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EVERYONE who has ever had any opinion of France read this, this may change your opinion or solidify it.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=535&e=2&u=/ap/20041207/ap_on_re_eu/france_missing_bomb (http://http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=535&e=2&u=/ap/20041207/ap_on_re_eu/france_missing_bomb)

For the lazy of you here is the story short:

PARIS - Somewhere in the world, there's a navy blue suitcase with a small pack of explosives tucked in its side pocket. Four days after police at Charles de Gaulle Airport slipped some plastic explosives into a random passenger's bag as part of an exercise for sniffer dogs, it is still missing — and authorities are stumped and embarrassed.

Once Again, the French prove that they are morons.

Haha nice one, the best is trhe time the French being pussies pulled their troops out of NATO so as not to get involved in a war with the USSR and the Warsaw pact, BUT they said they would still want NATOs help if they were attacked.

EVERYONE who has ever had any opinion of France read this, this may change your opinion or solidify it.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=535&e=2&u=/ap/20041207/ap_on_re_eu/france_missing_bomb (http://http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=535&e=2&u=/ap/20041207/ap_on_re_eu/france_missing_bomb)

For the lazy of you here is the story short:



Once Again, the French prove that they are morons.

On the other hand, they weren't quite moronic enough to say "Enjoy your flight" to known suicide hijackers and move them on along either, far as I can recall.

:rolleyes:

On the other hand, they weren't quite moronic enough to say "Enjoy your flight" to known suicide hijackers and move them on along either, far as I can recall.

:rolleyes:

Oooh!

*sizzles*

On the other hand, they weren't quite moronic enough to say "Enjoy your flight" to known suicide hijackers and move them on along either, far as I can recall.

:rolleyes:

At least the US doesn't attempt to blow up their own planes....

At least the US doesn't attempt to blow up their own planes....

...just endanger their own citizens. In office towers.

...just endanger their own citizens. In office towers.

your saying that they new that the trade centers would have been attacked by these men and that they did it on purpose or if not displayed gross neglence? do you know this or are you just floating it?

...just endanger their own citizens. In office towers.

If you blow up your own plane, it could land in an office building...

EVERYONE who has ever had any opinion of France read this, this may change your opinion or solidify it.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=535&e=2&u=/ap/20041207/ap_on_re_eu/france_missing_bomb (http://http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=535&e=2&u=/ap/20041207/ap_on_re_eu/france_missing_bomb)

For the lazy of you here is the story short:



Once Again, the French prove that they are morons.
It's like that time they lost a whole bunch of explosives that they knew where there after they invaded the nation to secure things like that. I mean, man-that was embaracing for the Fr-oh, wait....

Sniffer dogs are useless anyway. At least the ones that came to our school to look for drugs were.

EVERYONE who has ever had any opinion of France read this, this may change your opinion or solidify it.

Wow, I'm glad you had me read that. Some French policemen screwed up, so I have no choice except to conclude that all French people are morons. Fortunately, U.S. authorities have never made any mistakes, certainly none with the potential to result in fatalities.

It's like that time they lost a whole bunch of explosives that they knew where there after they invaded the nation to secure things like that. I mean, man-that was embaracing for the Fr-oh, wait....

OUCH!

:D

your saying that they new that the trade centers would have been attacked by these men and that they did it on purpose or if not displayed gross neglence? do you know this or are you just floating it?

You really want to know? I felt it, deep in my gut, a sickening dread feeling that welled up inside me the morning the towers came down. It was just too politically expedient to be mere coincidence. After stealing the last election, Bush had polarized America. He needed some sort of extraordinary means to garner bilateral support. I won't say absolutely that he knew what was going to happen that morning (let's face it, Cheney is in charge, folks), but I think at least Dick knew that something was up, involving airplanes on American soil.

I'd like to think that Cheney assumed those planes were going to be hijacked in the time-honoured tradition of hijackings...that the terrorists would hold the passengers and crew to ransom, either on the runway or mid-flight. I'd like to think he hadn't heard of the possibility that they might be used as flying missiles. But I can't be sure, he very well might have.

So you'll say I'm cracked, where's my links, where's an article, etc, etc. I'll be totally honest with you: I got nothing. all I've got is this gut feeling, this deep-down inside sensation that still gnaws at me when I go to sleep at night, that the current administration has displayed a dizzying capacity for taking unilateral actions based on immediate political expediency, as well as a thoroughgoing opacity in policymaking. They are very shadowy for people who supposedly live under the full glare of the media spotlight. Shadowy indeed.

I await your long knives.

DT.

Wow, I'm glad you had me read that. Some French policemen screwed up, so I have no choice except to conclude that all French people are morons. Fortunately, U.S. authorities have never made any mistakes, certainly none with the potential to result in fatalities.

Good to here I at least reached one soul. I think it's important to show how the entire French civilization is moronic and how perfect the US authorities are.

At least the US doesn't attempt to blow up their own planes....
No, you're right there. They blow up their allies' planes by accident.

And lose an entire weapons dump of explosives in Iraq

No, you're right there. They blow up their allies' planes by accident.
We only do that to give the Iraqis a little bit of hope. Makes it more sporting to fight them. It's a legitimate strategy.

An American police department did that once...its not unique...

An American police department did that once...its not unique...
Strangeways, sorry, Manchester Prison, *cough*Strangeways*cough*, released a dangerous prisoner by mistake a couple of weeks ago.

At least the US doesn't attempt to blow up their own planes....

