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The more liberals that move to Canada, the less social problems we will have here in the states. So I say good riddance.
But I must warn the Canadians, that these people will try to mess up their nation as they tried to mess up the US.

The more liberals that move to Canada, the less social problems we will have here in the states.

Social problems like lower divorce rates and less teen pregnancies?

That's true.

When only the ignorant/cracker/racist/hillbillies they won't have anybody to point out their stupidity.

Hmmmm flamebait response to flamebait? :rolleyes:

Social problems like lower divorce rates and less teen pregnancies?
those have been dropping dramatically since Bush first took office 4 years ago, though they were skyrocketing under Clinton.

Interesting that the subject of the article Applied for CITIZENSHIP before she voted for Kerry... and are these people giving up their US CITIZENSHIP? sounds like a dodgy and insincere protest if they are hanging on being a US Cit. Live in another country but still vote in the US Elections. Wimps.

That's true.

When only the ignorant/cracker/racist/hillbillies they won't have anybody to point out their stupidity.

Hmmmm flamebait response to flamebait? :rolleyes:
We shall be a moral nation under God once again. As soon as we are rid of those pesky secularists.

Interesting that the subject of the article Applied for CITIZENSHIP before she voted for Kerry... and are these people giving up their US CITIZENSHIP? sounds like a dodgy and insincere protest if they are hanging on being a US Cit. Live in another country but still vote in the US Elections. Wimps.
I don't think the US accepts dual citizenships.

South of the border in Bellingham, Wash., Charles Key, a 56-year-old Vietnam veteran, is planning his move to Canada.

"America no longer reflects my political and social values," said Key, whose ancestor Francis Scott Key wrote "The Star-Spangled Banner."

Key is painfully aware of the irony. "The land of the free and the home of the brave always meant to me that America was supposed to stand for freedom and diversity and tolerance," he said. "And I don't think that it does anymore."
Inviting a visiting NBC News team out for a tour of the waters off Quadra Island, Wright spotted a bald eagle perched on a rock off her port bow and pointed it out to her visitors.*

She joked about how America's national bird may be contemplating a move to Canada, a place she says she intends to call home for the rest of her days.

Feel the sting.....

those have been dropping dramatically since Bush first took office 4 years ago, though they were skyrocketing under Clinton.

No they haven't. Divorse is still about 60%.

Teen pregnenacies are up.

Care to post your proof?

We shall be a moral nation under God once again. As soon as we are rid of those pesky secularists.

I'm sure He'll be delighted.

if you consider socialism "messed up" then I hope you realise that canada is already more "messed up" then the US as they provide public healthcare, are considering leagalizing weed, legalized gay-marriage, have strict gun laws, dont support the death penalty, and dont limit abortions. NOW that is "messed up" </sarcasm>

But Canada and other socialistic countrys nearly always rate as higher places to live.

I don't think the US accepts dual citizenships.They do. Some countries don't however, but some will allow you to retain US Citizenship while being a citizen of their country.

Natural born citizens can retain US Citizenship. Don't think Nationalized one can.

if you consider socialism "messed up" then I hope you realise that canada is already more "messed up" then the US as they provide public healthcare, are considering leagalizing weed, legalized gay-marriage, have strict gun laws, dont support the death penalty, and dont limit abortions. NOW that is "messed up" </sarcasm>

But Canada and other socialistic countrys nearly always rate as higher places to live.
Actually it works for the Canadians cause they have comparatively small population. But if lots of American liberals move there, they will overload the system and Canada will find itself in financial trouble cause they are increasing the Canadian population and hence are increasing the national budget. But it all depends on how many of these libs move from the US to Canada. If there is a small number it likely won't impact but if it is the large number they are expecting, then there will definately be negative impact on Canada.

those have been dropping dramatically since Bush first took office 4 years ago, though they were skyrocketing under Clinton.

And that has what to do with the Presidency?

And that has what to do with the Presidency?

Silly. Don't you know it's because the shrub talks to God all the time.

In Simpson's comic store clerk's voice...
*Worst... thread... ever"

Silly. Don't you know it's because the shrub talks to God all the time. :D Why do you think he won against such odds! :D

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The more liberals that move to Canada, the less social problems we will have here in the states. So I say good riddance.
But I must warn the Canadians, that these people will try to mess up their nation as they tried to mess up the US.

