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I rather liked the idea of Satan Santa...

There are real evil forces and we in our work come across people who are damaged seriously through their involvement with occult forces. Yes, because that has so much to do with a tongue-in-cheek Christmas display.

On its website the dungeon says the festive attraction includes elves impaled on spikes and robins roasting over an open fire with Santa being put in a witch's cauldron and boiled.


COOOOOOL! :D

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/north_yorkshire/4074685.stm

I rather liked the idea of Satan Santa...well, think about it... he enslaves an entire race of endangered people, forces them into cheep labor all year round. He invades people's privacy (knows when you are sleeping/awake) stalks them (knows if you've been bad or good) and keeps records (naughty/Nice list), and on the night of giving, he commits a record number of B&E (Breaking and Entering) and collects bribes (milk and cookies)

HE'S EBIL i tell so... so evil, it's even misspelled.

http://www.yorkshirenet.co.uk/frames/37166115.htm

http://www.yorkshirenet.co.uk/yorkdungeon/

I'd go there for sure. Looks like it's a franchise or chain of some sort. Can't wait till we get one somewhere near me :D


EDIT: Just thought I'd share my way of keeping kids in bed on christmas eve with you. I ask them if they know why father chrismas' elves have pointy shoes. When they say "No", I tell them that before father christmascomes down the chimney, the elves come down to check the place out. If there are any kids staying up to spy on things, the elves would poke their eyes out with their shoetips. :D I know, I'm twisted. I never really freak them out, just make them a bit uncertain. I've had no trouble on christmas eve (including nightmares in case you ask) since I thought of it. My 15 year old laughs about it now.

I think we should complain that christians stole a vast majority of their festivals from the pagans...

for a start, christians should stop putting up 'christmas' trees on the winter festival date :|

Seeing as how Jesus Christ was born during the middle of summer, I still can't believe that they think christmas is their holiday.

Seeing as how Jesus Christ was born during the middle of summer, I still can't believe that they think christmas is their holiday.

seeing as how its debatable as to whether he existed at all, i dont know how they can fix a specific date which just happens to coincide with older religious dates...

also, i thought the whole point of the new testament was that you should love people the whole time, not just make up for a year of being horrible with one day :|

Seeing as how Jesus Christ was born during the middle of summer, I still can't believe that they think christmas is their holiday.Christmas is in the middle of summer here :D

seeing as how its debatable as to whether he existed at all, i dont know how they can fix a specific date which just happens to coincide with older religious dates...

also, i thought the whole point of the new testament was that you should love people the whole time, not just make up for a year of being horrible with one day :|
I think you'll find that most people agree Jesus existed.

Seeing as how Jesus Christ was born during the middle of summer, I still can't believe that they think christmas is their holiday.


You were there then were you? You know, when it happened.

I think you'll find that most people agree Jesus existed.

sure, and many people would have agreed that whe world was flat a few years ago... does not make it true...

sure, and many people would have agreed that whe world was flat a few years ago... does not make it true...


Much like world war II.

I think you'll find that most people agree Jesus existed.Most people who celebrate christmas (esp. its religious side, obviously) maybe... Most people? I doubt it...

Much like world war II.

im sorry, i dont think i see the connection?

As well as meeting the alternative Santa, visitors to the grotto are handed "gifts" such as severed fingers, and can write on a scroll to sign their souls away
IS this legally binding?

Most people who celebrate christmas (esp. its religious side, obviously) maybe... Most people? I doubt it...
No, most people. There is a lot of documentary evidence that he existed, and Islam recognises him as a prophet. I'm not sure whether Judaism does as well, but they accept he existed. It's just that most people don't believe he was the Messiah.

IS this legally binding?

i think some people would argue that the soul is not a tangible thing, thus cannot be legal sold. though others would argue that you can sell whatever you want, thus are leagally obliged to hand over your soul if you sigh a contract stating you sell your soul.

IS this legally binding?


Probably not, unless they promise something in return. Otherwise there is no exchange of valuable consideration.

No, most people. There is a lot of documentary evidence that he existed, and Islam recognises him as a prophet. I'm not sure whether Judaism does as well, but they accept he existed. It's just that most people don't believe he was the Messiah.

'documentry evidence', such as evidence found and held by religious types.

untill there is specific, world recognised evidence of his existance, i do not think that many people will take it as given that he existed.

'documentry evidence', such as evidence found and held by religious types.

untill there is specific, world recognised evidence of his existance, i do not think that many people will take it as given that he existed.
Well, there is an awful lot of it. And why would Islam and Judaism corroborate such evidence?

You're right that we couldn't ever be certain - he might even be a mish-mash of several different characters around at that time - but I very much doubt that someone managed to make him up completely and no one said, "Hang on, I don't remember anyone saying anything about that before."

It's like the legend of King Arthur - it's got to be based on something.

No, most people. There is a lot of documentary evidence that he existed, and Islam recognises him as a prophet. I'm not sure whether Judaism does as well, but they accept he existed. It's just that most people don't believe he was the Messiah.So people in the middle of the Kalahari Desert who have never heard the name believe he existed? How about the atheists all around the world? How about the devotees of Shintoism?