No the blow up allies with "friendly fire"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1901645.stm

what is with the french haters out there.
its almost as bad as the bush haters.
why because they didnt help you guys on your war?
my country didnt ether.
good on you france you might not be able to find some c4 in a bag but atleast it didnt cost any lives, just learn from your mistakes and all is good

what is with the french haters out there.
its almost as bad as the bush haters.
why because they didnt help you guys on your war?
my country didnt ether.
good on you france you might not be able to find some c4 in a bag but atleast it didnt cost any lives, just learn from your mistakes and all is good
Don't worry I have it. I just wonder what I should do with all that c4. Can I cook it?

why are people here so xenophobic?

have any of the americans slagging off france even been outside their state, let alone country?

have you ever visited france, and spoken with the french? I have, and they are nice people, and their police force, whilst not the best of the best, is a damn sight better than others.

people make mistakes, not matter what country they are from. i would like to point out that a large proportion of UK deaths in iraq were from american FF. So shall we see from this that all american soldiers are trigger happy blind people? no, we shall say that these things happen.

get a grip you guys...

Pfft, at least their leader has a tertiary education.

OMGWTFBBQ dem freenches deed sumfin 'tupid!!!!!1111!!12@@2!1!2!21!2!!@@1@1!2211!!!!! haw haw haw doos french mus be dumboes!@

You know, like you guys like voting for georgie porgy.. twice.. gives the rest of the world a postive indication of your nation's level of intelligence.

The French leaders openly hate you arseholes, like the rest of the world's leaders would if they were to convey an accurate representation of their population's thoughts, and you dont like it. Boo Hoo Fucking Hoo.
(George is a French name.)

Piss off.

PARIS - Somewhere in the world, there's a navy blue suitcase with a small pack of explosives tucked in its side pocket. Four days after police at Charles de Gaulle Airport slipped some plastic explosives into a random passenger's bag as part of an exercise for sniffer dogs, it is still missing — and authorities are stumped and embarrassed.

LMFAO HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! WTF?!?! AHHAHAHAHAHAHA MAN THIS IS SERIOUS EH!? F***ING FROGS ARE DUMB AS F***ING HELL!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.... oh man it hurts to smile, those f***ing morons will learn soon enough.
:sniper:

LMFAO HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! WTF?!?! AHHAHAHAHAHAHA MAN THIS IS SERIOUS EH!? F***ING FROGS ARE DUMB AS F***ING HELL!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.... oh man it hurts to smile, those f***ing morons will learn soon enough.
:sniper:

what are you? about 12? do you even know where france is?

at least pretend to have a brain before joining the conversation

You know, France is not the first nation to lose a package of explosives in a police exercise. It's happened before in the States.

Just something I read in one of Bill Bryson's.

On the other hand, they weren't quite moronic enough to say "Enjoy your flight" to known suicide hijackers and move them on along either, far as I can recall.

:rolleyes:

Exactly Gauthier, I STAND BY MY EUROPEAN BROTHERS AND STAND TALL AGAINST AMERIKKKAN IMPERIALISM!!

GOD BLESS EUROPE!

Exactly Gauthier, I STAND BY MY EUROPEAN BROTHERS AND STAND TALL AGAINST AMERIKKKAN IMPERIALISM!!

GOD BLESS EUROPE!
And yet I seem to remember you in another thread saying you almost expected a “GOD BLESS AMERICA” as if it were a derogatory thing (not my thing … specially being atheist but here you do it yourself while condemning that sort of thing when other people do it for their country)

Can someone say hypocritical?

Pfft, at least their leader has a tertiary education.

OMGWTFBBQ dem freenches deed sumfin 'tupid!!!!!1111!!12@@2!1!2!21!2!!@@1@1!2211!!!!! haw haw haw doos french mus be dumboes!@

You know, like you guys like voting for georgie porgy.. twice.. gives the rest of the world a postive indication of your nation's level of intelligence.

The French leaders openly hate you arseholes, like the rest of the world's leaders would if they were to convey an accurate representation of their population's thoughts, and you dont like it. Boo Hoo Fucking Hoo.
(George is a French name.)

Piss off.

Damn right Choo Choo.

We are European and We are Proud of it.

I stand by the French, our European Brothers.

Damn right Choo Choo.

We are European and We are Proud of it.

I stand by the French, our European Brothers.
Well, you stand by the cliff-edge, I don't know about anything else.

And yet I seem to remember you in another thread saying you almost expected a “GOD BLESS AMERICA” as if it were a derogatory thing (not my thing … specially being atheist but here you do it yourself while condemning that sort of thing when other people do it for their country)

Can someone say hypocritical?

Europe is a land of freedom and disgust for the barbarity of free marketeering. America is a land where people honestly believe their free, while CBS, FOX, ABC and all the other joke companies spout of propaganda piece after propaganda piece.

Hmm. Let's see. Out of hundreds of thousands of tons (closer to a million) of explosives, a few hundred tons go missing. Hmm. And some of them were actually taken by another American unit. Hmm. Ok. And, when we took Fallujah this time, one American bomb landed on an underground bunker system, and the secondary explosions (that is, the jihadi's collection of their own explosives) went on for 45 minutes. Hmm.

And, hmm, we have some French security types who want to test their bomb sniffing dogs. So they pick some poor traveller's bags at random and put real explosives in them. But they forget which bags, and the bags are never detected by the dogs, and the French can't remember which flight, and the explosives are, by the French admission, likely to only be found when someone gets home and opens the bags.

Hmm. Is stupidity, or losing things, or playing with explosives solely an American habit? We don't put explosives on airliners here, not even for a test. So maybe we would have lost more explosives if the French had helped us invade Iraq.

Europe is a land of freedom and disgust for the barbarity of free marketeering. America is a land where people honestly believe their free, while CBS, FOX, ABC and all the other joke companies spout of propaganda piece after propaganda piece.
Europe is a free market.

Europe is a land of freedom and disgust for the barbarity of free marketeering. America is a land where people honestly believe their free, while CBS, FOX, ABC and all the other joke companies spout of propaganda piece after propaganda piece.
Again not saying we don’t have our faults

That wasn’t the argument

I was pointing out the idiocy of your “GOD BLESS EUROPE” while condemning the “GOD BLESS AMERICA” statement you assumed I might make.

