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I want a straight Militaristic Discussion. Politics aside, who could and how would they or a Coalition Invade the United States.


It is a possiblity but it has to be done right and I'm up for proposals.

boo war, man!

As I stated before, the only way this could be done is EVERY single nation united underthe sole purpose of invading America. There could be no hidden agendas or power sturggles, all politicol and social ideals would have to shunned in order to achieve such a goal. That is why it is EXTREMELY unlikely, if not impossible.

Politics and alliances aside, I think Britain, France, China teamed up with Canada could pull this off. China from the west, Britain and France attack from the east, specifics to landing in Maine/New England, and Canada using their hidden underground army from the north.

Edit: Throw a nuke in here or there and it could be pulled off.


P.S. Canadians, don't deny the existance of your secret army. We all know it's there.

here's an interesting question... would the USSR, in its prime, have been able to take the USA - then or now?
nukes aside cos of mutually assured destruction and all...

Almost all of the nations with nukes are allied with us. The ones that aren't (China, maybe India or Pakistan) are either too dependent upon us to destroy us or are indifferent. If they did decide to "invade us" they would have to use nukes, which we have exponentially more of. The onyl way the US could ever falter would be if China steals so many of our technologies that they surpass us. This will happen about the same time the Sun expands and envelops earth in a flaming inferno. :cool:

Politics and alliances aside, I think Britain, France, China teamed up with Canada could pull this off. China from the west, Britain and France attack from the east, specifics to landing in Maine/New England, and Canada using their hidden underground army from the north.

Edit: Throw a nuke in here or there and it could be pulled off.


P.S. Canadians, don't deny the existance of your secret army. We all know it's there.


How do you plan to defeat Naval Supremecy? and achieve total and utter supremecacy of your own, so that you can move the amount of troops possible?

I think that if anyone invaded America, despite whether or not they were successful, would end in nuclear winter. I think our military leaders would not only defend our borders, they would launch missiles against the invading nations homeland, and if things progressed, they would launch our huge supply of nuclear weapons.

Form a military standpoint, the best stradegy would be to use the Canadian border a storming point (as implied earlier) but it would take a military with no fear of death the likes of which the world hasn't seen since communism fell in Russia. If they would have had a land border with the US, i think they would have had the man power to absorb all the bullets of America.

But we wouldn't go down without a fight :gundge:

According to a Sky News advert, (yes not all that reliable but hey) America spends more money on its defence, than the next twenty countries combined. That, is going to be a major obstacle.

Realistically, no one.

Europe is too weak militarily, and even if the relations between USA and some EU member nations (would be talking about France, Germany, etc..) would completely deteriorate, United Kingdom is always "more American" than European. Let's not forget about the new EU members either, Baltic states and Poland for example... They're quite pro-US. And with NATO still around, hell no.

Russia, China... No.

Major war between US and some other large coalition/nation could be possible, but a full-scale invasion of the United States is be pretty much impossible.
The Iraq insurgency is like a picnic when compared to an American resistance. The huge amount of firearms in private posession, quite strong patriotism... Would be extremely costly to the invader.

Hmmmm alrighty, well... it depends highly on whether you mean strictly an invasion and annexing the U.S, or if you just want a generalized removal of the U.S from the world.

If you wanted to simply remove the United States from the face of the planet, it would be a simple matter of a massive bombing campaign. While the United States has a very strong military, as a nation it holds very little land (by comparison to the combined total of other countries put together). Therefore, the United States could be a smoking ruin before other countries would die... this is assuming SOMEHOW all these countries could co-ordinate a strike so their missiles would all hit America at the same time, and U.S intelligence wouldn't pick up on it.

I think that if anyone invaded America, despite whether or not they were successful, would end in nuclear winter. I think our military leaders would not only defend our borders, they would launch missiles against the invading nations homeland, and if things progressed, they would launch our huge supply of nuclear weapons.

Form a military standpoint, the best stradegy would be to use the Canadian border a storming point (as implied earlier) but it would take a military with no fear of death the likes of which the world hasn't seen since communism fell in Russia. If they would have had a land border with the US, i think they would have had the man power to absorb all the bullets of America.

But we wouldn't go down without a fight :gundge:

It would be best to storm our border west of Minnesota.

Storming from Maine would leave your supply lines open to naval attack and the fact that your supplies would probably have to cross the St. Lawerence at one point. Then Also the terrain is Very heavily wooded which would hinder the advance of troops (See Ardennes) then you would have to take the long way down the coast with a Strong naval presence on Atlantic to keep the American navy from attacking the Invasion force and an ever watchful eye to the west to prevent a counter-attack to cut your supply lines.

Invading over the Great Lakes anywhere would be difficult do the the Demilitarization of said lakes. Moment you move to Militarize the lakes we'll Militarize ours ourself and you'll lose tactical if not Strategic Suprise and yes Strategic Suprise is a must in this sort of operation. Due to the stubborness of our nation, even if you sailed immediately up the potomic and took washington undoubtely Governors and their respective national guard units would still fight as would Federal troops. (If you knew how much of our military was in Virginia taking washington early wouldn't work either)

From the pacific you'd have to knock down Hawaii first other wise we would destroy your supply lines to any trans-pacific crossing.

On the strategic level war is more about Maintaining supply lines, and moving soldiers than numbers or quality.

Good Luck.

You would have to nuke the states...

By the way has anyone ever seen the old anti commie movie " RED DAWN"

They used commerical jets to get commandos into the country lol

Or, just equip al-Qaeda.

They'll find a way in to destroy the US.

If they receive help from big countries, they could do more damage than an invading force because they can plant sleeper cells etc and bring the US infrastructure down from the inside out. A good old fashion implosion.

It would still be an invasion of sorts, just not on the same scale as a military one.

By the way has anyone ever seen the old anti commie movie " RED DAWN"

They used commerical jets to get commandos into the country lol

Never seen it, but makes sense. It's a damn easier to insert them as "civilians" and ship the gear through other means, than to make some über-commando paradrops at night from low-flying transport planes.

Ok about Al Quadie(sp?) bringing us down from the inside, possible, yes. Probable? No. If we come under terrorist attack such as that, Civil liberties and freedoms will disappear for wartime circumstances. Aftermath would be different on how the country would turn out.

And you bet we'd Intern Anyone and everyone that could be muslim. (starting with Arabs, then South Asians that can't prove their Hindu or Buddhist or whatever. Either way we'd do it)

Problem with Al quadea is they don't look like us that much so large scale sleeper cells would be knocked out under such a crisis.

For an invation of the US to succeed you would need the support of the citizens of the US
So the first thing to do is to get control of the media... NBC, CBS, Fox and ABC, you would then change the views of the of the populace toward the president and how corrupt and dictitorial he is .... and who should be president (this will be your puppet)
Once elected..... and they do elect who the media tell them to...
The new president invites you in to run the country under some pretext of improving the economy
So the war is won without the US citizens realising they have been taken over

Plan to invade and occupy US

1) Many European citizens buy propertys thorough US with funds provided by EU governments
2) MI6, DGSE and other European secret services purchse guns from all across America and take them to these houses (of which there are several thousand in each state)
3) Using basic equipment and their millitary expertese, the agents procede to create more advanced weapons from basic domestic products (It has been proven that it can take a ten miniute trip to superdrug to get most of the materials to make a car bomb, the rest are to be found within the car)
4) UK SAS teams prepare sabotage of key lines of communication between mainland America and Alaska
5) Secret negotations with Canada and Mexico allow vast numbers of European troops to be moved there in secret (if the USSR could ship a ICBM to Cuba without the Americans knowing, this is defintely possible)
6) (The strike begins) The lines of communication between Alaska and mainland US are cut and Alaska is annexed
7) British, French and German tanks roll up from Mexico and down from Canada
8) Using the advantage of Proxy the Canadian air force distracts the vast bulk of the American airforce leaving the main airbases to be bombed by the Royal and French Air forces
9) The American Army is in such complete disarray by this time that California is easly taken along with most of the sothern block.
10) While all this has been happening the agents in the houses have been on a rampage, collecting up civilans in prision camps (being treeted well) and using there weapons to take out key communication and infrastructure.
11) Washington is bombed leaving the Whitehouse and Capitol hill intact, demanding American surrender.

For an invation of the US to succeed you would need the support of the citizens of the US
So the first thing to do is to get control of the media... NBC, CBS, Fox and ABC, you would then change the views of the of the populace toward the president and how corrupt and dictitorial he is .... and who should be president (this will be your puppet)
Once elected..... and they do elect who the media tell them to...
The new president invites you in to run the country under some pretext of improving the economy
So the war is won without the US citizens realising they have been taken over


I said Politics aside in this debate

Plan to invade and occupy US

1) Many European citizens buy propertys thorough US with funds provided by EU governments
2) MI6, DGSE and other European secret services purchse guns from all across America and take them to these houses (of which there are several thousand in each state)
3) Using basic equipment and their millitary expertese, the agents procede to create more advanced weapons from basic domestic products (It has been proven that it can take a ten miniute trip to superdrug to get most of the materials to make a car bomb, the rest are to be found within the car)
4) UK SAS teams prepare sabotage of key lines of communication between mainland America and Alaska
5) Secret negotations with Canada and Mexico allow vast numbers of European troops to be moved there in secret (if the USSR could ship a ICBM to Cuba without the Americans knowing, this is defintely possible)
6) (The strike begins) The lines of communication between Alaska and mainland US are cut and Alaska is annexed
7) British, French and German tanks roll up from Mexico and down from Canada
8) Using the advantage of Proxy the Canadian air force distracts the vast bulk of the American airforce leaving the main airbases to be bombed by the Royal and French Air forces
9) The American Army is in such complete disarray by this time that California is easly taken along with most of the sothern block.
10) While all this has been happening the agents in the houses have been on a rampage, collecting up civilans in prision camps (being treeted well) and using there weapons to take out key communication and infrastructure.
11) Washington is bombed leaving the Whitehouse and Capitol hill intact, demanding American surrender.


A couple ICBM's and Hundreds of Thousands of troops are two different things

1. Your assuming we won't notice the movement of ALL OF EUROPES ARMIES
2. Germany would have to concentrate on eliminating the 2 divisions of American Soldiers that may or may not be still in their countries( would require a good bit of their military)
3. Massive amounts of agents would be needed. If we even catch one, we'd be wisened up.

British, German and French tanks run into Ft. Hood.

We notice the thousands of Tanks in Mexico (you really think you could hide that?)

We notice the thousands of Foreign Aircraft in Canada and Mexico(even harder to hide)

Oh and Alaska wouldn't be as a tough of a nut to crack 173rd Infantry Brigade is up there, and its heavily mountanious(sp?) In a defensive war it would definetly be brutal.

limiting to 3 countries would definetly prevent that scenario from happening as well

By the way has anyone ever seen the old anti commie movie " RED DAWN"

They used commerical jets to get commandos into the country lol

That seems uncannily accurate in the aftermath of 9-11. Maybe we should scour crappy 80s B-movies for more insights into terrorist tactics. Probably be better than relying on the CIA.

Best way to invade the USA? Tough one.

Still, if we all stop watching Hollywood movies and buying PCs the economy will collapse ... nothing actually gets MADE in the USA anymore, it all gets made by 10 year old in Chinese sweatshops, so if we can get China to join the coalition, we've already crippled half the USA's economy. Freeze all assets and leave the economy to fall appart for a few years ... the Pentagon's endless desire to squander money on silly missile sheild projects will do the rest. The USA would have the economic clout of Nuie within a decade. Of course, they would have nuked everyone else before that.

Tactical strikes against key targets, using 'unconventional' 9-11 techniques. As suggested earlier, an alliance with Al queada style fundamentalist loons to provide the suicide bombers ... My enemy's enemy is my friend, or as Churchill said about allying with Stalin against Hitler, if the Devil joined the fight against Hitler, Churchill would give him a positive reference in the House of Commons.

(This, people, was the pragmatic line we should have pursued with Saddam Hussein - whatever else he was, he was no freind of Al Queada. So, by the logic of Bush's "With us or against us" speech, he was on our side)

But a straight forward military invasion of the USA would not work. Lines of communication and reinforcement are too long. Better just to consipre against it to reduce it to a bankrupt third world state, where the individual states will Balkanise and feud amougst themselves ("The South Will Rise Again, Yee-ha!!") and finally someone other than the USA will top the Olympic medal table!!!!!!!!!!