Im confused. Who is messing up what? :rolleyes:

We shall be a moral nation under God once again. As soon as we are rid of those pesky secularists.


You know i am not surprised you are an advocate for Bush because you flagrantly disregard our CONSTITUTION just as he did...sorry i am a little late to this discussion, BUT does ANYONE remember that line oh, it may not be that important....FREEDOM OF RELIGION? a moral nation under God once again....i understand our nation was formed under a christian guide line but you can not talk like you do or Bush does.

You know i am not surprised you are an advocate for Bush because you flagrantly disregard our CONSTITUTION just as he did...sorry i am a little late to this discussion, BUT does ANYONE remember that line oh, it may not be that important....FREEDOM OF RELIGION? a moral nation under God once again....i understand our nation was formed under a christian guide line but you can not talk like you do or Bush does.I do, and it will be nice to practice that freedom without the anti-christians out there screaming at us.

Hey, I wonder if we can convice the ACLU to move to Canada as well.

I do, and it will be nice to practice that freedom without the anti-christians out there screaming at us.

Hey, I wonder if we can convice the ACLU to move to Canada as well.
I second that.

i am roman catholic.....

I do, and it will be nice to practice that freedom without the anti-christians out there screaming at us.

Hey, I wonder if we can convice the ACLU to move to Canada as well.

You are rediculous.

so since i am roman catholic i want you to realize that i am not anti-christian. also i want you to stop being a christian supremist, i am proud of my religion but the basis of our country is religous freedoms so why should you say yours is the best and the morals of your religion should be the countries.

so since i am roman catholic i want you to realize that i am not anti-christian. also i want you to stop being a christian supremist, i am proud of my religion but the basis of our country is religous freedoms so why should you say yours is the best and the morals of your religion should be the countries.

Quit screaming at the christians.

Quit screaming at the christians.

how do you scream at yourself? :confused:

how do you scream at yourself? :confused:

You are just one of the liberal self-loathing christians aren't you.

You are rediculous.Am I... can't say the Pledge of Allegence because of "Under God," Can't have Bible studies in School, Can't have Christ in CHRISTmas, can't make any religous notions of Thanksgiving, No Prayers in School, Boy Scouts are now considered a RELIGIOUS Organization because their oath mentions Reverence, There's even talk of changing our money to remove "In God We Trust." People complain about the racket of Church Bells, Can't even sing Religous Carols on Jesus's Birthday...

Yet, Muslum Mosqus in the US can BLAST their Religous songs from LOUDSPEAKERS that can be heard miles away. There are public schools that Cater to specific Religions (while Catholic schools have to be private). Cowards who BLOW UP CITIZENS during their Holy Wars can sue for UNCONSTITUTIONAL treatment. Organizations that support the loving relationship (rape) of a boy at the hands of an adult male, and so called equal rights organization that don't do a damn thing when whitey is in trouble.

Yeah, Rediculous...

You are just one of the liberal self-loathing christians aren't you.

o your just being silly now

Am I...
1)can't say the Pledge of Allegence because of "Under God" Can't have Bible studies in School,
2)Can't have Christ in CHRISTmas,
3)can't make any religous notions of Thanksgiving,
4)No Prayers in School,
5)Boy Scouts are now considered a RELIGIOUS Organization because their oath mentions Reverence,
6)There's even talk of changing our money to remove "In God We Trust." 7)Can't even sing Religous Carols on Jesus's Birthday...

1) Government cannot endorse religion
2) It is still titled Christmas on my calender
3) Why not? Do you have Thanksgiving dinner at the City Hall? If so, see #1.
4) Sure there is, just cannot be organized by the school and cannot take children out of class. If they want to gather before or after school, or pray to themselves it is perfectly acceptable.
5) No, they require that everyone have spiritual beliefs, they give out badges based on religious beliefs, therefore endorse religion. See #1.
6) See #1
7) Sure you can, is singing not covered in the freedom of speech?


