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Source: http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/news/1101896768316400.xml

MONTGOMERY - An Alabama lawmaker who sought to ban gay marriages now wants to ban novels with gay characters from public libraries, including university libraries.

A bill by Rep. Gerald Allen, R-Cottondale, would prohibit the use of public funds for "the purchase of textbooks or library materials that recognize or promote homosexuality as an acceptable lifestyle." Allen said he filed the bill to protect children from the "homosexual agenda."

"Our culture, how we know it today, is under attack from every angle," Allen said in a press conference Tuesday.

Allen said that if his bill passes, novels with gay protagonists and college textbooks that suggest homosexuality is natural would have to be removed from library shelves and destroyed.

"I guess we dig a big hole and dump them in and bury them," he said.

A spokesman for the Montgomery-based Southern Poverty Law Center called the bill censorship.

"It sounds like Nazi book burning to me," said SPLC spokesman Mark Potok.

Allen pre-filed his bill in advance of the 2005 legislative session, which begins Feb. 1.

If the bill became law, public school textbooks could not present homosexuality as a genetic trait and public libraries couldn't offer books with gay or bisexual characters.

When asked about Tennessee Williams' southern classic "Cat On A Hot Tin Roof," Allen said the play probably couldn't be performed by university theater groups.

Allen said no state funds should be used to pay for materials that foster homosexuality. He said that would include nonfiction books that suggest homosexuality is acceptable and fiction novels with gay characters. While that would ban books like "Heather has Two Mommies," it could also include classic and popular novels with gay characters such as "The Color Purple," "The Picture of Dorian Gray" and "Brideshead Revisted."

The bill also would ban materials that recognize or promote a lifestyle or actions prohibited by the sodomy and sexual misconduct laws of Alabama. Allen said that meant books with heterosexual couples committing those acts likely would be banned, too.

His bill also would prohibit a teacher from handing out materials or bringing in a classroom speaker who suggested homosexuality was OK, he said.

Allen has sponsored legislation to make a gay marriage ban part of the Alabama Constitution, but it was not approved by the Legislature.

Ken Baker, a board member of Equality Alabama, a gay rights organization, said Allen was "attempting to become the George Wallace of homosexuality."

Aside from the moral debates, the bill could be problematic for library collections, said Jaunita Owes, director of the Montgomery City-County Library, which is a few blocks from the Alabama Capitol.

"Half the books in the library could end up being banned. It's all based on how one interprets the material," Owes said.

Part of me is outraged, another part of me isn't surprised.

"He who burns books shall soon burn people"

Source: http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/news/1101896768316400.xml



Part of me is outraged, another part of me isn't surprised.

"He who burns books shall soon burn people"
And why aren't those two parts the same?

WEll maybe they will move on to movies and ban alexander as that was one of the most crappy movies I have ever seen. And since it was full of gayness, perhaps they will ban it as well.

Heres to hopeing....

welcome to alabama, this is why north alabama needs to be its own state, the redneck factor is high but not as high as that of anywhere south of birmingham.

i bet if we managed to the two seperated north alabama would get above the bottom 10 on the poll of crappiest places ever for various reasons

A culture that is so easily destroyed by the printed word; does not deserve to exist.

I agree with him. Gay people are screwed up. I'm not even Christian and I think that, so you can't get me there.

Anyway, we need to seperate them from society and prevent them from reproducing(however that is feasible{sp?}), adopting, or promoting themselves.

Anyway, we need to seperate them from society and prevent them from reproducing
Quote of the day.

I agree with him. Gay people are screwed up. I'm not even Christian and I think that, so you can't get me there.

Anyway, we need to seperate them from society and prevent them from reproducing(however that is feasible{sp?}), adopting, or promoting themselves.
why promote homosexuality when you can promote intolerance and condoned hatred

Quote of the day.


What the hell, QUOTE of the year lol

Banning books is like banning guns: just a bad idea.

Sometimes I have but pity for Americans....

http://isurvived.org/Pictures_Isurvived/Book-burning.gif

"homosexual agenda."Yes, because we've all seen those huge mass pamphlet droppings over various metropolises encouraging homosexuality. And those street pole banners stating, "Try sodomy!" And those ILGA sponsored commercials on children’s television telling kids to only watch all the gay shows with the gay characters having discreet gay sex as to not be deemed unacceptable by the FCC.

This is crap

Since when as anyone givin' a crap about
alabama. If they want to be redneck then let
them be redneck.

The only thing they can be used for
is...they can be sent to Iraq. Everybody
owns a gun down there in the south, so the government saves a
little money there.
They would be good fighters becaue
they hunt and they think that the south
won the civil war.

Also those redneck soldiers woud eat the bodies they
killed becasue they are too poor to get food back here
in america!!
As for banning books...
It doesnt matter if they ban books
nobody can read good down there anyway.

Some of the guys that started the hyper-consumerist idiot society of Fahrenheit 451 must have been from Alabama, since burning all books is an integral part of the system, and intelligent people are forced to wander the rural areas and slums.

I agree with him. Gay people are screwed up. I'm not even Christian and I think that, so you can't get me there.

Anyway, we need to seperate them from society and prevent them from reproducing(however that is feasible{sp?}), adopting, or promoting themselves.

Wowwwwwwwwiieeeee

If this is what is coming out of school these days, we are dooomed!

So how do you prevent homosexuals from reproducing? Show them pictures of hetros reproducing?

Show them pictures of hetros reproducing?

You mean, a man and a woman?! Eh, eeeuw! Gross...

I say the US bans Gerald Allen and anything having to do remotely with him at all. What a fucking Nazi. I hate him.

I say the US bans Gerald Allen and anything having to do remotely with him at all. What a fucking Nazi. I hate him.
I think its sad that you can compare him with a Nazi, and it seems completly apt. Thats usually a sign someone is just lashing out, but you're completly right.
Thats a little disheartening. :(

nobody can read good down there anyway.

Try this: "No one down there can read well, anyway." ;)

I am from the South, and I deplore such acts against the sovereignty of the mind. The mere thought of banning what one may or may not read is as horrible as banning what one may or may not think.

This bill will never pass, and if it does, then I will truly feel sorry for those who so willingly choose to close their minds.

As a side note(I'm firmly against book burning) Does anyone know of any concrete proof that homosexuality is genetic?

Thought control. How moral of him.

As a side note(I'm firmly against book burning) Does anyone know of any concrete proof that homosexuality is genetic?

Oh, please, don't turn this thread into another one of those threads.

Stick to the topic, please!

Can anyone say, Farenheit 451? (It woudl be embarrasing if I mispelled it, oh well..)

Can anyone say, Farenheit 451? (It woudl be embarrasing if I mispelled it, oh well..)

You did. But you have time to escape before the grammar police arrive at your house and kick you in the groin repeatedly.

You mean, a man and a woman?! Eh, eeeuw! Gross...

I can make you celibate with 1 thought! Your mom and dad going at it! :p

I wasn't aware Alabama had books to burn.

WEll maybe they will move on to movies and ban alexander as that was one of the most crappy movies I have ever seen. And since it was full of gayness, perhaps they will ban it as well.

Heres to hopeing....
You are a f****ing hillibilly. :mad: I cant believe how narrow minded people like you are. Whats next? Will schools go back to having the bible as a text book? If so god help us all!

I wasn't aware Alabama had books to burn.

What makes you think they can't get picture books?

I can make you celibate with 1 thought! Your mom and dad going at it! :p

No, what made me celibate for a really long time was seeing them in action.

No, what made me celibate for a really long time was seeing them in action.

:)

Ohhh you are from Kentucky? :p

You are a f****ing hillibilly. :mad: I cant believe how narrow minded people like you are. Whats next? Will schools go back to having the bible as a text book? If so god help us all!

Oh for Bob's sake, he was kidding.

And Alexander truely does suck. And did!

:)

Ohhh you are from Kentucky? :p

For-fucking-bid!

No, I was just a stupid child that went "Hey, let's see why the lights in mommy's and daddy's room are on at night". *shudders*

I agree with him. Gay people are screwed up. I'm not even Christian and I think that, so you can't get me there.

Anyway, we need to seperate them from society and prevent them from reproducing(however that is feasible{sp?}), adopting, or promoting themselves.
I think we need to seperate people like you from the rest of society.

Try this: "No one down there can read well, anyway." ;)

I am from the South, and I deplore such acts against the sovereignty of the mind. The mere thought of banning what one may or may not read is as horrible as banning what one may or may not think.

This bill will never pass, and if it does, then I will truly feel sorry for those who so willingly choose to close their minds.


Hmm you remind me of that southern gentleman chicken from looney tunes(bugs bunny)...

" I say, I say, the sovereignty of the mind must not be messed with"

Oh, please, don't turn this thread into another one of those threads.

Stick to the topic, please!
*blinks* Actually I was genuinely wondering. I know some people think there is but is there any non-circumstantial proof?

And the article does say it would ban books that said it, so I'm wondering if the books just say that people think it's genetically linked or if they have proof of the matter.

Hmm you remind me of that southern gentleman chicken from looney tunes(bugs bunny)...

" I say, I say, the sovereignty of the mind must not be messed with"


Come on!

How can you forget Foghorn Leghorn?

*blinks* Actually I was genuinely wondering. I know some people think there is but is there any non-circumstantial proof?

Those people also tend to think homosexuals are pedophilliacs as well.

There are animals in the wild that have shown homosexual tendicies and acts.

Let's not hijack the thread.

You are a f****ing hillibilly. :mad: I cant believe how narrow minded people like you are. Whats next? Will schools go back to having the bible as a text book? If so god help us all!
I think his point was that Alexander was the WORST portrayal of a ruling figure seen in a long time.

Haha, why thank you. I truly am honored.

I just think that it is our duty, as "Southern Gentlement" to stand against such frivilous indignations. Of course, I've came to realize that many of us are indeed, bigoted, misinformed and none too bright. But not all of us.

"I say, that boy is about as bright as a wad of wet hair."

You are a f****ing hillibilly. :mad: I cant believe how narrow minded people like you are. Whats next? Will schools go back to having the bible as a text book? If so god help us all!

WOW are you joking? Dem hillibilly will surely catch up to you and make ya a little boy toy :cool:

WOW are you joking? Dem hillibilly will surely catch up to you and make ya a little boy toy :cool:

You shur have purdy teeff!

*blinks* Actually I was genuinely wondering. I know some people think there is but is there any non-circumstantial proof?

And the article does say it would ban books that said it, so I'm wondering if the books just say that people think it's genetically linked or if they have proof of the matter.

There is evidence - none of it "conclusive" as anything as complicated as sexuality is going to be regulated by a myriad of factors.

There is also evidence that hormone balances in utero contribute and that differences in brain composition contribute.

Psychological evidence points towards sexuality being pretty much set in stone in human beings sometime between ages 3-6, whatever the influences that have contributed.

Studies claiming to "change" homosexuals have all been religion-based, have only demonstrated "less" homosexual urges, and most have gone back to their old lifestyles eventually anyways.

And every higher order animal that has been extensively studied shows at least some amount of homo- or bisexual activity.