God Americans and there stupid hypotheticals, always worth a laugh!

"IF KERRY WOULD HAV GOT IN DEN WE WOULD BE FREE, AS FREE AS THE 'MERICAN EAGLE. YEE HAWWWWW, I'M A PATRIOT!!!!!"

That figures. Stupid frenchies. I would hope they would be a little more intelligent than that but they're the French so ..... Yeah, not going to happen.

Europe is a free market.

With significantly more restrictions of Corporations in terms of Environmental, Workers Rights, Consumer Standards, Financial Practice Regulations than America, as well as maintaining a much stronger public sector.

With significantly more restrictions of Corporations in terms of Environmental, Workers Rights, Consumer Standards, Financial Practice Regulations than America, as well as maintaining a much stronger public sector.
Yet, founded on the principles of a free market.

That figures. Stupid frenchies. I would hope they would be a little more intelligent than that but they're the French so ..... Yeah, not going to happen.
Too bad you're getting upstaged by a bigger idiot than yourself.

That figures. Stupid frenchies. I would hope they would be a little more intelligent than that but they're the French so ..... Yeah, not going to happen.

Same Meriadoc from MEO Forums right?

Want me to bring up a few of your enlightening posts from there?

Or would you just prefer National IQ stats for America and France so we can make a comparison?

God Americans and there stupid hypotheticals, always worth a laugh!

"IF KERRY WOULD HAV GOT IN DEN WE WOULD BE FREE, AS FREE AS THE 'MERICAN EAGLE. YEE HAWWWWW, I'M A PATRIOT!!!!!"


Better an eagle than a chicken, Frenchman.

Yet, founded on the principles of a free market.
Nope, its a mixed economy, partly planned, partly free market. America is far more to the right than Europe is. And AmeriKKKa will feel European wrath one day. God I hope to God that 9.11 happens again!

Better an eagle than a chicken, Frenchman.
Don’t give into his/her flame baiting

If he is really as dumb as he seems in his posts I doubt he could find the floor much less his way to an internet forum.

Better an eagle than a chicken, Frenchman.

Better some lost explosives rather than a couple of towers falling down with the capitalist scum still inside, heheehehehe.

Nope, its a mixed economy, partly planned, partly free market. America is far more to the right than Europe is. And AmeriKKKa will feel European wrath one day. God I hope to God that 9.11 happens again!
Yes, so we clearly don't have a hatred for free marketeering then, do we? I don't believe in God, so I can't join you there.

On the other hand, they weren't quite moronic enough to say "Enjoy your flight" to known suicide hijackers and move them on along either, far as I can recall.

:rolleyes:


wOOt

Don’t give into his/her flame baiting

If he is really as dumb as he seems in his posts I doubt he could find the floor much less his way to an internet forum.
But it's fun!

Don’t give into his/her flame baiting

If he is really as dumb as he seems in his posts I doubt he could find the floor much less his way to an internet forum.

I know what I'm doing.

I know what I'm doing.
Ok have fun ;)

Yes, so we clearly don't have a hatred for free marketeering then, do we? I don't believe in God, so I can't join you there.
Ooooooh! A pure Capitalist, pure fundamentally Atheist scumbag!

Always good for a laugh!

Too bad you're getting upstaged by a bigger idiot than yourself.
Same Meriadoc from MEO Forums right?

Want me to bring up a few of your enlightening posts from there?

Or would you just prefer National IQ stats for America and France so we can make a comparison?
Is it my fault that they are idiots who can't find explosives? I don't think so. They should have been more responsible and the lack thereof has put somebody in danger.

Is it my fault that they are idiots who can't find explosives? I don't think so. They should have been more responsible and the lack thereof has put somebody in danger.

I asked you a question, do you want me to find quotes from the MEO forums and show everyone just what a complete moronic little patriot brownshirt you are or do you want me to quote IQ figures?

Better some lost explosives rather than a couple of towers falling down with the capitalist scum still inside, heheehehehe.

Your racism astounds me.

This is no less than I would expect from a racist christian european. You should be ashamed of yourself and learn to embrace the liberal multi-cultural values of the US. But what else could I expect from a frenchman like you.

Ooooooh! A pure Capitalist, pure fundamentally Atheist scumbag!

Always good for a laugh!
Yes, I'm a professional comedian.

Your racism astounds me.

This is no less than I would expect from a racist christian european. You should be ashamed of yourself and learn to embrace the liberal multi-cultural values of the US. But what else could I expect from a frenchman like you.

...

Your racism astounds me!

Three words: Pot - Kettle - Black

...

Your racism astounds me!

Three words: Pot - Kettle - Black

The french aren't a race.

Your racism astounds me.

This is no less than I would expect from a racist christian european. You should be ashamed of yourself and learn to embrace the liberal multi-cultural values of the US. But what else could I expect from a frenchman like you.
Hahahaha, now I'm French?

Sure I'll embrace the 'liberal' values of the only industrialised nation on earth without Public Health. The only nation on Earth with such bad segregation until the 60's. The only nation on earth with the KKK and so on.

You AmeriKKKans are not 'Liberal and Multicultural' - You all have redknecks and watch WWF.

Your racism astounds me.

This is no less than I would expect from a racist christian european. You should be ashamed of yourself and learn to embrace the liberal multi-cultural values of the US. But what else could I expect from a frenchman like you.


tbh ive always found the US to be far more racist than europe :|

ive visited several parts of the USA, and most of europe, and have to say that by far an away the least worldly view of life has been found in the USA.

in europe you meet people of differnt nationalities all the time. you see people who have immigrated from all over the world, and you see 3rd and 4th generation immigrant families all the time. there is no sense of 'we art better than thou' like i have sensed in the US.

The french aren't a race.
And Americans are? Idiot.

