NationStates Jolt Archive

The states that voted for the tax slasher Bush in the last election tend to get more tax money back from the federal government than they pay out. The ones who voted for Kerry, the tax and spend liberal, pay more taxes out than they receive. Hey red states, have fun going broke.

So much for the myth of the "Rich Republicans", no?

The red states for the most part are already broke. It's the blue states that will go broke.

This is hardly a new idea. That's been known for quite a while.

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A considerable part of that is because the corporations which many in the red states work for are headquartered in the blue states. The corporate taxes are paid there, even if the majority of wage-earners don't work there. Also there are not too many of the dreaded farm subsidies being handed out in Rhode Island (even though many are paid to the farms owned by blue state corporations)

because of the nature of interstate commerce the true numbers are evasive at best. A close approximation could be made by comparing personal income tax collected to personal public assistance (welfare, food stamps) paid out. Being careful not to include corporate or business income tax or any other taxes. The ratio by state would be interesting. Maybe there is someone here with time to pursue it. (class project anyone?)

Nobody wants to do that? bummer.

I was just thinking about how annoying it is for the blue states to be subsidizing all the welfare bums in the red states.

OF COURSE WE WANT TO CUST TAXES! WE WANT YOU TO STOP GIVING ALL THE WELFARE BUMS IN OUR STATE MONEY SO THEY'LL GET TO WORK!


hee-hee-hee!

I'm still annoyed at the states being referred as 'red' and 'blue'. Does that count for something?

I'm still annoyed at the states being referred as 'red' and 'blue'. Does that count for something?
Were you thinking 'long the lines of scarlet and cerulean? Teehee!
Or plaid and opalescent?
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So much for the myth of the "Rich Republicans", no?
There are rich Democrats, rich Republicans, poor Democrats, and poor Republicans.

Namely, a Republican alliance exists between upperclass social moderates who like low taxes, and the poor rural community that votes based on God, guns, and gays.

The Democrat alliance consists of upperclass post-graduate liberals, and poor urban minorities.

Politics is all about coalitions.

What I find interesting is that the left stresses economic equality by all, yet complain when some states get more taxes. It should be appearant to the left that some states make less than others, right?

What I find interesting is that the left stresses economic equality by all, yet complain when some states get more taxes. It should be appearant to the left that some states make less than others, right?

We're only complaining cause we are so tired of Republicans complaining about how they want to abolish welfare yet they are one of the the biggest benefiter.

And, oh I personally complain because I want to live up to the "liberal elite" stereotype that republicans oh so dearly hate. And oh! State rights! Don't you republicans love that too?

We're only complaining cause we are so tired of Republicans complaining about how they want to abolish welfare yet they are one of the the biggest benefactor.
Err...you mean benefactee? Benefactors are the ones issuing aid...

The states that voted for the tax slasher Bush in the last election tend to get more tax money back from the federal government than they pay out. The ones who voted for Kerry, the tax and spend liberal, pay more taxes out than they receive. Hey red states, have fun going broke.
Are tax deductions considered part of the pay out money? If they are then that's probably why.

Err...you mean benefactee? Benefactors are the ones issuing aid...


Oops.

Are tax deductions considered part of the pay out money? If they are then that's probably why.
Just straight up cash flow from and to the Feds. DC gets more tax money than it gives, but most other places that voted for Kerry don't. It's a very interesting (and rather consistent) correlation that also worked in the 2000 election.

We're only complaining cause we are so tired of Republicans complaining about how they want to abolish welfare yet they are one of the the biggest benefactor.

And, oh I personally complain because I want to live up to the "liberal elite" stereotype that republicans oh so dearly hate. And oh! State rights! Don't you republicans love that too?

No, Republicans are not benefactors of welfare. We would be most pleased if you'd stop sending money to the welfare bums in our state thank-you.

No, Republicans are not benefactors of welfare. We would be most pleased if you'd stop sending money to the welfare bums in our state thank-you.
I believe they're refering to corporate welfare and farm aid.

I'm still annoyed at the states being referred as 'red' and 'blue'. Does that count for something?

besides for hate and the line along which the civil war was fought?

Err...you mean benefactee? Benefactors are the ones issuing aid...

Beneficiary.

I believe they're refering to corporate welfare and farm aid.
Doubtful since far fewer corporations have a HQ in Kentucky than in NY. As I recall the most producing farmland in the US is in CA.

No one here has really specified just what form this 'handout' takes. E#vidence that it is probably a flawed statistic.

Doubtful since far fewer corporations have a HQ in Kentucky than in NY. As I recall the most producing farmland in the US is in CA.

No one here has really specified just what form this 'handout' takes. E#vidence that it is probably a flawed statistic.
Lunatic, I agree that "red state" and "blue state" are deceptive terms. Nonetheless, I'm going to make extensive use of them just about now.

It's not a "handout." It's simply where federal taxes get collected, and then spent. The most basic explanations would be that the red states are actually largely poorer than the blue states (check average personal income by state - the correlation is actually fairly strong there) more rural (in certain specific but distinct cases) and with higher divorce rates (this may or may not actually play into the matter.)

Now... there are a number of reasons why rural areas get more money. Farming and ranching subsidies (which do largely go to corporations, but the checks are sent to the owner - i.e., the same address that the taxes are paid from - last I heard, and would therefore be counted in the same states as the farms are owned in) far outstrip federal spending on urban development. Largely black urban areas generally get shafted in terms of federal funding, and with cuts to traditional welfare-type programs, the amount of federal money flowing to cities has been reduced further.

The higher divorce rates would also suggest a higher rate of social services federal money flowing into red states.

Factor in the fact that the average resident of blue states earns more to start with a progressive income tax and further that the Republicans have had more influence in Congress for most of the last decade (slipping, as all congressmen do, goodies for their states and districts into bills) and it all makes perfect sense.

DC, of course, being the capital itself, gets spent on in numerous ways that have nothing to do with social services or industrial subsidies.

It is, therefore, ironic that the Republicans are the ones adopting the rhetoric of bashing those that benefit from Federal spending. It's also ironic because Republicans have, if anything, outspent the Democrats by a wide margin.