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Yeah, we all know how liberals think. That everyone in life should get equal opportunity and an equal start. That is until it involves there own kids.

Name me one liberal who believes in the system that much that they haven’t used their own money to help their own kids out. You can’t, because it is impossible. Non of them have. Liberalism is nothing but feudalism through the back door. For example, Theresa Ketchup could have sent her kids to public school and disinherited them. But she didn’t. On top of that she even does her best not to pay a fair share of income tax. Yet there she is, the model of the liberals.

Liberals are all secretly convinced that the class system is right.

Still working on that trolling thing?

Folks, don't feed it...

This is a real question. Anbar just hates me for some reason. I don't know why. I never insulted him.

Gah! That's one of the lamest trolls I've seen in months!

I mean, that's really awful. TYpically, most trolls take a valid point and twist it(sometimes to the breaking point) in a way that's inflammatory.

This guy doesn't even do that! Apparently, he thinks the model of liberalism is to drop their kids off in the forest to be raised by wolves. *sigh* I'm going back to the naked thread where I belong.

Ive actually discovered some small reality for me on the issue of liberals.. Liberals.. think of the world idealistically.. but see people REalistically (as in inherently bad) .. while Concervatives see the world realistically and people idealistically. So that we live ina realistic world where bad things happen.. but people are not all out to get u.. This is atleast true for me.. and the way in which im a concervative..

Gah! That's one of the lamest trolls I've seen in months!

I mean, that's really awful. TYpically, most trolls take a valid point and twist it(sometimes to the breaking point) in a way that's inflammatory.

This guy doesn't even do that! Apparently, he thinks the model of liberalism is to drop their kids off in the forest to be raised by wolves. *sigh* I'm going back to the naked thread where I belong.


Did I say drop the kids off in the woods.

No I did not. But thank you for not reading. I said that they should put their money where their mouth is and start them on the same field as everone else. That's all.

Trolling and misguided or not, if the thread about conservative hypocrisy got to stay, this one should too. It would only be fair;)

Oh God, Theresa Heinz-Kerry is the model of the liberals? Jesus, we are a fucked up group.

So then Libertarians think of everything realistically? No, that's not right.

On a side note, I think it's about time that this forum forgot the words "liberal" and "conservative." Let's call them Democrats and Republicans, since that's what we mean. Democrats believe in gun control. Republicans don't. Gun control should be a socially conservative idea. Sorry, but it's true.

Oh God, Theresa Heinz-Kerry is the model of the liberals? Jesus, we are a fucked up group.


Try critizing her then. And her kennedy friends. That would be a start.

Ive actually discovered some small reality for me on the issue of liberals.. Liberals.. think of the world idealistically.. but see people REalistically (as in inherently bad) .. while Concervatives see the world realistically and people idealistically. So that we live ina realistic world where bad things happen.. but people are not all out to get u.. This is atleast true for me.. and the way in which im a concervative..

How can you think of the world as bad and the people as good? It doesn't make sense to think that the world is inherently bad. Whether you are causal athiest or believe in a benevolent creator, the worst you can get is neutral.

The world didn't build nuclear weapons, the world doesn't purposefully gas it's own inhabitants, people did that.

Maybe you should start looking at the world idealistically for what it can be, and be realistic about how people are screwing it up. If everybody did that we might actually solve some of our problems instead of creating new ones.

So then Libertarians think of everything realistically? No, that's not right.

On a side note, I think it's about time that this forum forgot the words "liberal" and "conservative." Let's call them Democrats and Republicans, since that's what we mean. Democrats believe in gun control. Republicans don't. Gun control should be a socially conservative idea. Sorry, but it's true.

Huh? How is gun control conservative?

It's not at all traditional.

Try critizing her then. And her kennedy friends. That would be a start.

The experiment has already begun, lets see how it turns out.

Also, why should anyone criticize her. Does she actually have any reason to be criticized politically. Has she ever done anything political. I guess you can criticize her personally, but I would call you an asshole for judging someone you don't know.

Huh? How is gun control conservative?

It's not at all traditional.
Because it seeks to restrict the rights of the individual. That's how things are measured on a political scale.

The experiment has already begun, lets see how it turns out.

Also, why should anyone criticize her. Does she actually have any reason to be criticized politically. Has she ever done anything political. I guess you can criticize her personally, but I would call you an asshole for judging someone you don't know.

Yes, she is very political. And she openly donates money to political causes. Most of which are liberal. All liberals want to see the level playing field, but damned if she would do it with her kids. So she must be a hypocrit.

Because it seeks to restrict the rights of the individual. That's how things are measured on a political scale.

Conservatism, by its nature, is all about preserving traditional ideologies, that should be obvious from its name. It really has nothing to do with restricting rights, as long as they are traditional people. Traditional people own guns, so the government shouldn't bother them. Gay people have never married, so the government should piss all over them. Atheists and people of any religious denomination not protestant have never had a voice in the government so why should the government not endorse christianity?

