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I saw an ad last night for a new homeopathic flu "remedy". In a time when people are worried about a bird flu pandemic and flu vaccine is in short supply (in my country at least) I think it's unethical to sell sugar pills and droppers full of water as a remedy. The screwed up thing is that even though homeopathic remedies have been showed to be complete bullshit, a senator many years ago who was dumb enough to beleive in homeopathy pushed a bill through that protected them from the FDA's rules about drugs having to be safe and efective.

Yeah, sometimes. But many things have their roots in homeopathy (no pun intended) e.g. Asprin is something like Acetyl Salycilic Acid, which comes from some form of tree bark. It was discovered when someone analysed the tree bark that people used to chew for headaches

Yeah, sometimes. But many things have their roots in homeopathy (no pun intended) e.g. Asprin is something like Acetyl Salycilic Acid, which comes from some form of tree bark. It was discovered when someone analysed the tree bark that people used to chew for headaches
Herbal medicine is not homeopathy. Homeopathy is based on the principles of Like cures Like and dilution makes the preparation more potent. A homeopath will treat a rash with a chemical or plant extract, like Rhus Toxicodendron, which would cause a rash. He would dilute the "medicine" so much that not a single molecule of the "medicine" is left in the final preparation. It's just water. Somehow the water is assumed to have a memory of the stuff that was once diluted in it.

Herbal medicine is not homeopathy. Homeopathy is based on the principles of Like cures Like and dilution makes the preparation more potent. A homeopath will treat a rash with a chemical or plant extract, like Rhus Toxicodendron, which would cause a rash. He would dilute the "medicine" so much that not a single molecule of the "medicine" is left in the final preparation. It's just water. Somehow the water is assumed to have a memory of the stuff that was once diluted in it.
Wow. That's kinda scandallous. Why has no-one stopped it?

Wow. That's kinda scandallous. Why has no-one stopped it?
People buy into it because they are idiots, the US government protects it because an idiot senator a long time ago pushed a law through to exempt it from FDA regulation.

i sorta decided it was quackery when i found out they recommend drinking your own urine

watered down of course, but STILL

ewwwww

Eh, have you ever actually tried it?? It's so typical of people to condem what they don't understand. Promoting products in time of shortage is a bit unethical however a company will never sell its products and make profits if it does not invest in a little thing called advertising. People don't really need to get flu shots every year, well maybe the elderly and the very young. Is't it just medical groups ADVERTISING to make large profits.
Homeopathy does not work for everyone. It takes time. If 'normal' medical treatment is needed then homeopathy doesn't always have the answer. I have suffered from a medical condition that will never go away, but the perscription my gp perscribed to me was extremely strong and would have wrecked my immune system as I would have to take it so often. My mom was born with scoliosis (can't spell) and after having 3 kids the condition became very bad. Her back is not fixed but she now can play tennis, go on long walks etc with out having to spend days in agony. Homeopathy doesn't always mean instant cure and not all natural ingredients are safe. But for me it works. Don't knock something til you've tried it. If you want to wave off the flu I strongly recommend echanachea. I haven't had the flu in 8 years since I started taking this ( touch wood).

That's the whole 'mind over matter' thing though. I can see that working. What annoys me is the selling of what is basically water and claiming it's medical for any condition, when made-up correctly

Usually people who are terrified of getting sick would end up getting sick anyway. Not necessarily from the disease that is going around. But they'll end up in the doctor some way or another (whether it's from stress, or they really have the disease).

Maybe not sell them. But I believe homeopathy is alright if their incredibly cheap (it's still water neway).

Usually people who are terrified of getting sick would end up getting sick anyway. Not necessarily from the disease that is going around. But they'll end up in the doctor some way or another (whether it's from stress, or they really have the disease).

Maybe not sell them. But I believe homeopathy is alright if their incredibly cheap (it's still water neway).
*begins new brand of water*

HOMEOPATH: The best way to wash away your disease (warning: may contain piss)

Meh.

It's fine. I have used a little of it.

The critical part is knowing what you are doing and they have tons of stuff to read.

I saw an ad last night for a new homeopathic flu "remedy". In a time when people are worried about a bird flu pandemic and flu vaccine is in short supply (in my country at least) I think it's unethical to sell sugar pills and droppers full of water as a remedy. The screwed up thing is that even though homeopathic remedies have been showed to be complete bullshit, a senator many years ago who was dumb enough to beleive in homeopathy pushed a bill through that protected them from the FDA's rules about drugs having to be safe and efective.

Why do you care? It's like religion...it may not be founded in fact, but more power to it if it makes people feel better about themselves or their health. The only thing that might be hurt by homeopathy is the wallet of the people silly enough to believe in it.

in order of stupid to least stupid barney > homeopathy > herbal medicine > vanilla coke > modern medicine > cell phones without volume controls

in order of stupid to least stupid barney > homeopathy > herbal medicine > vanilla coke > modern medicine > cell phones without volume controls
why cell phones with volume controls above Modern Medicine? maybe all cellphones should just have vibrate

Eh, have you ever actually tried it?? It's so typical of people to condem what they don't understand. Promoting products in time of shortage is a bit unethical however a company will never sell its products and make profits if it does not invest in a little thing called advertising. People don't really need to get flu shots every year, well maybe the elderly and the very young. Is't it just medical groups ADVERTISING to make large profits.
Homeopathy does not work for everyone. It takes time. If 'normal' medical treatment is needed then homeopathy doesn't always have the answer. I have suffered from a medical condition that will never go away, but the perscription my gp perscribed to me was extremely strong and would have wrecked my immune system as I would have to take it so often. My mom was born with scoliosis (can't spell) and after having 3 kids the condition became very bad. Her back is not fixed but she now can play tennis, go on long walks etc with out having to spend days in agony. Homeopathy doesn't always mean instant cure and not all natural ingredients are safe. But for me it works. Don't knock something til you've tried it. If you want to wave off the flu I strongly recommend echanachea. I haven't had the flu in 8 years since I started taking this ( touch wood).
It's never been proven to work in double blind experiments. And beleive me, people have tried.

why cell phones with volume controls above Modern Medicine? maybe all cellphones should just have vibrate
because modern medicine is out to make a buck more than it is to heal people

and its getting to that vibrate is just as loud as the ring tone

It's never been proven to work in double blind experiments. And beleive me, people have tried.