The french aren't a race.

Shut up, you know exactly what I was talking about you bigot.

Yes, enlightened Europe.

In Germany, I can run a restaurant or bar, and throw out anyone I want to, on the basis of race. I don't have to serve Turks, blacks, Americans, or anyone I feel is un-German. It's legal and I've seen it done too many times to count.

<sarcasm> What an enlightened place! </sarcasm>

...

Your racism astounds me!

Three words: Pot - Kettle - Black
Three words: Lemon - Cheesecake - Plasticine

Hahahaha, now I'm French?

Sure I'll embrace the 'liberal' values of the only industrialised nation on earth without Public Health. The only nation on Earth with such bad segregation until the 60's. The only nation on earth with the KKK and so on.

You AmeriKKKans are not 'Liberal and Multicultural' - You all have redknecks and watch WWF.

You don't speak english like an englishman. Therefore, given your hatred of the US you must be French.

I expect latter on tonight you'll get drunk on cheap wine and look for young muslim girls to harass. That's the pastime over there, isn't it?

Yes, enlightened Europe.

In Germany, I can run a restaurant or bar, and throw out anyone I want to, on the basis of race. I don't have to serve Turks, blacks, Americans, or anyone I feel is un-German. It's legal and I've seen it done too many times to count.

<sarcasm> What an enlightened place! </sarcasm>

Oh chill.. why would anyone want it otherwise?
Do you REALLY want a Wahhabi in your bar?

Yes, enlightened Europe.

In Germany, I can run a restaurant or bar, and throw out anyone I want to, on the basis of race. I don't have to serve Turks, blacks, Americans, or anyone I feel is un-German. It's legal and I've seen it done too many times to count.

<sarcasm> What an enlightened place! </sarcasm>
What a bunch of crap. :rolleyes:

The french aren't a race.
Technically they can be …

race1 P Pronunciation Key (r s)
n.
1. A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics.
2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race.
3. A genealogical line; a lineage.
4. Humans considered as a group.

Shut up, you know exactly what I was talking about you bigot.

No I don't.

Three words: Lemon - Cheesecake - Plasticine
Damn now I want cheesecake! (or maybe just a lemon … not sure which)

Technically they can be …

race1 P Pronunciation Key (r s)
n.
1. A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics.
2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race.
3. A genealogical line; a lineage.
4. Humans considered as a group.

Hmm, I stand corrected.

Dammit.

You don't speak english like an englishman. Therefore, given your hatred of the US you must be French.

I expect latter on tonight you'll get drunk on cheap wine and look for young muslim girls to harass. That's the pastime over there, isn't it?Actually she is a muslim girl lol.

Yes, enlightened Europe.

In Germany, I can run a restaurant or bar, and throw out anyone I want to, on the basis of race. I don't have to serve Turks, blacks, Americans, or anyone I feel is un-German. It's legal and I've seen it done too many times to count.

<sarcasm> What an enlightened place! </sarcasm>

Germans stand tall against AmeriKKKan Imperialism!

Germans stand tall against AmeriKKKan Imperialism!
Not tall enough.

Germans stand tall against AmeriKKKan Imperialism!
It's true. They are quite tall. But not as tall as the Dutch.

And Americans are? Idiot.

Initially I would have said no. But it has been brought to my attention that they may in fact be. Thanks for being on point though.

Hmm, I stand corrected.

Dammit.
Hey I argue fairly :) both sides if I see merit lol I believe it was depublicants that busted my chops on this a few months ago lol

Initially I would have said no. But it has been brought to my attention that they may in fact be. Thanks for being on point though.
Americans as a race? The Indians perhaps. But not the rest.

It's true. They are quite tall. But not as tall as the Dutch.
Ohhh the Dutch are DREAMY

Better some lost explosives rather than a couple of towers falling down with the capitalist scum still inside, heheehehehe.

Take a chill-pill, mate. You're probably getting pretty close to deletion now, not to mention how much you're annoying everyone else.

The AmeriKKKans murdered the indigenous Indian populace, it was pure genocide.


During the Thanksgiving holiday a few weeks ago, I took a walk with some friends and family in a national park. We came across a gravestone, which had on it the following inscription: "Here lies an Indian woman, a Wampanoag, whose family and tribe gave of themselves and their land that this great nation might be born and grow."

Of course, it is not quite accurate to say that the indigenous population gave of themselves and their land for that noble purpose. Rather, they were slaughtered, decimated, and dispersed in the course of one of the greatest exercises in genocide in human history... which we celebrate each October when we honour Columbus — a notable mass murderer himself — on Columbus Day.

Hundreds of American citizens, well-meaning and decent people, troop by that gravestone regularly and read it, apparently without reaction; except, perhaps, a feeling of satisfaction that at last we are giving some due recognition to the sacrifices of the native peoples.... They might react differently if they were to visit Auschwitz or Dachau and find a gravestone reading: "Here lies a woman, a Jew, whose family and people gave of themselves and their possessions that this great nation might grow and prosper."

Americans as a race? The Indians perhaps. But not the rest.



Technically they can be …

race1 P Pronunciation Key (r s)
n.
1. A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics.
2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race.
3. A genealogical line; a lineage.
4. Humans considered as a group.

I would imagine they fall under 2.

I would imagine they fall under 2.
Way to use my quote :D lol knew it would have more use :D

Come on Francophiles, defend the placement of explosives (and their subsequent loss) by French security authorities.

Defend it! You say the Americans are so bad for losing explosives, let me know how much wiser and careful the French are.

I'm still waiting.

Way to use my quote :D lol knew it would have more use :D

Hey, when you're right, you're right.

Defend it! You say the Americans are so bad for losing explosives.
No. Just bad in general.

I would imagine they fall under 2.


I don't think so - the American history spans little over 200 years. If a load of Americans moved to Nigeria and lived there for a couple of centuries, would they be a race?