You have only listed two groups/faiths there and they are both from the same basic area and mythos.

I still maintain that you are over-estimating.

So people in the middle of the Kalahari Desert who have never heard the name believe he existed? How about the atheists all around the world? How about the devotees of Shintoism?

You have only listed two groups/faiths there and they are both from the same basic area and mythos.

I still maintain that you are over-estimating.
Atheist does not equate to, "Jesus did not exist." It equates to "There is no God."

And of course the people who would have heard of him came to the same part of the world. Using "people thousands of miles away had never heard of him" as an argument is just ridiculous.

Okay, "Most people who have heard of him accept that it is extremely probable that he existed." There. Better?

So people in the middle of the Kalahari Desert who have never heard the name believe he existed? How about the atheists all around the world? How about the devotees of Shintoism?

You have only listed two groups/faiths there and they are both from the same basic area and mythos.

I still maintain that you are over-estimating.

The theme would still exist in these religions, (im not a expet here Shockingly)
but its the theme that is the common thread (no pun intended)

I'm an atheist, I believe Jesus existed but I do not believe he is God

Well, there is an awful lot of it. And why would Islam and Judaism corroborate such evidence?

You're right that we couldn't ever be certain - he might even be a mish-mash of several different characters around at that time - but I very much doubt that someone managed to make him up completely and no one said, "Hang on, I don't remember anyone saying anything about that before."

It's like the legend of King Arthur - it's got to be based on something.

the religions you mention have him down because he is a prophet from their god, neither of them beleive he is the 'son of god'. islam uses him because they can say 'god used this person to get people to be nice to each other volentarily, but that has not worked, so mohammed was told to set people straight'.

im not a big jew expert, but i beleive they use him as an example of the opposite ;?

as for king arthur, i beleive that he was a composite, or an exageration of many leaders, or made up totaly. in the same way i beleive jesus is.

the religions you mention have him down because he is a prophet from their god, neither of them beleive he is the 'son of god'. islam uses him because they can say 'god used this person to get people to be nice to each other volentarily, but that has not worked, so mohammed was told to set people straight'.

im not a big jew expert, but i beleive they use him as an example of the opposite ;?

as for king arthur, i beleive that he was a composite, or an exageration of many leaders, or made up totaly. in the same way i beleive jesus is.
So basically we agree then? He probably did exist, even if bits of him came from different real people.

My initial point was just a petty stab at a statement that seemed to suggest that if you're not a Christian, then you believe that Jesus didn't exist.

So basically we agree then? He probably did exist, even if bits of him came from different real people.

My initial point was just a petty stab at a statement that seemed to suggest that if you're not a Christian, then you believe that Jesus didn't exist.

i personally dont give a mmonkies if he existed or not, in my view it should not matter if you are religious, you can still be a good person without it, and if there is a heaven, i honestly think that more non beleivers will be in it than religious people.

as it stands, i think jesus is a composite of several people, with some made up bits thrown in for good measure...

The theme would still exist in these religions, (im not a expet here Shockingly)
but its the theme that is the common thread (no pun intended)In which religions? You're not seriously suggesting that the figure Jesus Christ appears in all religions, are you? Themes nothing. I was responding to a specific post, that's all.

I think we're going to have to agree to disagree here, guys. This pointless and unending/neverending argument is hijacking the thread. :)

And now - *fanfare* Back to the Dungeon!!! :D

In which religions? You're not seriously suggesting that the figure Jesus Christ appears in all religions, are you? Themes nothing. I was responding to a specific post, that's all.

I think we're going to have to agree to disagree here, guys. This pointless and unending/neverending argument is hijacking the thread. :)

And now - *fanfare* Back to the Dungeon!!! :D

jesus is not a theme,
but the idea of a "saviour", "prophet" etc etc is a theme that is common in many religions
cant be more plain than that

In which religions? You're not seriously suggesting that the figure Jesus Christ appears in all religions, are you? Themes nothing. I was responding to a specific post, that's all.

I think we're going to have to agree to disagree here, guys. This pointless and unending/neverending argument is hijacking the thread. :)

And now - *fanfare* Back to the Dungeon!!! :D
Sorry, one more point - he's not saying thet Jesus appears in other religions, just that surprisingly similar Messiah-type characters pop up again and again in completely unrelated mythologies. As do creation stories, etc, etc.

But you're right, it was a completely different point to what you and I were discussing.

IS this legally binding?

surely it's covered by intellectual property rights

In which religions? You're not seriously suggesting that the figure Jesus Christ appears in all religions, are you?

Well I don't appear in any religion, but I still exist. Just because Jesus the man is not mentioned in all religions doesn't mean he didn't live. There is documentary and archeological evidence supporting his existence. But even though he existed doesnt mean he is God. I personally believe Jesus was just another man out of many, he was an influential teacher to be sure, but I don't think he is God.