favorite?

Real Russian political affiliation: National-Bolshevik Anti-Intellectualist.

Liberal fascists.

Yes there was one a while back.

Liberal fascists.

Good one.
Old slogan : Freedom isn't free.
New slogan: Freedom isn't even freedom!

Libertarian Republican Anarchist

Possibly *Anarchist Democracy*.
Damn, that's gotta be lonely.

nearly all anarchists are proponents of democracy in some form. how else do you have a group of people decide what they are going to do without having some people order others around?

Libertarian Republican Anarchist

drop the anarchist bit and you have one that actually has adherents, even though it makes no sense at all.

Because Anarchy means exactly NO GOVENMENT. Not by the people, for the people. Nobody is granted rights except those they take. I can bash your head in for being an Anarchist without repuniation.

drop the anarchist bit and you have one that actually has adherents, even though it makes no sense at all.

There are many libertarian Republicans, but no Libertarian Republicans. Know what I mean?

Because Anarchy means exactly NO GOVENMENT. Not by the people, for the people. Nobody is granted rights except those they take. I can bash your head in for being an Anarchist without repuniation.

ah, there's the problem. you don't know what the word means when used in the context of anarchist political theory. anarchy means 'no rulers', not 'no rules'.

Whoever the write-in candidates are supported by.

Anarcho-capitalist

I am not a Libertarian Republican Anarchist. Some stupid twit told me he was and since I remember it, I thought it'd be hysterical to post what some idiot believes he is.

There are many libertarian Republicans, but no Libertarian Republicans. Know what I mean?

to be a republican means voting for highly authoritarian candidates and being in favor of highly authoritarian policies. the best you can have are 'economic libertarians' - more properly known as neoliberals rather than libertarians.

Anarcho-capitalist

indeed. only makes sense if they mean something different than i do by 'anarcho' or 'capitalism'.

ah, there's the problem. you don't know what the word means when used in the context of anarchist political theory. anarchy means 'no rulers', not 'no rules'.
There's your dilemma: Who makes and enforces those rules? Without anyone else, the police become your leaders. Anyone who steps up to plate becomes your leader. You are now no longer, technically, an Anarchist society.
You've been devolved into something else overnight.
Let's just say that Anarchy would be the shortest lived form of democracy known to man. Blink, you missed it.
If a tree falls in the woods...

to be a republican means voting for highly authoritarian candidates and being in favor of highly authoritarian policies. the best you can have are 'economic libertarians' - more properly known as neoliberals rather than libertarians.
I really can't argue with this kind of reasoning.
Republican means you're a registered Republican.
Libertarian means that you've registered with the Libertarian Party.
Small *l* libertarianism defines an ideology, not a party. It doesn't suggest any political affiliation at all.

There's your dilemma: Who makes and enforces those rules?

the people involved in whatever those rules are about. people work together as equals all the time.

to be a republican means voting for highly authoritarian candidates and being in favor of highly authoritarian policies. the best you can have are 'economic libertarians' - more properly known as neoliberals rather than libertarians.
Part of the Republican ideology is small government and economic liberty. Authoritarians can belong to either party. Usually, the extreme liberals and the extreme conservatives are the ones that fall into the authoritarian mindset. It is possible to be libertarian Republican. The political compass explains it all:
http://www.politicalcompass.org/

the people involved in whatever those rules are about. people work together as equals all the time.
And people screw each other over all of the time. You didn't answer the question:
Who enforces these *rules* in a truly Anarchic society? I guess you're speaking of a utopian fantasy where everyone is good, and there's no need for any enforcement because nobody would break them. Sounds great.
We should adopt this government tomorrow.

Or are you referring to Mob Justice? That does sound Anrchist.

Part of the Republican ideology is small government and economic liberty. Authoritarians can belong to either party. Usually, the extreme liberals and the extreme conservatives are the ones that fall into the authoritarian mindset. It is possible to be libertarian Republican. The political compass explains it all:
http://www.politicalcompass.org/
Thanks for saving me a little typing. How old are you Soviet Whatever?