Ok, so there is a summary of all the evidence - let's not hyjack the thread too much. =)

I think it's funny how he claims he's trying to "protect the children from the homosexual conspiracy" but is also trying to remove books from state universities that have gay characters.

I lived in South Carolina for 3 years, and I never saw anything this patently rediculous come to pass.

That's really sick. I'm used to be Jewish and I would never have burned a book like My Struggle (I have forgotten how to say it in German)...

And if anyone has seen the British article comparing the average IQs of each state, Alabama comes in last. Wow. In a sense it is upsetting,because it's score is only 85, and something like 19-75 is considered distrubed (without medical problems), but it's also not surprising..

That's really sick. I'm used to be Jewish and I would never have burned a book like My Struggle (I have forgotten how to say it in German)...


Mein Kampf

That's really sick. I'm used to be Jewish and I would never have burned a book like My Struggle (I have forgotten how to say it in German)...

And if anyone has seen the British article comparing the average IQs of each state, Alabama comes in last. Wow. In a sense it is upsetting,because it's score is only 85, and something like 19-75 is considered distrubed (without medical problems), but it's also not surprising..
*Sighs* That article is completely incorrect.

*Sighs* That article is completely incorrect.

well, the data is probably incorrect. but the general idea is without a doubt correct. the education system in alabama is horrible (i've been there and had friends that have gone to school there). the average intelligence of people down there really is amazingly low.

I agree with him. Gay people are screwed up. I'm not even Christian and I think that, so you can't get me there.

Anyway, we need to seperate them from society and prevent them from reproducing(however that is feasible{sp?}), adopting, or promoting themselves.

So I'm not intolerant or anything.

Why do you think gay people are screwed up? And you do know they can't reproduce right? I mean, its not physically possible for a gay couple to do that.

i personally think that people are gay because they were born that way..and theres a lot of science backing that up. in reality, most people just don't believe that thats the case because their religion tells them so.

I feel pretty angry after reading this. I've started writing a few different things, and reconsidered after each one. My initial reaction was to lash out in anger, at Republicans, at the hypocritical religious right, at this hateful charmless man - at a society where such things could work their way up from the dark bile of the soul to see the light of day. But I opted not to.

Then I thought of a witty, biting statement. Then some puns... And I re-read the article. So now I'm here, writing about writing my response. I've got nothing in particular to say. I'm appalled, I'm disgusted... I don't feel I've got anything at all in common with this parochial brownshirt, and... I hope that, as a subscriber to all that Judeo-Christian dualistic BULLSHIT he'll eventually learn the error of his intolerant ways, over the course of Eternity - being tortured by the demons of his own twisted mind.

But then I stop and consider, of all the conservative, uptight men I've either met or known, more than half turned out to be closeted homo- or bi-sexual men. You know, the type who spend half an hour explaining just how 'not gay' they are, to anyone who'll listen. Maybe this Allen is, by his own standards, something even worse than a homosexual, and this is why he's wanting to lash out at others. It's like Roy Cohn, going after Communists to deflect public attention from his queer lifestyle.

Methinks he doth protest too much, perhaps.

And now I feel a little better. Not a great post, but I don't feel half as unclean as I did after reading that terrible article. Go directly to Hell, Gerald Allen. Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200. Hand in your game token.

You're outta here... and into the 50/50 zone with Jehovah-1 presiding. I don't fancy your chances, Gerald - not when you're up against the twisted, sadistic and cruel version of God that exists at the center of YOUR universe...

I have two things to say about this.

1. In no way do I believe that being gay is right. I also think it is againest nature, but... I believe you are born with being gay and they should be accepted in/by the community.

2. Let's just face it people. The people in Alabama are still living in the 1950's where blacks aren't accepted and niether are gays. They even have the confederate flag on thier state flag.

I have two things to say about this.

1. In no way do I believe that being gay is right. I also think it is againest nature, but... I believe you are born with being gay and they should be accepted in/by the community.

2. Let's just face it people. The people in Alabama are still living in the 1950's where blacks aren't accepted and niether are gays. They even have the confederate flag on thier state flag.

You believe it's against nature but also natural (a born trait)?

Not trying to prod, I'm just curious about that

Do you mean 'against nature' as in 'against your religion/god'?

1. In no way do I believe that being gay is right. I also think it is againest nature, but... I believe you are born with being gay and they should be accepted in/by the community..
Tell that to the gay dolphins.

Tell that to the gay dolphins.

Yeah, but dolphins just really, really like sex. They'll have inter-species sex too, so they obviously aren't that interested in fertile offspring...

(keep in mind, I think homosexuality is totally natural... I'm just bringing in a tangent)

I feel pretty angry after reading this. I've started writing a few different things, and reconsidered after each one. My initial reaction was to lash out in anger, at Republicans, at the hypocritical religious right, at this hateful charmless man - at a society where such things could work their way up from the dark bile of the soul to see the light of day. But I opted not to.

Then I thought of a witty, biting statement. Then some puns... And I re-read the article. So now I'm here, writing about writing my response. I've got nothing in particular to say. I'm appalled, I'm disgusted... I don't feel I've got anything at all in common with this parochial brownshirt, and... I hope that, as a subscriber to all that Judeo-Christian dualistic BULLSHIT he'll eventually learn the error of his intolerant ways, over the course of Eternity - being tortured by the demons of his own twisted mind.

But then I stop and consider, of all the conservative, uptight men I've either met or known, more than half turned out to be closeted homo- or bi-sexual men. You know, the type who spend half an hour explaining just how 'not gay' they are, to anyone who'll listen. Maybe this Allen is, by his own standards, something even worse than a homosexual, and this is why he's wanting to lash out at others. It's like Roy Cohn, going after Communists to deflect public attention from his queer lifestyle.

Methinks he doth protest too much, perhaps.

And now I feel a little better. Not a great post, but I don't feel half as unclean as I did after reading that terrible article. Go directly to Hell, Gerald Allen. Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200. Hand in your game token.

You're outta here... and into the 50/50 zone with Jehovah-1 presiding. I don't fancy your chances, Gerald - not when you're up against the twisted, sadistic and cruel version of God that exists at the center of YOUR universe...

Excellent post.

Thank you, Dobbs Town - for expressing how (I'm sure) a lot of us feel.

Yeah, but dolphins just really, really like sex. They'll have inter-species sex too, so they obviously aren't that interested in fertile offspring...

(keep in mind, I think homosexuality is totally natural... I'm just bringing in a tangent)

Ahhhhh, dolphins. The "easy girl" of the animal kingdom :p

Come on!

How can you forget Foghorn Leghorn?

Am I the only person who thinks he was the best Looney Toons character, BTW?

Am I the only person who thinks he was the best Looney Toons character, BTW?
Naaaaaaaaah, Jerry was by far the king.

Am I the only person who thinks he was the best Looney Toons character, BTW?

Isn't Marvin the Martian a Looney Toon?

Because, Marvin rules.

:)

While I think Homosexuality is a disease that will eventually be cured in some way or another. Such actions are despicable and typify AmeriKKKa and its hateful agenda. War against AmeriKKKa is a must for Europe.

While I think Homosexuality is a disease that will eventually be cured in some way or another. Such actions are despicable and typify AmeriKKKa and its hateful agenda. War against AmeriKKKa is a must for Europe.

So much irony...

So much irony...

Sorry I didn't phrase that right. I have no problem with them I just think eventually researchers will find out it's because there something wrong with the brain that makes people gay or something along those lines. And eventually I think medical science will find a cure for it.

But WHY would you want to cure it?

So others who don't follow the lifestyle don't feel uncomfortable?

Sorry I didn't phrase that right. I have no problem with them I just think eventually researchers will find out it's because there something wrong with the brain that makes people gay or something along those lines. And eventually I think medical science will find a cure for it.

There's no logical reason to 'cure' it. Homosexuality is no more detrimental to a person than heterosexuality, bi-sexuality, or any other sexuality that doesn't involve a victim.

But ahh, I understand what you mean a little better now.

Source: http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/news/1101896768316400.xml



Part of me is outraged, another part of me isn't surprised.

"He who burns books shall soon burn people"
land of the free, eh? :rolleyes:
as long as you're christian, white, and not gay :rolleyes:

Eexcellent post, Dobbs Town.

If you look at the american library association list of most frequently banned and or challenged books (http://www.ala.org/ala/oif/bannedbooksweek/bbwlinks/100mostfrequently.htm) you'll see plenty of books that were banned or challenged for reasons other than sex(e.g., Huck Finn and To Kill a Mockingbird are both often challenged beacause they contain the "n" word, despite the fact that they are both contain scathing indictments of racism in America). You really have to hunt around the site to find out why each of those was banned or challenged, but it's pretty frightening.

Several of those books were *required* reading when I was in school (for which I am grateful.) My kids have several of these in their bookshelves, too. I probably wouldn't be thrilled if they were reading Madonna's sex book (though I admit I've not seen it recently), but ban it? no way.

Am I the only person who thinks he was the best Looney Toons character, BTW?

I'll buy it. All hail Foghorn Leghorn!

I feel pretty angry after reading this. I've started writing a few different things, and reconsidered after each one. My initial reaction was to lash out in anger, at Republicans, at the hypocritical religious right, at this hateful charmless man - at a society where such things could work their way up from the dark bile of the soul to see the light of day. But I opted not to.

Then I thought of a witty, biting statement. Then some puns... And I re-read the article. So now I'm here, writing about writing my response. I've got nothing in particular to say. I'm appalled, I'm disgusted... I don't feel I've got anything at all in common with this parochial brownshirt, and... I hope that, as a subscriber to all that Judeo-Christian dualistic BULLSHIT he'll eventually learn the error of his intolerant ways, over the course of Eternity - being tortured by the demons of his own twisted mind.

But then I stop and consider, of all the conservative, uptight men I've either met or known, more than half turned out to be closeted homo- or bi-sexual men. You know, the type who spend half an hour explaining just how 'not gay' they are, to anyone who'll listen. Maybe this Allen is, by his own standards, something even worse than a homosexual, and this is why he's wanting to lash out at others. It's like Roy Cohn, going after Communists to deflect public attention from his queer lifestyle.

Methinks he doth protest too much, perhaps.

And now I feel a little better. Not a great post, but I don't feel half as unclean as I did after reading that terrible article. Go directly to Hell, Gerald Allen. Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200. Hand in your game token.

You're outta here... and into the 50/50 zone with Jehovah-1 presiding. I don't fancy your chances, Gerald - not when you're up against the twisted, sadistic and cruel version of God that exists at the center of YOUR universe...
THis is what happens when the religious right starts feeling their political oats. Because they're convinced that they've got the hotline to God, you can't reason with them or ask them to just live and let live--it's their way or hell, damnit, and you're the one going to hell.

Sigh.