We notice the thousands of Tanks in Mexico (you really think you could hide that?)


You missed an ICBM being shiped to Cuba didnt you? Thats a better idea, ship nuclear material to Canada and take UAV's to carry tatcial nukes below radar detection range and drop them all over the US.

You missed an ICBM being shiped to Cuba didnt you? Thats a better idea, ship nuclear material to Canada and take UAV's to carry tatcial nukes below radar detection range and drop them all over the


US.


How do you think you can hide the movement of that many armored materials and support and compare that to moving a 80-100ft(can't be too much bigger it was an IRBM not an ICBM) missile 42 years ago?

We may have not have noticed the moving but we sure noticed its support and the construction.

our methods are a tad more sophisticated now.

Moving Heavy equipment, Fuel, Spare Parts, Soldiers, Food, etc. IS NOT EASY TO HIDE and on that scale, impossible.

How do you think you can hide the movement of that many armored materials and support and compare that to moving a 80-100ft(can't be too much bigger it was an IRBM not an ICBM) missile 42 years ago?

We may have not have noticed the moving but we sure noticed its support and the construction.

our methods are a tad more sophisticated now.

Moving Heavy equipment, Fuel, Spare Parts, Soldiers, Food, etc. IS NOT EASY TO HIDE and on that scale, impossible.

1) You dont move it all at once, you move the UAV's there on the grounds that you are selling them to the Canadian government (We have the canadian governments backing for said invasion
2) Element of suprise, why would you be expecting an attack on American mainland from your closest ally, The UK? (and some not so close friends, other European nations)
3) The nuclear material would be hardest to ship but it could be done, besides there are nukes in Canada which we could use to base the tech on, canablise them and make thousands of smaller nukes.

Edit: Throw a nuke in here or there and it could be pulled off.

Throw a nuke in there, especially with our current CIC and the whole world is fucked.

That seems uncannily accurate in the aftermath of 9-11. Maybe we should scour crappy 80s B-movies for more insights into terrorist tactics. Probably be better than relying on the CIA.
In that movie the Russkies got their asses kicked by some kids, not exactly inspiring.

1) You dont move it all at once, you move the UAV's there on the grounds that you are selling them to the Canadian government (We have the canadian governments backing for said invasion
2) Element of suprise, why would you be expecting an attack on American mainland from your closest ally, The UK? (and some not so close friends, other European nations)
3) The nuclear material would be hardest to ship but it could be done, besides there are nukes in Canada which we could use to base the tech on, canablise them and make thousands of smaller nukes.


Your UAV's would only bring about massive Nuclear Retaliation. (maybe get our silo's but never would get our subs)

One Ohio Sub(quietest in the world. Period) 8 warheads per missile, 24 missiles. (150 Kiloton I think)

16+ subs. Do the math and count the Casualties, good bye England, France, Germany, Canada, USA and Mexico.

Your scenario just can't happen.


Something would also have to happen in England that would at least give us clues of the invasion.



And back to the troops in Mexico.

A huge army being raised in a border region would be noticed, I'm sure you wouldn't attack a little at a time. And you would probably

here's an interesting question... would the USSR, in its prime, have been able to take the USA - then or now?
nukes aside cos of mutually assured destruction and all...
In a one on one straight up conventional warfare battle, the USSR defeat of the US might have been possible, but with all the allies that the US had, I doubt it. An invasion of either would be out of the question.

It would seem that, according to all these scenarios, the United States has no intelligence community whatsoever.

Your UAV's would only bring about massive Nuclear Retaliation. (maybe get our silo's but never would get our subs)

One Ohio Sub(quietest in the world. Period) 8 warheads per missile, 24 missiles. (150 Kiloton I think)

16+ subs. Do the math and count the Casualties, good bye England, France, Germany, Canada, USA and Mexico.

Your scenario just can't happen.


Something would also have to happen in England that would at least give us clues of the invasion.


UAV's droping their payloads under radar detection would give no clue as to where the bombs came from. Espically if the UAV's were destroyed in the explosion, which they almost certianly would be.

It would seem that, according to all these scenarios, the United States has no intelligence community whatsoever.


oh yeah and they could magically sneak a massive army and hide it in mexico with NO ONE noticing. Nope, no mexicans at all would report it, nor would it be on Mexican news.

Same with the Canadians, I thought they had Free Press.

My guess is most of these scenarios are created by European Teenagers proud of their armies. Nothing wrong with that, I have a lot of respect for Euro Armies, Especially the Bundeswehr. Euro Navies and Air Forces, Eh...... That is a different Story.

Also these scenario writers don't think about supply lines, Communication lines. And don't understand the terrain of the United States and Canada.

I created this thread to see what could come out of the woodwork and to see if anyone could come up with something.

Only possbility is that in the next 20 years, the US navy reduces itself by half while the chinese navy Beefs itself up and becomes a true Blue Water Force. They'd have to take Hawaii away from us. Difficult but not impossible, then landing an invasion force and resupplying is possible if from the Eastern Side we are hit en masse by what remains of the Russian Navy and whatever Blue water Capability Europe can put together. But no, this very unlikely because if someone else, especially a potential enemy(like china) starts building a Carrier Based force(which we have torpedoed politically every carrier they have attempted to buy) we would beef ours back up as well.


I'm not saying we aren't impregnable. But Defeating us Conventionaly would be a very trying task.

Europe flat out cannot do it.

I think the ideas should be put together.


The coalition is formed between the EU, Canada, Mexico, Russia, China and al-Qaeda, the IRA and any other terrorist group that hates the US, as well as viable nation. But, it's a serious of "three-way-handshake" alliances, wherein not everyone seems to be on the same page, but in reality they are.

After the formation, we begin the shipping and movement of arms, troops and other items needed for invasion. Mind you, the US will be watching, so we use decoy units.

While the movement is being done, the terrorist groups form sleeper cells in the states and get jobs in the key industries such as the airlines, security and customs and immigration.

They continue to feed false information to the FBI and CIA, as well as any other American group gathering information. While they are feeding that, they are gathering information about vulnerable points in the US.

Once they have a foothold, then China declared it is imposing sanctions on the US for its violations of treaties and such, and cuts off ALL economic ties to the US. Then slowly around the world, all allies freeze US assets throughout the next week and impose sanctions, embargos or tarrifs.

While all that is happening, there is still troop movement. Troops are moved to strategic points in Canada, Mexico and Cuba. Arab nations begin to mobilise their troops to take American bases in their countries.

After the American economy fails and people are in disarray after another stock market crash, then the process for taking the country begins. It starts with the Arab nations seizing American bases.

Once all foreign bases are taken, then when the troops in Mexico move north, the Japanese take Pearl Harbor - a la 1941. Meanwhile, to the north, the troops solidify the Canadian boarder until the south is taken.

Once the south is taken, then Alaska is taken by the Russians and troops on the American-Canadian boarder use Blitzkrieg to take the northern states. Then, with the mid-states surrounded, we take up bunkers and send in suicide-bombers.

With Washington still in tact, we go to the White House and declare victory.

Does anyone else think I'm insane yet?

UAV's droping their payloads under radar detection would give no clue as to where the bombs came from. Espically if the UAV's were destroyed in the explosion, which they almost certianly would be.

yes but the residue from the explosions would tell us what factories they came from. (the Plutonium residue)

yes but the residue from the explosions would tell us what factories they came from. (the Plutonium residue)
That's a good point. ^_^

I think the ideas should be put together.


The coalition is formed between the EU, Canada, Mexico, Russia, China and al-Qaeda, the IRA and any other terrorist group that hates the US, as well as viable nation. But, it's a serious of "three-way-handshake" alliances, wherein not everyone seems to be on the same page, but in reality they are.

After the formation, we begin the shipping and movement of arms, troops and other items needed for invasion. Mind you, the US will be watching, so we use decoy units.

While the movement is being done, the terrorist groups form sleeper cells in the states and get jobs in the key industries such as the airlines, security and customs and immigration.

They continue to feed false information to the FBI and CIA, as well as any other American group gathering information. While they are feeding that, they are gathering information about vulnerable points in the US.

Once they have a foothold, then China declared it is imposing sanctions on the US for its violations of treaties and such, and cuts off ALL economic ties to the US. Then slowly around the world, all allies freeze US assets throughout the next week and impose sanctions, embargos or tarrifs.

While all that is happening, there is still troop movement. Troops are moved to strategic points in Canada, Mexico and Cuba. Arab nations begin to mobilise their troops to take American bases in their countries.

After the American economy fails and people are in disarray after another stock market crash, then the process for taking the country begins. It starts with the Arab nations seizing American bases.

Once all foreign bases are taken, then when the troops in Mexico move north, the Japanese take Pearl Harbor - a la 1941. Meanwhile, to the north, the troops solidify the Canadian boarder until the south is taken.

Once the south is taken, then Alaska is taken by the Russians and troops on the American-Canadian boarder use Blitzkrieg to take the northern states. Then, with the mid-states surrounded, we take up bunkers and send in suicide-bombers.

With Washington still in tact, we go to the White House and declare victory.

Does anyone else think I'm insane yet?



noooooo the moving of Hundreds of thousands if not millions of soldiers would not give us a clue that something is up, so our navy would definetly NOT move to interdict/cut the movement.

Economically i believe that could happen.


Everyone seems to forget the US navy. And US Intelligence Agencys

That's a good point. ^_^
oh and i meant Reactors not factories.

I think the ideas should be put together.


The coalition is formed between the EU, Canada, Mexico, Russia, China and al-Qaeda, the IRA and any other terrorist group that hates the US, as well as viable nation. But, it's a serious of "three-way-handshake" alliances, wherein not everyone seems to be on the same page, but in reality they are.

After the formation, we begin the shipping and movement of arms, troops and other items needed for invasion. Mind you, the US will be watching, so we use decoy units.

While the movement is being done, the terrorist groups form sleeper cells in the states and get jobs in the key industries such as the airlines, security and customs and immigration.

They continue to feed false information to the FBI and CIA, as well as any other American group gathering information. While they are feeding that, they are gathering information about vulnerable points in the US.

Once they have a foothold, then China declared it is imposing sanctions on the US for its violations of treaties and such, and cuts off ALL economic ties to the US. Then slowly around the world, all allies freeze US assets throughout the next week and impose sanctions, embargos or tarrifs.

While all that is happening, there is still troop movement. Troops are moved to strategic points in Canada, Mexico and Cuba. Arab nations begin to mobilise their troops to take American bases in their countries.

After the American economy fails and people are in disarray after another stock market crash, then the process for taking the country begins. It starts with the Arab nations seizing American bases.

Once all foreign bases are taken, then when the troops in Mexico move north, the Japanese take Pearl Harbor - a la 1941. Meanwhile, to the north, the troops solidify the Canadian boarder until the south is taken.

Once the south is taken, then Alaska is taken by the Russians and troops on the American-Canadian boarder use Blitzkrieg to take the northern states. Then, with the mid-states surrounded, we take up bunkers and send in suicide-bombers.

With Washington still in tact, we go to the White House and declare victory.

Does anyone else think I'm insane yet?

Seems theoretically possible, but it assumes complete American ineptness.

Meanwhile, Australia's down there going WTF mate?

:p


no, I think that if someone did try to invade the USA, It would end up somthing like:
USA
The Poms
Australia
anyone else in Bushies war..

Versus

Everyone else.


The problem is, taht with warfare methods as they are, everyone would be fighting on everyfront....

I havent really got a good idea of the geography of america (Im an Australian) but from what i do know, there are not many spots on teh coastline which arent settled in, which eliminates teh possibility of Naval landing...

and i also think that alot of the americans in this tghread are overconfident of their abbilities...

Its not possible. I'm not trying to be nationalistic here, but it just isn't possible.

Even with all of the solutions mentioned above - the invaders have to face an armed angry populace. Imagine Iraq, on a U.S. scale.

Its not possible. I'm not trying to be nationalistic here, but it just isn't possible.