Yet,
1)Muslum Mosqus in the US can BLAST their Religous songs from LOUDSPEAKERS.
2)There are public schools that Cater to specific Religions (while Catholic schools have to be private).
3)Cowards who BLOW UP CITIZENS during their Holy Wars can sue for UNCONSTITUTIONAL treatment.
4)Organizations that support the loving relationship (rape) of a boy at the hands of an adult male,
5)and so called equal rights organization that don't do a damn thing when whitey is in trouble.

Yeah, Rediculous...

1) I need a source to make a point on this.
2) If they do, I would say that most liberals would agree on your part. I would like to see a source talking about a publically funded muslim school.
3) :confused:
4) They don't support their beliefs or actions, they support their rights.
5) I guess you are referring to affirmative action, which I have a problem with, but what does that have to do anti-christians?

o your just being silly now

Yes I am. Not Lunatic Goofballs silly, but silly nonetheless.

Interesting that the subject of the article Applied for CITIZENSHIP before she voted for Kerry... and are these people giving up their US CITIZENSHIP? sounds like a dodgy and insincere protest if they are hanging on being a US Cit. Live in another country but still vote in the US Elections. Wimps.
my parents have american citizenship (not canadian though) they've lived here since before i was born and they still vote in the u.s. elections.

they're republicans though... they only came here 'cause my dad got hired at a company here.

I don't think the US accepts dual citizenships.
if you're born with both citizenships they do. (i.e. in my case)

and actually, pamela anderson got american citizenship without having to give up canadian citizenship... though canada doesn't stop allowing people to be citizens. once a canadian, always a canadian. :)

Actually it works for the Canadians cause they have comparatively small population. But if lots of American liberals move there, they will overload the system and Canada will find itself in financial trouble cause they are increasing the Canadian population and hence are increasing the national budget. But it all depends on how many of these libs move from the US to Canada. If there is a small number it likely won't impact but if it is the large number they are expecting, then there will definately be negative impact on Canada.
i'm sorry, but do you know how many immigrants come here?

immigrants with fewer skills than the liberals from america... and lacking the ability to speak english... so yeah, we'll take your educated urban population...

except that it actually doesn't work like that, we only allow so many people in per year. no rush of new immigrants will be coming into canada. sorry to put a damper on your utopic vision...

Wouldn't it just be easier if we all separated into say... Democratica and, oh... Jesusland?

Actually it works for the Canadians cause they have comparatively small population. But if lots of American liberals move there, they will overload the system and Canada will find itself in financial trouble cause they are increasing the Canadian population and hence are increasing the national budget. But it all depends on how many of these libs move from the US to Canada. If there is a small number it likely won't impact but if it is the large number they are expecting, then there will definately be negative impact on Canada.

Actually, as long as the new arrivals pay taxes (which they will) it should be fine since they are putting money into the system to fund social programs.

And just so you know Canada actually needs more immigrants. At least that's what they've been debating in the newspaper.

Am I... can't say the Pledge of Allegence because of "Under God," Can't have Bible studies in School, Can't have Christ in CHRISTmas, can't make any religous notions of Thanksgiving, No Prayers in School, Boy Scouts are now considered a RELIGIOUS Organization because their oath mentions Reverence, There's even talk of changing our money to remove "In God We Trust." People complain about the racket of Church Bells, Can't even sing Religous Carols on Jesus's Birthday...


Yeah, Rediculous...

If you want to consider Thanksgiving a religious holiday, I have to wonder how you incorporate religion. Are you thanking God that the Europeans brought over enough disease to lay waste to a continent that had a precontact estimated population of ten to twenty million, decimating the Amerinidian people of North America? Or, perhaps, are you thanking the Native Americans for the cultivation that they had done to our "virgin" continent, without which the colonies would never have succeeded? Thanksgiving as we know it does not have roots in the Christian tradition, and was instead part of the Eastern Indian autumnal harvest celebrations, and had been so for centuries. Our celebration only dates back to 1863, when President Lincoln proclaimed Thanksgiving a national holiday so that he could muster up patriotism. I fail to understand how you can justify a Christian-centric aspect to Thanksgiving, particularily when all that you are thankful for seems to be in direct violation of the ten commandments, namely thou shalt not murder, thou shalt not steal, and thou shalt not covet your neighbors house...nor any thing that is thy neighbor's. Unless, of course, you believe that the doctrine of discovery written by Pope Nicolas V and the Inter Cetera bull written by Pope Alexander VI, both of which condoned the subjugation and subjection of "barbarians", were endorsed by God.

also, and this is said knowing that there will be an angry response, how can you attack loving, consensual relationships between men of a legal age, when the Catholic church has historically had so many problems with its priests and underage, powerless little boys?

