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But that's what it's all about!

Ever wonder why Democrats in the US rarely talk about class (other than middle class) in the same sense that you might hear someone from the real Left might discuss it?

Ever wonder why Democrats, more than Republicans, are more likely to want government-dictated "racial" categorization in order to "collect statistics" and engage in "affirmative action".

Rather than deal with the real problem - which is class and class struggle, Democrats are chasing the phantom of race, ethnic groups, and minorities.

Would they have been more effective not going down this road for the past 40 years?

FDR was dealing with class, even though he may not have said it. And he was arguably the most effective Democratic president in history. And the most popular. So WTF with the Democrats today?

But that's what it's all about!

Ever wonder why Democrats in the US rarely talk about class (other than middle class) in the same sense that you might hear someone from the real Left might discuss it?

Ever wonder why Democrats, more than Republicans, are more likely to want government-dictated "racial" categorization in order to "collect statistics" and engage in "affirmative action".

Rather than deal with the real problem - which is class and class struggle, Democrats are chasing the phantom of race, ethnic groups, and minorities.

Would they have been more effective not going down this road for the past 40 years?

FDR was dealing with class, even though he may not have said it. And he was arguably the most effective Democratic president in history. And the most popular. So WTF with the Democrats today?
and pray tell what have the REPUBLICANS done to try and help? diddly? and oh wait, wasnt a MAIN reason the republicans were blasting the democrats this election BECAUSE they brought up class struggles so much? i can still here the echos of "class warfare" being spewed by the republican choirs to discredit the democrats

get a clue and go eat a goat

and pray tell what have the REPUBLICANS done to try and help? diddly? and oh wait, wasnt a MAIN reason the republicans were blasting the democrats this election BECAUSE they brought up class struggles so much? i can still here the echos of "class warfare" being spewed by the republican choirs to discredit the democrats

get a clue and go eat a goat

Eaten one already. I'm full. If the Democrats had stayed the course with "class", is what I'm asking. Not what the Republicans would have done.

Would class have been a more effective strategy? Or do Democrats change their core views in response to Republican BS?

Eaten one already. I'm full. If the Democrats had stayed the course with "class", is what I'm asking. Not what the Republicans would have done.

Would class have been a more effective strategy? Or do Democrats change their core views in response to Republican BS?
the whole damned election was about the squeeze on teh middle class and the difference between the lower classes and the upper class, that was a main attack point for the rpeublicans, or were you busy collecting bullshit to talk about all during the election that you missed it

go eat a goat
I sincerely recommend this. Much tastier than beef. Guinea pig's quite nice too.

the whole damned election was about the squeeze on teh middle class and the difference between the lower classes and the upper class, that was a main attack point for the rpeublicans, or were you busy collecting bullshit to talk about all during the election that you missed it

The "election" is one thing. The general drift of the Democrats over the past 40 years is another.

FDR made a successful four terms off of helping the working class. And then the Democrats STOPPED in the 1960s, and got off on the racism train.

Why?

The "election" is one thing. The general drift of the Democrats over the past 40 years is another.

FDR made a successful four terms off of helping the working class. And then the Democrats STOPPED in the 1960s, and got off on the racism train.

Why?
that was the civil rights movement perhaps?

But that's what it's all about!

Ever wonder why Democrats in the US rarely talk about class (other than middle class) in the same sense that you might hear someone from the real Left might discuss it?

Ever wonder why Democrats, more than Republicans, are more likely to want government-dictated "racial" categorization in order to "collect statistics" and engage in "affirmative action".

Rather than deal with the real problem - which is class and class struggle, Democrats are chasing the phantom of race, ethnic groups, and minorities.

Would they have been more effective not going down this road for the past 40 years?

FDR was dealing with class, even though he may not have said it. And he was arguably the most effective Democratic president in history. And the most popular. So WTF with the Democrats today?

Imperialist dogma designed to prevent the empowerment of the masses! Now you see the violence inherent in the system! Help, help I'm being repressed.

“Come see the violence inerrant in the system”
“help help I’m bein repressed”

Indeed it was. But, in the process of embracing that, (and as a by-product, permanently enshrining racial classification as an American governmental ideal), they stopped talking about it, except in passing.

Isn't welfare really a class problem? Is a permanent underclass a real problem (whether or not it is composed of minorities)?

I think that the problem with trying to bring it up in the last election is that it has not been consistently at the core of the party.

I remember attending a meeting of some local Democrats in Maryland, and the topic of "class", as I was informed, "was forbidden".

Why?

Indeed it was. But, in the process of embracing that, (and as a by-product, permanently enshrining racial classification as an American governmental ideal), they stopped talking about it, except in passing.

Isn't welfare really a class problem? Is a permanent underclass a real problem (whether or not it is composed of minorities)?

I think that the problem with trying to bring it up in the last election is that it has not been consistently at the core of the party.

I remember attending a meeting of some local Democrats in Maryland, and the topic of "class", as I was informed, "was forbidden".

Why?
republicans are using it as a hotword to attack the democrats about stupid shit, and since people only understand soundbites, "class warfare" makes them vote more republican than "we are for the lower classes and this is why -"

“Come see the violence inerrant in the system”
“help help I’m bein repressed”

"Bloody peasant!"
"Ahh you see! You heard that didn't you? There's the repression right there! You saw him repressing me. You saw it didn't you?"

Rather than deal with the real problem - which is class and class struggle, Democrats are chasing the phantom of race, ethnic groups, and minorities.
And what was Bush doing when he presented his plan to allow all immigration to the US as long as they had a job waiting for them?

And what was Bush doing when he presented his plan to allow all immigration to the US as long as they had a job waiting for them?

I think you're mistaking me for Bush. I'm not even from Texas.

And what was Bush doing when he presented his plan to allow all immigration to the US as long as they had a job waiting for them?
or when he started hunting down extremely conservative minorities to stick in cabinet positions

I think you're mistaking me for Bush. I'm not even from Texas.
No. But don't you think he was trying to gain the votes of the minorities? Like you claim the Democrats are doing.

No. But don't you think he was trying to gain the votes of the minorities? Like you claim the Democrats are doing.

I'm trying to talk about one thing at a time. I'm not talking about Republicans.

I'm trying to understand why the Democratic party abandoned a world view that seemed to have garnered them their greatest success.

Republicans, as you or others have noted, have co-opted the whole minority issue to a limited degree, by (facetiously or otherwise) nominating minorities.

So, would it have been better long ago (not losing sight of the civil rights issues, of course), to have kept class issues at the center of the Democratic thinking?

I'm trying to talk about one thing at a time. I'm not talking about Republicans.

I'm trying to understand why the Democratic party abandoned a world view that seemed to have garnered them their greatest success.

Republicans, as you or others have noted, have co-opted the whole minority issue to a limited degree, by (facetiously or otherwise) nominating minorities.

So, would it have been better long ago (not losing sight of the civil rights issues, of course), to have kept class issues at the center of the Democratic thinking?

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