Even with all of the solutions mentioned above - the invaders have to face an armed angry populace. Imagine Iraq, on a U.S. scale.
all those rednecks....

ph34r

all those rednecks....

ph34r
Just give 'em a couple of cousins to fuck and a bible, and tell them how God loves them and they'll be happy. *giggle* :D yes, I'm joking about the cousin part.

It requires the elimination of land based ICBMs and/or ICBM command and control in the first minutes of the attack. This means seaborne, Mexican or Canadian cruise missle or UAV nuclear attack on Centcom, NORAD and silos. Alternatively suicide squad infiltration and attacks. Elimination of satellites - spy and GPS.

Once American ICBM capabilities have been degraded a massive ICBM nuclear strike launched against all US military facilities worldwide. Probable also strikes against DC and suburbs.

Now agressor is ready to commence invasion. Any pockets of resistance to be crushed using all means possible.


This is the cold war plan revisited - with the added bonus that currently American ICBMs are not targetted at any one nation.

Any attack of this magnitude would require Russian ICBM capabilities. So Russia is the only nation capable of invading the USA.

The US-Mexico border is unstable enough already, the Mexicans could launch a few missiles at it to distract the US military. They would storm mexico, and now we have the US armed forces stretched around the globe, with all the men in Iraq and the strong presence now now in Mexico, the Canadiens and the Russians could move on northern America and Alaska. After a while the US would finaly get the point and pull outa Iraq and defend their OWN country and the canadiens would be pushed back. Alaska would fall eventualy and Maine, New York and those other places would be held for awhile, before a half thousand soilders still in desert camoflouge storme through the woods and shot up all the bad guys. I think the only way to take the US i a whoile pile of nuclear missiles, and even then the countries that launched them would get nukes themselves, just dosent seem likley...

I've read many different scenarios about invading the US and have thought of as many as possible and have reached the conclusion that it is impossible. Using conventional tactics anyway.

The US Navy is 55% of the world's naval force and has nine carriers. The US is also the only country with modern battleships that could be used.

The American industry is the most powerful in the world and if it needed to it could pump out hundreds of thousands of tanks per week.

In an conventional war, invasion of the US is impossible, there's no point in even arguing it.

In an conventional war, invasion of the US is impossible, there's no point in even arguing it.

True - need nukes by the bucketful.

Or need all of South America to migrate to Florida.

The invasion of the US requires a simultaneous strick on all hangars, carriers, and anything else supporting American warplanes.

From there, nukes would need to hit Washington, New York, L.A., and some dipshitty town in the heartland to scare the populace from forming a militia.

After the Nuclear annihililation, SCUDs from makeshift launching bases in Canada, Cuba, North Korea, and France would take out the armoured divisions left.

Then, all of the Al-Qaeda, IRA, and anybody else that hates the United States would need to move in on the north, (low number of gun-owners) and take Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, and anything else that can be taken by the terrorist cells. :mp5:

Then, it is only a matter of getting the proper aircraft into unprotected American airspace to strafe infantry and secure all of the Stingers, RPGs and anything that can be used against aircraft so that total air superiority can be achieved. These aircraft would come from airstrips in the Florida everglades where they are hard to find by the average shmo.

That's how i would think it would have to work anyways, from a militaristic standpoint.

From an economic standpoint, it is also possible to utterly destroy the US.

Given the new strength of China's economy, it is not unreasonable to assume the possibility of China and Japan combining to buy out all major American business. After this, the Chinese government, being authoritarian, and the Japanese government, not having the military strength to repel a Chinese invasion, would close all plants, seize all assets, and generally fuck up American business by crippling their biggest industries.

Everyone seems to forget the US navy. And US Intelligence Agencys

Given the sorry state of the US intelligence service, it is not THAT difficult to sneak troops into these countries and areas undetected, furthermore, no-one is speaking of simply massing troops at the border, the majority of my plan involves taking out most of the forces b4 they can intercept the relatively small army needed only for securing the gun nuts that would kill them.

Onto the navy: despite having nukes, by avoiding a centralized command or city to occupy, these nukes would be mostly ineffective. The Navy is also restricted to the water, so as long as the coalition troops are far enough inland, they can worry about the US navy another day.

Another thing, no nuking of Washington, Canada gets to burn down the White House again :p .

You should check out Eric L. Harry's novel Invasion for a fairly good scenario.

Any invasion of the continental US woulkd be impossible now. China is a possibility in maybe 20 years, at the soonest.

Onto the navy: despite having nukes, by avoiding a centralized command or city to occupy, these nukes would be mostly ineffective. The Navy is also restricted to the water, so as long as the coalition troops are far enough inland, they can worry about the US navy another day.

It's capable of operating within a 1,500 miles radius if it has a single AWAC plane up. Simply put, the Navy is NOT restricted to water. Even more if airborne tankers can be secured.

conquering the US is easy.simply use its greatest weakness against it.

A.the EU and china must freeze all american assets,and no longer trade with the US.
B.the middle east must do the same.
C.wait one year.

boom,US annilated.

I could lay out a whole load of how to bring on the collapse of the US, but I won't post it in case FBI agents are watching. (Come and get me if you want, I won't talk.)

Given the sorry state of the US intelligence service, it is not THAT difficult to sneak troops into these countries and areas undetected, furthermore, no-one is speaking of simply massing troops at the border, the majority of my plan involves taking out most of the forces b4 they can intercept the relatively small army needed only for securing the gun nuts that would kill them.

Onto the navy: despite having nukes, by avoiding a centralized command or city to occupy, these nukes would be mostly ineffective. The Navy is also restricted to the water, so as long as the coalition troops are far enough inland, they can worry about the US navy another day.

Another thing, no nuking of Washington, Canada gets to burn down the White House again :p .


So how small an army would you need to secure the gun nuts in a 290 million population nation?


And there is no way you'll get all Reserve and National Guard Armories as well.

If you say 100,000+ then there is no frickin way you can hide that many, you just can't.

" Then, all of the Al-Qaeda, IRA, and anybody else that hates the United States would need to move in on the north, (low number of gun-owners) and take Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, and anything else that can be taken by the terrorist cells. "

You don't know much about Iowa, Minnesota and Wisconsin then. Plenty of Gun owners out there. It's mostly farm land as well and you know what? Those states will have guns, especially hunters. And the IRA probably doesn't hate the US with as much of their funding they get from that.


The only way your plan would work is everything went off flawlessy and instead of people for the population, there were cows.

One nuke going off would not scare militias, it would friggin piss us off. You know how many national Guard and Reserve Armories there are? At least one or 2 in every County. Full of all sorts of military goodies. The Armored Units ones have tanks. We'll have Helicopters, Tanks, Aircraft, Plenty of Humvees and plenty of Americans have served before and they would likely rise up to defend their nation.


Good Fuckin Luck.

Try again.

Most Europeans and Canadians posting here are so nationalistic that their posts aren't very well thought out or make much sense.

If the EU, China, Japan, and Russia all went to war with the US an invasion will still be impossible. They would never make it past the US Navy.

The couple of American divisions that are stationed in Germany are enough to defeat the German military alone.

Someone mentioned that the US Intelligence was in a sorry state? Actually the US CIA is the best funded intelligence organization in the world and has more technology at their disposal than the MI6 or the Mossad.

It's just not possible using conventional methods.

This thread is just wasting space.

You're all underestimating the power of the Senegalese Coast Guard. They hold all the cards, politically as well as militarily speaking. Anyone who disagrees with that is just plain ignorant.

Or maybe everyone could just stamp "I'm an idiot" on their forehead, rave about the glory of Communism for a bit and then sit back and watch the oppressed masses rise up in the apocalyptic inevitability that is the final destination of capitalism.

Best US invasion plan that I can think of.

As I stated before, the only way this could be done is EVERY single nation united underthe sole purpose of invading America. There could be no hidden agendas or power sturggles, all politicol and social ideals would have to shunned in order to achieve such a goal. That is why it is EXTREMELY unlikely, if not impossible.
Bullshit. Terrorists with some nation taking advantage of a weakened USA. Funny thing is it's already happened...

conquering the US is easy.simply use its greatest weakness against it.

A.the EU and china must freeze all american assets,and no longer trade with the US.
B.the middle east must do the same.
C.wait one year.

boom,US annilated.

Boom, they have absolutely no incentive to do that whatsoever - boom.
Boom, international trade operates through corporations irrespective of national identity so this would not work - boom.
Boom, this thread is really lame - boom.

Most Europeans and Canadians posting here are so nationalistic that their posts aren't very well thought out or make much sense.

If the EU, China, Japan, and Russia all went to war with the US an invasion will still be impossible. They would never make it past the US Navy.

The couple of American divisions that are stationed in Germany are enough to defeat the German military alone.

Someone mentioned that the US Intelligence was in a sorry state? Actually the US CIA is the best funded intelligence organization in the world and has more technology at their disposal than the MI6 or the Mossad.

It's just not possible using conventional methods.

This thread is just wasting space.
No but this post is. Think about it. Dirty weapons. One armed forces versus another it is unlikely but with the way world opinion is towards the United States it is entirely possible. Any other thought is suicide by ignorance.

Boom, they have absolutely no incentive to do that whatsoever - boom.
Boom, international trade operates through corporations irrespective of national identity so this would not work - boom.
Boom, this thread is really lame - boom.
Boom. You posted here. Duh. Boom.

It probably would be possible, but a huge coalition would be needed. But if a large enough military does it..... the U.S. busy commercial coastline would easily be thrown into dissaray, and easy to take. They could go straight for Washington....

:fluffle: :mp5:

Not if the Senegalese Coast Guard had something to say about it!

Given the sorry state of the US intelligence service, it is not THAT difficult to sneak troops into these countries and areas undetected, furthermore, no-one is speaking of simply massing troops at the border, the majority of my plan involves taking out most of the forces b4 they can intercept the relatively small army needed only for securing the gun nuts that would kill them.

Onto the navy: despite having nukes, by avoiding a centralized command or city to occupy, these nukes would be mostly ineffective. The Navy is also restricted to the water, so as long as the coalition troops are far enough inland, they can worry about the US navy another day.

Another thing, no nuking of Washington, Canada gets to burn down the White House again :p .

the Navy is restricted to the water?? the Navy has a huge air defense system. some of the best fighters in the world are in the navy

Hate to break it to you, guys, but it's pretty much impossible. Nuke us, and we nuke you back 10x as much. Massive invasion is the only viable option if you want a chance and thats impossible with intelligence and the navy. You just can't do it unless you want to launch a falkland-islands-like invasion of puerto rico.

Not if the Senegalese Coast Guard had something to say about it!

What if he's off that day?

Another thing, no nuking of Washington, Canada gets to burn down the White House again

What revisionist history textbook have you been reading?

What if he's off that day?
Then you send in the Senegalese Coast Guard Reserves, unless she's sick. :p

the Navy is restricted to the water?? the Navy has a huge air defense system. some of the best fighters in the world are in the navy

Noted, i forgot about the SEALs and the aircraft that the navy have. Still, by getting the carriers, and maintaining air superiority long enough to destroy all of America's airstrips that wouldn't be that difficult. Then the fighter-bombers can just strafe the AEGIS cruisers and the like and all that is left is . . . well the nuclear subs and a can of whoop ass, but hey! no plan is perfect, right?

Someone, sry i didn't check ur name, also stated that it would be impossible to secure all of the ammo dumps and national guard bases. Even if there are a lot of these in the States (you are making this very difficult :mad: :p ) North Korea's cash crop is missiles, and Pakistan and Iran have nukes and tons of missiles that have been pointed at India and the US for god knows how long and are just waiting for a new crazy dictator to use them.

Given how spread thin the United States armed forces are as I make this post, as long as this invasion is done quickly and as efficiently as I (hopefully) earlier posted, the transports carrying American troops back from South Korea, Iraq, and Afghanistan could be theoretically shot down by North Korean STA (is that the right abbreviation for surface to air?) (am i using too many brackets?) missiles and aircraft, Iranian Migs and STA missiles, and Chinese fighter-craft.

The key element to this invasion is not winning through strength of arms, because nobody can, as has been posted, it is through amputating those thosands of arms so that it does not take a coalition of the uber to take down the behemoth that is the United States armed forces. I realize that there are a LOT of Americans with a LOT of guns, and that is what the Chinese and ,*sigh*, French militaries are for.

