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is that what you want

:headbang:
Honestly, you're trying to compare Israel, who don't go rounding up people because of their skin colour and have them shot/burnt/gassed against Nazi Germany, who did all of the above merely because somebody was Jewish, or a gypsy, or somebody who looked at Hitler the wrong way.
In summary,
:headbang:

Oh, you never know, the way things are going with the Far Right in Israel, a Final Solution to the Palestinian Question is not an outlandish possibility.

Oh, you never know, the way things are going with the Far Right in Israel, a Final Solution to the Palestinian Question is not an outlandish possibility.
i'm not the only one that see's this possabilty
wow now i'm scared

The far right?
As in, the 2% of Israel who are absolute nutjobs? No way, the far-left will be voted in before them. For the record, Likud are nowhere near far right, they're near centre-right. The next government will be Ehud Barak and Avoda.

Another stupid thread.

i'm not the only one that see's this possabilty
wow now i'm scared
Personally, i'd be more scared of Bush finding the nuclear launch codes.

Are you Israeli sanctaphax?

Who the hell said there are too many similarities between Israel and Nazi Germany?
The amout of people on NS who post without having any knowledge of what they're posting about. Has the person who said that ever lived in Israel?

Are you Israeli sanctaphax?
Yup, and it really annoys me seeing all these people who just go by what they see on BBC and take that to be Israel.

Yup, and it really annoys me seeing all these people who just go by what they see on BBC and take that to be Israel.
Ah, the BBC, that legendary source of anti-semitic propaganda. :rolleyes:

i said other
the only real diffrence is religon

I don't think Israel is exactly a human rights paradise, but I don't go comparing it to Nazi Germany either.

Don't you just love it when people compare your country to Nazi Germany? I can't imagine having to talk with people and deal with a world that tells you that your country is like Nazi Germany. It's really shows ignorance and is very disturbing.

Come on folks, be nice. Yes, the thread is flammable, but sure nobody should mind a little discussion? :fluffle:

Don't you just love it when people compare your country to Nazi Germany? I can't imagine having to talk with people and deal with a world that tells you that your country is like Nazi Germany. It's really shows ignorance and is very disturbing.

Do many countries get compared with NG? Sorry to disturb, but this is not an issue to keep bottled up methinks.

Oh, you never know, the way things are going with the Far Right in Israel, a Final Solution to the Palestinian Question is not an outlandish possibility.
My thoughts exactly. Not like they haven't already started with the getthos.

:headbang:
Honestly, you're trying to compare Israel, who don't go rounding up people because of their skin colour and have them shot/burnt/gassed against Nazi Germany, who did all of the above merely because somebody was Jewish, or a gypsy, or somebody who looked at Hitler the wrong way.
In summary,
:headbang:

Quoted. For. Truth.

To those who say that those must never be compared, please explain why?

Ah, the BBC, that legendary source of anti-semitic propaganda. :rolleyes:
First up they are anti-semitic but never mind. My point was, that people base Israel on what the media tells them. The media loves taking the side of the "oppressed", in this case the Palestinians. Therefore the only things you hear, are the bad things. There's one bombing every 3 months, and Israel's a dangerous place. I live here, and I feel safer here than I ever did in England, what with street crime, pyschopaths, murderers being a lot more common than in Israel.

First up they are anti-semitic but never mind.

Proof?

Another stupid thread.
Yep

Oh, and the genocide option is bs, as the Palestinian population is RISING.

:rolleyes:
Do you people even know what Genocide is? I severely doubt it, considering you seem to think Israel is commiting it.

Genocide: Wiping out of an entire race, religion or nationality.

Now please explain how we are commiting it? The Israeli arabs have FULL RIGHTS! Voting rights, citizenship, everything the Jews have. We aren't killing them. They are a lot closer to commiting genocide than us. The next time a serious contender for becoming Israeli PM stands up and says, "lets drive them all into the sea" i'll admit we're commiting genocide. Up until then, its the Palestinians goal, therefore they are the ones commiting genocide.

:rolleyes:
Do you people even know what Genocide is? I severely doubt it, considering you seem to think Israel is commiting it.

Genocide: Wiping out of an entire race, religion or nationality.