Americans are a group of people. They are a genetic mix of people from all over the world. Each family will belong to a race, be it German or Swedish or Irish, but they are not American as such, only in that they live in America.

The real Americans are the indigenous Americans, you know, the ones the ancestors of modern day Americans massacred?

Come on Francophiles, defend the placement of explosives (and their subsequent loss) by French security authorities.

Defend it! You say the Americans are so bad for losing explosives, let me know how much wiser and careful the French are.

I'm still waiting.
Sorry, I was having too much fun mocking USE. What was it you want me to do again?

Come on Francophiles, defend the placement of explosives (and their subsequent loss) by French security authorities.

Defend it! You say the Americans are so bad for losing explosives, let me know how much wiser and careful the French are.

I'm still waiting.


No. of American Capitalists dead: 3000


No. of French Socialists dead: 0


No. of AmeriKKKan soldiers dead: 1300


No. of French Soldiers dead: 13

I knew morgenthau was right.

No. of American Capitalists dead: 3000


No. of French Socialists dead: 0


No. of AmeriKKKan soldiers dead: 1300


No. of French Soldiers dead: 13
I never knew French socialists were immortal. Just how old are you, USE?

I never knew French socialists were immortal. Just how old are you, USE?

I never knew Atheists were loners....

Oh wait I did.

Dobbs

Bush didn't steal the 2000 election; Gore tried to steal it from Bush by RE-WRITING FLORIDA STATE LAW, which states that returns MUST BE TURNED IN BY A CERTAIN DATE, or they don't count.

what part of that can't you libs understand?

It took an activist Florida State Supreme Court to ignore existing FLORIDA LAW and allow the count to proceed well past its legislated deadline.

Thankfully, the US Supreme Court saw the error and activism in this and put a stop to it.

LOL, do you now get it?

Hardly a defense. The statement was made that the US made a big mistake in "losing" explosives in Iraq.

Now, we find the French "intentionally" placing explosives on civilian airliners.

Not a joking matter, I'm afraid. Would you think it funny if the explosives then blew up a French airliner?

Maybe you would.

You don't speak english like an englishman. Therefore, given your hatred of the US you must be French.

I expect latter on tonight you'll get drunk on cheap wine and look for young muslim girls to harass. That's the pastime over there, isn't it?

Oh grow up.

Is Dafydd a Welshman?

I don't think so - the American history spans little over 200 years. If a load of Americans moved to Nigeria and lived there for a couple of centuries, would they be a race?

Americans are a group of people. They are a genetic mix of people from all over the world. Each family will belong to a race, be it German or Swedish or Irish, but they are not American as such, only in that they live in America.

The real Americans are the indigenous Americans, you know, the ones the ancestors of modern day Americans massacred?
Then how about number 4

I knew morgenthau was right.
So was Timothy Mc Veigh. A real patriot.

I don't think so - the American history spans little over 200 years. If a load of Americans moved to Nigeria and lived there for a couple of centuries, would they be a race?

Americans are a group of people. They are a genetic mix of people from all over the world. Each family will belong to a race, be it German or Swedish or Irish, but they are not American as such, only in that they live in America.

The real Americans are the indigenous Americans, you know, the ones the ancestors of modern day Americans massacred?


2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race.

I think it falls under the bolded part.

So was Timothy Mc Veigh. A real patriot.

Yes, but Mc Veigh couldn't see sixty years into the future like Morgenthau could.

Yes, but Mc Veigh couldn't see sixty years into the future like Morgenthau could.
But he had the right idea. Like Osama did.

Oh grow up.

I know, I'll start posing as an englishman and laugh at people dying. Will that make you happy.

Then how about number 4

Yeh exactly. The Americans are a group of people, but I still wouldn't call that a race, no matter what the dictionary says. I'm not being insulting here, I don't see not being a race as a problem. Races are like the Ayrian race, the Slavic race etc. Americans are mixes of races.

Oh and I see it's My Gun Not Yours again, here to fight amoral battles about how superb America is even thought the rest of the world hates it, and it does things like fly American flags on schools and whatnot.

I am partially Welsh. Why?

But he had the right idea. Like Osama did.

Well at least you agree with me about Morgenthau. As to the rest of it, reasonable people can differ.

I know, I'll start posing as an englishman and laugh at people dying. Will that make you happy.

Erm, what is your point? Is it that just because some moron writes appauling insulting shit on some forum you need to automatically stoop to his level and become racist yourself? Please.

Well at least you agree with me about Morgenthau. As to the rest of it, reasonable people can differ.
I don't agree with you on Morgenthau. I never said I did.

Yeh exactly. The Americans are a group of people, but I still wouldn't call that a race, no matter what the dictionary says. I'm not being insulting here, I don't see not being a race as a problem. Races are like the Ayrian race, the Slavic race etc. Americans are mixes of races.

Oh and I see it's My Gun Not Yours again, here to fight amoral battles about how superb America is even thought the rest of the world hates it, and it does things like fly American flags on schools and whatnot.

I am partially Welsh. Why?

Well that's what I thought, which was why I didn't think the french were a race. What with them coming from all over.

Well that's what I thought, which was why I didn't think the french were a race. What with them coming from all over.
From all over France you mean?

I never knew Atheists were loners....

Oh wait I did.
How would you know they were atheists, if they never interacted with you?

Yeh exactly. The Americans are a group of people, but I still wouldn't call that a race, no matter what the dictionary says. I'm not being insulting here, I don't see not being a race as a problem. Races are like the Ayrian race, the Slavic race etc. Americans are mixes of races.

Oh and I see it's My Gun Not Yours again, here to fight amoral battles about how superb America is even thought the rest of the world hates it, and it does things like fly American flags on schools and whatnot.

I am partially Welsh. Why?