This plan can work, it just requires that nobody helps the US. Third World North Vietnam took down the United States during the height of the Cold War, so could a coalition with weaponry that exceeds phosphorus grenades and AK-47s - Think :mp5: --> :sniper:

What revisionist history textbook have you been reading?

Benjamin Franklin took a troop to Canada during the war of 1812 and was driven back (this was b4 our military consisted of a TON of maple syrup :p ) to Washington where the Canadian soldiers set fire to the White House. Dolly Madison managed to save a portrait of George Washington which is why there is a burn mark at the bottom of the canvas. True story, look it up.

We derive a tiny bit of pride from that incident :rolleyes:

" Then, all of the Al-Qaeda, IRA, and anybody else that hates the United States would need to move in on the north, (low number of gun-owners) and take Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, and anything else that can be taken by the terrorist cells. "

You don't know much about Iowa, Minnesota and Wisconsin then. Plenty of Gun owners out there. It's mostly farm land as well and you know what? Those states will have guns, especially hunters. And the IRA probably doesn't hate the US with as much of their funding they get from that.

Part of the idea of taking the farming states is the openness of them. It helps to be able to make makeshift airstrips in enemy territory, it is also very far inland, making it somewhat more difficult to hit them with the navy. Does Minnesota really have a lot of guns? i thought that it was considered "The North", or is that just like New York?

Then you send in the Senegalese Coast Guard Reserves, unless she's sick. :p



Exactly! You have to wake up pretty early to fool those Senegalese, they are a pretty clever lot.

i think america fears being invaded by aliens more than any countries. and im betting the aliens would make mince meat of us. :eek:

i think america fears being invaded by aliens more than any countries. and im betting the aliens would make mince meat of us. :eek:

or that . . . that would work

Benjamin Franklin took a troop to Canada during the war of 1812 and was driven back (this was b4 our military consisted of a TON of maple syrup :p ) to Washington where the Canadian soldiers set fire to the White House. Dolly Madison managed to save a portrait of George Washington which is why there is a burn mark at the bottom of the canvas. True story, look it up.

We derive a tiny bit of pride from that incident :rolleyes:

Benjamin Franklin died in 1790. You made that story up.

Also the Canadians didn't burn down the White House, the British did.

five words: Massive Fleet of Aircraft Carriers.

Nobody even comes close to rivaling US airpower, which is something you'd HAVE TO DO in order to even get troops on the ground.

Benjamin Franklin died in 1790. You made that story up.

Also the Canadians didn't burn down the White House, the British did.

wrong historical figure, couldn't remember too well (it's late here) but the british CAME from Canada. So you can see what i mean by Canada burning the White House. I mean, we weren't even a nation back then :rolleyes:

by the way, i didn't make that story up, it's all true except the Ben Franklin thing, check it, seriously. It's not revisionist history if it is true. And by the way, cut me some slack, I learned this stuff like a year ago.

P.S. Canadians, don't deny the existance of your secret army. We all know it's there.

Oh, so that's where all the healthcare money goes! :D

My plan:

Group around 5-10 nations together (Canada, Mexico, Russia and Cuba primary, plus Japan, China, The entire EU, and that's enough.)

Kill their economy (Tarrafs, trade embargos, etc.)

Acquire 50 000 tactical long range nuclear weapons secretly. The Russians are good for that, plus we can just take them from all the other nuke states.

Take out New York, L.A., Washington (well, maybe not), etc. All the populus and economic cities. Plus millitary bases. They all must be launched smultaniously (sp, tired), otherwise they'll have a way to prevent it. Then just walk in from Canada and Mexico. Just kill anyone who opposes you.

(Just because I'm tired and had too much caffine:)

American economic losses and costs of invation: 2.654 trillion dollars
Allied economic costs of invation: 987 billion dollars
The feeling of droping 5 nuclear weapons on a major US city: priceless

There are somethings money can't buy. For everything else, there's the World Bank.

Bumpzie!

America's defences are in order of effectiveness:

ICBM implied annihilation threat.

Nuclear launch submarines moderate strength annihilation threat.

Spy and milint satelittes.


If ICBMs can be degraded by suicide, UAV or possibly infomation systems attack. And satellites then eliminated whilst America trys to figure out who attacked the ICBMs.

All that remains as a threat are the subs - and without satellite targetting they are not highly effective.

Therefore a large ICBM attack at this point would be devastating on the US defences. Military bases to be targeted.

To be effective this would have to be done to a tight schedule, under 1 day.

After elimination of most major military installations humanitarian aid should be offered to the remaining population to be delivered by ground troops.


About the navy. All surface ships are simply floating targets and can be destroyed either by submarine attack, airpower or cruise missile.

I think that China could single handedly defeat the USA if it came to all-out war.

I think that China could single handedly defeat the USA if it came to all-out war.

China's navy and air force cannot match the US on any field. They cannot launch project any kind of power onto the US. They lose.

we canadians couldn't attack the U.S., but if BUsh keeps ruling the U.S. the way he is, we won't have to. George Bush is running The United States of America into the ground, soon enough the american dollar will be less then ours,(we've been rising steadily since the war on Iraq started). Now lets review, Before clinton, bad economy, after clinto, good economy, bush takes over, all hell breaks loose. WHAT HAPPENED TO ALL THE HARD WORK CLINTON PUT INTO THE "WORLDS GREATEST NATION"? huh, any of you bush supporters out there want to deny that bush sent your economy to hell, i didn't think so. I'm not saying all canadians feel the way i do, but ALL the people i know do.

Proud Canadian

PS: and by the way i don't live in an igloo, or know joe from Toronto, and no i'm not a lumberjack, but yeah, hockey is the greatest sport on the planet.

LONG LIVE CANADA

screw this, there's no way the US could be invaded now that I'm in the military.. RAAAWR!!!!

Benjamin Franklin took a troop to Canada during the war of 1812 and was driven back (this was b4 our military consisted of a TON of maple syrup ) to Washington where the Canadian soldiers set fire to the White House. Dolly Madison managed to save a portrait of George Washington which is why there is a burn mark at the bottom of the canvas. True story, look it up.

Wow....nice history you learn.

1) The British were in Canada to suppress a Canadian rebellion like the US did. Canadians hated the British, and many actually fought England in the War of 1812. The British planned to burn Washington to payback the US for burning down the British Capitol in Canada. Funny thing is, Americans never touched it. Yup, you guessed it, the CANADIANS burned it down. Maybe you should ask your teacher about the Upper Canada Massacres and subsequent UC Rebellion, which further led to the 1837 Rebellion, which led to Canada being formed in 1867.

2) The war was 99% a Naval one, fought over supply lines the US were providing to the French in the Penninsula war. England illegally blockaded US ships, thus leading to conflict.

3) In 1814 the British sailed warships up the Patuxent River and landed 4,500 Marines to burn the Presidents Residence. It was not the Whitehouse at the time, because it was not white yet. Much of the wooden structure burned, leaving the blackened stone portions. To cover this up, eveything was painted white, this giving us the Whitehouse.

Do you see how history actually happened? Please try to learn some of it before you make up wild stories about dead guys attacking Canada.

Who needs foreigners? We Americans are probably going to just destroy ourselves.

hmm, how to invade the US. Not by military means. no, it would be slowly. first send waves after waves of people who "want" to become citizens. then slowly use their Freedoms against them. proclaim that I don't want to say the Pledge of Alliegence because it's against my religion... or something. that will undermine the Patriotism of the average citizen. Scream Racial Discrimination or Racial Profiling when ever someone "not caucasian" is bothered by the law. (weather or not they're guilty is not an issue) this will keep the people divided. Find the popular religion and attack it. any phrase that supports that religion is targetted as an attack against my freedom to worship. Use their lawyers... after all, all they really want is the limelight and the money... this will undermine their Moral fiber... make them easier to be corrupted... or even swayed to your point of view.

Force my culture on them, and scream discrimination when they try to force anything on me... like speaking/reading/writing english. this will help break down their sense of self. support groups that help achieve any of these goals, that will speed up the process and place any and all blame on them and thus leave my people free to continue. break up youth charater-building orgainizations saying they are faciststs... this will make their youth corruptable and gullible. slowly alter their teaching curriculum... those that don't learn History well can fall for past traps. Use their Consistution and Laws to further widen the gaps between everyone by their differences.

then place my people (who are now natural born citizens) into offices of power (Surpreme court Judges and such) so they can corrupt the laws and oppose the Federal Government. this will sow chaos and desention... accelerating the breakdown. Violently and Loudly oppose anyone who tries to rebuild the moral fiber of America. if all is done right, many of their own citizens will join in leaving more of my people free and out of any jails or federal Investigation.

Yeah, will take years... decades even... but for the greater good, we can wait. :D

I want a straight Militaristic Discussion. Politics aside, who could and how would they or a Coalition Invade the United States.


It is a possiblity but it has to be done right and I'm up for proposals.


Trolling as allways, kiddo :rolleyes:
Your such a loser. :gundge:

And you bet we'd Intern Anyone and everyone that could be muslim. (starting with Arabs, then South Asians that can't prove their Hindu or Buddhist or whatever. Either way we'd do it)

So, when do you start interning all the whiteys that could be Muslim (ie. just about all of them)?

Problem with Al quadea is they don't look like us that much so large scale sleeper cells would be knocked out under such a crisis.

Define 'us'.

From a strictly militaristic and doctrinal standpoint, an invasion of the United States of America is impossible.

Pacific Theater
First off, any movement by India, China, Japan, or Eastern Russia would be tracked by the Early Warning Systems in the Alaskan Islands (Whatever the hell they're called -- Alutian, or some spelling variation of that).

Also, ya'll are forgetting Guam. That hosts United States Pacific Strategic Air Command (read as: Stealth bombers, Stratofortresses, and nukes, oh my!). You'd never get passed Guam.

From the Pacific standpoint alone (and assuming you got passed Guam), you would then have to deal with the entire USPACFLT -- which is big. REAL big. Oh yeah, you hit Guam, all of the nuclear assets there would be launched so the Aisan/Russian colilition doesn't get their hands on them, so MAD comes to play. Lets ignore nukes for right now.

Another Pearl Harbor at this point would be impossible. With the US now owning all those islands in the Pacific, the surprise would be ruined in an instant. Mind you, the Pacific Ocean is no small lake, either -- the US would have plenty of time to counter any threat put on by them.


Continental Theater
Okay, you have two places to come in to: Canada and Mexico. Both nations by themselves have no military worth mentioning, so you would need allies to come in from there.

Troops would be able to come in from the undefended borders in Mexico, but they would have to come maybe five at a time and hope they're not caught by the border guards. If they are, the stealth is blown. Regardless, though, the shipment of troops from ANYWHERE into Mexico would be noticed. No stealth.

Canada: same thing as Mexico, except the US has military bases in Canada. Not good for Canada. All the US needs to do is mobilize them and ransack Toronto and basically eliminate Canada from the world map.

Assuming you DO get through to mainland US, staying there would be too hard. Not just the National Guard, but the gun totin' uberpatriotic bible thumpers (who I am proud to be one) are some of the best shots in the world, IMNSHO. If anything, you WOULD want to invade from the north -- specifically New England. A lot of big cities are up there, and most if not all major cities in the United States outlaw guns, so you wouldn't have a raging populace to attack you. Regardless, though, once you get past New York, you hit New Jersey and Pennsylvania, in which case you are genuinely Effed, as PA and NJ DON'T have gun laws, as do none of the states outside New England until you hit the Left...er, West Coast. You'll never make it past New York. Besides, West Point is there, and I'm sure lots of cadets are willing to show off to their teachers on how many bastards they can kill.

Atlantic Theater
Here's where the fun starts. First off, one of the Army bases in Germany (will not tell you which one) is the HQ to Delta Force. Also, we've got armor there -- LOTS of armor. All within walking distance of Berlin, and a day's travel to just about any other captital in Middle Europe. And, you can just pick up a German and ask for directions to Paris. They'll point you to the nearest military museum. There you can find Hitler's photo album when he toured Paris. There should be a map or two somewhere. (Had to throw a French joke in there)

Germany here is screwed, on the most part. THis is where the US has the majority of troops stationed in Europe. All the US has to do is do like the Germans and takeover France (from German territory -- that would be the fourth or fifth time that happened). After this, Blitzkreig London, and move across the Channel. Britain probably doesn't have the Wall of Fire anymore, but you probably want to check it out first.