Now please explain how we are commiting it? The Israeli arabs have FULL RIGHTS! Voting rights, citizenship, everything the Jews have. We aren't killing them. They are a lot closer to commiting genocide than us. The next time a serious contender for becoming Israeli PM stands up and says, "lets drive them all into the sea" i'll admit we're commiting genocide. Up until then, its the Palestinians goal, therefore they are the ones commiting genocide.

Ahem. Dissimilarites. Sorry to confuse you. My mistake.

One word about this thread: SHAME :headbang:

:rolleyes:
Do you people even know what Genocide is? I severely doubt it, considering you seem to think Israel is commiting it.

Genocide: Wiping out of an entire race, religion or nationality.

Now please explain how we are commiting it? The Israeli arabs have FULL RIGHTS! Voting rights, citizenship, everything the Jews have. We aren't killing them. They are a lot closer to commiting genocide than us. The next time a serious contender for becoming Israeli PM stands up and says, "lets drive them all into the sea" i'll admit we're commiting genocide. Up until then, its the Palestinians goal, therefore they are the ones commiting genocide.

ok it's not genocide according to the books israel only kills half a nationality. :mp5:

ok it's not genocide according to the books israel only kills half a nationality. :mp5:
Palestinians in the occupied terriotories:3.7 million
Palestinians killed since Intifadah: roughly 4,000

Care to do some math? :rolleyes:

Oh, you never know, the way things are going with the Far Right in Israel, a Final Solution to the Palestinian Question is not an outlandish possibility.

Good to know the NationStates Mods are completly unbiased and even handed.

Good to know the NationStates Mods are completly unbiased and even handed.

They're human and allowed to have opinions too, you know.

Other.

There are similarities, but its a question of extremes. That said, there are similarities between all nations and Nazi Germany. It's a question of how fundamental those similarities are to the aspect of NG you consider most relevant.

For instance: NG had a fiscal economy (i.e. one based on money, not trade). This is comparable to pretty much every developed and developing nation on earth. However, I doubt that a comparision between NG and Israel is likely to be based upon their use of money as a means of payment.

That said, there are similarities which would be considered fundamental to a comparision. Isreal has established ghettoes for the Palestinians, although less overtly than NG. The refugee camps etc could be considered ghettoes.

But here's a fundamental difference. The Nazi oppression of the Jews was against either German Jews, or Jewish peoples of occupied land. There was no "justification" of intifada or similar - i.e. the Jewish peoples were not engaged in an attack upon the Germans (whether retaliatory or not). The infitada offers a veil of respectability or justification to those wishing to defend Israel's stance towards the Palestinians.

Also, there is no sense of attempts to conquer the surrounding region (at least, not a public one). Whilst behind closed doors there may be the odd member of the Israeli parliament who would like to see the Arabs wiped of the face of the earth, it is not a dominant (or even minor) aspect of their foreign policy. The Israeli parliament sees the Occupied Territories as a primarily domestic dispute.

As regards the anti-semitism of the Occupation and treatment of the Palestinians, there are two approaches which I have felt supported this line of thinking. Firstly, that the Palestinian people are also semitic, and therefore a policy which prejudices them is inherently anti-semitic. Secondly, that any association of the Jewish or Israeli people with the slaughter of the Palestinians brings them into disrepute. Thus to force association (by the Parliament) of the acts of the State of Israel with its people is anti-semitic, just as the actions of Bush et al (which bring the American people into disrepute) are anti-American

ok it's not genocide according to the books israel only kills half a nationality. :mp5:

Do you always pull stuff out of your butt?

Proof?
Thank you.

The Be'er Sheba bus bombings, article one.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3614614.stm

The retaliation by Israel, article two.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3614614.stm

Article one:
Lets look for the pictures of injured Israelis, blood all over their clothes, shrapnel buried in them shall we? Oh wait... they're not there!
Article two:
Oh its ok, here they are. In the retaliation one. And the pictures appear to be of Hamas Terrorists, not Israeli civilians.

Article one:
"Twin bus bombs rock Israeli city", from the title you'd assume there were no casualties.
Article two:
"Gaza strike kills 14 militants", you read that right, not terrorists, militants. Bear in mind these are Hamas members.

