NationStates Jolt Archive


1 year anniversary of Saddam's capture

Grays Hill
14-12-2004, 00:27
Today is the 1 year anniversary of Saddam Hussein's capture. So, being that it was one year ago, how do you think the world has changed?
New Genoa
14-12-2004, 00:32
People hate america more
Eutrusca
14-12-2004, 00:39
I think an analogy can be drawn between the fall of the Soviet Union and the fall of Saddam Hussein. After each of them fell, a period of chaos ensued because both regimes had imposed their iron will on restive ethnic and religious populations which proceeded to boil over when this restraint was lifted.

As the various geopolitical entities formed from the former Soviet Union have begun to self-impose order, the turmoil gradually decreases.

I suspect this is what is now happening in Iraq.
Goed Twee
14-12-2004, 00:40
well, judging by the fact that the war did NOT, in fact, suddenly and miraculously end, I'm gonna go with "nothing big"
Nsendalen
14-12-2004, 00:40
We're freer, safer, terrorists are routed all over the globe, America and Britain are symbols of civil and political liberties to everyone else!

Oh wait....

N/m.

And he still hasn't been tried. Justice may be blind, but someone should help her move faster.
Grays Hill
14-12-2004, 01:01
We're freer, safer, terrorists are routed all over the globe, America and Britain are symbols of civil and political liberties to everyone else!

Oh wait....

N/m.

And he still hasn't been tried. Justice may be blind, but someone should help her move faster.

I made a thread about a month ago asking what was going on with his trial. I think he should get the death penalty.
Von Witzleben
14-12-2004, 01:04
As the various geopolitical entities formed from the former Soviet Union have begun to self-impose order, the turmoil gradually decreases.

I suspect this is what is now happening in Iraq.
Heavy fighting in Falludscha today. And a bombing in Bagdad. :D Yeah. Iraq is a realy peacefull place.
Incertonia
14-12-2004, 01:16
Everybody say it with me--it won't hurt, I swear.

Howard Dean was right. Capturing Saddam Hussein has made neither us in the US nor our soldiers in Iraq safer.
Nsendalen
14-12-2004, 01:18
I'd go for life without parole in a spartan prison, but he'd be more likely to get somewhere cushy...

As for the comparison to the Soviet Union...

(pure opinion follows)

The Soviet Union was united with conquest and held by political ideas. When outside pressure forced a collapse, what rose from the rubble was mainly free of religious influences, and from violent interference. The end result was mainly democracies (and as we see in the Ukraine, not without corruption...).

By comparison, Iraq was a secular state ruled by a dictator who oppressed the majority of the populace to a minor/moderate degree, and opponents to a massive degree. This time outside influences did not merely force a collapse, they entered and enacted the collapse. Iraq is surrounded by theocracies and/or areas where Islamic radicalism can be found, and is infested with people opposed to the occupying force's presence, and no doubt with their own ideas on what Iraq should end up as.

However long an army is present in Iraq, there is no guarantee that what government is left behind will not voluntarily or by coup become unfavourable, and without withdrawing from Iraq I cannot see wars of regime change being waged on any other Middle Eastern countries, simply due to manpower.

(End)

Like I said, pure opinion.
Bodies Without Organs
14-12-2004, 01:21
Someone remind me exactly what charges are being pressed against Saddam Hussain, would you?
Grays Hill
14-12-2004, 01:23
Someone remind me exactly what charges are being pressed against Saddam Hussain, would you?

I think he is being charged with war crimes.
New Genoa
14-12-2004, 01:27
I think he is being charged with war crimes.

really, I thought he oppressed all those people during times of peace? and hasnt the Us committed war crimes in this war? Should bush be punished as well?
Grays Hill
14-12-2004, 01:37
really, I thought he oppressed all those people during times of peace? and hasnt the Us committed war crimes in this war? Should bush be punished as well?

He did do it in times of peace, but he used chemical weapons on them, so it was like an act of war I guess.
Incertonia
14-12-2004, 01:39
Actually, I think he'll be charged with crimes against humanity or against the Iraqi people. I suppose he could also be charged with individual counts of murder if they have proof against him. It doesn't really matter--it'll be a show trial.