Oh wait, this is about the impossibility of invading America, not America's takeover of Europe. Sorry. ;)

Part of the idea of taking the farming states is the openness of them. It helps to be able to make makeshift airstrips in enemy territory, it is also very far inland, making it somewhat more difficult to hit them with the navy. Does Minnesota really have a lot of guns? i thought that it was considered "The North", or is that just like New York?
Actaully I am a MN native and current resident and the gun ownership here is very very high....Yuo could not get further south then Duluth which is on the Great Lakes ( and well defended by the Great LAkes Naval Base ....it is not just a training center)

Noted, i forgot about the SEALs and the aircraft that the navy have. Still, by getting the carriers, and maintaining air superiority long enough to destroy all of America's airstrips that wouldn't be that difficult. Then the fighter-bombers can just strafe the AEGIS cruisers and the like and all that is left is . . . well the nuclear subs and a can of whoop ass, but hey! no plan is perfect, right?

Someone, sry i didn't check ur name, also stated that it would be impossible to secure all of the ammo dumps and national guard bases. Even if there are a lot of these in the States (you are making this very difficult :mad: :p ) North Korea's cash crop is missiles, and Pakistan and Iran have nukes and tons of missiles that have been pointed at India and the US for god knows how long and are just waiting for a new crazy dictator to use them.

Given how spread thin the United States armed forces are as I make this post, as long as this invasion is done quickly and as efficiently as I (hopefully) earlier posted, the transports carrying American troops back from South Korea, Iraq, and Afghanistan could be theoretically shot down by North Korean STA (is that the right abbreviation for surface to air?) (am i using too many brackets?) missiles and aircraft, Iranian Migs and STA missiles, and Chinese fighter-craft.

The key element to this invasion is not winning through strength of arms, because nobody can, as has been posted, it is through amputating those thosands of arms so that it does not take a coalition of the uber to take down the behemoth that is the United States armed forces. I realize that there are a LOT of Americans with a LOT of guns, and that is what the Chinese and ,*sigh*, French militaries are for.

This plan can work, it just requires that nobody helps the US. Third World North Vietnam took down the United States during the height of the Cold War, so could a coalition with weaponry that exceeds phosphorus grenades and AK-47s - Think :mp5: --> :sniper:
Just use SA and yes way too many brackets...LOL

we canadians couldn't attack the U.S., but if BUsh keeps ruling the U.S. the way he is, we won't have to. George Bush is running The United States of America into the ground, soon enough the american dollar will be less then ours,(we've been rising steadily since the war on Iraq started). Now lets review, Before clinton, bad economy, after clinto, good economy, bush takes over, all hell breaks loose. WHAT HAPPENED TO ALL THE HARD WORK CLINTON PUT INTO THE "WORLDS GREATEST NATION"? huh, any of you bush supporters out there want to deny that bush sent your economy to hell, i didn't think so. I'm not saying all canadians feel the way i do, but ALL the people i know do.

Proud Canadian

PS: and by the way i don't live in an igloo, or know joe from Toronto, and no i'm not a lumberjack, but yeah, hockey is the greatest sport on the planet.
First this was not supposed to get political and the economy was on the wy down long before the Bush Admin took over...
I am glad you are a proud Canadien I am a proud American and I got news for anyone who thinks this would work....Armed Citizenry! You can not fight us...You simply can't take us all out....
LONG LIVE CANADA
First off the economy was on the way down before the Bush Admin came in and this was not supposed to get political.....
Secondly you can not take on the armed citizenry of the USA...We would fight you every inch...It can not happen...You want to see Americans come together despite political differences...Invade the US and we would no longer see party lines just Unity....

From a strictly militaristic and doctrinal standpoint, an invasion of the United States of America is impossible.

Pacific Theater
First off, any movement by India, China, Japan, or Eastern Russia would be tracked by the Early Warning Systems in the Alaskan Islands (Whatever the hell they're called -- Alutian, or some spelling variation of that).

Also, ya'll are forgetting Guam. That hosts United States Pacific Strategic Air Command (read as: Stealth bombers, Stratofortresses, and nukes, oh my!). You'd never get passed Guam.

From the Pacific standpoint alone (and assuming you got passed Guam), you would then have to deal with the entire USPACFLT -- which is big. REAL big. Oh yeah, you hit Guam, all of the nuclear assets there would be launched so the Aisan/Russian colilition doesn't get their hands on them, so MAD comes to play. Lets ignore nukes for right now.

Another Pearl Harbor at this point would be impossible. With the US now owning all those islands in the Pacific, the surprise would be ruined in an instant. Mind you, the Pacific Ocean is no small lake, either -- the US would have plenty of time to counter any threat put on by them.


Continental Theater
Okay, you have two places to come in to: Canada and Mexico. Both nations by themselves have no military worth mentioning, so you would need allies to come in from there.

Troops would be able to come in from the undefended borders in Mexico, but they would have to come maybe five at a time and hope they're not caught by the border guards. If they are, the stealth is blown. Regardless, though, the shipment of troops from ANYWHERE into Mexico would be noticed. No stealth.

Canada: same thing as Mexico, except the US has military bases in Canada. Not good for Canada. All the US needs to do is mobilize them and ransack Toronto and basically eliminate Canada from the world map.

Assuming you DO get through to mainland US, staying there would be too hard. Not just the National Guard, but the gun totin' uberpatriotic bible thumpers (who I am proud to be one) are some of the best shots in the world, IMNSHO. If anything, you WOULD want to invade from the north -- specifically New England. A lot of big cities are up there, and most if not all major cities in the United States outlaw guns, so you wouldn't have a raging populace to attack you. Regardless, though, once you get past New York, you hit New Jersey and Pennsylvania, in which case you are genuinely Effed, as PA and NJ DON'T have gun laws, as do none of the states outside New England until you hit the Left...er, West Coast. You'll never make it past New York. Besides, West Point is there, and I'm sure lots of cadets are willing to show off to their teachers on how many bastards they can kill.

Atlantic Theater
Here's where the fun starts. First off, one of the Army bases in Germany (will not tell you which one) is the HQ to Delta Force. Also, we've got armor there -- LOTS of armor. All within walking distance of Berlin, and a day's travel to just about any other captital in Middle Europe. And, you can just pick up a German and ask for directions to Paris. They'll point you to the nearest military museum. There you can find Hitler's photo album when he toured Paris. There should be a map or two somewhere. (Had to throw a French joke in there)

Germany here is screwed, on the most part. THis is where the US has the majority of troops stationed in Europe. All the US has to do is do like the Germans and takeover France (from German territory -- that would be the fourth or fifth time that happened). After this, Blitzkreig London, and move across the Channel. Britain probably doesn't have the Wall of Fire anymore, but you probably want to check it out first.

Oh wait, this is about the impossibility of invading America, not America's takeover of Europe. Sorry. ;)
I am with you on all of this but I must correct something you said...The European Delta Force Task Force Command Center is Germany but the Delta Hq is actaully in Fort Bragg North Carolina.... :p ....I was there with the 82nd airborne Div. We worked with these guys all the time...They rock....

Anyone else, or just about any combination of multiple others, would be the underdog by a long shot and have no chance at success. But we didn't have chance when the colonies went to war against England for independence. Never count out the imppossilbe.

Anyone else, or just about any combination of multiple others, would be the underdog by a long shot and have no chance at success. But we didn't have chance when the colonies went to war against England for independence. Never count out the imppossilbe.But we recieved help from all of the other WORLD POWERS (at that time anyway) and we didn't invade England... They invaded US.

But we recieved help from all of the other WORLD POWERS (at that time anyway) and we didn't invade England... They invaded US.

I know we didn't invade them, but they didn't invade us either. THey were already here. And I know we recieved aid. I am simply using this as an example, money, technology, and numbers mean jack. Look at the numbers we still should of had our heads handed to us. There was also a roughly equal portion of our own population that was pro-british. That doesn't help the numbers any. I am not being un-patriotic (not intetionally, just saying anything is possible.

I know we didn't invade them, but they didn't invade us either. THey were already here. And I know we recieved aid. I am simply using this as an example, money, technology, and numbers mean jack. Look at the numbers we still should of had our heads handed to us. There was also a roughly equal portion of our own population that was pro-british. That doesn't help the numbers any. I am not being un-patriotic (not intetionally, just saying anything is possible.Actually they did. They increased the Garrisons to quell the American Scoundrels, and sent in more troops and blockaded us. Then also, for that time, it was easier to Isolate a nation than now.

BTW.. Never called you Unpatriotic... sorry if that was implied. and I do agree with you... anything is possible.

From a strictly militaristic and doctrinal standpoint, an invasion of the United States of America is impossible.

Pacific Theater
First off, any movement by India, China, Japan, or Eastern Russia would be tracked by the Early Warning Systems in the Alaskan Islands (Whatever the hell they're called -- Alutian, or some spelling variation of that).

Also, ya'll are forgetting Guam. That hosts United States Pacific Strategic Air Command (read as: Stealth bombers, Stratofortresses, and nukes, oh my!). You'd never get passed Guam.

From the Pacific standpoint alone (and assuming you got passed Guam), you would then have to deal with the entire USPACFLT -- which is big. REAL big. Oh yeah, you hit Guam, all of the nuclear assets there would be launched so the Aisan/Russian colilition doesn't get their hands on them, so MAD comes to play. Lets ignore nukes for right now.

Another Pearl Harbor at this point would be impossible. With the US now owning all those islands in the Pacific, the surprise would be ruined in an instant. Mind you, the Pacific Ocean is no small lake, either -- the US would have plenty of time to counter any threat put on by them.


Continental Theater
Okay, you have two places to come in to: Canada and Mexico. Both nations by themselves have no military worth mentioning, so you would need allies to come in from there.

Troops would be able to come in from the undefended borders in Mexico, but they would have to come maybe five at a time and hope they're not caught by the border guards. If they are, the stealth is blown. Regardless, though, the shipment of troops from ANYWHERE into Mexico would be noticed. No stealth.

Canada: same thing as Mexico, except the US has military bases in Canada. Not good for Canada. All the US needs to do is mobilize them and ransack Toronto and basically eliminate Canada from the world map.

Assuming you DO get through to mainland US, staying there would be too hard. Not just the National Guard, but the gun totin' uberpatriotic bible thumpers (who I am proud to be one) are some of the best shots in the world, IMNSHO. If anything, you WOULD want to invade from the north -- specifically New England. A lot of big cities are up there, and most if not all major cities in the United States outlaw guns, so you wouldn't have a raging populace to attack you. Regardless, though, once you get past New York, you hit New Jersey and Pennsylvania, in which case you are genuinely Effed, as PA and NJ DON'T have gun laws, as do none of the states outside New England until you hit the Left...er, West Coast. You'll never make it past New York. Besides, West Point is there, and I'm sure lots of cadets are willing to show off to their teachers on how many bastards they can kill.

Atlantic Theater
Here's where the fun starts. First off, one of the Army bases in Germany (will not tell you which one) is the HQ to Delta Force. Also, we've got armor there -- LOTS of armor. All within walking distance of Berlin, and a day's travel to just about any other captital in Middle Europe. And, you can just pick up a German and ask for directions to Paris. They'll point you to the nearest military museum. There you can find Hitler's photo album when he toured Paris. There should be a map or two somewhere. (Had to throw a French joke in there)

Germany here is screwed, on the most part. THis is where the US has the majority of troops stationed in Europe. All the US has to do is do like the Germans and takeover France (from German territory -- that would be the fourth or fifth time that happened). After this, Blitzkreig London, and move across the Channel. Britain probably doesn't have the Wall of Fire anymore, but you probably want to check it out first.

Oh wait, this is about the impossibility of invading America, not America's takeover of Europe. Sorry. ;)

First of all you cannot ignore nukes. Nukes would be the defining characteristic in any Euro/China/Russia v. US war. It is all very well to talk about bases and troop concentrations, however these are really just large static targets.