No, I'm not here to parade with America. I'm here to let you know that the rest of the world is FOS as well. Anyone who believes differently is fooling themselves.

And there is no morality in war. Anyone who believes there might be is fooling themselves. You can hate America all you like, and so can anyone else. Hating is easy. So do the easy thing.

I learned a fun sport from some Welshmen who were visiting Germany. Pick some people in a bar, buy them drinks (and drink with them) until they're really drunk, then take them out back and beat the crap out of them. For fun.

Can't categorize all Welshmen that way, but it showed me that amoral fun knows no national boundaries.

From all over France you mean?

Either accept number 2. in the definition or not. If you don't accept number 2, then the french are not a race because the nation is composed of many different groups.

I learned a fun sport from some Welshmen who were visiting Germany. Pick some people in a bar, buy them drinks (and drink with them) until they're really drunk, then take them out back and beat the crap out of them. For fun.

Can't categorize all Welshmen that way, but it showed me that amoral fun knows no national boundaries.
Were they singing at the time? If they weren't singing then they probably weren't real Welshmen.

Either accept number 2. in the definition or not. If you don't accept number 2, then the french are not a race because the nation is composed of many different groups.
1. A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics.
2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race.
3. A genealogical line; a lineage.
Actually all 3 are in some form or the other applicabel to the French.

Actually all 3 are in some form or the other applicabel to the French.
Yes, but then they would be many different races, not just one.

Yes, but then they would be many different races, not just one.
The French are more of a race then the Americans. They share a common history, lineage and in some cases they even have a slightly different look. Compared to let´s say Scandinavians or Dutch which again sets them apart.

The Presidency agrees... America needs to dig its dead family members/ soldiers up out of those grave yards in France (like at Versailles) and return them home. Then, clone Adloph Hitler and Auto von Bismark and re-instate them into power. This ought to satisfy both ends of the spectrum.

I made the mistake once of telling two women (one German and one Polish) that I honestly couldn't tell which country they were from unless they spoke.

Apparently, that was a hideously insulting remark. They can tell the difference just by looks. So to them, it's a big difference.

Adloph Hitler and Auto von Bismark
It´s Adolf Hitler and Otto von Bismarck.

"have you ever visited france, and spoken with the french? I have, and they are nice people, and their police force, whilst not the best of the best, is a damn sight better than others"

The Shadow Worlds, I spent a week in France. Some of the people were not total a-holes, but most were. I was kind and considerate and not obnoxious at all, but was continually rebuked. I much preferred the Italian people.

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Dobbs
This is the Florida statute of which I spoke several posts back... the one the Florida Sup Court ignored in allowing the 2000 recount to continue:

102.112 Deadline for submission of county returns to the Department of State; penalties.--

(1) The county canvassing board or a majority thereof shall file the county returns for the election of a federal or state officer with the Department of State immediately after certification of the election results. Returns must be filed by 5 p.m. on the 7th day following the first primary and general election and by 3 p.m. on the 3rd day following the second primary. If the returns are not received by the department by the time specified, such returns may be ignored and the results on file at that time may be certified by the department.
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and another:

(from 102.111)

"If the county returns are not received by the Department of State by 5 p.m. of the seventh day following an election, all missing counties shall be ignored, and the results shown by the returns on file shall be certified."

These were in force in 2000.

"have you ever visited france, and spoken with the french? I have, and they are nice people, and their police force, whilst not the best of the best, is a damn sight better than others"

The Shadow Worlds, I spent a week in France. Some of the people were not total a-holes, but most were. I was kind and considerate and not obnoxious at all, but was continually rebuked. I much preferred the Italian people.


I found Germans to be friendly, but by and large, extremely racist against Slavs, Arabs, Orientals, and blacks. I was forbidden more than once to enter a restaurant - the owner spoke clear English "no Chinese" even though I am not Chinese.

Italians are incredibly friendly. And not at all racist that I could tell.

When I was in France, on every occasion, even though I speak French, they were incredibly assholish at every possible turn, no matter how friendly I tried to be. And this is over several visits from 1988 to the present. So I can't blame Bush for the anti-American sentiment.

That, and they smoke like chimneys. I thought I smoked a lot, but even the least of them smoked four packs a day.

I'm sure since representation always comes in the form of individual action, it's safe to assume that the French are idiots, that the Americans are bigoted sheep driven by the influence of the media, and that the Europeans are all immature, blood-thirsty idiots.

Hey, I'll admit many Americans are raised to hate the French; hell, my Father hates them. He also thinks America is the only country in the world that isn't a third-world land, so I believe that sums up how reliable his opinions are.
I'm sure foreigners can say that they were raised into hate as well.

I wonder how many of you America-haters or French-haters have actually been to the country of your directed hate and malice?

In the end, one middle-aged American pedophile doesn't represent America, AmeriKKKa boy doesn't represent Europe, and some seriously idiotic policeman don't represent France. You know why? Here's the secret: Idiots are everywhere.

Anyhow, even as strictly atheist as I am, I have enough sense to understand that a creationist who chants: "Die AmeriKKKan capitalistic scum" doesn't represent creationists as a whole, so there's no sense in saying he's typical of a creationist. Anyone who worships death in such a manner is obviously going to act like a 2-year-old savage no matter what country he lives in. And anyone who can't post without the use of the term: "AmeriKKKa" is obviously too immature for a serious conversation regardless.

So I know this post won't stop any of you from continuing to spout such immature garbage, but please, keep your racist views out of a discussion on some French police. Name-calling is not neccesary.

And for the record...
< American, atheistic, and capitalistic

"have you ever visited france, and spoken with the french? I have, and they are nice people, and their police force, whilst not the best of the best, is a damn sight better than others"

The Shadow Worlds, I spent a week in France. Some of the people were not total a-holes, but most were. I was kind and considerate and not obnoxious at all, but was continually rebuked. I much preferred the Italian people.Italian people? Tell that to the inhabitants of Zanzibar.