Article one:
"Sixteen people have been killed in suicide bombings on two buses in the southern Israeli city of Beersheba." Well thats good, glad to see there were no wounded... wait a sec, further down it does say that there were wounded.
Article two:
"At least 14 people have been killed and 20 wounded in an Israeli air strike on an alleged night training exercise by Palestinian fighters in Gaza City." Alleged, there's no proof, merely alleged. The weapons etc... found at the scene don't prove a thing.

Article one:
"Prime Minister Ariel Sharon convened an emergency security cabinet meeting to plan Israel's response, vowing to pursue "the struggle against terror"." Be sure to make him look like the bad one, planning a retaliation, killing terrorists etc...
Article two:
"The BBC's Alan Johnston in Gaza said the strike left appalling devastation, with body parts scattered across the football pitch." Oh! Those Israelis, killing terrorists. How could they!!!




There's more, but i'm bored. I'll do some more later.

Do you always pull stuff out of your butt?
no kidding!

Why thank you OMM. Well put, IMO. The fires are still down, and if people follow your lead, with regards to manner and level-headedism, this discussion might yet prove informative and fruitful and go down in history as a milestone on the path to peace and sunshine.

Saanctaphrax why do you even bother with a thread like this? Your opinions won't change anything.

Comparing Israel to Nazi Germany is flamebait and this thread should be locked to avoid offending the Israeli members here.

Why thank you OMM. Well put, IMO. The fires are still down, and if people follow your lead, with regards to manner and level-headedism, this discussion might yet prove informative and fruitful and go down in history as a milestone on the path to peace and sunshine.

^ PHONY with a capital F

Saanctaphrax why do you even bother with a thread like this? Your opinions won't change anything.

Comparing Israel to Nazi Germany is flamebait and this thread should be locked to avoid offending the Israeli members here.
I'm well aware of that. But if I didn't post, people would go getting stupid ideas about Israel and Nazi Germany. You need somebody to show the other side. Besides, this thread is a gem as far as comedic value goes.

this thread is a gem as far as comedic value goes.

It's both disturbing AND funny.

^ PHONY with a capital F
Believe it or not, I was actually somewhat serious. Discussion is UNDERRATED! Terribly.

I'm well aware of that. But if I didn't post, people would go getting stupid ideas about Israel and Nazi Germany. You need somebody to show the other side. Besides, this thread is a gem as far as comedic value goes.

Even when you do post these people will still have stupid ideas about Israel...

Your right about this thread having comedic value though.

It's both disturbing AND funny.
Mostly funny, because whenever I read some of the crap being posted here, I know that these people are just having a laugh.

Ya know israel was created because of nazi germany so the palestinians should be mad at the nazis not the jews.

Article one:
Lets look for the pictures of injured Israelis, blood all over their clothes, shrapnel buried in them shall we? Oh wait... they're not there!

So not showing pictures of injured Isrealis is anti-semitic?

Article two:
Oh its ok, here they are. In the retaliation one. And the pictures appear to be of Hamas Terrorists, not Israeli civilians.

How is that anti-semitic.

Article one:
"Twin bus bombs rock Israeli city", from the title you'd assume there were no casualties.

Maybe it is just me. But I would assume that. You may as well argue some news sources were anti American if they ran a headline saying "Planes Crash Into Towers" on Septmeber 12th, since it doesn't explicitly say there were casulaities

Article two:
"Gaza strike kills 14 militants", you read that right, not terrorists, militants. Bear in mind these are Hamas members.

Not following the Israeli Party line =/= anti-semitism.

Anyway, terrorist is a subjective term so it would more objective to use the word militant ;). Needless to say, when someone hears the word 'militant' I do not think that they imagin a cotton tailed rabbit.

Article one:
"Sixteen people have been killed in suicide bombings on two buses in the southern Israeli city of Beersheba." Well thats good, glad to see there were no wounded... wait a sec, further down it does say that there were wounded.

I see this as sloppy reporting. not anti-semitism.

Article two:
"At least 14 people have been killed and 20 wounded in an Israeli air strike on an alleged night training exercise by Palestinian fighters in Gaza City." Alleged, there's no proof, merely alleged. The weapons etc... found at the scene don't prove a thing.

Well. It could just be a cache. But again, I see nothing anti-semitic about it.

Article one:
"Prime Minister Ariel Sharon convened an emergency security cabinet meeting to plan Israel's response, vowing to pursue "the struggle against terror"." Be sure to make him look like the bad one, planning a retaliation, killing terrorists etc...