Secondly (even ignoring nukes :mad: ) a tank advance by isolated US forces deep in hostile Euro territory is total suicide. Sure US armour looks great against 20 year old, non-maintained Iraqi T-72s, but against British, French, German eurofighters, harriers and attack helicopters - really just large slow moving targets. In any potential conflict those troops can either be withdrawn or sacrificed.

You could always just have a big nuclear war, and then hope that the Iron Masters can defeat the Amtraks and First Family and mutants. Of course, I never read most of those books, so I don't know if they could.

I am with you on all of this but I must correct something you said...The European Delta Force Task Force Command Center is Germany but the Delta Hq is actaully in Fort Bragg North Carolina.... :p ....I was there with the 82nd airborne Div. We worked with these guys all the time...They rock....

I was ignoring Fort Bragg for the vey reason it is SOCOM headquarters, so obviously its main section is there, along with SEALs, Rangers, and a hell of a lot of other things I'm not allowed to say in public.

And I know Delta Force rocks.

One thing about them that is stupid, though. They officially do not exist, but everyone knows about them.

By the way, I've seen 346836409386 different versions of their coat of arms, per se. Exactly what is their "seal?" (If they have one.)

First of all you cannot ignore nukes. Nukes would be the defining characteristic in any Euro/China/Russia v. US war. It is all very well to talk about bases and troop concentrations, however these are really just large static targets.

I said I was ignoring nuclear weapons for the very reason everyone knows it would spark Nuclear Armageddon, and no one is so desperate that they would destroy the world just to attempt to kick the US.

Secondly (even ignoring nukes :mad: ) a tank advance by isolated US forces deep in hostile Euro territory is total suicide. Sure US armour looks great against 20 year old, non-maintained Iraqi T-72s, but against British, French, German eurofighters, harriers and attack helicopters - really just large slow moving targets. In any potential conflict those troops can either be withdrawn or sacrificed.

Okay, I'll give you this here. Still doesn't account for air raids, though.

Americans themselves are too well armed to be defeated by a foreign army, no matter how large. Nukes would work in this respect, but I'm assuming that for monetary reasons, the US would need to be left somwhat intact. In this respect, it would be best to employ the U.S's already strong revolutionaries and extremists, and also to bring liberals in with the promise of torturing our conservative elite.

With the country in chaos, our "allies" will come in to keep the peace (with the U.S. military starving to death in Iraq, unable to get home because of halted supplies and blocked ports) and will establish order in the newly created United Colonies of Europe. A puppet dictator with foreign troops is a must.

So what liberals would like to go shooting Republicans and Rush Limbaugh? :D

I want a straight Militaristic Discussion. Politics aside, who could and how would they or a Coalition Invade the United States.


It is a possiblity but it has to be done right and I'm up for proposals.

Place all the frontline soldiers in tractor trailers and just drive them into the US. :P

if the damn liberals come after me, i got my guns damn it! Personally, if you invaded the US, i hope you didn't want to see most of those soldiers again...because most of them will end up dead. Like it has been said, most people in the US have guns (suburbs and rural areas and even they have mulitiple weapons) hell, my friends dad has a couple of AK's and M-16's and more ammo then then local armory. An Al-Queda wouldn't want help from the Euro nations, they hate them too. Al-Queda hates anyone who is anglo, american, christian, or not like them and muslim. An even if they did take your help, they'd just try to kill you later. I think the only military that we should fear is a revitilized German Army in 20 years (or is this me dreaming of a conventional WW3? ;) ) Try to invade...it might make the news that night.

if the damn liberals come after me, i got my guns damn it! Personally, if you invaded the US, i hope you didn't want to see most of those soldiers again...because most of them will end up dead. Like it has been said, most people in the US have guns (suburbs and rural areas and even they have mulitiple weapons) hell, my friends dad has a couple of AK's and M-16's and more ammo then then local armory. An Al-Queda wouldn't want help from the Euro nations, they hate them too. Al-Queda hates anyone who is anglo, american, christian, or not like them and muslim. An even if they did take your help, they'd just try to kill you later. I think the only military that we should fear is a revitilized German Army in 20 years (or is this me dreaming of a conventional WW3? ;) ) Try to invade...it might make the news that night.

I suspect in the event of heavily-armed civilian populations, the invading force would be more likely to just use armor, artillery, or airpower to flatten the place. Strategically speaking, a rural community doesn't really hold any worth, and if it's full of opfors it's probably more efficient just to level it and call it collateral damage.

Thank god every American citizen will be allowed to arm them self with whatever gun they find usefull at the nearest gun shop.

And thank god America allows her citizens to purchase automatic rifles.

Phew....I kinda want the world to invade us....cuz it'd be so fucking funny....especially since we have the most nukes in the world and the strongest army in the world.

Oh and remember this saying?

Quality of Quantity. And I doubt China would invade us, they are too bussy wanting to invade Taiwan.

And Canada would pussy out.

France would do the same.

Brits would just lose like the past 2 times they invaded us.

End of discussion from me. Have fun jerking off to each others posts.

An invasion alone would be completely impossible. A revolution will need to be instilled. Sure, liberals don't have guns now, but possessing the ports, it will be no problem in bringing in thousands of crates of AK-47's (that cost $100 each, new) It would be easy for us liberals to simply starve you redneck bastards into submission, considering that we control cities, and thus all the means of transportation. Besides, the overthrow of the government would be the easiest part. A well trained force of 2,000 or so guerillas in D.C. will be able to quickly sweep the power out of the way. There are the nuke codes, all free, in that briefcase attatched to that one marine in the basement of the White House. Those can either be held, or turned against the rednecks. It would be soooo cool to see the waste of what was once Texas, Alabama, Arkansas, Luisiana, Kentucky, Mississippi, Missouri, Utah, Indiana, Tennessee, Idaho, North and South Dakota. The rednecks in the liberal states will just get captured and executed in large pits with machine guns. The military in Iraq will not be able to do anything, given that the ports are all controlled by liberals, thus starving and preventing the help of U.S. troops. The bases would resist, but road blockades and seiges will prevent them from lasting

Then taking the U.S. would be easy, although treacherous, given that the revolution would have been initially funded and supported by the Europeans and China. Depending on who invades though, the now liberal and moderate population will either resist (with China) or concede (with Europe).

It would totally be possible to get past our nukes and rednecks, but only with a revolution.

Haven't been through the thread yet. But a thought occurs to me.

First. Obviously you, need to deal with the Nukes/Missles the US is certain to use.

Ideally, this will happen in a few years, as space is militarized, ground launched Missles/Rockets/Etc will become a thing of the past, as weapon satillietes will track, and then stop any such weapon.

However the US is also likely to have Weapons in space. You'd need to neutralize those, presumably, with your own space weapons, or even with EMP type weapons in space.

You have to protect your own "Missle shield" And stop theirs from being an offensive tool. You do NOT need to keep them from being defensive. Any war with the US can be handled without nuking them.

Next. Appease someone. I don't care if you promise the blacks liberation, the Arabs protection or the Immigrants free rights, You need people on the inside, who will support you. So, appease one, or as many groups as possible. Convince them you are best for them.

Next. Rally your troops. I would recommend using Canada as a staging base, (Presuming a world war against the USA) as with Mexico, they have a wider firing radius. Meaning they can have more men, focusing more fire on you, than in Canada.

Russia would/could take Alaska. Small passage, then onto the mainland. With Chinese/Jap's landing in BC, to keep the Alaskans from breaking out. Put a US occupation policy (Shoot those with guns. Confiscate all guns) Into effective. Use your navy to isolate Alaska. This is KEY, you need to secure the northern front and stop the US, before moving on.

Now, Japan has the Tech, China has the men, and Russia has the ships. Europe would be placed towards a more defensive role in defending Canada, and Mexico, and containing the US in their own borders at all costs. At this time, it would be smart to elminate the American Navy. Use your forces to wipe out as much as possible, before shipping men over en masse. This will keep you from losing men to submarines, or others.

Presuming you have now secured, Occupied and Supressed Alaska, Russia is in charge of holding it. They continue to move along, however most of their troops stay there. You need a large portion of troops, with flexibility. However. You MUST have a good occupation policy. You must try and change the lives of those you conquer as little as possible. Keep as much of the Police force, and others working as possible. Run them yourself if you have to. Provide, and make sure they are 'safe'. Shoot ONLY those, and use the rules of war. You WILL loose more men, it WILL hurt. But the people will be less likely to revolt against a Just rule.

Now the main thing need here is blockading the US ports. They can't support themselves. They Certainly couldn't support a War. There would have to be massive rationing, and this would cause Dissent. But that is in all nations, less so however.

Next you prepare to fight a real war, followed by a Guriella war. You have men who are the Sharp tip, followed by an Occupation force, made up of very Humanistic Men. Have medic's in this unit, as well as teachers, people who are good with childern, and counsellors. You want to reach the PEOPLE first. A violent occupation policy against the US is impossible. It would be a slaughter for all. And lead to more dissent. However if the people believe they are better under your rule, then they will be less likely to fight against you.

DON'T bomb cities unless you have to. Again, More casualities. A LOT more casualities. BUT, again, you need the people. You can't fight all of them.

After that, it is a matter of forces and numbers. It'd be a huge slaughter for both sides, but China and Russia have men to loose. Japan would gear towards Technology, and be expected to provide men, but more important, gear to match that which the American's have.

After this, it is a slug match. You should take it one, or a piece of a state at a time, and then consolidate, and move on. You DON'T want to over-extend. Play it cautious. This has the added bonus of if American's are bombing Americans then they aren't making any friends in the Occupied land.

Anyways, I Have to go >.< Best of luck, hope this helps. ;)

Ok one more thing.

I really wish we all listened to George Washington when he gave his last speach.

You know the part when he suggested America not to have Political partys? It has already lead to one Civil War. And I really believe ther'll be another. Just because Liberals are fucking whiney bitches that Bush one. I really think the Liberal states should leave the Union, so we have a reason to invade them. Or just to watch other countrys invade them, and they beg us for help but we sit here laughing our asses off.

See this is what happens when you have a world full of immaturity. Bush wins a second term, everyone wants to invade America. The liberals then, like always, try to do support them so they are liked and ' popular '. When Conservatives on the other hand ignore the immaturity and try to worry about more serious things.

And the verry second news stirs up of an invasion, especially from Canada, we'll be seeing new states added from the North. And the U.K. doesn't want to suffer another loss against America. France is fucking dumb. Germany doesn't want to rebuild there army like it was in WW2, cuz there afraid someone will come into power an take it over and act like Hitler. China has no tactics, just a nice saying they should addopt " For every man that falls, a thousand more wait eagerly to replace him. "

And Al Queda would act like there helping the Euro nations, just so when all there armed forces are headed for America, they'll attack there defensless dumb ass countrys and probably take over.

You all really need to fucking grow up. I'm 14, and here you are all 22 and up saying " AMERICANS ARE DUMB AND WE SHOULD INVADE THEM CUZ BUSH IS IN POWER!!! "

And Liberals, fuck you. This just shows that your anti patriotic fucktards who'll do anything so ppl like you. Throughout history you would do dumb shit just so you were liked. And now your going to go as far to leaving the Nation or Ordering AKs so you can start a revolution in DC. Fuck you, your a fucking discrace to even be called American. I feel sorry for our Founding Fathers, who weep uncontrollably because there nation they founded is so immature and is full of hatred and anti patriotic. And really, fuck the rest of the world. If they don't like us doing shit in other countrys, fine. I say let the Liberals migrate to Canada, then close our borders and see how the world does with out us for a few year. We reopen, and it looks like WW5 stormed through Europe and Asia, and there all begging us to go over and waste billions of dollars to rebuild nations that end up hating us and starting up INVADE AMERICA bull shit again.

Seriously...

Haven't been through the thread yet. But a thought occurs to me.

First. Obviously you, need to deal with the Nukes/Missles the US is certain to use.

Ideally, this will happen in a few years, as space is militarized, ground launched Missles/Rockets/Etc will become a thing of the past, as weapon satillietes will track, and then stop any such weapon.

However the US is also likely to have Weapons in space. You'd need to neutralize those, presumably, with your own space weapons, or even with EMP type weapons in space.

You have to protect your own "Missle shield" And stop theirs from being an offensive tool. You do NOT need to keep them from being defensive. Any war with the US can be handled without nuking them.