No doubts here. Homeopathy is complete garbage. Its just more New Age BS.

Word to the wise: It's called the placebo effect. Read up on it, chickadees.

Wait, they're going to illegalize homeopathy now? Finally. As far as I'm concerned, prohibiting the homeos from getting married just wasn't going far enough.

"Homeopathy
A system for treating disease based on the administration of minute doses of a drug that in massive amounts produces symptoms in healthy individuals similar to those of the disease itself."

Technically vaccinations are a form of homeopathy.

"Homeopathy
A system for treating disease based on the administration of minute doses of a drug that in massive amounts produces symptoms in healthy individuals similar to those of the disease itself."

Technically vaccinations are a form of homeopathy.
Um, no. Homeopathy doesn't claim to prevent illness, like vaccines. It claims to cure or treat illness. Also, pathogens aren't used in homeopathy. Only plant extracts and chemicals that mimic the symptoms of disease. Also those extracts and chemicals are diluted to the point where there is not one molecule left in the water or the sugar pill to be administered. Vaccines work on known scientific principles. Homeopathy doesn't work at all.

Um, no. Homeopathy doesn't claim to prevent illness, like vaccines. It claims to cure or treat illness. Also, pathogens aren't used in homeopathy. Only plant extracts and chemicals that mimic the symptoms of disease. Also those extracts and chemicals are diluted to the point where there is not one molecule left in the water or the sugar pill to be administered. Vaccines work on known scientific principles. Homeopathy doesn't work at all.

Do you work for a drug company?

Do you work for a drug company?
No, a telecommunications company.

I saw an ad last night for a new homeopathic flu "remedy". In a time when people are worried about a bird flu pandemic and flu vaccine is in short supply (in my country at least) I think it's unethical to sell sugar pills and droppers full of water as a remedy. The screwed up thing is that even though homeopathic remedies have been showed to be complete bullshit, a senator many years ago who was dumb enough to beleive in homeopathy pushed a bill through that protected them from the FDA's rules about drugs having to be safe and efective.


Well, since alcohol is frequently used in homeopathic remedies, perhaps it should be illegal as well :p ;)

Well, since alcohol is frequently used in homeopathic remedies, perhaps it should be illegal as well :p ;)
No, I can prove that alcohol actually works. I had three drinks at the Elks last nigh and I was shitty. Al mixes them up strong as hell.

why cell phones with volume controls above Modern Medicine? maybe all cellphones should just have vibrate

Let me tell you what one friend did to another friend in college with a vibrating pager and some superglue...

...another time, perhaps. :D

Um, no. Homeopathy doesn't claim to prevent illness, like vaccines. It claims to cure or treat illness. Also, pathogens aren't used in homeopathy. Only plant extracts and chemicals that mimic the symptoms of disease. Also those extracts and chemicals are diluted to the point where there is not one molecule left in the water or the sugar pill to be administered. Vaccines work on known scientific principles. Homeopathy doesn't work at all.

Depends on how you define homeopathy. Just because an aspect of it is bullshit new age stuff, it doesn't mean all of it is.

Depends on how you define homeopathy. Just because an aspect of it is bullshit new age stuff, it doesn't mean all of it is.
What part isn't?

Sorry, I think I'm trying to get a round argument to fit in a square hole. I'm kind of half ranting about some stuff I learnt in a sociology lesson today, and it's about the third world, so it doesn't really apply to all this. My argument doesn't quite work in this particular context.

Sorry, I think I'm trying to get a round argument to fit in a square hole. I'm kind of half ranting about some stuff I learnt in a sociology lesson today, and it's about the third world, so it doesn't really apply to all this. My argument doesn't quite work in this particular context.
fair enough.

Wait, they're going to illegalize homeopathy now? Finally. As far as I'm concerned, prohibiting the homeos from getting married just wasn't going far enough.
hahahahahahha
those damned fundamentalists!!

Sorry, I think I'm trying to get a round argument to fit in a square hole. I'm kind of half ranting about some stuff I learnt in a sociology lesson today, and it's about the third world, so it doesn't really apply to all this. My argument doesn't quite work in this particular context.

So, post it in a new thread. I'm sure we'll all jump on board.

So, post it in a new thread. I'm sure we'll all jump on board.

Nah, I'm awful at getting that kind of point across. I'll have a go anyway.

By the way, it doesn't have all that much to do with homeopathy, it's more to do with curative and preventative medicine (like building massive hospitals in third world countries that require massive amounts of funding, rather than providing people with clean water).

As I said before, I was getting a square argument to fit in a round hole.

I'll start the new thread later on.

I tried a homeopathic cure once, but I overdosed and nearly drowned...

I tried a homeopathic cure once, but I overdosed and nearly drowned...

ROFL

Banning homeopathy because it is ineffective and can be dangerous? Very good. How about banning capitalism, religion and democracy too? :D

Banning homeopathy because it is ineffective and can be dangerous? Very good. How about banning capitalism, religion and democracy too? :D

Well, for starters, capitalism and democracy at least have some real thought behind them, and religion, much as I hate to admit it, serves a real purpose for some people.