Part of the Republican ideology is small government and economic liberty.

or so they tell you as they openly install a police state and camera's in people's bedrooms.

It is possible to be libertarian Republican. The political compass explains it all:
http://www.politicalcompass.org/

actually, it tends to analyze things my way. read the analysis and look at their thing on the us election.

Here in Pennsylvania, one can actually register as a member of "The Birthday Party". Although I think you have to be born on the first Tuesday after the first Monday in November to run for office on their ticket.

Compassionate Conservative - what a contradiction!

or so they tell you as they openly install a police state and camera's in people's bedrooms.



actually, it tends to analyze things my way. read the analysis and look at their thing on the us election.

I don't think I can argue your criticizms of the party as it is now. Yeah, they're tearing the few liberties we still have from our hands as we speak. But the point was that you can't blanket any party with generalized statements.
I hate that as much as I hate hearing things like All Libertarians are for our children having unbridled access to porn and drugs.
I'm sure some wackos would argue for it in the LP, but that's hardly *proof* that the LP has that agenda.
Perhaps it would be more accurate to state that Bush and his cabinet are for the things you've mentioned, not the entire party.

Compassionate Conservative - what a contradiction!
Now that was funny.

Here is what I am talking about:

In our home page we demolished the myth that authoritarianism is necessarily "right wing", with the examples of Robert Mugabe, Pol Pot and Stalin. Similarly Hitler, on an economic scale, was not an extreme right-winger. His economic policies were broadly Keynesian, and to the left of some of today's Labour parties. If you could get Hitler and Stalin to sit down together and avoid economics, the two diehard authoritarians would find plenty of common ground.

And people screw each other over all of the time. You didn't answer the question:
Who enforces these *rules* in a truly Anarchic society?

depends on the particular conception of an anarchist society we are talking about. i tend to favor a standing system of enforcement (sort of like the police, but without the whole 'armed enforcers of privilege' thing), but others disagree. in any case, it isn't enforcement of rules than makes a society anarchist or not - it has to do with how the rules are made and a person's ability to realistically opt out or otherwise withdraw consent.

Here is what I am talking about:

well, yeah, no disagreement there. there are some hardcore authoritarians on the left. its just that there are almost no libertarians on the right, and even fewer count themselves as republicans - not without having to deal with some heavy duty cognitive dissonance anyway. i'm not claiming that the left has a lock on libertarianism; though left libertarians certainly outnumber right ones, and tend to be much more thorough going in their libertarianism. right libertarians who vote republican have to be either deluded or value capitalism over libertarianism.

Anarcho-capitalist
indeed. only makes sense if they mean something different than i do by 'anarcho' or 'capitalism'.

This is one reason I love the An-Caps. They drive the other Anarchists nuts.
Anarcho-capitalism makes just as much sense as any other form, and maybe even more sense. No restrictions from authority, as opposed to restricting economic rights.

to be a republican means voting for highly authoritarian candidates and being in favor of highly authoritarian policies. the best you can have are 'economic libertarians' - more properly known as neoliberals rather than libertarians.

Completely untrue. I give you exhibit A: Republican congressman Ron Paul (http://www.house.gov/paul/) - Libertarian.

Completely untrue. I give you exhibit A: Republican congressman Ron Paul (http://www.house.gov/paul/) - Libertarian.

do they even let him come to republican party parties? he votes against pretty much everything the republicans are for (democrats too for that matter - ah, dr. no).

This is one reason I love the An-Caps. They drive the other Anarchists nuts.
Anarcho-capitalism makes just as much sense as any other form, and maybe even more sense. No restrictions from authority, as opposed to restricting economic rights.

well, we would disagree that anarchism restricts economic rights. just like we would deny that there is anything authoritarian about abolishing a system of nobility. or in fighting against a dictatorship. ending privilege is not a restriction on freedom.

but we've had this discussion before.