If you want to consider Thanksgiving a religious holiday, I have to wonder how you incorporate religion. Are you thanking God that the Europeans brought over enough disease to lay waste to a continent that had a precontact estimated population of ten to twenty million, decimating the Amerinidian people of North America? Or, perhaps, are you thanking the Native Americans for the cultivation that they had done to our "virgin" continent, without which the colonies would never have succeeded? Thanksgiving as we know it does not have roots in the Christian tradition, and was instead part of the Eastern Indian autumnal harvest celebrations, and had been so for centuries. Our celebration only dates back to 1863, when President Lincoln proclaimed Thanksgiving a national holiday so that he could muster up patriotism. I fail to understand how you can justify a Christian-centric aspect to Thanksgiving, particularily when all that you are thankful for seems to be in direct violation of the ten commandments, namely thou shalt not murder, thou shalt not steal, and thou shalt not covet your neighbors house...nor any thing that is thy neighbor's. Unless, of course, you believe that the doctrine of discovery written by Pope Nicolas V and the Inter Cetera bull written by Pope Alexander VI, both of which condoned the subjugation and subjection of "barbarians", were endorsed by God.

also, and this is said knowing that there will be an angry response, how can you attack loving, consensual relationships between men of a legal age, when the Catholic church has historically had so many problems with its priests and underage, powerless little boys?
First post and s/he comes out swingin'...

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Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli. Fuck you, mister anti-secularist.

Does that include the 8 members of the US army in Canada seeking asylum from the Land of the free?

Interesting that the subject of the article Applied for CITIZENSHIP before she voted for Kerry... and are these people giving up their US CITIZENSHIP? sounds like a dodgy and insincere protest if they are hanging on being a US Cit. Live in another country but still vote in the US Elections. Wimps.

For those Americans contemplating a move to Canada, please don't if the only reason is dissatisfaction with your government and president. You do live in a democracy, you voted and you lost. Live with it and prepare for the next election. If you do move North you may find the political enivronment not to your liking either - the provinces have fairly disparite governments some of which are conservative (though not in the American sense of the word).
I visited the states recently and you people seem particulary polarised.......

I do, and it will be nice to practice that freedom without the anti-christians out there screaming at us.

Hey, I wonder if we can convice the ACLU to move to Canada as well.

You want them to be quiet?

STOP forcing your religious values on everybody else and they will be quiet.

Am I... can't say the Pledge of Allegence because of "Under God,"
Yes for one thing, it's not part of the original pledge and it's a state endorsement of Christianity.


Can't have Bible studies in School,

Yes you can. It's called compartive Religions study or you go to a Religious school.


Can't have Christ in CHRISTmas,

That's more PC then the "anti-christians" They avoid other Religious holiday phrases has well (ie "Happy Holidays").


can't make any religous notions of Thanksgiving,

You can do what ever you want in the homes. Having worked in a few kitchens I can tell you the Relgious group sponsered ones still have prayers.


No Prayers in School,

Private prayers allowed. Class led prayers no allowed.


Boy Scouts are now considered a RELIGIOUS Organization because their oath mentions Reverence,

DUH! An athiest can not become an Eagle scout. There has been lawsuits and they lost. Religion is part of Scouting. Much of the problems with the Boy Scouts is because the main council is infected with Fundi Christians. They activily discriminate against gays. One in particular was a gay scout master. The families of the troop knew he was gay and liked him. They were ok with it but the ruling council had him tossed. So the families abolished the troop.

I am an Eagle Scoult BTW.


There's even talk of changing our money to remove "In God We Trust."

In God We Trust was never formally apart of money. It became formal during McCarthy.

People complain about the racket of Church Bells,

That is more bitching about noise then it is about Christianity. People bitch about the calls to prayers over load speakers from Mosques(ie Michegan).


Can't even sing Religous Carols on Jesus's Birthday...

That is an outright lie. I hear them all the time.


Yet, Muslum Mosqus in the US can BLAST their Religous songs from LOUDSPEAKERS that can be heard miles away.