I said it before on my thread about fundamentalism around the world--there is no difference, from a social point of view, between the teachings of Mullah Omar and Jerry Falwell, between the teachings of Osama Bin Laden and James Dobson. The religious right might as well be called the American Taliban.

gee, i guess all textbooks that mention Alexander the Great, Leonardo Da Vinci, and Oscar Wilde will have to be burnt, in that case. we can't possibly let kids know that homosexuality exists, or that homosexuals often do great and wonderful things, so let's just delete all historical record of them! that should help our kids function in the real world!

gee, i guess all textbooks that mention Alexander the Great, Leonardo Da Vinci, and Oscar Wilde will have to be burnt, in that case. we can't possibly let kids know that homosexuality exists, or that homosexuals often do great and wonderful things, so let's just delete all historical record of them! that should help our kids function in the real world!
And let's not even get into the possibility that either Jesus or the self-loathing Paul were gay. Lordy me.

And let's not even get into the possibility that either Jesus or the self-loathing Paul were gay. Lordy me.
i just don't get it; these people are okay with their kids reading a book that features protagonists who commit incest, murder, rape, domestic abuse, and engage in slavery, but they aren't okay with books featuring characters who engage in consentual sex with members of the same gender. what kind of morals are they really trying to teach, exactly?

Once again a redneck wasteland like Alabama makes my country look bad.

The bill also would ban materials that recognize or promote a lifestyle or actions prohibited by the sodomy and sexual misconduct laws of Alabama. Allen said that meant books with heterosexual couples committing those acts likely would be banned, too.

Just a thought...doesn't the bible have references to such acts that would fall under the "sexual misconduct" laws? Someone help me out here...something to do with Solomon has a reference to oral sex...just can't remember what it is called.

Why do I have a feeling they wouldn't remove THAT book though??? :D

*sigh*
It's like being gay is actually an issue to some people. I mean honestly, does it affect anyone's way of life, other than the people practicing it? It's not contaigious; you can't make someone gay. (believe me, I know, I've tried!) I think the South needs to stop being so paranoid, and realize that they control 90% of the population in terms of heterosexuality, and they really don't have to worry about losing the edge.

America has already burnt books.

Federal agents burnt the lifework of Willhelm Reich in the 1950s

The bill also would ban materials that recognize or promote a lifestyle or actions prohibited by the sodomy and sexual misconduct laws of Alabama. Allen said that meant books with heterosexual couples committing those acts likely would be banned, too.

Just a thought...doesn't the bible have references to such acts that would fall under the "sexual misconduct" laws? Someone help me out here...something to do with Solomon has a reference to oral sex...just can't remember what it is called.

Why do I have a feeling they wouldn't remove THAT book though??? :D
You referring to the song of Solomon (in that case it is PROMOTING oral/manual)

I will look for the phrase but the general idea out of the bible is that anything but male female intercourse for procreation purposes is both a sin … and if not vaginal sex (anything else) is considered sodomy


As far as sodomy laws before they were repealed up here included a ban on oral and anal sex

(but those are all gone now)

Naaaaaaaaah, Jerry was by far the king.

Get thee from my presence thou evil, blaspheming MGM-loving heathen. Jerry is no Looney Toon and is not worthy even to worship at the feet of the least of the Toons (Tweety Pie).

republicans are so gay

1. In no way do I believe that being gay is right. I also think it is againest nature, but... I believe you are born with being gay and they should be accepted in/by the community.

You do realize that these two statements are completely incompatible, right?

I think banning books is a terrible idea. Let the market do its own "censorship" by having the people decide they don't want to read a book. That fixed Jayson Blair...

Sorry I didn't phrase that right. I have no problem with them I just think eventually researchers will find out it's because there something wrong with the brain that makes people gay or something along those lines. And eventually I think medical science will find a cure for it.

When you consider that it is *extremely* common in the animal world, I doubt very seriously that it is "something wrong." On top of that, with the vast number of elements that likely control sexuality, the idea that there will be a "cure" for any sexuality is ludicrous.

It's like saying that we'll find a "cure" for black skin, or for enjoying salty foods.

When you consider that it is *extremely* common in the animal world, I doubt very seriously that it is "something wrong." On top of that, with the vast number of elements that likely control sexuality, the idea that there will be a "cure" for any sexuality is ludicrous.

If you've ever raised a child, and seen how naturally they fall into gender roles, even at age two, you'll know how unchangeable and natural anyone's sexuality is.

Sexuality is part of your internal program. Trying to change it is like trying to stop the sun from coming up in the morning.

Anyway, we need to seperate them from society and prevent them from reproducing

Brillitant quote indeed. Didn't they teach you about the birds and the bees in school?!

republicans are so gay

Homosexuals are gay.

Do homosexuals reproduce by fission? Parthenogenesis? Turkey baster?

Sel, you're going to have to let us in on how it's done. As a heterosexual, I have no idea. Perhaps you have first hand experience?

Will schools go back to having the bible as a text book? If so god help us all!

Runner-up for Quote of the Day.

Runner-up for Quote of the Day.
oh yeah.

i just don't get it; these people are okay with their kids reading a book that features protagonists who commit incest, murder, rape, domestic abuse, and engage in slavery, but they aren't okay with books featuring characters who engage in consentual sex with members of the same gender. what kind of morals are they really trying to teach, exactly?

Ah, but that's the Bible....

You see, it's okay to describe sex in pornographic detail, so long as you do it in the Bible (Song of Solomon)... It's okay for a guy to have children with his own daughters (Lot), sex with his own father (Ham), or have a gay lover (David) - just as long as it's in the bible...

Because, gay sex in the bible is GOOD gay sex, not like that bad modern gay sex... or something...

Do homosexuals reproduce by fission? Parthenogenesis? Turkey baster?

Sel, you're going to have to let us in on how it's done. As a heterosexual, I have no idea. Perhaps you have first hand experience?

Actually, quite a few older gay men and women(around 40+ yo) were married and had children before coming out. That can be explained by the fact that homosexuality was so taboo and viewed as sinful when they were younger, that they (understandably) succumbed to peer pressure and got married and tried to live a "normal, heterosexual life". Then, 20 years of unhappiness later, when it starts being possible to be openly gay, they divorce and finally live their life as they see fit.

I know at least 3 persons in that situation.

And we haven't talked about a gay couple pairing up with a lesbian couple to get children.

So yes, gays and lesbians can reproduce. I'd be interested to hear how anyone might think of preventing them from doing so, though.

Side note: I live in Canada, where gays and lesbian can now adopt. Anarchy hasn't befallen our society, and our homes have yet to be cleansed by holy fire falling from the sky. Oh, and I haven't heard of a single case of child abuse by homosexual parents.

Because, gay sex in the bible is GOOD gay sex, not like that bad modern gay sex... or something...

All gay sex is GOOD gay sex if you ask me :-P

But I might be biased...

All gay sex is GOOD gay sex if you ask me :-P

:)

The bill also would ban materials that recognize or promote a lifestyle or actions prohibited by the sodomy and sexual misconduct laws of Alabama. Allen said that meant books with heterosexual couples committing those acts likely would be banned, too.

Just a thought...doesn't the bible have references to such acts that would fall under the "sexual misconduct" laws? Someone help me out here...something to do with Solomon has a reference to oral sex...just can't remember what it is called.

Why do I have a feeling they wouldn't remove THAT book though??? :D

Song of Solomon 2:3 "As the apple tree among the trees of the wood, so is my beloved among the sons. I sat down under his shadow with great delight, and his fruit was sweet to my taste".

I think it is fairly obvious what it means for a woman to "sit under" a man's "shadow", and "taste" his "fruit"...

All sex is good sex. Even uptight prudie sex.

exactly. ;)

All sex is good sex. Even uptight prudie sex.

Amen!

Oh, wait, I mean agreed! (Wouldn't want to offend some uptight religious prudie now, would we?)

Amen!

Oh, wait, I mean agreed! (Wouldn't want to offend some uptight religious prudie now, would we?)

There's no way NOT to offend most uptight prudies, it would seem, Skalador. Barring becoming one of them...one of them...one of them...

I'm a bit suprised nobody reacted to my post about homosexual reproduction on the previous page. I thought it would foster more questions...

Anyway, it's fun to see how most uptight religious prudies fear gays and what they call the "gay lifestyle". Why must children be so protected against them anyway?

Is it because if you don't burn books with gay characters, children will realise how much fun being gay can be? Every kid in town will be saying "screw being straight, I'd rather be gay!" or something among those lines?

Why are they so scared they're trying to burn gay references off the face of the planet?

Presumably because they're trying to cover up their own horribly guilt-ridden homosexual tendencies.

It's usually the one who farts most who complains about the smell.

Presumably because they're trying to cover up their own horribly guilt-ridden homosexual tendencies.

It's usually the one who farts most who complains about the smell.

Too bad. I liked the idea of them being afraid of everyone realizing how much better being gay is :-P

But worry not, dear heterosexuals, we gays accept you for who you are. Even if we're not sure being straight is natural, and that we believe it is a sin against God.

/sarcasm

I'm a bit suprised nobody reacted to my post about homosexual reproduction on the previous page. I thought it would foster more questions...

Anyway, it's fun to see how most uptight religious prudies fear gays and what they call the "gay lifestyle". Why must children be so protected against them anyway?

Is it because if you don't burn books with gay characters, children will realise how much fun being gay can be? Every kid in town will be saying "screw being straight, I'd rather be gay!" or something among those lines?

Why are they so scared they're trying to burn gay references off the face of the planet?

I did mention the turkey baster...

Maybe I didn't react because I know people are born the way they are.

Maybe I wouldn't burn books.

Or maybe I'm not a "religious fundie"... Might be religious, might be Jewish, might be Christian (depending on which time in my life we're talking about), might be a fundie, but what does that mean?

Maybe I don't have a problem with anyone being gay, because I've lived a bisexual lifestyle in my youth.

Quote of the day.

Ingenius innit.

I think that if any good comes out of this, it will be that liberals have (even more) proof that Republicans are fascists.

I said it before on my thread about fundamentalism around the world--there is no difference, from a social point of view, between the teachings of Mullah Omar and Jerry Falwell, between the teachings of Osama Bin Laden and James Dobson. The religious right might as well be called the American Taliban.
This is why Europeans are scared. The Americans who are waging a war against violent Muslim fundamentalists are becoming more and more like the enemy.

Just a thought...doesn't the bible have references to such acts that would fall under the "sexual misconduct" laws? Someone help me out here...something to do with Solomon has a reference to oral sex...just can't remember what it is called.

Why do I have a feeling they wouldn't remove THAT book though??? :D
You are talking about people who want to eventually ban every book other than the Bible.

While I think Homosexuality is a disease that will eventually be cured in some way or another. Such actions are despicable and typify AmeriKKKa and its hateful agenda. War against AmeriKKKa is a must for Europe.
Please ignore this blathering idiot.

Well, I was raised Unitarian, and was successfully indoctrinated into the ways of tolerance - but I left them because I just can't tolerate blind ignorance, and I'm more inclined to stand up for myself than to find a way to accomodate uptight prudie attitudes.

While I think Homosexuality is a disease that will eventually be cured in some way or another. Such actions are despicable and typify AmeriKKKa and its hateful agenda. War against AmeriKKKa is a must for Europe.