Most people I have met do not regard retaliation as a bad thing, nor people that retaliate as bad people. What word would you have used?

Article two:
"The BBC's Alan Johnston in Gaza said the strike left appalling devastation, with body parts scattered across the football pitch." Oh! Those Israelis, killing terrorists. How could they!!!

Well it did do appalling devestation. How is this anti-semitic though?

Palestinians in the occupied terriotories:3.7 million
Palestinians killed since Intifadah: roughly 4,000

Care to do some math? :rolleyes:

Yeah, they´re damn inefficent. Maybe the should resurrect Adolf Eichmann? He´d be a great asset...

j/k

When you say:

The far right?
As in, the 2% of Israel who are absolute nutjobs? No way, the far-left will be voted in before them. For the record, Likud are nowhere near far right, they're near centre-right. The next government will be Ehud Barak and Avoda.

do you think that Hitler +Pals represented the views of everyone?
2% of people in a country can do plenty of damage if they are in the right place at the right time.....

When you say:



do you think that Hitler +Pals represented the views of everyone?
2% of people in a country can do plenty of damage if they are in the right place at the right time.....
The Nazis were democratically elected

The Nazis were democratically elected

If you call old people getting dragged to the voting box by NS stormtroopers, political opponents killed, beaten up or "dissapeared", or voters intimidated "democratically", then yes, they´ve been democratically elected, but it certainyl wasn´t a fair election.

Conceptualists, you're right, the news isn't anti-semitic, its very badly slanted in favour of the Palestinians and slanted against Israel. That better?

i said other
the only real diffrence is religon


Add race and size to that. You shouldnt compare the Third Reich with an occupying regime that is smaller then the state of New Jersey.....

If you call old people getting dragged to the voting box by NS stormtroopers, political opponents killed, beaten up or "dissapeared", or voters intimidated "democratically", then yes, they´ve been democratically elected, but it certainyl wasn´t a fair election.
Er, no. They were democratically elected as per the constitution of the Weimar Republic.

Conceptualists, you're right, the news isn't anti-semitic, its very badly slanted in favour of the Palestinians and slanted against Israel. That better?

Yes.

First off, as anyone who has taken a single history class would know, Germany had a long tradition as a military power, most famously seen in Frederick the Great and Otto von Bismark. Even when not united, it was an enormous collection of states sharing a common culture. On the other hand, Israel is a tiny nation surrounded by enemies who for most of its history were on the brink of destroying it. There is nothing similar between Germany and France and Israel and Egypt and Syria. More importantly, the charge of genocide is ridiculous. I won't deny that Ariel Sharon doesn't like Palestinians, but I've never seen any evidence that he was interested in killing them all. At worst, I would say Israel sometimes acts like South Africa under Apartheid, but even that's a bad comparisson, since full citizenship is an open option for Arabs and the violence between the groups is that of soldiers vs. terrorists not police vs. protestors. The fact of the matter is, Israel does not have a secret police which goes around torturing innocent people. Last thing, this should be obvious, but one wonders, Nazi Germany's Holocaust occured mainly in other countries, meaning that the claims of acting for the security of the state were complete bullshit. Going back to Palestine, first, would anyone deny that Israel does have legitimate reason to fear the Palestinians (I don't mean should they, I mean do they?) second, is there any evidence that Israel is trying to kill the entire populations of surrounding Arab countries?

My thoughts exactly. Not like they haven't already started with the getthos.
In Israel, suicide bombings commited by people coming from the ghettos. In Nazi Germany, no suicide bombings. Interesting difference.

The Nazis were democratically elected
Yes and no. While they were elected they weren't by any means the majority. I think the greatest percentage of political power they held was something on the order of 30-40% of the votes. Also if the economy hadn't collapsed after WW1 because of France and British reparations it is unlikely that the Nazi's would have gained any actual power in the Weimar Republic.

It was this month or last month, that Lebanon gave permission for building materials inside the refugee (ghettos) camps there. Have a read about how the Palestinians get treated in their fellow arab countries. I hear no outcry from the media and masses about this. Then again, you don't hear much about much in those countries, or care ... right?

