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That's right, who can define 'love'? 'justice', 'goodness', 'truth'? The winner gets a cookie!

That's right, who can define 'love'? 'justice', 'goodness', 'truth'? The winner gets a cookie!
I know, I know!

God can define 'love', 'justice', 'goodness', and 'truth'. He defines them by being their source, and their essence. We saw them best demonstrated by Jesus Christ.

So God wins the cookie.

Read Plato's republic and you will get the best, long, and the most perfect definitions for all of the above. He was heavily influenced by Socrates, so Plato and Socrates each get a cookie. Yes, Jesus did show a brilliant example of a virtuous life, but he did not define them. He asked for a DEFINITION, not an example. Plato and Socrates can split the cookie, or maybe each get one.

That's right, who can define 'love'? 'justice', 'goodness', 'truth'? The winner gets a cookie!
Anybody with a dictionary!

Love is the Icon.

Read Plato's republic and you will get the best, long, and the most perfect definitions for all of the above.

The republic was a nice read, but we can do it better ;)

Anybody with a dictionary!

He no cheating! no cookie for you :mad:

So let's try to define justice, any suggestions?

Love is the Icon.

That's a cryptic one, could u explain that?

When you've just finished a basket full of suicide wings, you run up to the bar, and they ask you what you want. You struggle with the words as your face is nearly numb, and manage to blather out...justice.

That's a cryptic one, could u explain that?

I could, but not as well as Barry White can.

Read Plato's republic and you will get the best, long, and the most perfect definitions for all of the above. He was heavily influenced by Socrates, so Plato and Socrates each get a cookie. Yes, Jesus did show a brilliant example of a virtuous life, but he did not define them. He asked for a DEFINITION, not an example. Plato and Socrates can split the cookie, or maybe each get one.
Well, if we're talking definitions:
Love:
"God is love" (1 John 4:16)
Justice:
"I can do nothing on My own initiative. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me." (John 5:30, Jesus speaking, referring to God the Father)
Goodness:
"No one is good except God alone." (Luke 18:19)
Truth:
"I am the way, the truth, and the life" (John 14:6, Jesus speaking)

The Bible consistently states that all four of these concepts can only be understood in relation to God, because they all come from God.

So, I state once again, God wins the cookie!

That's right, who can define 'love'? 'justice', 'goodness', 'truth'? The winner gets a cookie!

Love - sex
Justice - makeup sex
Goodness - kinky sex
Truth - saying anything that gets you sex

Well, if we're talking definitions:
Love:
"God is love" (1 John 4:16)
Justice:
"I can do nothing on My own initiative. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me." (John 5:30, Jesus speaking, referring to God the Father)
Goodness:
"No one is good except God alone." (Luke 18:19)
Truth:
"I am the way, the truth, and the life" (John 14:6, Jesus speaking)

The Bible consistently states that all four of these concepts can only be understood in relation to God, because they all come from God.

So, I state once again, God wins the cookie!

Wow that's fast! Did you compose this post in advance? ;)

I'm intrigued by the one about goodness, "no one is good except god alone". Does it mean 'good' as in 'perfect', that is 'good' in all aspects? Coz there's lots of good people, though none of them is perfect.

Can a human be 'good', while still making mistakes once in a while?

Love - sex

I can agree on 'Love = sex', but 'sex = love'? You can have one without the other :D

I can agree on 'Love = sex', but 'sex = love'? You can have one without the other :D

You fall in love with someone because of the idea you're going to get a little nookie. Would you want to marry someone who's devoted their life to celibacy? Yeah, you'd be having a lot of "private time" in the bathroom ;)

Good?

What is best in life, Conan?

To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!

Yes, that is good!

You fall in love with someone because of the idea you're going to get a little nookie. Would you want to marry someone who's devoted their life to celibacy? Yeah, you'd be having a lot of "private time" in the bathroom ;)

I actually mean sex without love :D

Good?

What is best in life, Conan?

To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!

Yes, that is good!

Good for Conan, but not good for the enemies and women. Can something be truly 'good' for one, but not for another?

Aristoteles would agree with you though, he said something like "A being or thing is happy/succesfull/good when it fullfills it's specific task to perfection. that is for a knive to cut perfectly, for a human to use his/her ratio" ..and for Conan to crush his enemies ;)

They do not exist in any real sense, and so cannot be defined. The ideal of 'good' is a creation of the mind derived from instinct and personal expierience. Since everyone has a different set of memories, 'good' varies amongst people and is thus utterly undefinable.
This is the reason why all organized religions are flawed. They believe there is an ultimate moral code but the reality is that there isn't.

love = squishy
justice = pain
goodness = cookie
truth = whatever I say

Since all of these words are subjective, I am right. I get a cookie!

love = squishy
justice = pain
goodness = cookie
truth = whatever I say

Since all of these words are subjective, I am right. I get a cookie!
And since 'cookie" is subjective, you get a four-year-old hunk of fruitcake.

They do not exist in any real sense, and so cannot be defined. The ideal of 'good' is a creation of the mind derived from instinct and personal expierience. Since everyone has a different set of memories, 'good' varies amongst people and is thus utterly undefinable.
This is the reason why all organized religions are flawed. They believe there is an ultimate moral code but the reality is that there isn't.

Good point, in your face Plato :D

Plato had the idea that there are absolute moral values: just like there's a perfect definition of 'tree', there must be a perfect definition of 'good'.

So, if we can't define moral value's..is there a perfect definition of 'tree'? Cookie anyone?

That's right, who can define 'love'? 'justice', 'goodness', 'truth'? The winner gets a cookie!

Love doesn't exist, it was all a fiction made up by some bored farmer about 10000 years ago, still, people keep on talking about that.

Justice doesn't exist, it was all a fiction made up by someone who was pissed up and wanted to righfull kill someone else. they believed him.

Goodness, yeah, next think you r gonna tell me that actually someone saw God in real???.. really...

Truth you gotta die to know one, i'm not that curious

I know, I know!

God can define 'love', 'justice', 'goodness', and 'truth'. He defines them by being their source, and their essence. We saw them best demonstrated by Jesus Christ.

So God wins the cookie.

*punches god and takes cookie*