Yes, she is very political. And she openly donates money to political causes. Most of which are liberal. All liberals want to see the level playing field, but damned if she would do it with her kids. So she must be a hypocrit.

You say she is a hypocrite because she only looks out for her own, and doesn't actually support the liberal causes she speaks of.

Yet, your proof that she is an important liberal is that she openly donates money to political causes.

Conservatism, by its nature, is all about preserving traditional ideologies, that should be obvious from its name. It really has nothing to do with restricting rights, as long as they are traditional people. Traditional people own guns, so the government shouldn't bother them. Gay people have never married, so the government should piss all over them. Atheists and people of any religious denomination not protestant have never had a voice in the government so why should the government not endorse christianity?
That may be the meaning of the English word, but it is not the meaning of the political word. Conduct a search yourself for the political diamond or the political compass. I'm not making this up.

That may be the meaning of the English word, but it is not the meaning of the political word. Conduct a search yourself for the political diamond or the political compass. I'm not making this up.

That is a result of their preference for tradition. Conservatives are forced to be authoritarian in order to preserve the traditions which they value, otherwise society would continue to change. (or erode as they would term it)

You say she is a hypocrite because she only looks out for her own, and doesn't actually support the liberal causes she speaks of.

Yet, your proof that she is an important liberal is that she openly donates money to political causes.

No my proof is that she openly advocates methods that she, herself, does not particiapte in. Hence hypocrit.

It is fine for her, with all of her money to tell us that this is the most egalitarian solution - the society we should strive for - yet she wants no part of it herself.

Like I said, feudalism, because she feels she is of a different class.

No my proof is that she openly advocates methods that she, herself, does not particiapte in. Hence hypocrit.

It is fine for her, with all of her money to tell us that this is the most egalitarian solution - the society we should strive for - yet she wants no part of it herself.

Like I said, feudalism, because she feels she is of a different class.

She is in a different class. Know thyself, I guess.

BTW, 5 views to my criticism, no rebuttals.

She is in a different class. Know thyself, I guess.

BTW, 5 views to my criticism, no rebuttals.


Well all well and good. You get what you gat and her kids get something else because of their birth. Like I said liberal these days = feudal.

C'mon. There must be a liberla here that is offeneded by their leaders using private education for their kids.

C'mon. There must be a liberla here that is offeneded by their leaders using private education for their kids.

They may use public funded schools when they are given the funding they need.

Also, you are slowly but surely equating liberal with communist. I think the Kerry's are capitalist and I know they would prefer that everyone gets to choose what school they want their children to go to, and not force all children into public schools.

Because it seeks to restrict the rights of the individual. That's how things are measured on a political scale.

interesting. Since conservatives (like myself) are categorized as such for our love of tradition, and family values. Gun control is a liberal concept, because it is a left-winged concept to have standard government rules, not the right.

Get the full scope before you draw rather "radical" ideas. I support gun control, yet am conservative. A lock on a gun doesn't necessarily mean no gun. Maybe I'm misinterpretting?

interesting. Since conservatives (like myself) are categorized as such for our love of tradition, and family values. Gun control is a liberal concept, because it is a left-winged concept to have standard government rules, not the right.

Get the full scope before you draw rather "radical" ideas. I support gun control, yet am conservative. A lock on a gun doesn't necessarily mean no gun. Maybe I'm misinterpretting?

Conservatives don't have a lock on family values. Liberals are just as concerned about family values, they just do not assume such a traditional view of them.

C'mon. There must be a liberla here that is offeneded by their leaders using private education for their kids.
Why, if they send their kids to private school it means that the public school system still gets there tax money (I pressume it is like that) but have less pupils to teach so more money can be allocated to individual pupil.

And I didn't state it before, though I should have. Conservatism is about traditional values. Only extremist would go so far as to not allow any change (I am not anti-gay, for lack of a better phrase) but at the same time, I think that America as familes and individuals should remember heritige, upbringing and traditions. I grew up in a liberal family. I had no "family traditions," only individual preferences. I wish I did have a "normal" family, a mom, dad, brother, sister, cat, dog, etc.... But I didn't. That doesn't mean I wan't to go on estranged tangents (as several threats imply about conservatism as such).

Bottom line, conservatism is, well, conservative. Not draconian or unflexible.

They may use public funded schools when they are given the funding they need.

Also, you are slowly but surely equating liberal with communist. I think the Kerry's are capitalist and I know they would prefer that everyone gets to choose what school they want their children to go to, and not force all children into public schools.


When?

Good old liberal leaders. Their ideal is never reached, but in the mean time the rest of us should suffer.

How can you people defend their hypocracy. That's what I want to know. It's disgusting.

Why, if they send their kids to private school it means that the public school system still gets there tax money (I pressume it is like that) but have less pupils to teach so more money can be allocated to individual pupil.


Wrong. The deomcrats wrote a deduction into the tax code for people making a lot of money. Of course you have to be part of the old money trust fund system to get it. (i.e. a kennedy.)