Hey! A troll!

Alabama is not the country.

Hey! A troll!

Alabama is not the country.

Unfortunately, however, it does represent a trend... and that trend is getting a lot of people scared.

Anyway, it's fun to see how most uptight religious prudies fear gays and what they call the "gay lifestyle". Why must children be so protected against them anyway?

Are you high or something?

You let the gay people just walk free and accepted in society and you'll start seeing a rash of drive by interior decoratings, all show tune radio stations and heterosexuals watching the Tony awards for God's sake.

Is that what you want? Please, won't somebody THINK OF THE CHILDREN?!?!

The bible clearly says: "And when comes to pass that Nascar patrons doth don Prada, and get highlights in thine mullets, surely your redemption is nigh."

Homosexuals are gay.

How about this for the quote of the day?

Are you high or something?

You let the gay people just walk free and accepted in society and you'll start seeing a rash of drive by interior decoratings, all show tune radio stations and heterosexuals watching the Tony awards for God's sake.

Is that what you want? Please, won't somebody THINK OF THE CHILDREN?!?!

The bible clearly says: "And when comes to pass that Nascar patrons doth don Prada, and get highlights in thine mullets, surely your redemption is nigh."


Don't forget all the Liza and Babs music!

How about this for the quote of the day?

Absolute gem isn't it.

Hey, they can burn all the books they like. They probably can't read them anyway. Besides, if you really want to do something about gays, do it like they do here in Laramie, WY, tie 'em to a fence.

Unfortunately, however, it does represent a trend... and that trend is getting a lot of people scared.

Well this kind of crap has always gone on. It's not new.

The thing to be scared is if it passes.

Hey, they can burn all the books they like. They probably can't read them anyway. Besides, if you really want to do something about gays, do it like they do here in Laramie, WY, tie 'em to a fence.

Yummie! Flamebait!

That's ok sweetie. I will probably be the only one that responds!

:fluffle:

Source: http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/news/1101896768316400.xml



Part of me is outraged, another part of me isn't surprised.

"He who burns books shall soon burn people"

F*ck those homophobes. F*ck 'em in the ass.

Well this kind of crap has always gone on. It's not new.

The thing to be scared is if it passes.

It's the crest of a wave, though... a man elected in South Carolina because he wants to stop homosexuals or single mothers from being allowed to teach in schools; the resumption of religions attack on evolution in the clasrooms (Carolina, again); the decay of sexual education in classrooms (Texas), a president that claims he was elected (the first time) because God wanted him to be in power to fight "Terror"; burning books in Alabama...

The Christian fundamentalist is exerting control over the politics of America - and, just like fundamentalists anywhere in the world - it is making other people (even the US's allies) jumpy.

It's the crest of a wave, though... a man elected in South Carolina because he wants to stop homosexuals or single mothers from being allowed to teach in schools; the resumption of religions attack on evolution in the clasrooms (Carolina, again); the decay of sexual education in classrooms (Texas), a president that claims he was elected (the first time) because God wanted him to be in power to fight "Terror"; burning books in Alabama...

The Christian fundamentalist is exerting control over the politics of America - and, just like fundamentalists anywhere in the world - it is making other people (even the US's allies) jumpy.
They are taking enough rope to hang themselves. Most Americans don't agree with banning evolution in public schools or with criminalizing homosexual behavior in private. When the fundies get on TV and in newspapers trying to push their agenda the majority of Americans will see what assholes they are and unify against them.

The Christian fundamentalist is exerting control over the politics of America - and, just like fundamentalists anywhere in the world - it is making other people (even the US's allies) jumpy.

Allies? What the hell are you talking about? It's making me jumpy, and I live here!
:eek:

F*ck those homophobes. F*ck 'em in the ass.
another fine submission for quote of the day.

Sometimes I have but pity for Americans....

I still have such trouble understanding how we are such a great nation, where 'all men are created equal', yet we stil have trouble tolerating those that are different! They are just the same as all of us, yet we deem their love wrong and immoral. I find THIS cruel and unusual punishment in our nation of equals, and I find the intolerance of our nation apalling. I truly do pity America.

As a side note(I'm firmly against book burning) Does anyone know of any concrete proof that homosexuality is genetic?


Are you saying you choose to be straight? You are attracted to people physically because your body is attracted to them, yes you can be attrached to them for other internal characteristics, but if you don't find them attractive phsyically in the first place your not going to just because it's what society says.

You don't choose to be straight, a homosexual or bisexual doesn't choose to be homosexual, it's not like it's a very safe thing to be in this nation anyway so why would one choose to be if it wasn't truely who they are.

I'm striaght, my husband is bi. He's now of couse in a heterosexual relationship but it happened because I happened to be the one he fell for, it could have been a man but it wasn't and in the end what does it really matter to people. I could see if someone is hitting on you and you tell them you're not interested and they don't stop, but other then that, what grounds does anyone have a leg to stand on?

Is it just me or do I see some people being scared of homosexuals trying to 'convert' others to be like them? I've got a little news for you people, sexual orientation happens, you're born and you're either straight, homo- or bisexual. It's not something you can become or something you can get rid of or somekind of disease. And for the people who can't stand homeosexuals because of their religion, I've got a nice one for you (thought I myself am not religious) if God creates men he also created homosexual men so ACCEPT the creations of god! (hehehe)
Proud to live in The Netherlands, a tolerant nation, though it's getting less and less tolerant by the day due to certain politicians....

The bible clearly says: "And when comes to pass that Nascar patrons doth don Prada, and get highlights in thine mullets, surely your redemption is nigh."
What is Nascar?

Here's a little experiment to see if homosexuality is a choice or not. Go out and buy some gay porn. Try to jerk off to it. If you cannot, homosexuality is not a choice. If you can, you are gay.

What is Nascar?
The stock car racing association. Harvick rules!!! 29

Here's a little experiment to see if homosexuality is a choice or not. Go out and buy some gay porn. Try to jerk off to it. If you cannot, homosexuality is not a choice. If you can, you are gay.

LOL nice one, let's see if someone can oppose this argument

They are taking enough rope to hang themselves. Most Americans don't agree with banning evolution in public schools or with criminalizing homosexual behavior in private. When the fundies get on TV and in newspapers trying to push their agenda the majority of Americans will see what assholes they are and unify against them.

Except that America just voted in a religious fundamentalist president, who basically ran on the issues of 'anti-abortion' and 'anti-gay-marriage'.

The 'fundie-in-chief' pushed his agenda, and the majority of american voters lapped it up.

LOL nice one, let's see if someone can oppose this argument

You could be bi and not know or not acknowlage it.

I don't get excited with female on female porn but I've seen guys get very excited over it. Does that mean they want to be lisbean woman? Probably not in most cases it doesn't.

Except that America just voted in a religious fundamentalist president, who basically ran on the issues of 'anti-abortion' and 'anti-gay-marriage'.

The 'fundie-in-chief' pushed his agenda, and the majority of american voters lapped it up.
I just don't beleive that the majority of my people would want a theocracy. I think there were other issues at work. Some of my friends voted Bush. They did so because they thought Kerry didn't stand for anything. The flip/flopper argument won them over. Bush also won over some voters because they saw him as being tougher on terrorism than Kerry. It ammuses me that the states most at risk of a terrorist attack voted Kerry and the states no self-respecting terrorist would touch (nebraska, alabama, etc.) voted Bush.

Except that America just voted in a religious fundamentalist president, who basically ran on the issues of 'anti-abortion' and 'anti-gay-marriage'.

The 'fundie-in-chief' pushed his agenda, and the majority of american voters lapped it up.

The majority was small.

61.9 million for the shrub
60 Million against.

http://www.uselectionatlas.org/USPRESIDENT/national.php?f=0

You could be bi and not know or not acknowlage it.

I don't get excited with female on female porn but I've seen guys get very excited over it. Does that mean they want to be lisbean woman? Probably not in most cases it doesn't.
Gay, lesbian, bi, let's just simplify the whole mess and call them sodomites. It even sounds classier.

What is Nascar?

Stock car racing.


http://www.nascar.com/

What is Nascar?
It's a type of open-quiche, made with pumpkins.

As a side note(I'm firmly against book burning) Does anyone know of any concrete proof that homosexuality is genetic?

I can't speak for the validity of it, but I read this article last night:
http://www.planetout.com/news/article.html?2004/12/06/4

Gay, lesbian, bi, let's just simplify the whole mess and call them sodomites. It even sounds classier.

Except there is a difference.

Anyone realize that in the US we base our system of government off of enslaving "sodomites", if you must be a complete ass about it and use that word.

What is Nascar?


Ha ha ha ha!! :D

Look at this link : nascar (http://www.nascar.com)

I'm sorry, but it took me a while to stop laughing, I forget that Nascar is pretty much American only.

But, people like myself who don't like it think that Nascar stands for Non-Athethlic Sport Centered Around Rednecks

I am a Christian. I am an American, too, however. Banning or burning books goes against The First Amendment right to free expression and freedom of religion. If a person does not want to read a book, then they can choose some other book. If they do not want to read at all, then they can choose that way of life.

As for people who choose same-sex ways of life. That is their choice. I will pray for them.

Except there is a difference.

Anyone realize that in the US we base our system of government off of enslaving "sodomites", if you must be a complete ass about it and use that word.
I was kidding about the "sodomites" thing. BTW what do you mean that "we base our system off of enslaving sodomites"? What system? How are gays enslaved?

As for people who choose same-sex ways of life. That is their choice. I will pray for them.

I pity those who choose ignorance and blindly follow religious leaders who also choose ignorance. That is their choice. I will pray for them.

Can anyone say, Farenheit 451? (It woudl be embarrasing if I mispelled it, oh well..)

You spelled Farenheit 451 correctly, but you did not escape unscathed. Seems you fell apart after "it"

I was kidding about the "sodomites" thing. BTW what do you mean that "we base our system off of enslaving sodomites"? What system? How are gays enslaved?

The Greeks and the whole idea of a republic. It was a society ruled by manly gay males and had a striving slavery and hirearchy system.

I pity those who choose ignorance and blindly follow religious leaders who also choose ignorance. That is their choice. I will pray for them.

I have no pity for the homosexuals, because this implies I can judge them as something needing pity. I pray that God shows them His mercy for their choice to go against Him. My recommendation is to repent and sin no more. If the person is so driven to continue sinning, then my prayer is that in the name of Jesus, God will forgive them too.

I have no pity for the homosexuals, because this implies I can judge them as something needing pity. I pray that God shows them His mercy for their choice to go against Him. My recommendation is to repent and sin no more. If the person is so driven to continue sinning, then my prayer is that in the name of Jesus, God will forgive them too.

Sexuality is not a choice.

So if you are going to blame someone for their sexuality, you have to blame God.

I just don't beleive that the majority of my people would want a theocracy. I think there were other issues at work. Some of my friends voted Bush. They did so because they thought Kerry didn't stand for anything. The flip/flopper argument won them over. Bush also won over some voters because they saw him as being tougher on terrorism than Kerry. It ammuses me that the states most at risk of a terrorist attack voted Kerry and the states no self-respecting terrorist would touch (nebraska, alabama, etc.) voted Bush.