No they can't. Noise law is still noise law. A town in Michgan had complaints and the Iman of the Mosque worked with the people and eliminated the two calls that happened around peoples sleeping time.


There are public schools that Cater to specific Religions (while Catholic schools have to be private).

A public Relgious School? I challenge you to point that out.

Catholic schools want to be private as they can decide their own corse of study(ie Bible studies).

I went to Catholic schools BTW.


Cowards who BLOW UP CITIZENS during their Holy Wars can sue for UNCONSTITUTIONAL treatment.


If we are to have the best system of law that the rest of the world should follow then we can't pick an choose who has rights. Illegal aliens are prosecuted by our laws. Foregin vistors are prosecuted by our laws. People we grab up in an undeclared war should be prosecuted by our laws.


Organizations that support the loving relationship (rape) of a boy at the hands of an adult male,

NAMBLA is one orginization and I will bet you know nothing of that fight.


and so called equal rights organization that don't do a damn thing when whitey is in trouble.

Which orginazation is that? The ACLU? Hmmm last I check Rush was a whitey.


Yeah, Rediculous...

Yes your comments are very rediculous.....

2 major distorted truths from this thread.

1. Americans are greatly moving to Canada.

No, not true. There has not been a substantial increase. Besisdes, if one was moving up here because of the US election, it would take about a year. So no great exodus.

2. Canada is a socialist country.
No. Canada is not Cuba. Stop calling us soicalists. This is a constitutional parliamentary democracy.

and I guess a third major distortion would be pretty much every petty theory Rudolfensia has thrown together for this thread.

those have been dropping dramatically since Bush first took office 4 years ago, though they were skyrocketing under Clinton.
Source please. What the guy meant was that the lowest divorce an teen pregnency rates are in places like Massachusetts, while the highest are in the likes of Alabama. Basically, it makes moralising southern conservatives look like the bunch of hypocrites that they are.

We shall be a moral nation under God once again. As soon as we are rid of those pesky secularists.
Are you serious? No, you can't be, this is too much like satire. The USA has always been an officially secular nation. So whe were you ever "a moral nation under God" before?

Seriously, what do you think of this?
The land of the free and the home of the brave always meant to me that America was supposed to stand for freedom and diversity and tolerance, and I don't think that it does anymore.

Actually it works for the Canadians cause they have comparatively small population.
Interesting how you admit that left-wing policies are good ideas, provided the population is relatively small. What I don't understand is why you think, to adjust these good ideas for a large population, it is necessary to swing so far to the right that you can no longer see those ideas.

I do, and it will be nice to practice that freedom without the anti-christians out there screaming at us.

So "anti-christian supremacy" = "anti-christian"?

So if I don't like Nazis, does this mean I hate white people?

my parents......
they're republicans
Moderates or ub3r-cons3rvativ3s? I hope they didnt vote for Bushit.

[QUOTE=SiljhouettesAre you serious? No, you can't be, this is too much like satire. The USA has always been an officially secular nation. So whe were you ever "a moral nation under God" before?[/QUOTE]

Since certain people are desperately trying to pretend there are no problems in America, or at least that they are someone else's fault, and they can easily be solved by just doing what they say.

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The more liberals that move to Canada, the less social problems we will have here in the states. So I say good riddance.
But I must warn the Canadians, that these people will try to mess up their nation as they tried to mess up the US.
dude, those liberals are supporting the conservative states in the nation. if you really are so eager for them to leave, i would encourage the liberals to pull an Atlas Shrugged and give the whimpering little Red States what they are asking for: leave them to wallow in the mess they have created, and count the seconds until they come begging for you to return and fix things. :)

If they hate President Bush that much
and they really think he is a dictator,
than I suggest they move to Cuba
and learn what a real dictator is like.

God, I hope they don't vote for the Liberal Party or worse, the NDP!

But I must warn the Canadians, that these people will try to mess up their nation as they tried to mess up the US.
Canada is a very liberal nation. Their laws are more localized too.

Instead of moving, we in the Northeast should secede.

If they hate President Bush that much
and they really think he is a dictator,
than I suggest they move to Cuba
and learn what a real dictator is like.

There is a good argument.