If you go to Schem (Nablus) in Israel you will see large building projects that the government built. Large, spacious, much like what is built in our cities. And these appartment complexes is a neighbourhood of Schem itself, it is not seperated by walls, wire, maybe a road !! oo! The rediculousness of it all is that there is a shanty town, right next to this neighbourhood, that the "refugees" live in. They refuse to live in the appts?!!!!

I lived in South Africa during the bad years ... it was vastly different than any of you people think! I saw for my own eyes things I hope never to see and have never seen thankfully again. Perhaps for a different thread, however have a read of what happened there, before you try and compare SA and Israel.

hmmmm the only thing that isreal and nazi germany have in common is thier military. they both use a biltzkrieg... other than taht it's like comparing apples and oranges......ah let's see they are both kinda round.......

i said other
the only real diffrence is religon
how can you say that. i mean are you blind to the fact that hitller and his gang of brutes tourchered than murdered millions upon millions of people(including children) and you have the audacity to say that Israel and Nazi Germany only were different in religion!? I agree that there are some phychos in Israel who set a bad pov for the rest of them but if you can say that people who murdered in, for no other reason, cold blood are the same as the minority of the Israeli population then you really need a reallity check.

Keep stirring.

Yes and no. While they were elected they weren't by any means the majority. I think the greatest percentage of political power they held was something on the order of 30-40% of the votes. Also if the economy hadn't collapsed after WW1 because of France and British reparations it is unlikely that the Nazi's would have gained any actual power in the Weimar Republic.
True. But remember. Blair is considered to be democratically elected and has never had a high % of the votes as the Nazis did ( 38% iirc. however, they did use 'dirty' tricks. Which was calling constant elections so that the People got apathetic and the facts about the reichstag fire aren't exactly clear)

Weimar Republic Elction results (http://facultystaff.vwc.edu/~dgraf/weim.htm)

Oh, you never know, the way things are going with the Far Right in Israel, a Final Solution to the Palestinian Question is not an outlandish possibility.
This is the saddest, most pathetic post in the history of the internet.

Well it's a great place to find out who are the new batch of racist idiots on NS.

The fact of the matter is, Israel does not have a secret police which goes around torturing innocent people.
What do you think the Mossad is? A debate club?

In Israel, suicide bombings commited by people coming from the ghettos. In Nazi Germany, no suicide bombings. Interesting difference.
So? Forced ghettos non the less.

My understanding of Mossad, is that they are Israel's equivalent of the CIA whereas the Gestapo/SS were more like France's Gendarmes given brute power. More importantly, Jews posed no threat to Nazi Germany. You must have your eyes closed and your fingers in your ears to deny the desire of the Arab world to destroy Israel even before it made some of its more questionable actions. As for torture itself, I kind of expected Mossad to be brought up to tell the truth. I know they have been involved in the assassinations of terrorist leaders, but I really don't know specific cases in which they have been accused of torture. In any case, if they have, it certainly does not compare to any action Nazi Germany whether in scale or viciousness. A last point, one which I as a liberal remind myself when thinking of Bush. No one in the world is really comparable at all to Hitler or the Nazis. It may be a debatable charge that some countries act like Facists from time to time, but nothing comes close to the Holocaust. Even when genocide does occur in the world, like in Rwanda and Sudan, it is not carried out in the systematic manner which was done by Nazi Germany.

*snip*
Yeah, yeah. Mossad. Just a bunch of huggable teddy bears. :rolleyes:

Oh, you never know, the way things are going with the Far Right in Israel, a Final Solution to the Palestinian Question is not an outlandish possibility.
This is the saddest, most pathetic post in the history of the internet.

Errm, yeah... if you say so :rolleyes:

Well it's a great place to find out who are the new batch of racist idiots on NS.

saying that a country is getting out of control is not being a racist idiot. Israeli soldiers have shot missiles into Palestinian crowds, have shot, executed, and horribly attacked Palestinians. There is a lower minimum wage in Israel for Arabs than Jews. Quite frankly I find that to be quite racist. I don't think that it is Nazi Germany, but making so-called "refugee camps" into hell-holes that Palestinians are shoveled into is not right at all. Maybe there wouldn't be so much anti-Israeli fundamentalism if the fundamentalists could not find anything to be angry about.