Wrong. The deomcrats wrote a deduction into the tax code for people making a lot of money. Of course you have to be part of the old money trust fund system to get it. (i.e. a kennedy.)
I wasn't talking about though. I don't think that everyone who sends their kids to private schools qualifies for it. But that is neigther here nor there. What I meant was, I assume that parents who send theor children to private schools recieve tax rebates to make up for the fact that their kids are being educated privately.

When?

Good old liberal leaders. Their ideal is never reached, but in the mean time the rest of us should suffer.

How can you people defend their hypocracy. That's what I want to know. It's disgusting.

I hope you're not a (R), because you're serving as a bad example. Try to refrain from saying "you people." Don't say that phrase, and you will find people much more willing to hear you out. Plus, Liberals are not the only hipocrits around. Be careful, you're starting to sound like you think everyone but you is corrupt and wrong.

That is a result of their preference for tradition. Conservatives are forced to be authoritarian in order to preserve the traditions which they value, otherwise society would continue to change. (or erode as they would term it)
So, if gay marriage were legal, conservatives would try to stomp out any attempts to illegalize it? No, that doesn't make any sense. You either believe something, or you don't. You can't quantify political beliefs in that way. That's why the political definition of conservative is one who believes that the government should make decisions. Here's a quote from the FAQ of the world's smallest political quiz:

Gun control. The early Quizzes contained this question: "Citizens should be allowed to own handguns" in the personal liberty section. Then someone pointed out that, in order to score perfectly as a leftist or liberal, you would have to answer "yes" to that question. Yet obviously, in the real world, many if not a majority of liberals and leftists favor significant amounts of gun control, if not outright gun bans. So the question threatened the integrity of the test. So, even though we consider the issue a very important one, and a strong indicator of one’s political leanings, we reluctantly dropped it, in order to keep the Quiz scores accurate.

I wasn't talking about though. I don't think that everyone who sends their kids to private schools qualifies for it. But that is neigther here nor there. What I meant was, I assume that parents who send theor children to private schools recieve tax rebates to make up for the fact that their kids are being educated privately.


Hahahaha.

read the tax code. Your little heros the kennedy's and the heinzes (et al) get tax credit against the pricate education outlay.

Meanwhile the rest of the rich world ( i.e. those not having 500,000,000 dollars) have to finance the same type of education out of pocket because they didn't have multi milloin dollar trusts before a certian date.

Like I said. Those people are all feudalists. They believe in the class system, and they believe it works well for them. Plus they think they should run the world because of their birth.

What is sad is all the liberals worship them. I guess liberals are realli just feudalists at heart. :(

I fail to see the point of this thread. Something about "let's do everything equally" except when it comes to your kids, AND if you spend money on your kids then it's hypocrisy?

I can understand the lack of morals from conservatives, since we have statistical data for it. But this is different since it comes from an emotional level.

Lacadaemon, your reasoning isn't correct. A liberal wants everyone to have an equal opportunity, but it is up to everyone to strive for better. For instance, I don't mind paying more taxes so the poor have more food to eat. But if they want caviar and steak everyday, then it is up to them to get it.

AND what the f### is this about conservatives and family values? Do you conservatives want me to paste up those statistical data showing conservatives blows when it comes to family values? Because seriously, the data I've seen shows liberal nations are safest and the least corrupt.

When?

Good old liberal leaders. Their ideal is never reached, but in the mean time the rest of us should suffer.

How can you people defend their hypocracy. That's what I want to know. It's disgusting.

Vendetta, anyone. I don't see how you can criticize them for taking advantage of their own position, while they try to help people achieve economic success.

I don't see how taking advantage of your position, and not working to allow others to achieve economic success is any better.

I also want to point out that the VAST majority of liberals do not wish for everyone to be completely equal, but for everyone to have the same opportunities.

read the tax code. Your little heros the kennedy's and the heinzes (et al) get tax credit against the pricate education outlay.

When did I say they were my heroes? When did I say was a liberal? When did I ever say I was American (in fact a quick look at my location on the left would appear contrary to it)? When did I say I knew the US tax code? I was asking questions.

However, what about the moderately well off who send their kids to private school? Do they get credit?

liberals are full of contradictions. Thats some solid truth bro.

So, if gay marriage were legal, conservatives would try to stomp out any attempts to illegalize it? No, that doesn't make any sense. You either believe something, or you don't. You can't quantify political beliefs in that way. That's why the political definition of conservative is one who believes that the government should make decisions. Here's a quote from the FAQ of the world's smallest political quiz:

If gay marriage was widely accepted as a good moral tradition, yes they would try to stamp out attempts to illegalize it.

liberals are full of contradictions. Thats some solid truth bro.

Yes, this coming from a nationstate player with "rare" civil rights and "outlawed" political freedom. It sounds like a state Saddam Hussein built. I would just lovvvvveeeee to live in your state.

Regardless. Self-government vs. centralized government. That's the only way to quantify liberal versus conservative. The fact that Democrats and Republicans got it backwards isn't my fault.

Don't feed the trolls.