And while Canada enjoys a reputation as a hospitable place for immigrants, there is a tinge of anti-Americanism here.
They put it like it's a bad thing.

They put it like it's a bad thing.


Given we have to live beside each other, it is.

Instead of moving, we in the Northeast should secede."United we stand. Divided we fall."

I am a very active libereal and live in one of the most ultra-conservitave areas in the country and have no plans on living anywhere else anytime soon. Nor have I heard of anyother liberals fleeing the country.

Firstly, Canada is not a "Socialist" country. That is the strangest thing i've ever heard. We have a lot of "social" programs to help out the less fortunate, but also have a very strong capitalist economy.

Secondly, Canadians are not anti-american, but many are anti-bush.

Third, To the "Liberals" in the United States, STAY IN THE US! your great country needs you to stay there. A more liberal secular US is a better US. The extreme right wing conservatives will corrupt your country.

Actually it works for the Canadians cause they have comparatively small population. But if lots of American liberals move there, they will overload the system and Canada will find itself in financial trouble cause they are increasing the Canadian population and hence are increasing the national budget. But it all depends on how many of these libs move from the US to Canada. If there is a small number it likely won't impact but if it is the large number they are expecting, then there will definately be negative impact on Canada.

So none of these immigrants from the US will be paying taxes in Canada, then?

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The more liberals that move to Canada, the less social problems we will have here in the states. So I say good riddance.
But I must warn the Canadians, that these people will try to mess up their nation as they tried to mess up the US.
oph you will have plenty of social problems, jsut everyone will be too dumb to notice em

dude, those liberals are supporting the conservative states in the nation. if you really are so eager for them to leave, i would encourage the liberals to pull an Atlas Shrugged and give the whimpering little Red States what they are asking for: leave them to wallow in the mess they have created, and count the seconds until they come begging for you to return and fix things. :)
Except that most of the US military (about 85%) comes from the red states so if it came to civil war, the blue states and their wimpy anti war govts. would get butts kicked in one day.

Canada is a very liberal nation. Their laws are more localized too.

Instead of moving, we in the Northeast should secede.
You would be crushed. Then you would really lose everything you have.

Running away won't solve anything.

Except that most of the US military (about 85%) comes from the red states so if it came to civil war, the blue states and their wimpy anti war govts. would get butts kicked in one day.
which military is that? the one that is funded by 3 Blue State tax dollars for every 1 Red State dollar? :) i'm sure the liberals are shaking in their boots, to hear your school-yard threats of violence...

of course, i never suggested the liberals initiate a civil war with the Red States, simply that they leave and let you wallow in the mess you create. why would there be a civil war in that situation, unless you were so unhappy about them leaving that you wanted to FORCE them to come back?

The Civil War took away the states' right to secede, so miltary action would be a definite if the blue states did pull away.
Second, have you checked out those county-by-county maps of the election results. The only blue counties are those with big cities. Even CA only has blotches of blue against a mainly red background. If those blue counties did secede they'd all be surrounded by reds with no easy access to food or other resources.

The Civil War took away the states' right to secede, so miltary action would be a definite if the blue states did pull away.
Second, have you checked out those county-by-county maps of the election results. The only blue counties are those with big cities. Even CA only has blotches of blue against a mainly red background. If those blue counties did secede they'd all be surrounded by reds with no easy access to food or other resources.
again, read what i posted: the only reason there would be Civil War would be if the Reds admitted that they really really wanted the Blues to stay, wanted it so bad they would be willing to go to war over it. if the Reds are, as they claim, so eager for Blues to leave, then why would they fight a mass exodus of Blues (which is what i proposed)? i wasn't proposing that Blues rise up and try to take over anything, just that they exercise what is currently their right as Americans, the right to LEAVE if they want.

Wouldn't it just be easier if we all separated into say... Democratica and, oh... Jesusland?
Yes!
Rather than complaining about rival political systems, it makes a lot more sense to run multiple nations, following each major system, and allow free immigration to the country of your choice. If it was set up properly - as a serious scientific experiment - we could actually get some hard data on what works.
Of course, 'works' is value subjective, but having the choice means that people get the country they want.
Any federation - say Australia, Canada, the US - could do this. Just devolve powers to the states/provinces as each state/province creates a constitution appropriate to one belief system.