But, that is what is scaring the rest of the world.

Bush is obviously unpopular. Bush is obviously hypocritical. Bush is obviously 'playing' the Americans (Making pre-election speeches with the WTC as a back-drop... that was pretty low).

And, yet... Bush is president again.

The rest of the world KNOWS America must be smarter than it's politics is suggesting... but, voting Bush in again - in light of all the things he 'stands for'... it's just making people edgy.

Sexuality is not a choice.

So if you are going to blame someone for their sexuality, you have to blame God.

Humans have free will. It is a choice. People can choose to learn what God wants and then to abide by His will, or they can choose to remain ignorant, and they can choose, even after knowing better, to sin. By the way, sin is whatever separates a human from God. If going against the will of God separates us from Him, then it is a sin.

Humans have free will. It is a choice. People can choose to learn what God wants and then to abide by His will, or they can choose to remain ignorant, and they can choose, even after knowing better, to sin. By the way, sin is whatever separates a human from God. If going against the will of God separates us from Him, then it is a sin.

No one chooses who they are attracted to. The only choice is whether or not to act on attractions.

Now, if *you* choose to believe that God wants this group over here to act on their attractions and this other group over here to never find love and live a lonely life, that is fine. I do not agree.

Saying that sexuality is a choice is like saying that skin color, eye color, or whether or not you like salty foods is a "choice."

No one chooses who they are attracted to. The only choice is whether or not to act on attractions.

Now, if *you* choose to believe that God wants this group over here to act on their attractions and this other group over here to never find love and live a lonely life, that is fine. I do not agree.

Saying that sexuality is a choice is like saying that skin color, eye color, or whether or not you like salty foods is a "choice."

If I am tempted to steal, kill, worship idols, dishonor my parents and the like, then I am tempted. I choose not to do so. If I am a man and I feel some great urge to practice some sort of man-on-man sex act, and I resist that temptation, then I am doing what God wants. Likewise, if I fall for this temptation, then I am doing something God does not want me to do.

The same is true for a married man or woman who commits adultery. If they have done this sin, then they should repent, ask forgiveness in the name of Jesus and sin no more.

As for salty food, I like it. I should not eat it because I have high blood pressure. Yet, I eat salty food. I am hurting my body, which is something God does not want me to do. I pray for His forgiveness for this and other mistakes I make. I am trying to reduce my salt intake. God knows this.

Likewise, He understands all of the temptations humans experience.

Burning books is a sin. It seeks to prevent people from having choices to read or not to read. God wants people to have choices. He wants us to choose what He wants, but sometimes we err. Removing the choice, however, goes against the free will concept that God gave to us -- from the moment when He told Adam and Eve not to eat from one tree.

But, that is what is scaring the rest of the world.

Bush is obviously unpopular. Bush is obviously hypocritical. Bush is obviously 'playing' the Americans (Making pre-election speeches with the WTC as a back-drop... that was pretty low).

And, yet... Bush is president again.

The rest of the world KNOWS America must be smarter than it's politics is suggesting... but, voting Bush in again - in light of all the things he 'stands for'... it's just making people edgy.
Four more years. Just four more years. How much damage can he do in that ammount of time? I mean besides maybe getting us into another unnecessary war, neglecting more important international business, further ruining the economy, etc.

Ignorance is strength, after all.

Here's a little experiment to see if homosexuality is a choice or not. Go out and buy some gay porn. Try to jerk off to it. If you cannot, homosexuality is not a choice. If you can, you are gay.


You get a hero cookie.

To understand the thinking correct, the issue is the way some children are impressionable. They copy everything they see and read. This is what seems to scare the fundis. But banning books is a poor way to go about it. Lets start with the parents, do they have ANY accountability for what their children are doing. Is there really a problem in Alabama were children are hold up in a dimly lit corner reading gay literature? I think we are missing a more important issue here. This attempt at fascism is a cry for help. Let's find the Uncle or male summer counselor that "wronged" Gerald Allen. Let's make him pay for scaring this man in such a way he needs to lash out this way. I say Justice for Gerald Allen!!!!!

Four more years. Just four more years. How much damage can he do in that ammount of time? I mean besides maybe getting us into another unnecessary war, neglecting more important international business, further ruining the economy, etc.

How much damage...

The day after the last election, in one of these threads, I posted predictions... I claimed there would be another terror strike on American soil within a year (and, for those of you paying attention to the news - especially conspiracy theorists - we now know WHAT that terror-strike will be).

I claimed that America would be at war with Iran within two years - although I didn't know what the 'excuse' would be. I am now revising that prediction, since I think it will now be within a year - and we now know what the excuse will be, too... Hell, why come up with another excuse when the first one already worked???

I also predicted a draft, whcih hasn't happened yet, although a detatchment of Marines were sent to Jetta (spell?) this last week, and 15,000 more troops are set to land in Iraq mid-January... so it is definitely still on the cards...


Yes... What harm could he do...

Thank god four years isn't forever.

For-fucking-bid!

No, I was just a stupid child that went "Hey, let's see why the lights in mommy's and daddy's room are on at night". *shudders*
that's why i'm getting a locks on doors when i have kids...

*snip*

So you do believe that God basically said:

"You people, find love, get married, and have sex. Love is great and sex is great as long as you're married."

"You other people, don't even try and find love. You are evil and I hate you. If you act on anything your hormones tell you to do, you will go to Hell. Nevermind that I put those hormones there."

Yeah, Great God *you* believe in.

So you do believe that God basically said:

"You people, find love, get married, and have sex. Love is great and sex is great as long as you're married."

"You other people, don't even try and find love. You are evil and I hate you. If you act on anything your hormones tell you to do, you will go to Hell. Nevermind that I put those hormones there."

Yeah, Great God *you* believe in.

It's one of those things that always amazes me...

Someone hates 'gays'... but they are a christian... so, logically, they reason that god must hate 'gays'...

It's incredible how people tailor their gods to fit their prejudices.

So you do believe that God basically said:

"You people, find love, get married, and have sex. Love is great and sex is great as long as you're married."

"You other people, don't even try and find love. You are evil and I hate you. If you act on anything your hormones tell you to do, you will go to Hell. Nevermind that I put those hormones there."

Yeah, Great God *you* believe in.

Unfortunately that's the way the human mind works, you create a religion with a god that only supports your visions and denies everything else. Well not really denies, but disapproves everything else, especially other religions I believe it's called fundamentalism. Quite sick but hey, were mankind and we screw up alot of things so let's 'invent' religious fundamentalism!

I'm not reading it all. But frankly I'm against the burning of any book. The printed word is 'sacred' to me.

I mean really. Grave_n_idle, why on Earth would someone create a religion where God does not like what they like? If (when?) I create my religion, I'd make God be proud of all hot chicks' boobies. Therefore, as His first prophet, they must show them to me so I could glorify Him. Anyone else want to join?

BeanSlave.
{tongue firmly in cheek, but I do really like boobies...}

P.S. "Grave_n_idle", great nic!

I don't know about you, but when I as a man look at a woman, I notice her as some one I could potentially have sex with. When I look at a man, I see a man, nothing more. I don't choose to be straight, so how can I condemn those who like men? As far as protecting kids from gays, I see it this way, if they are gay, gay books will let them know they are not alone, if they are straight, I highly doubt they will be convinced to hop the fence.



By the way the nation of incoherent is not my personal view, but that of a certian nation with an eagle as it's national animal. It's in North America, and not Canada.

2. Let's just face it people. The people in Alabama are still living in the 1950's where blacks aren't accepted and niether are gays. They even have the confederate flag on thier state flag.[/QUOTE]

A couple of things incorrect about this statement. The first thing I will point out is that although there are some bigoted morons in Alabama, I have found this true in every state. Alabama has a bad reputation for racism due to a past they cannot escape. However, growing up in a small town there, I can profess that there was little to no racism felt by people I knew (and yes, I even knew people outside of my race! Wow!). Secondly, the confederate flag is not any part of the Alabama state flag. Yes, they both use St. Andrew's cross in the design, but let me point out that the Alabama state flag was being used long before the Confederate flag ever existed.

Stick to what you know and don't make up generalizations about something and someone you know nothing about.

It amuses me that the states most at risk of a terrorist attack voted Kerry and the states no self-respecting terrorist would touch (nebraska, alabama, etc.) voted Bush.
People in the rural states could afford to be more detached from reality in their voting choices. Thus they largely voted on "moral issues". They thought "Kerry = liberal" (oh no!); "Bush = conservative" (*orgasm*) and went from there.

A couple of things incorrect about this statement. The first thing I will point out is that although there are some bigoted morons in Alabama, I have found this true in every state. Alabama has a bad reputation for racism due to a past they cannot escape. However, growing up in a small town there, I can profess that there was little to no racism felt by people I knew (and yes, I even knew people outside of my race! Wow!). Secondly, the confederate flag is not any part of the Alabama state flag. Yes, they both use St. Andrew's cross in the design, but let me point out that the Alabama state flag was being used long before the Confederate flag ever existed.

Too be fair, they did just vote to leave segregation in their constitution.

I claimed that America would be at war with Iran within two years - although I didn't know what the 'excuse' would be. I am now revising that prediction, since I think it will now be within a year - and we now know what the excuse will be, too... Hell, why come up with another excuse when the first one already worked???
I don't think America will invade Iran. Simply because they can't. Their forces are stretched thin in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I don't think America will invade Iran. Simply because they can't. Their forces are stretched thin in Iraq and Afghanistan.

You undersestimate the religious zeal of our president.

Anyway, we need to seperate them from society and prevent them from reproducing(however that is feasible{sp?}), adopting, or promoting themselves.

George Carlon suggested that some time ago in one of his stand ups. In a statement about solving America's prison problems he said, "We need to fence off one of those square states like nebraska with a 20ft high barbed wire fence and put in all the socialy defunct and criminals. Also, add in all those people who are gay, sadist, pedifiles and let them suck, fu#k, and fondle each other to death. Then to make it realy interesting you put in a 5x5 gate that is opened once a year for 5 minutes and sell the event on pay per view."

It wont get passed if it does, I will lose faith in this country, or at least, the Southern half of it.

Its really too bad, but we will get over it, just like the movement for black rights and when so many people were rascist toward them now there is much much less, still some, but its been chopped in half many many times. Its just a struggle in our great country, but the homosexuals shall rise up and overcome! (If it works in that way)

George Carlon suggested that some time ago in one of his stand ups. In a statement about solving America's prison problems he said, "We need to fence off one of those square states like nebraska with a 20ft high barbed wire fence and put in all the socialy defunct and criminals. Also, add in all those people who are gay, sadist, pedifiles and let them suck, fu#k, and fondle each other to death. Then to make it realy interesting you put in a 5x5 gate that is opened once a year for 5 minutes and sell the event on pay per view."

Heh. You're horribly paraphrasing.