On a seperate note, I think that the United States has gotten out of control (Enron, No WMDs, no accountability by the press) but i do NOT hate the US at all. I do not think that it is like Nazi Germany. I love the US. I love Americans. They don't pussy-foot around the issue. Comparing Israel to Nazi Germany may be wrong, but the statistics are what is the difference. Some of the tactics are the same. Flame away, but anybody who knows of the atrocities commited by the Israeli government would agree that something is horribly, horribly wrong.

When you say:



do you think that Hitler +Pals represented the views of everyone?
2% of people in a country can do plenty of damage if they are in the right place at the right time.....

the entire russian revolution was started by a few thousand people and fierce patriotism, in a country as large as Russia, 2000 people is not nearly 2%. Numbers don't mean a country can't get fucked up.

Thank you.

The Be'er Sheba bus bombings, article one.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3614614.stm

The retaliation by Israel, article two.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3614614.stm

Article one:
Lets look for the pictures of injured Israelis, blood all over their clothes, shrapnel buried in them shall we? Oh wait... they're not there!
Article two:
Oh its ok, here they are. In the retaliation one. And the pictures appear to be of Hamas Terrorists, not Israeli civilians.

Article one:
"Twin bus bombs rock Israeli city", from the title you'd assume there were no casualties.
Article two:
"Gaza strike kills 14 militants", you read that right, not terrorists, militants. Bear in mind these are Hamas members.

Article one:
"Sixteen people have been killed in suicide bombings on two buses in the southern Israeli city of Beersheba." Well thats good, glad to see there were no wounded... wait a sec, further down it does say that there were wounded.
Article two:
"At least 14 people have been killed and 20 wounded in an Israeli air strike on an alleged night training exercise by Palestinian fighters in Gaza City." Alleged, there's no proof, merely alleged. The weapons etc... found at the scene don't prove a thing.

Article one:
"Prime Minister Ariel Sharon convened an emergency security cabinet meeting to plan Israel's response, vowing to pursue "the struggle against terror"." Be sure to make him look like the bad one, planning a retaliation, killing terrorists etc...
Article two:
"The BBC's Alan Johnston in Gaza said the strike left appalling devastation, with body parts scattered across the football pitch." Oh! Those Israelis, killing terrorists. How could they!!!




There's more, but i'm bored. I'll do some more later.

playing semantics with newspaper articles is not proof that Israelis are oppressed by the outside world. And it's not "oh those Israelis, killing terrorists; how could they?" it's "shouldn't the side that claims to be respectable hold itself to a higher standard than carpet bombing?" Israel constantly urges the international community to see it as their equal, just another developed country. Here's a newsflash

Mossad tortures people

Palestinians are put into ghettos

Palestinians have a lower minimum wage than Israelis in order to get slave labout out of them.

Something needs to be done, and it isn't blaming the rest of the world for not allowing barbaric practices from a nation that claims to be developed.

Palestinians are put into ghettos

Yeah, and I'm sure they're gassed and put into death camps also.

Actually, not "mustaches", but "one mustache".

Who the hell said there are too many similarities between Israel and Nazi Germany?
The amout of people on NS who post without having any knowledge of what they're posting about. Has the person who said that ever lived in Israel?

hahaha u have a point, I am one of them.

Mossad tortures people

Palestinians are put into ghettos

Palestinians have a lower minimum wage than Israelis in order to get slave labout out of them.

Something needs to be done, and it isn't blaming the rest of the world for not allowing barbaric practices from a nation that claims to be developed.

Maybe the Mossad torture people maybe they don't, but they're an intellegence agency, it's their job to protect innocents even if the guilty have to be dealt with in a not so nice manner.

The palestinian leadership put the Palestinians in Ghettos not the Israeli's. maybe if people like Arafat and such spent all that aid they get on solving their problems rather than murdering Israeli children on school buses and fancy homes in France, then maybe the Palestinians might get somewhere.

Oh no, a lower minimum wage, that's the most barbaic thing I've ever heard. It's much worse than training children to commit suicide when tehy are older so they can kill children.

Something does need to be done. The wall is the start of that. The Israeli disengagement is the second part. The third part is for the nutjobs on both sides to stop killing eachother.