Ed. note: Bear in mind that the English beat the crap out of the French for a thousand years... and that William the Conqueror was a Danish viking (Normans were really vikings).
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French Military History in a Nutshell

Gallic Wars: Lost. In a war whose ending foreshadows the next 2000 years of French history, France is conquered by of all things, an Italian.

Hundred Years War: Mostly lost, saved at last by a female schizophrenic who inadvertently creates The First Rule of French Warfare - "France's armies are victorious only when not led by a Frenchmen."

Italian Wars: Lost. France becomes the first and only country ever to lose two wars when fighting Italians.

Wars of Religion: France goes 0-5-4 against the Huguenots.

Thirty Years' War: France is technically not a participant, but manages to get invaded anyway. Claims a tie on the basis that eventually the other participants started ignoring her.

War of Devolution: Tied; Frenchmen take to wearing red flowerpots as chapeaux.

The Dutch War: Tied.

War of the Augsburg League/King William's War/French and Indian War: Lost, but claimed as a tie. Deluded Frogophiles the world over label the period as the height of French Military Power.

War of the Spanish Succession: Lost. The War also gave the French their first taste of a Marlborough, which they have loved ever since.

American Revolution: In a move that will become quite familiar to future Americans, France claims a win even though the English colonists saw far more action. This is later known as "de Gaulle Syndrome", and leads to the Second Rule of French Warfare: "France only wins when America does most of the fighting".

French Revolution: Won, primarily due to the fact that the opponent was also French.

The Napoleonic Wars: Lost. Temporary victories (remember the First Rule!) due to leadership of a Corsican, who ended up being no match for a British footwear designer.

The Franco-Prussian War: Lost. Germany first plays the role of drunk Frat boy to France's ugly girl home alone on a Saturday night.

WWI: Tied and on the way to losing, France is saved by the United States. Thousands of French women find out what it's like not only to sleep with a winner, but one who doesn't call her "Fraulein." Sadly, widespread use of condoms by American forces forestalls any improvement in the French bloodline.

WWII: Lost. Conquered French liberated by the United States and Britain just as they finish learning the Horst Wessel Song.

War in Indochina: Lost. French forces plead sickness, take to bed with Dien Bien Flu.

Algerian Rebellion: Lost. Loss marks the first defeat of a Western army by a Non-Turkic Muslim force since the Crusades, and produces the First Rule of Muslim Warfare -"We can always beat the French." This rule is identical to the First Rules of the Italians, Russians, Germans, English, Dutch, Spanish, Vietnamese, and Eskimos.

War on Terrorism: France, keeping in mind its recent history, surrenders to Germans and Muslims just to be safe.
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LMAO!!!!

I'm sure since representation always comes in the form of individual action, it's safe to assume that the French are idiots, that the Americans are bigoted sheep driven by the influence of the media, and that the Europeans are all immature, blood-thirsty idiots.

Hey, I'll admit many Americans are raised to hate the French; hell, my Father hates them. He also thinks America is the only country in the world that isn't a third-world land, so I believe that sums up how reliable his opinions are.
I'm sure foreigners can say that they were raised into hate as well.

I wonder how many of you America-haters or French-haters have actually been to the country of your directed hate and malice?

In the end, one middle-aged American pedophile doesn't represent America, AmeriKKKa boy doesn't represent Europe, and some seriously idiotic policeman don't represent France. You know why? Here's the secret: Idiots are everywhere.

Anyhow, even as strictly atheist as I am, I have enough sense to understand that a creationist who chants: "Die AmeriKKKan capitalistic scum" doesn't represent creationists as a whole, so there's no sense in saying he's typical of a creationist. Anyone who worships death in such a manner is obviously going to act like a 2-year-old savage no matter what country he lives in. And anyone who can't post without the use of the term: "AmeriKKKa" is obviously too immature for a serious conversation regardless.

So I know this post won't stop any of you from continuing to spout such immature garbage, but please, keep your racist views out of a discussion on some French police. Name-calling is not neccesary.

And for the record...
< American, atheistic, and capitalistic

Though even if individual action makes up the outlook of the country … exactly how many French people have you personally met and come to this conclusion for?

If it is less then (rough estimate) about 10 k of them in a randomized fashion (not due to a single common interest) the confidence level of your survey would be WAY to low to be acceptable

You have to have both a large enough sample size coupled with random sampling in this case to pull anything like a reasonable and accurate projection on a population

OMFG! The funniest thing I have read on this forum!

Though even if individual action makes up the outlook of the country … exactly how many French people have you personally met and come to this conclusion for?

You are aware that first paragraph of my post was sarcasm, correct?

If you read the rest of my post, then you see you pretty much summed up the gist of what I was saying, right?

EVERYONE who has ever had any opinion of France read this, this may change your opinion or solidify it.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=535&e=2&u=/ap/20041207/ap_on_re_eu/france_missing_bomb (http://http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=535&e=2&u=/ap/20041207/ap_on_re_eu/france_missing_bomb)

For the lazy of you here is the story short:
Once Again, the French prove that they are morons.

yeah. And US policemen kill a black guy with 30 bullets (meaning the policeman re-loaded a few times to shoot again). Both are morons, except yours is also racist :)
if you wish to debate who is worse, no problem with me. French and americans are just as dumb, but americans are more numerous. They made more stupid things.

Ed. note: Bear in mind that the English beat the crap out of the French for a thousand years... and that William the Conqueror was a Danish viking (Normans were really vikings).
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French Military History in a Nutshell

Gallic Wars: Lost. In a war whose ending foreshadows the next 2000 years of French history, France is conquered by of all things, an Italian.