Carlin said, and I quote: "We're not going to bother consenting adults who like getting dressed up in leather boyscout uniforms and smash eachother in the forehead with ballpeen hammers while they take turns blowing their cat. It's a victimless hobby. And think of how good the cat must feel! No, I'm talking about rapists and molesters. Those hopeless romantics. Who are so full of love that they can't help getting a little of it on ya. Ususally on your leg."

ahhh hitlers back a a layer COULD IT GET ANY WORSE!!! :(

2. Let's just face it people. The people in Alabama are still living in the 1950's where blacks aren't accepted and niether are gays. They even have the confederate flag on thier state flag.

I heard they also want to add a swastika and a middle finger to liven things up a bit.

"Where books are burned, so will men."

This time, lets skip the burning of books, and jump straight to the burning of men and kill this moron.

This is crap

Since when as anyone givin' a crap about
alabama. If they want to be redneck then let
them be redneck.

The only thing they can be used for
is...they can be sent to Iraq. Everybody
owns a gun down there in the south, so the government saves a
little money there.
They would be good fighters becaue
they hunt and they think that the south
won the civil war.

Also those redneck soldiers woud eat the bodies they
killed becasue they are too poor to get food back here
in america!!
As for banning books...
It doesnt matter if they ban books
nobody can read good down there anyway.

I see your logic. I completely agree

You know, I have my own, relgion-based views on homosexuality, but burning books goes way, way over the line. I don't care what's in them, banning the spread of information is wrong, bottom line.

The Greeks and the whole idea of a republic. It was a society ruled by manly gay males and had a striving slavery and hirearchy system.

Actually the Greeks came up with democracy the Romans came up with the republic (yeah I know Plato coined the term but the Romans implemented it). And the Romans weren't gay, they were bi.

Excellent news: Here in Canada, the legal definition of marriage has just been revised to include same sex unions. To keep the uber-religious people from getting offended, it has been decided that religious workers cannot be forced to perform a same-sex marriage against their will. Works for everyone, right?

"Where books are burned, so will men."

This time, lets skip the burning of books, and jump straight to the burning of men and kill this moron.

I hate this stupid, illogical argument.

No, if you burn books you will not then go straight into burning men.

You need to get a whole lot more firewood...

Some of the guys that started the hyper-consumerist idiot society of Fahrenheit 451 must have been from Alabama, since burning all books is an integral part of the system, and intelligent people are forced to wander the rural areas and slums.
You need to study your literature more FAh. 451 was a commentary on the leftists trends in society as well as 1984 or Animal Farm or A Brave New World... The biggest threat to society is the pervasive nontolerance of the ultratolerant left....

"Common Johnny. Just suck a cock. Everyone's doing it."

I wasn't aware homosexuals could be "recruited" :p

You need to study your literature more FAh. 451 was a commentary on the leftists trends in society as well as 1984 or Animal Farm or A Brave New World... The biggest threat to society is the pervasive nontolerance of the ultratolerant left....
no they were talking about the fascists with the communist visade, aka what in america is currently labeled "the right" but without the communist, they are just plain fascists

You need to study your literature more FAh. 451 was a commentary on the leftists trends in society as well as 1984 or Animal Farm or A Brave New World... The biggest threat to society is the pervasive nontolerance of the ultratolerant left....
We have far more to fear from outright intolerant bigots in the Religious Right than from misguided politically correct leftists.

Excellent news: Here in Canada, the legal definition of marriage has just been revised to include same sex unions. To keep the uber-religious people from getting offended, it has been decided that religious workers cannot be forced to perform a same-sex marriage against their will. Works for everyone, right?
I just heard about that this morning. Great news. New Zealand is also legalizing civil unions (with full marriage benefits) as well.

I wonder how much further America will move to the right as the rest of the Western world moves to the left.

Source: http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/news/1101896768316400.xml



Part of me is outraged, another part of me isn't surprised.

"He who burns books shall soon burn people"
You are being a bit hypocriticl here...Most on the left want to ban any mention of the Christian conception of God out of any public areana and would love to burn all the Bibles they come across....

We have far more to fear from outright intolerant bigots in the Religious Right than from misguided politically correct leftists.


I just heard about that this morning. Great news. New Zealand is also legalizing civil unions (with full marriage benefits) as well.

I wonder how much further America will move to the right as the rest of the Western world moves to the left.


I love canada!

You are being a bit hypocriticl here...Most on the left want to ban any mention of the Christian conception of God out of any public areana and would love to burn all the Bibles they come across....
Point me to one member of the Democratic Party who has introduced a bill to burn Bibles.

You are being a bit hypocriticl here...Most on the left want to ban any mention of the Christian conception of God out of any public areana and would love to burn all the Bibles they come across....

Lies.

Book burning is a thing liberals hate. Most Conservatives do as well.

To ban Christianity would violate the seperation of Chruch and state.

Promoting Christianity in goverment and or it's institutions violates the seperation of Chruch and State.

no they were talking about the fascists with the communist visade, aka what in america is currently labeled "the right" but without the communist, they are just plain fascists
You are wrong too....Reraed the books and then read the follow up commenataries by the writers... George Orwell was an avowed communists and later left that political philosophy when he saw how corrupt it truly was... I am not taking this out of context it is simple fact.... And political science text teaches that fascism is more closely related to left thought then to any right wing thought.... Hitler's fascist Germany subverted the religous right and twisted Chriatianity into nazism....Hitler hated the teachings of Christ because it taught that all could be loved and forgiven and tha tnone were pure....

Point me to one member of the Democratic Party who has introduced a bill to burn Bibles.
I like the way u think!

I hate this stupid, illogical argument.

No, if you burn books you will not then go straight into burning men.

You need to get a whole lot more firewood...
It's pretty hard to burn books, you need a lot of gasoline. Especially Bibles, those things are coated in fire resistant resin I swear it. We melted binder rings and there was still some scripture left.

Also, on a more serious note, it means it will escalate eventually. It happened in the Witch Trials and Inquisition, first they burned pagan written knowledge, then they started burning people.

Lies.

Book burning is a thing liberals hate. Most Conservatives do as well.

To ban Christianity would violate the seperation of Chruch and state.

Promoting Christianity in goverment and or it's institutions violates the seperation of Chruch and State.
Yes but liberlas or leftists as I prefer want all Christians to keep theri opinions out of public life and all public places.... And the 1st amend. Forbides any law that establishes a religion and THE FREE PRACTICE THERE OF....And the left is trying to ban all Christian thought or practise from all public arenas...Sorry but true....

I heard they also want to add a swastika and a middle finger to liven things up a bit.
I wouldnt be supprised if they did.

You are wrong too....Reraed the books and then read the follow up commenataries by the writers... George Orwell was an avowed communists and later left that political philosophy when he saw how corrupt it truly was... I am not taking this out of context it is simple fact.... And political science text teaches that fascism is more closely related to left thought then to any right wing thought.... Hitler's fascist Germany subverted the religous right and twisted Chriatianity into nazism....Hitler hated the teachings of Christ because it taught that all could be loved and forgiven and tha tnone were pure....
i HAVE read animal farm, havnt forgot anything its not that long. and i ADDRESSED what you are for some reason trying to tell me. you are talking about fascism under a visad of communism. fascism = what is now referred to as "the right". the right is highly interested in controlling peoples personal lives through laws, fear tactics or emotional assaults. guess who wants to ban books and ban questionable material on tv? the right. guess who wants laws made to oppress a group of people bvecause they are different? the right. and there you go, hitler TWISTED christianity into naziism, there you go, you are the fucking winner. the end half of your statement COMPLETELY contradicts the first half, you are blinding yourself

Point me to one member of the Democratic Party who has introduced a bill to burn Bibles.
None more than likely but this idiot from Alabama does not speak for all conservative Christain Traditionalists..... I for one do not believe in burning any books except for those written by Madonna (and I think we are all in agreement on that one) I was adressing the idea of tolerance and the idea tha tit is ok to discrininate or slander Christians but no one else... Where is the tolerance that is called for by the leftists? Why is it reserved for all but Christians....

Yes but liberlas or leftists as I prefer want all Christians to keep theri opinions out of public life and all public places.... And the 1st amend. Forbides any law that establishes a religion and THE FREE PRACTICE THERE OF....And the left is trying to ban all Christian thought or practise from all public arenas...Sorry but true....
Free practice thereof does not mean you can erect religious monuments in State courthouses. That goes under establishment.

Yes but liberlas or leftists as I prefer want all Christians to keep theri opinions out of public life and all public places.... And the 1st amend. Forbides any law that establishes a religion and THE FREE PRACTICE THERE OF....And the left is trying to ban all Christian thought or practise from all public arenas...Sorry but true....
THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT A "PUBLIC" PLACE, not in this context. the "liberals" want the christians to keep their opinions OUT OF THE GOVERNMENT. no one gives a fuck if they state their opinions in PUBLIC, its when it starts affecting EVERYONE that the "liberals" want the christians to keep their opinions to themselves

christians CAN rent an ice skatign rink out for a jesus christ skating party
christians SHOULD NOT ask the government to put copies of the 10 commandments in the middle of courthouses
christians CAN hold meetings on school grounds, LIKE ANY OTHER GROUP (yes, they can, there was a courtcase)
christians SHOULD NOT ask all people at school to pray at any point in time
christians CAN petition the government to implement a bunch of bullshit christian laws
christians SHOULD NOT expect the government to implement any of it

Yes but liberlas or leftists as I prefer want all Christians to keep theri opinions out of public life and all public places.... And the 1st amend. Forbides any law that establishes a religion and THE FREE PRACTICE THERE OF....And the left is trying to ban all Christian thought or practise from all public arenas...Sorry but true....

Sorry the leftest boogyman does not exist. If Christianity is being challenged it's because they try to force they way into things.

Take for example that JackAss in Alabama. He was offered an out when somebody suggested a statue to all Relgion since it guides the moral of people. He only wanted the 10 commandments. -Buzzer sound- Violation of the seperation of church and state.

In San Francisco you can see a statue of a Giant Cross on a Hill. Nobody is trying to kill it. Why? Because any other Relgion has the right to install something if they so please.

Glad to see you know the clause. But what you fail to notice is that it means the Goverment is supposed to be Relgious neutral.

Even the "evil" ACLU stepped in and forced a school to include prayers in graduation speechs and year books.

Sorry no lefty commie kill christianity plot going on.

None more than likely but this idiot from Alabama does not speak for all conservative Christain Traditionalists..... I for one do not believe in burning any books except for those written by Madonna (and I think we are all in agreement on that one) I was adressing the idea of tolerance and the idea tha tit is ok to discrininate or slander Christians but no one else... Where is the tolerance that is called for by the leftists? Why is it reserved for all but Christians....
Christians are not being oppressed.

Christians are not being oppressed.

Christians are not being oppressed.


This constant "victim" act really irritates me. Just because you can't erect a cross on the White House does not mean Christianity is being discriminated against.

I agree with him. Gay people are screwed up. I'm not even Christian and I think that, so you can't get me there.

Anyway, we need to seperate them from society and prevent them from reproducing(however that is feasible{sp?}), adopting, or promoting themselves.