Next. Appease someone. I don't care if you promise the blacks liberation, the Arabs protection or the Immigrants free rights, You need people on the inside, who will support you. So, appease one, or as many groups as possible. Convince them you are best for them.

Next. Rally your troops. I would recommend using Canada as a staging base, (Presuming a world war against the USA) as with Mexico, they have a wider firing radius. Meaning they can have more men, focusing more fire on you, than in Canada.

Russia would/could take Alaska. Small passage, then onto the mainland. With Chinese/Jap's landing in BC, to keep the Alaskans from breaking out. Put a US occupation policy (Shoot those with guns. Confiscate all guns) Into effective. Use your navy to isolate Alaska. This is KEY, you need to secure the northern front and stop the US, before moving on.

Now, Japan has the Tech, China has the men, and Russia has the ships. Europe would be placed towards a more defensive role in defending Canada, and Mexico, and containing the US in their own borders at all costs. At this time, it would be smart to elminate the American Navy. Use your forces to wipe out as much as possible, before shipping men over en masse. This will keep you from losing men to submarines, or others.

Presuming you have now secured, Occupied and Supressed Alaska, Russia is in charge of holding it. They continue to move along, however most of their troops stay there. You need a large portion of troops, with flexibility. However. You MUST have a good occupation policy. You must try and change the lives of those you conquer as little as possible. Keep as much of the Police force, and others working as possible. Run them yourself if you have to. Provide, and make sure they are 'safe'. Shoot ONLY those, and use the rules of war. You WILL loose more men, it WILL hurt. But the people will be less likely to revolt against a Just rule.

Now the main thing need here is blockading the US ports. They can't support themselves. They Certainly couldn't support a War. There would have to be massive rationing, and this would cause Dissent. But that is in all nations, less so however.

Next you prepare to fight a real war, followed by a Guriella war. You have men who are the Sharp tip, followed by an Occupation force, made up of very Humanistic Men. Have medic's in this unit, as well as teachers, people who are good with childern, and counsellors. You want to reach the PEOPLE first. A violent occupation policy against the US is impossible. It would be a slaughter for all. And lead to more dissent. However if the people believe they are better under your rule, then they will be less likely to fight against you.

DON'T bomb cities unless you have to. Again, More casualities. A LOT more casualities. BUT, again, you need the people. You can't fight all of them.

After that, it is a matter of forces and numbers. It'd be a huge slaughter for both sides, but China and Russia have men to loose. Japan would gear towards Technology, and be expected to provide men, but more important, gear to match that which the American's have.

After this, it is a slug match. You should take it one, or a piece of a state at a time, and then consolidate, and move on. You DON'T want to over-extend. Play it cautious. This has the added bonus of if American's are bombing Americans then they aren't making any friends in the Occupied land.

Anyways, I Have to go >.< Best of luck, hope this helps. ;)

Your assuming that the United States doesn't have a military. This plan would never work.

Only a few nations in the world has blue water fleets and the US has the best. The US has 55% of the world's naval force and has nine carriers. If the entire world joined arms to attack the US they would fail because they wouldn't be able to get by the Navy.

Ok one more thing.

I really wish we all listened to George Washington when he gave his last speach.

You know the part when he suggested America not to have Political partys? It has already lead to one Civil War. And I really believe ther'll be another. Just because Liberals are fucking whiney bitches that Bush one. I really think the Liberal states should leave the Union, so we have a reason to invade them. Or just to watch other countrys invade them, and they beg us for help but we sit here laughing our asses off.

See this is what happens when you have a world full of immaturity. Bush wins a second term, everyone wants to invade America. The liberals then, like always, try to do support them so they are liked and ' popular '. When Conservatives on the other hand ignore the immaturity and try to worry about more serious things.

And the verry second news stirs up of an invasion, especially from Canada, we'll be seeing new states added from the North. And the U.K. doesn't want to suffer another loss against America. France is fucking dumb. Germany doesn't want to rebuild there army like it was in WW2, cuz there afraid someone will come into power an take it over and act like Hitler. China has no tactics, just a nice saying they should addopt " For every man that falls, a thousand more wait eagerly to replace him. "

And Al Queda would act like there helping the Euro nations, just so when all there armed forces are headed for America, they'll attack there defensless dumb ass countrys and probably take over.

You all really need to fucking grow up. I'm 14, and here you are all 22 and up saying " AMERICANS ARE DUMB AND WE SHOULD INVADE THEM CUZ BUSH IS IN POWER!!! "

And Liberals, fuck you. This just shows that your anti patriotic fucktards who'll do anything so ppl like you. Throughout history you would do dumb shit just so you were liked. And now your going to go as far to leaving the Nation or Ordering AKs so you can start a revolution in DC. Fuck you, your a fucking discrace to even be called American. I feel sorry for our Founding Fathers, who weep uncontrollably because there nation they founded is so immature and is full of hatred and anti patriotic. And really, fuck the rest of the world. If they don't like us doing shit in other countrys, fine. I say let the Liberals migrate to Canada, then close our borders and see how the world does with out us for a few year. We reopen, and it looks like WW5 stormed through Europe and Asia, and there all begging us to go over and waste billions of dollars to rebuild nations that end up hating us and starting up INVADE AMERICA bull shit again.


Seriously...



Fuck you right back. In our perspective, you've been the ones fucking America. You ruin our country, take our money (liberal states pay more of our money to fund the welfare and farm subsidies for you stupid hicks). Liberal states make Waaaaay more money than your redneck states make, so if we secede, you will be the ones suffering, you dumb cousin-fuckers. You elect a dumbshit with his head so far up his ass that he can see his own tongue, and then you take away the rights of people we don't think are bad (homosexuals).

It is totally patriotic to have a revolution. We celebrate one every Fourth of July dipshit. We celebrate our release from oppression. Now lots of us liberals think that we need to be released from the oppression that you rednecks are forcing us to endure.

And I never said I wanted an invasion. If you read my post, you will clearly see that I thought it was treacherous. You call me unpatriotic? I'll call you unpatriotic right back! Going back on our rights! Pissing on our Constitution! That's fucking unpatriotic. Supporting an elite that takes our jobs overseas? Supporting an elite that sends our soldiers to die in a war to make themselves rich? That's unpatriotic.

I love my country, I just love it in a different way than you. You love it like a 4 year old loves his mommy. Mommy is wonderful and anything mommy does is good, and anyone who disagrees with mommy is bad. I love America like I love my girlfriend. When a problem comes up, we change it, we fix it, we strive to make our relationship perfect. I love her through problems, but I want to help those problems change. That's my goal. That's what I want from America. And right now I have a fool who says that nothing is wrong, even though I insist that it is. Our relationship is no longer mutual. So I'm going to have to break up with the President (by praying that someone shoots him and Cheney)

Fuck you right back. In our perspective, you've been the ones fucking America. You ruin our country, take our money (liberal states pay more of our money to fund the welfare and farm subsidies for you stupid hicks). Liberal states make Waaaaay more money than your redneck states make, so if we secede, you will be the ones suffering, you dumb cousin-fuckers. You elect a dumbshit with his head so far up his ass that he can see his own tongue, and then you take away the rights of people we don't think are bad (homosexuals).

It is totally patriotic to have a revolution. We celebrate one every Fourth of July dipshit. We celebrate our release from oppression. Now lots of us liberals think that we need to be released from the oppression that you rednecks are forcing us to endure.

And I never said I wanted an invasion. If you read my post, you will clearly see that I thought it was treacherous. You call me unpatriotic? I'll call you unpatriotic right back! Going back on our rights! Pissing on our Constitution! That's fucking unpatriotic. Supporting an elite that takes our jobs overseas? Supporting an elite that sends our soldiers to die in a war to make themselves rich? That's unpatriotic.

I love my country, I just love it in a different way than you. You love it like a 4 year old loves his mommy. Mommy is wonderful and anything mommy does is good, and anyone who disagrees with mommy is bad. I love America like I love my girlfriend. When a problem comes up, we change it, we fix it, we strive to make our relationship perfect. I love her through problems, but I want to help those problems change. That's my goal. That's what I want from America. And right now I have a fool who says that nothing is wrong, even though I insist that it is. Our relationship is no longer mutual. So I'm going to have to break up with the President (by praying that someone shoots him and Cheney)

Patriotic my fucking ass. And your the ones who want to help bums who choose not to get a job or finish High School. And by the way, since when is Nebraska a hic state? You seriously havn't a clue about anything, you just sit there day in and day out watching your precious CNN Liberalistic lies. And if Liberals are the ones who try to help America, lets take some steps backwards. It is around the time of the first Revolutionary war, the Republican/Conservative party is founded to abolish slavery. And the Democratic/Liberal party is trying to keep slavery alive, and trying to aid the south ( WHICH IS LIKE HIC NATION ). But why do the Liberals, who try to help America and her children, try to keep slavery? BECAUSE THERE FUCKING ANT PATRIOTIC BITCHES WHO'LL SUCK COCK AND BUMM FUCK EACH OTHER SO OTHER NATIONS LIKE THEM!

Oh yea your patriotic cause you launch a few fireworks in the sky on the 4th.

And I'm no fool, your the fool sitting there at his keyboard making insults thinking that your a big man. And since when do we have to start loving our country like we love our Girlfriends or moms? And if your so fucking patriotic, why are you supporting nations to invade American who will then after victory, if it comes, occupy and split up America? Is that a problem? No, obviously it isn't in your eyes. Its either they take over America, or give the Liberals Monarchy over the states.

And really, I think this is fucking funny because your all like 18 years or older and your arguing like 5 yr olds fighting over a useless toy. And why? Because Bush is relected.

Yea I'm pissing on the constition, thats why I love it so much that I would sacrifice my fucking life just so it lives so many years longer.

Now lets go to a peaceful edge. Why do Liberals and Conservative have to be at each others throats instead of helping one another? When obviously there are Liberals who will gladly die as well as Conservatives to keep America and her Constitution alive? Or is it because the world as we know it is Immature. That the Human race is just fucking dumb? That cats could probably run a nation better, then war mongering welfare addicted ass holes.

Seriously, non Americans, go on saying that you want to invade us. Good luck with that, good luck with it seeming realistic in your dreams. Remember, this isn't Command and Conquer Red Alert 2. It isn't going to be a walk in the park. It is going to be perpetous hell. Your nations might not ever live to see 2010 if you invade us now.

Comandante, there isn't reason for us to argue really. Sorry I called Liberals un patriotic, but when your wanting to seccede from the nation and get weapons to invade DC, that is kinda unpatriotic. But if Kerry won, it'd still be the same thing. For the love of christ, we wern't put on this god forsaken hell hole just to kill each other, why can't we all grow up and work things out other then insults, money and blood shed.

Not that I am a Pro Peace type of guy, I know it is kinda to late to bring peace to this world and that it'll never happen. But seriously...

I just wanted to express my point of view on things.

And I really think Euro nations need to watch there mouths before this president, which seems to the Euro nations and Liberals, will nuke all of you. Or is it...you know he won't but you feel like you must have a cause in life? And that is bash Bush to the point you'll invade America and kill innocent lifes just because you don't like our politicians? Were the backbone of the world, and with out us....your all dead.

I really do wish we listened to George Washington...

listen if you attacked the U.S. you would not survive with out us, think about it everything will juss be a mess the same thing would happen another strong country will rise up and you will have to destroy that country also and so on and so on. who will defend your country if someone will try to invade it only america has the supreme military power to defend you, and here you are trying to destroy it.(Great Idea).

Fuck you right back. In our perspective, you've been the ones fucking America. You ruin our country, take our money (liberal states pay more of our money to fund the welfare and farm subsidies for you stupid hicks). Liberal states make Waaaaay more money than your redneck states make, so if we secede, you will be the ones suffering, you dumb cousin-fuckers. You elect a dumbshit with his head so far up his ass that he can see his own tongue, and then you take away the rights of people we don't think are bad (homosexuals).

It is totally patriotic to have a revolution. We celebrate one every Fourth of July dipshit. We celebrate our release from oppression. Now lots of us liberals think that we need to be released from the oppression that you rednecks are forcing us to endure.