Is the suggestion that Jews, having being oppressed and scourged by the nazi’s, have now adopted the very same cynical ‘might-is-right’ fascist world-view, and is apply it to the Palestinians? Just so I understand - are you suggesting that Israel has learnt lessons of violence, in the same way that an abused child learns negative behavours from their violent parents which compells them to one day mistreat their own children? Is this the argument? Are you saying Israel is acting immorally because jews were treated immorally by the nazis and now they know no better ??

Personally I feel its more like a future Iraq.

Isreal is far from -that- point, but its set up to -get- there. Then again, the US isn't exactly heading in a great direction these days either, but that's no excuse.

And there's one major difference between modern Isreal and Nazi Germany: Nukes.

Personally I feel its more like a future Iraq.

Isreal is far from -that- point, but its set up to -get- there. Then again, the US isn't exactly heading in a great direction these days either, but that's no excuse.

And there's one major difference between modern Isreal and Nazi Germany: Nukes.

true be nazi germany was on the verge of developing nukes in ww2

true be nazi germany was on the verge of developing nukes in ww2
Ironically, if they didn't hold their anti-semitic policies they probably would have done it too.

Goodness... and I thought that we had managed to wipe you people out of the world by now. Silly me.

Why on earth would anyone in their right mind compare Israel and Nazi Germany? [Answer: They're a Neo-Nazi or a member of Hezbollah] Isn't that just kind of cruel to those whose ancestors were murdered in the Holocaust? [Answer: YES]

The fact of the matter is, no matter what similarities may or may not exist between Israel and Nazi Germany, this sort of poll is just a stupid and hurtful waste of people's time. I am shocked that the person that put this thing up would be so insensitive to others, especially concerning genocide.

I certainly hope that all of you go home, look yourself in the mirror, and then resign from The Order/Hezbollah. Which one you belong to depends on exactly how you feel like slapping some more corpses on the face of this once-lovely Earth.

In Israel, suicide bombings commited by people coming from the ghettos. In Nazi Germany, no suicide bombings. Interesting difference.

Are you saying that the Jews didn't have a right to resist Nazi Germany through suicide bombings (directed, say, at German civilians)--or that if a minority of them had chosen to do so, the Nazis would have been vindicated?

The comment about "driving the Jews into the sea" was made by Ahmed Shukairy, the first chairman of the PLO. Yasir Arafat's Fatah movement, which called for a single state with equal rights for Jews and Palestinians, was formed with the single goal of combating the PLO leadership's anti-Jewish bigotry, and replacing it with an organization that fought for Palestinian national rights while giving no quarter to Jew-hatred. (Not that Arafat always lived up to this, but he certainly never advocated or committed genocide.) Nor is Abbas a genocidal maniac.

The fact is, Israel is founded on, and committed to, racism. It does have a domestic secret police--the Shin Bet--in addition to its intelligence agency, the Mossad. And it has carried out acts of aggression against its neighbors. If we disregard the aggression on which it was founded, there is still notably the 1956 attack on Egypt, the 1967 attack on 3 neighbors, the occupation of parts of Lebanon since 1982, and the 1981 bombing of Iraq.

The Palestinian people have been the victims of repeated attempted genocides--in 1947-1948 by the Zionist movement; in 1970-1973 by Jordan, with Israeli support; in 1975-1976 by Lebanon with Israeli and Syrian support; and in 1991 in Kuwait.

The BBC is an arm of the consistently pro-Israel British government.

That said, Israel is far from the only human rights violator in the world, and far from the worst. Israel's policies toward the Palestinians are not those of genocide. And any similarities with Nazi Germany are far outweighed by the differences, the most obvious being that Israel is a democracy and Germany was a dictatorship.

Goodness... and I thought that we had managed to wipe you people out of the world by now. Silly me.

Why on earth would anyone in their right mind compare Israel and Nazi Germany? [Answer: They're a Neo-Nazi or a member of Hezbollah] Isn't that just kind of cruel to those whose ancestors were murdered in the Holocaust? [Answer: YES]

The fact of the matter is, no matter what similarities may or may not exist between Israel and Nazi Germany, this sort of poll is just a stupid and hurtful waste of people's time. I am shocked that the person that put this thing up would be so insensitive to others, especially concerning genocide.

I certainly hope that all of you go home, look yourself in the mirror, and then resign from The Order/Hezbollah. Which one you belong to depends on exactly how you feel like slapping some more corpses on the face of this once-lovely Earth.

here have a cookie. ;)