Vote with your feet! But make sure you have a selection of choices!

And don't stop American women coming Down Under looking for men, there're still a lot of single Aussie guys who think American women are rowwrrr!

The Civil War took away the states' right to secede, so miltary action would be a definite if the blue states did pull away.
Second, have you checked out those county-by-county maps of the election results. The only blue counties are those with big cities. Even CA only has blotches of blue against a mainly red background. If those blue counties did secede they'd all be surrounded by reds with no easy access to food or other resources.

Yeah, but no one lives in those areas. Let's say the Red army crushes the Blue army. What happens then? Do you just disenfranchise those that tried to leave? How will you stop them from declaring independence again? Kill them all?

Yeah, but no one lives in those areas. Let's say the Red army crushes the Blue army. What happens then? Do you just disenfranchise those that tried to leave? How will you stop them from declaring independence again? Kill them all?
not to mention that history shows that the Blues would actually be at an advantage in several respects; i mean, look at the American Civil War, for crying out loud! did the Union have a superior army? not in terms of command, that's for damn sure! what they did have was absolutely MASSIVE industry and commerce compared to the South, and that's what historians agree was their biggest asset. the issue of population also came into serious consideration, but the actual populations of Blue versus Red are almost perfectly equal at this point (Blues are just more concentrated). so you have one side with superior military personel and training, and the other side with better industry, manufacturing, technology, and trade capabilities...hmm, which side won the last time such a dichotomy was present?

Actually it works for the Canadians cause they have comparatively small population. But if lots of American liberals move there, they will overload the system and Canada will find itself in financial trouble cause they are increasing the Canadian population and hence are increasing the national budget. But it all depends on how many of these libs move from the US to Canada. If there is a small number it likely won't impact but if it is the large number they are expecting, then there will definately be negative impact on Canada.

If anything Canada needs more people to balance out our wacko conservatives.

And as long as they are paying taxes an increase in federal budget would have no negative effect on the country, in fact it would be beneficial, as there would be more money overall in the government coffers.

I have one thing to say to those leaving.

Na Na Na Na Na Na Hey Hey Hey GOODBYE!!!!

Except that most of the US military (about 85%) comes from the red states so if it came to civil war, the blue states and their wimpy anti war govts. would get butts kicked in one day.

Do you have any proof that 85% of the military comes from red states? I've heard that 85% of the military votes Republican, but not that they split 85-15 red-to-blue.

I have one thing to say to those leaving.

Na Na Na Na Na Na Hey Hey Hey GOODBYE!!!!

There's the maturity I've come to expect from you.

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The more liberals that move to Canada, the less social problems we will have here in the states. So I say good riddance.
But I must warn the Canadians, that these people will try to mess up their nation as they tried to mess up the US.

Good. Then the conservative gun nuts will most likely wipe each other out. :D

:gundge:

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The more liberals that move to Canada, the less social problems we will have here in the states. So I say good riddance.
But I must warn the Canadians, that these people will try to mess up their nation as they tried to mess up the US.

It is because of people like you that America is the hell hole that it is.

Liberal is what America should be, not this sespool of political greedy right wingers running the cournty.

Actually it works for the Canadians cause they have comparatively small population. But if lots of American liberals move there, they will overload the system and Canada will find itself in financial trouble cause they are increasing the Canadian population and hence are increasing the national budget. But it all depends on how many of these libs move from the US to Canada. If there is a small number it likely won't impact but if it is the large number they are expecting, then there will definately be negative impact on Canada.

Hah, I don't think so. These people will pay Canadian taxes, which will go to support Canadian social programs. I can only foresee problems if they plan not to pay into the system.

And I don't see that happening.

The more the merrier, in the new 'land of the free'.

The Civil War took away the states' right to secede, so miltary action would be a definite if the blue states did pull away.
Second, have you checked out those county-by-county maps of the election results. The only blue counties are those with big cities. Even CA only has blotches of blue against a mainly red background. If those blue counties did secede they'd all be surrounded by reds with no easy access to food or other resources.

Yes, who'd've thought Charlie Manson would end up being correct...

...Helter Skelter, fellow babies...