And I never said I wanted an invasion. If you read my post, you will clearly see that I thought it was treacherous. You call me unpatriotic? I'll call you unpatriotic right back! Going back on our rights! Pissing on our Constitution! That's fucking unpatriotic. Supporting an elite that takes our jobs overseas? Supporting an elite that sends our soldiers to die in a war to make themselves rich? That's unpatriotic.

I love my country, I just love it in a different way than you. You love it like a 4 year old loves his mommy. Mommy is wonderful and anything mommy does is good, and anyone who disagrees with mommy is bad. I love America like I love my girlfriend. When a problem comes up, we change it, we fix it, we strive to make our relationship perfect. I love her through problems, but I want to help those problems change. That's my goal. That's what I want from America. And right now I have a fool who says that nothing is wrong, even though I insist that it is. Our relationship is no longer mutual. So I'm going to have to break up with the President (by praying that someone shoots him and Cheney)
I agree with shotting the prez cause he is a dumbshit...did you know out of all the presidents the one with the lowest IQ is Bush wow doesn`t show does it? Anyway the war in Iraq FUCKEN BULLSHIT if you ask me....We attack them to help them? make since? dont think so. Because of that they retaliated so now were in a constant stream of fighting because we wont pull our troops out. But on the other hand we pull out now they think were pusses...should we have attacked them in the first place...? Ok now then as soon as some one gives a fuck about your GF say I...hmm I dont hear anyone lol....Ok now then it is not patriotic to have a revolution...y you may ask cause we revolted agenst a major enemy 'the brits' in order to gain freedom LOL freedom we dont have freedom not anymore that is...ok back on my subject...we revolted to gain this freedom in order to build a better america so if you revolt you`ll revolt agenst america and hey mabe it`s patriotic for you but your going agenst the nation that your patriotic with...hmm confused much?...

Fuck you right back. In our perspective, you've been the ones fucking America. You ruin our country, take our money (liberal states pay more of our money to fund the welfare and farm subsidies for you stupid hicks). Liberal states make Waaaaay more money than your redneck states make, so if we secede, you will be the ones suffering, you dumb cousin-fuckers. You elect a dumbshit with his head so far up his ass that he can see his own tongue, and then you take away the rights of people we don't think are bad (homosexuals).

It is totally patriotic to have a revolution. We celebrate one every Fourth of July dipshit. We celebrate our release from oppression. Now lots of us liberals think that we need to be released from the oppression that you rednecks are forcing us to endure.

And I never said I wanted an invasion. If you read my post, you will clearly see that I thought it was treacherous. You call me unpatriotic? I'll call you unpatriotic right back! Going back on our rights! Pissing on our Constitution! That's fucking unpatriotic. Supporting an elite that takes our jobs overseas? Supporting an elite that sends our soldiers to die in a war to make themselves rich? That's unpatriotic.

I love my country, I just love it in a different way than you. You love it like a 4 year old loves his mommy. Mommy is wonderful and anything mommy does is good, and anyone who disagrees with mommy is bad. I love America like I love my girlfriend. When a problem comes up, we change it, we fix it, we strive to make our relationship perfect. I love her through problems, but I want to help those problems change. That's my goal. That's what I want from America. And right now I have a fool who says that nothing is wrong, even though I insist that it is. Our relationship is no longer mutual. So I'm going to have to break up with the President (by praying that someone shoots him and Cheney)


Now my anti friendly approach.

Was this post made just to show me you have a GF?

I mean it'll be funny as fuck if she dumps u in 5 days and then you start saying " I HATE AMERCIAN POLITICIANS LIKE I HATE MY EX GF....sob sob..masturbate..sob sob... "

Your assuming that the United States doesn't have a military. This plan would never work.

Only a few nations in the world has blue water fleets and the US has the best. The US has 55% of the world's naval force and has nine carriers. If the entire world joined arms to attack the US they would fail because they wouldn't be able to get by the Navy.

Correction.
The US CURRENTLY has 55% Of the Navy. China will be starting an iniative. However, let's presume the stats work.
The US has a military, what are they going to do? An Offensive move is far more costly than a defensive move. The Smartest thing they could do, is fight defensively and hope for a chance to overrun it all.

But, here's how we argue this.
The US is denied it's Oil. It has a lot of it's own. But it can't maintain itself. Meanwhile, you have every shipyard in the world producing ships. Based on production, possibly maybe 3-4 Ships, World wide, built a Day. Now that might not be many, but 120 ships a Month. Submarines, transports, and that's probably under-estimated. The US might hasve a superior navy first, BUT, not for long. A lack of supplies, and production compared to the world at war, wouldn't let them hold off for that long. It'd cost a lot. It'd take a while. But it can be done.

And fact of the matter is, I know the US has a military. But, I'm arguing that they would be defensive, they can fight someone else, but an invasion would be costly, Mexico would cost many men to hold, and Canada's size would make it really hard to hold, and easy to take back. Most of the fighting would probably be Urban, or at least, again that would be a defensive strat I'd recommend.

Now my anti friendly approach.

Was this post made just to show me you have a GF?

I mean it'll be funny as fuck if she dumps u in 5 days and then you start saying " I HATE AMERCIAN POLITICIANS LIKE I HATE MY EX GF....sob sob..masturbate..sob sob... "


Your first one wasn't at all friendly either. Is that all you could come up with though? Generally, when someone flames you, you try to bat the flames back, rather than let them hit you squarely in the chest, setting your incestual face on fire along with the rest of your body. You couldn't even legitimize your "patriotism"? Fancy that, well then, game, set, match!

Comandante, there isn't reason for us to argue really. Sorry I called Liberals un patriotic, but when your wanting to seccede from the nation and get weapons to invade DC, that is kinda unpatriotic. But if Kerry won, it'd still be the same thing. For the love of christ, we wern't put on this god forsaken hell hole just to kill each other, why can't we all grow up and work things out other then insults, money and blood shed.

Not that I am a Pro Peace type of guy, I know it is kinda to late to bring peace to this world and that it'll never happen. But seriously...

I just wanted to express my point of view on things.

And I really think Euro nations need to watch there mouths before this president, which seems to the Euro nations and Liberals, will nuke all of you. Or is it...you know he won't but you feel like you must have a cause in life? And that is bash Bush to the point you'll invade America and kill innocent lifes just because you don't like our politicians? Were the backbone of the world, and with out us....your all dead.

I really do wish we listened to George Washington...


I'm not arguing with you over party. I don't believe what you believe. I want a different America than you. Same foundation, completely different structure. I will agree not to argue with you on being American, but I won't stop fighting over what our country is supposed to look like.
Oh, I'm also a communist, so we truly would disagree on everything except our bill of rights.

No end to the fighting. The more liberals and conservatives try to kill each other, the more likely there will be a revolution, and that is great for me. I despise you guys, I'm sorry, but I flat out do. Luckily I live in a city where there are no conservatives, so I don't get tempted to commit Arson via molotov on someone's house.

Wow....nice history you learn.

1) The British were in Canada to suppress a Canadian rebellion like the US did. Canadians hated the British, and many actually fought England in the War of 1812. The British planned to burn Washington to payback the US for burning down the British Capitol in Canada. Funny thing is, Americans never touched it. Yup, you guessed it, the CANADIANS burned it down. Maybe you should ask your teacher about the Upper Canada Massacres and subsequent UC Rebellion, which further led to the 1837 Rebellion, which led to Canada being formed in 1867.

2) The war was 99% a Naval one, fought over supply lines the US were providing to the French in the Penninsula war. England illegally blockaded US ships, thus leading to conflict.

3) In 1814 the British sailed warships up the Patuxent River and landed 4,500 Marines to burn the Presidents Residence. It was not the Whitehouse at the time, because it was not white yet. Much of the wooden structure burned, leaving the blackened stone portions. To cover this up, eveything was painted white, this giving us the Whitehouse.

Do you see how history actually happened? Please try to learn some of it before you make up wild stories about dead guys attacking Canada.

look, i got part of it wrong ok, i said that, so don't get into such a hissy fit over an afterthought at the end of a post, sheesh!

I saw mentioned somewhere a while back about taking out all the US airfields in the states. Our interstate road system was designed with the ability to land our planes on them in case of invasion.

Your assuming that the United States doesn't have a military. This plan would never work.

Only a few nations in the world has blue water fleets and the US has the best. The US has 55% of the world's naval force and has nine carriers. If the entire world joined arms to attack the US they would fail because they wouldn't be able to get by the Navy.

Carriers are good at extending force and against third world military with nil spy sats, hunter-killer subs and piss all airforce they work really well. Carriers allow America to act as world police.

Carriers can be disabled by subs, cruise missiles or air attack. If the carrier is disabled the carrier group becomes totally exposed. Big slow moving floating exocet targets. Russia, any Euro power, China, maybe even India, Brazil and Japan are invulnerable to carrier based attack unless the USA is prepared to lose the carrier group.


But you are partly right. The US Navy is something top be feared, if only for the submarines.

Carriers are good at extending force and against third world military with nil spy sats, hunter-killer subs and piss all airforce they work really well. Carriers allow America to act as world police.

Carriers can be disabled by subs, cruise missiles or air attack. If the carrier is disabled the carrier group becomes totally exposed. Big slow moving floating exocet targets. Russia, any Euro power, China, maybe even India, Brazil and Japan are invulnerable to carrier based attack unless the USA is prepared to lose the carrier group.


But you are partly right. The US Navy is something top be feared, if only for the submarines.


Hence the reason for screening vessels.

Jesus H. Christ man, seriously.

You knock out the carrier if your lucky enough and you still have several Destroyers, Cruisers, Frigates and Submarines. Which umm still can do you damage.

But for amusement lets play with what you said.

Carrier aircraft range is about 1,500 miles(maybe more but we're talking about battlegroup here) So with airborne Awacs they see all radar contacts within 1,500 miles. For a missile that is flying 4,000 miles an hour (a bit quick for a missile actually) thats oh, give or take 15 minutes of notice. So they have 15 minutes to start manueviring, Launch Decoys and Flares oh and ummm shoot the fucker down. Submarines are a threat, but a small one due to the amount of ASW ingrained in a Carrier battlegroup with its Fixed Wing, Rotary wing, Surface Vessels, and Submerged vessels. Not impossible, but not altogether easy. To close within range of striking the carrier with a torpedo the sub would have to cross 50-100 Sq Miles of Ocean that is already covered with Surface vessels with their own ASW gear. It would take luck.


Not impossible, but not easy either. Don't discount a carrier as worthless and show your own complete lack of naval knowledge.

Aircraft attacking would have to deal with the Carriers own fighters and the range on a Phoenix Air to Air Missile is over 100 miles. Awacs Vectors, F-14's with Phoenix fire. Attacking aircraft take hits, possibly without even knowing they have been attacked until it happens.


Carriers are not impossible to kill but extremely difficult. And they are more than suffeciant to protect our shores from an enemy assault(which is the context they are being referred to in this thread).

My guess is most of these scenarios are created by European Teenagers proud of their armies.My guess is that you are looking at the other side of the mirror..

To invade the US, I’d want a civil war. Not impossible. Texan independence, or stir the South up again? Given that Mormonism is spreading like wildfire in South America, persuading Utah to secede and join a Mormon America?
A civil war means a solid base to fight from, strips a huge chunk of resources away from the US, and means that the USA can’t use nukes, because they’d be targeting fellow Americans.
The other option would be the full might of the Commonwealth, using Canada as a base. This military buildup would be observed by the US, but could be disguised as a wargame and attempt to strengthen ties between Commonwealth nations, so dismissed as ‘friendly’. Even so, we’d all need to up our military forces through the roof, and the invasion would depend heavily on surprise.
No matter what, don’t forget Admiral Yamato’s ‘6 month’ rule. Yes, tactics strategy and superior training may allow you to wreak havoc for 6 months – but then the USA’s overwhelming economic might comes to bear, and you get overrun. Any invasion would need to conquer the USA’s industrial heartlands with the first strike: otherwise, you just lost the war.

My guess is that you are looking at the other side of the mirror..

Ok let me rephrase that. Euro Teenagers without a clue

but lets look at my perspective compared to theirs, I'm 20, i've been studying Military History since I was 12. I have also been a soldier in the United States Army for almost 2 years.


They may have know a lot, but if they do, most of them aren't showing it.