I'm a Republican myself, but I'm both a laissez-faire capitalist and a Evangelical Christian... people keep asking me how the two paradigms mesh.

do they even let him come to republican party parties? he votes against pretty much everything the republicans are for (democrats too for that matter - ah, dr. no).
Of course they do. Hot Damn, he's even a Texan! He may vote left on a lot of social issues, but he'll vote even right of the right economically. And that's really where the right's heart is and has always been.
I don't know why people aren't aware that Libertarians are more respected in right-wing circles than than left (being the antithesis to socialism).
I haven't heard the right speak badly about them nearly as much as the left (not even remotely close).
Those who've publicly made glowing remarks about the Libertarian vision include Rush, O' Reilly and you should hear their sacred cow, Ronnie Reagan:

"If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. I think conservatism is really a misnomer just as liberalism is a misnomer for the liberals–if we were back in the days of the Revolution, so-called conservatives today would be the Liberals and the liberals would be the Tories. The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is.

Now, I can’t say that I will agree with all the things that the present group who call themselves Libertarians in the sense of a party say, because I think that like in any political movement there are shades, and there are libertarians who are almost over at the point of wanting no government at all or anarchy. I believe there are legitimate government functions. There is a legitimate need in an orderly society for some government to maintain freedom or we will have tyranny by individuals. The strongest man on the block will run the neighborhood. We have government to insure that we don’t each one of us have to carry a club to defend ourselves. But again, I stand on my statement that I think that libertarianism and conservatism are travelling the same path."

- Ronald Reagan to Reason Magazine (http://www.reason.com)

I'm a Republican myself, but I'm both a laissez-faire capitalist and a Evangelical Christian... people keep asking me how the two paradigms mesh.
I don't see any reason why they couldn't, and shouldn't.
You do your kind a better favor than all of the spin doctors and PR twerps in Washington could hope to.

There are many libertarian Republicans, but no Libertarian Republicans. Know what I mean?

I don't, but I know that Ron Paul is a libertarian "Republican."

I don't, but I know that Ron Paul is a libertarian "Republican."
Correct. Please see above as someone just covered that same point.

I cant speak for affiliations, but the strangest party has to be the Pot Party in BC, (yeah, as in Marijuana), they dont garner a lot of votes, but they are a party nevertheless.

Imagine... the next MP for my local... from the Marijuana Party... :D

what a trip..!!

http://www.nazi.org/

Quite possibly a massive joke of some sort, but definitely an odd "affiliation" in any case.

I cant speak for affiliations, but the strangest party has to be the Pot Party in BC, (yeah, as in Marijuana), they dont garner a lot of votes, but they are a party nevertheless.

Imagine... the next MP for my local... from the Marijuana Party... :D

what a trip..!!

Is that their entire platform?
Just legalize weed and everything would be coooooooooooooool, man?
:p

Wait, what were we talking about?

*steals goofballs tacos*

Is that their entire platform?
Just legalize weed and everything would be coooooooooooooool, man?
:p

Wait, what were we talking about?

Yep, thats pretty well it.
They recently offered to create an alliance with the Green Party, but the Green's didn't respond.
They are hoping to gather 3% in the next election.

Yep, thats pretty well it.
They recently offered to create an alliance with the Green Party, but the Green's didn't respond.
They are hoping to gather 3% in the next election.

When even the Green's think you're a nutter, it might be time to hang up the phone. Sorta like getting a rejection letter from NAMBLA.

*steals goofballs tacos*

AIEEE!!! :eek: Hey! All you had to do was ask! I have plenty of tacos to go around. Always do.

Yep, thats pretty well it.
They recently offered to create an alliance with the Green Party, but the Green's didn't respond.
They are hoping to gather 3% in the next election.

Nice to see another Vancouverite here! Hows it going!! :D