Wait! Lets just gather up all the homosexuals in the country and move them into work camps, and then we can heard them into chambers and gas them to death, and dump all their bodies in a mass grave! Or we can just incinerate them alive!!

Oh wait, thats a horrible thing to do, you nazi.

THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT A "PUBLIC" PLACE, not in this context. the "liberals" want the christians to keep their opinions OUT OF THE GOVERNMENT. no one gives a fuck if they state their opinions in PUBLIC, its when it starts affecting EVERYONE that the "liberals" want the christians to keep their opinions to themselves

christians CAN rent an ice skatign rink out for a jesus christ skating party
christians SHOULD NOT ask the government to put copies of the 10 commandments in the middle of courthouses
christians CAN hold meetings on school grounds, LIKE ANY OTHER GROUP (yes, they can, there was a courtcase)
christians SHOULD NOT ask all people at school to pray at any point in time
christians CAN petition the government to implement a bunch of bullshit christian laws
christians SHOULD NOT expect the government to implement any of it
But Christians have been told that theycan not let their children bring bibles to school.... After school prayer and bible studies have been disallowed in a school in Rochester Mn because they may offend non Christians....But at the same time Muslims have been allowed to set aside a prayer room to use throught out the day during school hours...It is out there....You are blinding your self....Why should the non religous left be able to dictate to the rest of us what is allowed....What makes you the expert on what is allowed? And why the cursing? Are you not capable of civil discourse with out the personal attacks?

But Christians have been told that theycan not let their children bring bibles to school.... After school prayer and bible studies have been disallowed in a school in Rochester Mn because they may offend non Christians....But at the same time Muslims have been allowed to set aside a prayer room to use throught out the day during school hours...It is out there....You are blinding your self....Why should the non religous left be able to dictate to the rest of us what is allowed....What makes you the expert on what is allowed? And why the cursing? Are you not capable of civil discourse with out the personal attacks?
1) providfe relatively unbiased proof
2) because the government and constiton and other laws are and should be secular, guess who is secular? not the religious right

I will say, if public schools are not allowing students to bring Bibles to school, but setting aside prayer rooms for Muslims, that is obviously wrong. However, I suspect a great many stories of students being persecuted for their Christianity are manufactured by the religious right.

If I could see a respectable news source documenting something as extreme as that, I would condemn it wholeheartedly.

why promote homosexuality when you can promote intolerance and condoned hatred

Definately.

But Christians have been told that theycan not let their children bring bibles to school.... After school prayer and bible studies have been disallowed in a school in Rochester Mn because they may offend non Christians....But at the same time Muslims have been allowed to set aside a prayer room to use throught out the day during school hours...It is out there....You are blinding your self....Why should the non religous left be able to dictate to the rest of us what is allowed....What makes you the expert on what is allowed? And why the cursing? Are you not capable of civil discourse with out the personal attacks?

So in Rochester where less then 5% of the population is muslim and about 60% of the population consider themselves christian the bible would not be allowed in school. Please at least cite the source of this information.

-Someone may have already mentioned this-

Doesn't anyone know how the law works here in the US? Even if by some strange twist of fate this crazy guy get this law passed through the Alabama legislature, the Supreme Court would take about 0.5 seconds to decide 9-0 that this law is unconstitutional. I mean, come on, talk about violating the First Amendment Freedom of Speech clause. There's no use even debating the issue here. The Supreme Court overturns crap less crazy than this every day. It'll never happen.

But Christians have been told that theycan not let their children bring bibles to school.... After school prayer and bible studies have been disallowed in a school in Rochester Mn because they may offend non Christians....But at the same time Muslims have been allowed to set aside a prayer room to use throught out the day during school hours...It is out there....You are blinding your self....Why should the non religous left be able to dictate to the rest of us what is allowed....What makes you the expert on what is allowed? And why the cursing? Are you not capable of civil discourse with out the personal attacks?

I am sorry I have to ask for proof on that one.

Saying Muslims can have a Prayer room and Christians can not? This violates the seperation of the church and state principle.

-Someone may have already mentioned this-

Doesn't anyone know how the law works here in the US? Even if by some strange twist of fate this crazy guy get this law passed through the Alabama legislature, the Supreme Court would take about 0.5 seconds to decide 9-0 that this law is unconstitutional. I mean, come on, talk about violating the First Amendment Freedom of Speech clause. There's no use even debating the issue here. The Supreme Court overturns crap less crazy than this every day. It'll never happen.


Another Scalia or two on the court and it just might.

Another Scalia or two on the court and it just might.
clarence thomas makes scalia look like a tree hugger

Okay, just because one man from Alabama is an idiot and a redneck doesn't mean the whole state is...just a lot of it...


welcome to alabama, this is why north alabama needs to be its own state, the redneck factor is high but not as high as that of anywhere south of birmingham.

i bet if we managed to the two seperated north alabama would get above the bottom 10 on the poll of crappiest places ever for various reasons

I agree, North Alabama and South Alabama are completely different.

I'm from Huntsville myself, ranked in the top ten in the US for best places to live.

Okay, just because one man from Alabama is an idiot and a redneck doesn't mean the whole state is...just a lot of it...




I agree, North Alabama and South Alabama are completely different.

I'm from Huntsville myself, ranked in the top ten in the US for best places to live.
yeah even ardmore is less redneck than south alabama on the way to florida, its like redneck land everywhere

I feel the same pity for people from places like alabama that I do for people from places like iran and afghanistan.

Consequentially, I feel that the people responsible for making alabama the way it is are in no way better than the people responsible for making iran the way it is.

Scum, enemies of humanity.

http://pages.cthome.net/andbookstoo/bookburn.jpg

You undersestimate the religious zeal of our president.
I'm not saying Bush doesn't want to; I'm saying that he is unable to invade Iran.

You need to study your literature more FAh. 451 was a commentary on the leftists trends in society as well as 1984 or Animal Farm or A Brave New World... The biggest threat to society is the pervasive nontolerance of the ultratolerant left....
Huxley and Orwell were writing about authoritarian regimes in general, both left and right.

I wonder how much further America will move to the right as the rest of the Western world moves to the left.
The western world isn't moving to the left. We're increasing freedom of trade (good) all the time and undermining our welfare states (bad). I think that most of the west is moving in a libertarian direction. America is moving in a fascist direction.

This thing is so unconstitutional, it is laughable. I bet that all but a few legislators would dare pass it, or else it'd otherwise be ruled unconstitutional by every court in its jurisdiction.

This thing is so unconstitutional, it is laughable. I bet that all but a few legislators would dare pass it, or else it'd otherwise be ruled unconstitutional by every court in its jurisdiction.IF they wanted it past, it would be introduced to vote directly. and i would bet they could get it to pass if they tried.

This is crap

Since when as anyone givin' a crap about
alabama. If they want to be redneck then let
them be redneck.

The only thing they can be used for
is...they can be sent to Iraq. Everybody
owns a gun down there in the south, so the government saves a
little money there.
They would be good fighters becaue
they hunt and they think that the south
won the civil war.

Also those redneck soldiers woud eat the bodies they
killed becasue they are too poor to get food back here
in america!!
As for banning books...
It doesnt matter if they ban books
nobody can read good down there anyway.

You're being as bigoted and stereotypical as the moron in the article is.

why promote homosexuality when you can promote intolerance and condoned hatred

yeah, Dorian Gray and the brideshead revisited are both great books and gays r fine (im a straight female so dont call me gay or a lez)

As a side note(I'm firmly against book burning) Does anyone know of any concrete proof that homosexuality is genetic?

Try a search on medline. A gene hasn't be identified, but there are many linkages that have been identified. Like most things, it is probably a combination of genetics and environment.

I think it's funny how he claims he's trying to "protect the children from the homosexual conspiracy" but is also trying to remove books from state universities that have gay characters.

I lived in South Carolina for 3 years, and I never saw anything this patently rediculous come to pass.

You know if we homosexuals don't have protection from the state, why do we pay taxes? Surely they don't want money tained by the "gay agenda".

The western world isn't moving to the left. We're increasing freedom of trade (good) all the time and undermining our welfare states (bad). I think that most of the west is moving in a libertarian direction. America is moving in a fascist direction.
That is a much better explanation. All too often "right" and "left" are blurred between economic and social meanings. The Western world is by far moving towards social liberalness/libertarianism, whereas America is increasingly moving towards social authoritarianism, the stepping stone to fascism.

This is completely independant of economic concerns, as you correctly pointed out.

just lookin at previous threads. Animal Farm; my brother had to read it 4 his english class so i read it because i was bored. (next year i can say ive read it :). )

I have two things to say about this.

1. In no way do I believe that being gay is right. I also think it is againest nature, but... I believe you are born with being gay and they should be accepted in/by the community.



It's not natural but you are born that way? Do you undertand the meaning of the word natural?

ROMANS WERE NOT GAY OR BI!!!! the spartans may hav been gay but find me evidence to suggest the romans

You let the gay people just walk free and accepted in society and you'll start seeing a rash of drive by interior decoratings, all show tune radio stations and heterosexuals watching the Tony awards for God's sake.

Sweet Jesus, I would love that!

Let the gay people walk! Let them walk!

Sweet Jesus, I would love that!

Let the gay people walk! Let them walk!
define show tunes

This reminds me of another incident, where someone tried to ban Harry Potter. Not because he was gay (and I think he is), but because 'ol Harry was a wizard. Wow. :rolleyes:

Or the guy who wanted to ban the Pledge of Allegiance? He was an atheist who thought the government was trying to force religion on him with the words "under God." Turns out, the Pledge didin't have those words before the 50's. So, instead of banning a symbol of patriotisim, why don't we revert to the politically-correct version? :headbang:

A show tune is the theme to a show, the little song you hear before, say, the Simpsons.

This reminds me of another incident, where someone tried to ban Harry Potter. Not because he was gay (and I think he is), but because 'ol Harry was a wizard. Wow. :rolleyes:

Or the guy who wanted to ban the Pledge of Allegiance? He was an atheist who thought the government was trying to force religion on him with the words "under God." Turns out, the Pledge didin't have those words before the 50's. So, instead of banning a symbol of patriotisim, why don't we revert to the politically-correct version? :headbang:

A show tune is the theme to a show, the little song you hear before, say, the Simpsons.
well just making sure because there are broadway definition of showtunes and there are literal show tunes from tv shows

Excellent news: Here in Canada, the legal definition of marriage has just been revised to include same sex unions. To keep the uber-religious people from getting offended, it has been decided that religious workers cannot be forced to perform a same-sex marriage against their will. Works for everyone, right?


Yes, was excellent news. Made my morning coffee/news ritual very rewarding :)

define show tunes

Better yet, I'll give you an example. :D

If You Were Gay from the musical Avenue Q

(spoken)

ROD
Aah, an afternoon alone with my favorite book, "Broadway
Musicals of the 1940s." No roommate to bother me.
How could it get any better than this?

NICKY
Oh, hi Rod!

ROD
Hi Nicky.

NICKY
Hey Rod, you'll never guess what happened to me on the subway this morning.
This guy was smiling at me and talking to me --

ROD
That's very interesting.