Given we have to live beside each other, it is.
from what i hear, fox news is rather anti-canadian. or at least anti-canadian when our politicians grow the balls to say "no." to the demands of bush... or when we make our own decisions that you guys happen to disagree with...

from what i hear, fox news is rather anti-canadian. or at least anti-canadian when our politicians grow the balls to say "no." to the demands of bush... or when we make our own decisions that you guys happen to disagree with...


Or when the WWE decides it needs to stir up some nationalistic spirit amongst viewers. Or when its a slow news day.

from what i hear, fox news is rather anti-canadian. or at least anti-canadian when our politicians grow the balls to say "no." to the demands of bush... or when we make our own decisions that you guys happen to disagree with...

And we still have given them a broadcasting license, even though they've called our Prime Minister and people idiots more than once, because we're just that free. I wonder what FOXNEWS will do to try to court Canadian viewers...I think their best policy would be continue to be so ridiculous that it would have comedic value to us.

And we still have given them a broadcasting license, even though they've called our Prime Minister and people idiots more than once, because we're just that free. I wonder what FOXNEWS will do to try to court Canadian viewers...I think their best policy would be continue to be so ridiculous that it would have comedic value to us.
Amen to that. To quote Maddox, Bill O'Reilly (and the rest of his neo-conservative hypocrite cohorts, for that matter) is a big blubbering vagina.

However, they should put a warning on Fox News in Canada: "WARNING: Watching in excess of 2 hours per day will cause suicidal thoughts and tendencies." I know it would for me.

from what i hear, fox news is rather anti-canadian. or at least anti-canadian when our politicians grow the balls to say "no." to the demands of bush... or when we make our own decisions that you guys happen to disagree with...
Make thier own decisions....they're so cuddly, they think they're sovereign.

(I'm kidding, I love Canada and every Canadian I've met has been great.)

Canada's fine, but the people who run up there because Bush won are sore losers and cowards.

Canada's fine, but the people who run up there because Bush won are sore losers and cowards.
If they're willing to swear fealty to the Queen and pay about 50% more taxes (proportionally and on average), then fine. If not, then they can go to hell.

I hate to say this, but I like more taxes, means a higher minium wage.

No that is not the sake talking, I have always been for more taxes and goverment run helthcare.

If they're willing to swear fealty to the Queen and pay about 50% more taxes (proportionally and on average), then fine. If not, then they can go to hell.

Wait, they have to swear fealty to the Queen in Canada now? Weird, we don't even have to do that in the UK...

For those Americans contemplating a move to Canada, please don't if the only reason is dissatisfaction with your government and president. You do live in a democracy, you voted and you lost. Live with it and prepare for the next election. If you do move North you may find the political enivronment not to your liking either - the provinces have fairly disparite governments some of which are conservative (though not in the American sense of the word).
I visited the states recently and you people seem particulary polarised.......

If American foreign policy puts my life in danger, I will put my money where conservatives' mouths are and leave the USA.

The ubernationalists (read: Republicans) are the ones to say "Love it or leave it," but when someone actually decides that leaving is preferable, they say "Not good enough. Move to Cuba." :rolleyes:

I was raised by a facist stepfather, thank you very much; I can relate to what a dictatorship is like. But I'm still seriously considering emigrating, because I don't want to be "disappeared" to Gitmo. I'm just waiting for the House Un-American Activities Committee to be revived.

But I probably wouldn't go to Canada as they're too close to the US. I'd prefer Europe, even if it means learning a new language.

The right to cast a vote that won't be counted accurately isn't worth staying and putting my life at risk. Our insane foreign policy is headed in that direction.

And we still have given them a broadcasting license, even though they've called our Prime Minister and people idiots more than once, because we're just that free. I wonder what FOXNEWS will do to try to court Canadian viewers...I think their best policy would be continue to be so ridiculous that it would have comedic value to us. I tried to watch some Fox News once. Fair and Balanced? BWAAAAA-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

Oh after a couple of hours, you feel really dirty and icky watching it. And oddly violent against americans. It's so skewed, you either get totally brainwashed or repulsed.

We shall be a moral nation under God once again. As soon as we are rid of those pesky secularists.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

Both Republicans and Democrats, in majority; can't seem to get it right... quit fighting over it, panzies, and give it back to the real Americans.... The Libertarians....