NICKY
He was being real friendly, and I think he was coming on to me.
I think he might've thought I was gay!

ROD
Ahem, so, uh, why are you telling me this? Why should I care?
I don't care. What did you have for lunch today?

NICKY
Oh, you don't have to get all defensive about it, Rod...

ROD
I'm NOT getting defensive! What do I care about some
gay guy you met, okay? I'm trying to read.

NICKY
Oh, I didn't mean anything by it, Rod. I just think it's
something we should be able to talk about.

ROD
I don't want to talk about it, Nicky! This conversation is over!!!

NICKY
Yeah, but...

ROD
Over!!!

NICKY
Well, okay, but just so you know --

(sung)

If you were gay
that'd be okay.
I mean 'cause, hey,
I'd like you anyway.

Because you see,
if it were me,
I would feel free
to say that I was gay
(but I'm not gay).

ROD
Nicky, please! I am trying to read...
What?!

NICKY
If you were queer
I'd still be here,
year after year
because you're dear
to me.
And I know that you
would accept me too,
if I told you today
"Hey! Guess what,
I'm gay!"
(But I'm not gay)

I'm happy
just being with you.
So what should it
matter to me
what you do in bed
with guys?

ROD
Nicky, that's GROSS!

NICKY
No, it's not!
If you were gay
I'd shout hooray!
And here I'd stay,
But I wouldn't get
in your way.
You can count on me
to always be
beside you every day,
to tell you it's okay,
you were just born
that way,
and, as they say,
it's in your DNA,
you're gay!

ROD
But I'm not gay!

NICKY
If you WERE gay.

ROD
Argh!

"Common Johnny. Just suck a cock. Everyone's doing it."

I wasn't aware homosexuals could be "recruited" :p

Well, worked for me. :p

ROMANS WERE NOT GAY OR BI!!!! the spartans may hav been gay but find me evidence to suggest the romans

ask and you shall receive....

http://www.oup.com/us/catalog/general/subject/ClassicalStudies/AncientHistory/Roman/?ci=0195113004&view=usa

Sometimes I have but pity for Americans....
Rather, you should pity Alabama and the South...their social progress is about 50 years behind the rest of the US.

wow. some people just never learn. homosexuality is not that bad. actually, its not bad at all! why would you ban books. that's just dumb. some people need to grow up, and realize that we live in the 21st century, and stop going by a book that is 2000 years old *the bible*

A show tune is the theme to a show, the little song you hear before, say, the Simpsons.

Actually showtunes are more often considered to be songs from Broadway type shoes like Maime or Avenue Q. Those songs you hear before TV shows are referred to as Theme Songs.

Christians are allowed to pray in schools where muslims are. At my school, they have a room where muslisms can pray.

My teacher was talking about it one day

I just assumed that christians couldnt' pray so I raised my own hand in anger and asked why they couldn't.

"They can pray there. Who said they couldn't?" was her reply.

The right wing just plays off people's outrage to get their support. YOU CAN PRAY IN SCHOOL as long as no faculty there is doing it. You just can't disrupt school you know, you can't just disrupt the middle of the class to do hail mary's and what not. Think I'm wrong? Pray while whispering in class during study block to prove me wrong.

Christians are allowed to pray in schools where muslims are. At my school, they have a room where muslisms can pray.

My teacher was talking about it one day

I just assumed that christians couldnt' pray so I raised my own hand in anger and asked why they couldn't.

"They can pray there. Who said they couldn't?" was her reply.

The right wing just plays off people's outrage to get their support. YOU CAN PRAY IN SCHOOL as long as no faculty there is doing it. You just can't disrupt school you know, you can't just disrupt the middle of the class to do hail mary's and what not. Think I'm wrong? Pray while whispering in class during study block to prove me wrong.


Prayer happens all the time.

Before Tests, quizs, and finals! ;)

You are being a bit hypocriticl here...Most on the left want to ban any mention of the Christian conception of God out of any public areana and would love to burn all the Bibles they come across....

This is the *dumbest* thing I have ever heard.

I have never met *any* "leftist" who wishes to ban/burn the Bible. In fact, I have met more non-Christian "leftists" who have actually read it than I have Christian fundamentalists, some of them even in it's original languages.

And what do you mean by "public arena." Because the only thing I have seen people up against is *government funded* religious symbols, which are wrong as per the 1st Amendment.

I think Gerald allen is an escapee from Pleasantville.

But Christians have been told that theycan not let their children bring bibles to school....

Children *can* bring their Bibles to school, they just can't read them when they are *supposed to be doing something else*. Any school with another policy is breaking the law - sue them.

After school prayer and bible studies have been disallowed in a school in Rochester Mn because they may offend non Christians....

This is also against the law - sue them. If they allow after school groups begun *by students*, they must allow this one.

But at the same time Muslims have been allowed to set aside a prayer room to use throught out the day during school hours...

Again...against the law - sue them.

I'm not saying Bush doesn't want to; I'm saying that he is unable to invade Iran.

Unable? No.

Unable to do so effectively and not screw up half the world? Yes.

But I don't know that the latter will stop him. He pulled out of Afghanistan almost completely to go after Saddam without totally doing away with Al Qaida. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if he left Iraq to its own devices so he could go after Iran.

Rather, you should pity Alabama and the South...their social progress is about 50 years behind the rest of the US.

Hey! All of us down here aren't bass ackwards!

Hey! All of us down here aren't bass ackwards!

How many teeth do you have? :p

This reminds me of another incident, where someone tried to ban Harry Potter. Not because he was gay (and I think he is), but because 'ol Harry was a wizard. Wow.
Yes, there was some uber-Protestant minister in northern Ireland who thought that Harry Potter encouraged Satanism in children!

How many teeth do you have? :p

One too many....

**needs to get a wisdom tooth pulled**

Unable? No.

Unable to do so effectively and not screw up half the world? Yes.

But I don't know that the latter will stop him. He pulled out of Afghanistan almost completely to go after Saddam without totally doing away with Al Qaida. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if he left Iraq to its own devices so he could go after Iran.
Actually, at this point, he can't, but not for the reason you might think. He can't because China now has Iran's back. When Iran signed a deal to become China's largest foreign oil supplier, they did so with the agreement that China would guarantee their security. I'd be willing to bet that if Bush tried to override his military people on that one, there would be a coup of some sort. MIlitary men follow orders, but I don't think any of them want to take on that kind of a suicide mission.

I mean really. Grave_n_idle, why on Earth would someone create a religion where God does not like what they like? If (when?) I create my religion, I'd make God be proud of all hot chicks' boobies. Therefore, as His first prophet, they must show them to me so I could glorify Him. Anyone else want to join?

BeanSlave.
{tongue firmly in cheek, but I do really like boobies...}

P.S. "Grave_n_idle", great nic!

The problem is, most people would be unwilling to admit that there might be a 'tailoring' process going on.

They would rather fudge together irreconcilable texts, and paper over the cracks (compare the OT and NT versions of god) - than allow for the fact that some human 'editing' might have taken place at any point.

PS. Thanks - I get the feeling most people don't 'get' the nick - nice to see that some do!:)

I don't think America will invade Iran. Simply because they can't. Their forces are stretched thin in Iraq and Afghanistan.

American forces aren't stretched that thinly, yet... there are another 15,000 troops landing in Iraq in a matter of weeks, so there must be reserves somewhere.

Also - don't know how many people live in the Bush Belt, but the Army is actively recruiting - cold-calling people who have previously taken the admissions test, for example, or who have asked for information.

Some of these people are being 'allowed' to join the army, even though they scored less than the 'pass-mark' on the aptitude tests. The bar is being lowered - and we are inching one step closer to the draft that Bush has repeatedly claimed will not happen.

Finally - we have to invade Iran. First: they are the baddies (in the Bush world), Second: they have NUKULAR weapons.... WHAT? they don't, they just have enrichment? WHAT? they have agreed not to continue that enrichment? WHAT? SORRY, CAN'T HEAR YOU - LA LA LA LA LA...

Banning books is like banning guns: just a bad idea.

Actually, banning guns is a good idea.
It means less likelihood of crime using guns, less likelihood of children finding guns and using them.
Hell, there should be more guncontroll as far as I'm concerned.

Banning books on the other hand is the worst idea ever.

This is the *dumbest* thing I have ever heard.

I have never met *any* "leftist" who wishes to ban/burn the Bible. In fact, I have met more non-Christian "leftists" who have actually read it than I have Christian fundamentalists, some of them even in it's original languages.

And what do you mean by "public arena." Because the only thing I have seen people up against is *government funded* religious symbols, which are wrong as per the 1st Amendment.

Me - for example.

I am a 'leftist', by American standards (so, somwheat conservative anywhere else in the world), but do not wish to burn bibles, and, in fact own several, and have read many more.

How many of this 'christian' victim faction have read the bible in Hebrew/Aramaic/Greek, I wonder?

How many have a Latin Bible?

Too many far-right christians confuse 'not wanting monotheistic religious paraphenalia in courthouses' with 'wanting to burn bibles'.

I'm suprized that he didn't take the suggestion just a small bit further, and suggest burning ALL books. Then stop this silly practise of teaching people to read, because only the priests should be able to read, and they will let us know what we need to know. This worked for the Church for hundreds of years.

Actually, banning guns is a good idea.
It means less likelihood of crime using guns, less likelihood of children finding guns and using them.
Hell, there should be more guncontroll as far as I'm concerned.

Banning books on the other hand is the worst idea ever.
I'm getting to the point of disliking any "banning" ideas by the government. I wouldn't say I'm libertarian, I'm fairly moderate economically, but I think its time we stopped banning things from the general population.

Is there any possibility the Libertarian and Green parties could merge? I'd vote for their hybrid candidate.

Actually, banning guns is a good idea.
It means less likelihood of crime using guns, less likelihood of children finding guns and using them.
Hell, there should be more guncontroll as far as I'm concerned.

Banning books on the other hand is the worst idea ever.

Then there will just be a black market.

It's Alabama, what do you expect, reason?

I live in Birmingham, Alabama. I'm not white. I'm not black. I'm not gay. But I don't hate gays because they're different. I think they should be accepted into society. The government shouldn't go on a rampage removing homosexual-referencing books from libraries and schools. If they had the power to do that, they could probably get rid of every single book ever created. Any interaction between a man and a man or a woman and a woman, and into the fires your book goes.
I don't believe this because of my position on gays. I believe this because of my position on free speech. If someone doesn't want to read about gays, they don't have to read those books. That's their view, after all.

Actually, banning guns is a good idea.
It means less likelihood of crime using guns, less likelihood of children finding guns and using them.
Hell, there should be more gun controll as far as I'm concerned.

Banning books on the other hand is the worst idea ever.

A book, a gun, a bible, a microphone... it's all the same thing.

Take your arguements and change the noun from "gun" to "Lilaeth's ideas".
I'm not saying this to be offensive, but to point out that EVERY Amendment protects our individual freedoms, and it is wrong to apply a different yardstick to any of them.