Hundred Years War: Mostly lost, saved at last by a female schizophrenic who inadvertently creates The First Rule of French Warfare - "France's armies are victorious only when not led by a Frenchmen." I think they did pretty good in this one, and it`s more a win if you check conclusion by historians. They did more damage to the British empire then they did to the french

Italian Wars: Lost. France becomes the first and only country ever to lose two wars when fighting Italians.

Wars of Religion: France goes 0-5-4 against the Huguenots.

Thirty Years' War: France is technically not a participant, but manages to get invaded anyway. Claims a tie on the basis that eventually the other participants started ignoring her.

War of Devolution: Tied; Frenchmen take to wearing red flowerpots as chapeaux.

The Dutch War: Tied.

War of the Augsburg League/King William's War/French and Indian War: Lost, but claimed as a tie. Deluded Frogophiles the world over label the period as the height of French Military Power. That was a Tie not a lost

War of the Spanish Succession: Lost. The War also gave the French their first taste of a Marlborough, which they have loved ever since.

American Revolution: In a move that will become quite familiar to future Americans, France claims a win even though the English colonists saw far more action. This is later known as "de Gaulle Syndrome", and leads to the Second Rule of French Warfare: "France only wins when America does most of the fighting". American would of lost if the French didn`t go help you so say; Thank you!!

French Revolution: Won, primarily due to the fact that the opponent was also French.

The Napoleonic Wars: Lost. Temporary victories (remember the First Rule!) due to leadership of a Corsican, who ended up being no match for a British footwear designer. One of the biggest empire in the world was created...it`s like saying Hitler accomplished nothing.It`s a lost but they did win for a long time...and nobody didn`t know how to counter Napoleon great tactics

The Franco-Prussian War: Lost. Germany first plays the role of drunk Frat boy to France's ugly girl home alone on a Saturday night.

WWI: Tied and on the way to losing, France is saved by the United States. Thousands of French women find out what it's like not only to sleep with a winner, but one who doesn't call her "Fraulein." Sadly, widespread use of condoms by American forces forestalls any improvement in the French bloodline. Actually the United State didn`t do much in this war...a lot less than WWII it was more the british empire. Canada is the country who killed the more German troops.I`m proud of my country :)

WWII: Lost. Conquered French liberated by the United States and Britain just as they finish learning the Horst Wessel Song. Creation of the Blitzkrieg..nobody could resist them not even the British and they had a much better equip army then the USA. You would have lost to.

War in Indochina: Lost. French forces plead sickness, take to bed with Dien Bien Flu. You lost to!!!!

Algerian Rebellion: Lost. Loss marks the first defeat of a Western army by a Non-Turkic Muslim force since the Crusades, and produces the First Rule of Muslim Warfare -"We can always beat the French." This rule is identical to the First Rules of the Italians, Russians, Germans, English, Dutch, Spanish, Vietnamese, and Eskimos.

War on Terrorism: France, keeping in mind its recent history, surrenders to Germans and Muslims just to be safe. France,Canada,Germany, Three of your greatess alies didn`t follow you even if they did support you after 9/11
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LMAO!!!!

Hummm your mistaken on a couple of points but pretty good in history but bias by your american culture again!!!

You want to know a fun Fact... You were beaten By Canada when you tried to invade them after the American Revolution.. CANADA for Christ sake!!!!
hahahaha

Just for the record also: Canadian,Catholic,Capitalistic

yeah. And US policemen kill a black guy with 30 bullets (meaning the policeman re-loaded a few times to shoot again). Both are morons, except yours is also racist :)
if you wish to debate who is worse, no problem with me. French and americans are just as dumb, but americans are more numerous. They made more stupid things.

Speak Chinese and eat rice. How can over a billion people be wrong?

Ed. note: Bear in mind that the English beat the crap out of the French for a thousand years... and that William the Conqueror was a Danish viking (Normans were really vikings).
---------------------------------------------------

French Military History in a Nutshell

Gallic Wars: Lost. In a war whose ending foreshadows the next 2000 years of French history, France is conquered by of all things, an Italian.

Hundred Years War: Mostly lost, saved at last by a female schizophrenic who inadvertently creates The First Rule of French Warfare - "France's armies are victorious only when not led by a Frenchmen."

Italian Wars: Lost. France becomes the first and only country ever to lose two wars when fighting Italians.

Wars of Religion: France goes 0-5-4 against the Huguenots.

Thirty Years' War: France is technically not a participant, but manages to get invaded anyway. Claims a tie on the basis that eventually the other participants started ignoring her.

War of Devolution: Tied; Frenchmen take to wearing red flowerpots as chapeaux.

The Dutch War: Tied.

War of the Augsburg League/King William's War/French and Indian War: Lost, but claimed as a tie. Deluded Frogophiles the world over label the period as the height of French Military Power.

War of the Spanish Succession: Lost. The War also gave the French their first taste of a Marlborough, which they have loved ever since.

American Revolution: In a move that will become quite familiar to future Americans, France claims a win even though the English colonists saw far more action. This is later known as "de Gaulle Syndrome", and leads to the Second Rule of French Warfare: "France only wins when America does most of the fighting".

French Revolution: Won, primarily due to the fact that the opponent was also French.

The Napoleonic Wars: Lost. Temporary victories (remember the First Rule!) due to leadership of a Corsican, who ended up being no match for a British footwear designer.

The Franco-Prussian War: Lost. Germany first plays the role of drunk Frat boy to France's ugly girl home alone on a Saturday night.

WWI: Tied and on the way to losing, France is saved by the United States. Thousands of French women find out what it's like not only to sleep with a winner, but one who doesn't call her "Fraulein." Sadly, widespread use of condoms by American forces forestalls any improvement in the French bloodline.

WWII: Lost. Conquered French liberated by the United States and Britain just as they finish learning the Horst Wessel Song.

War in Indochina: Lost. French forces plead sickness, take to bed with Dien Bien Flu.

Algerian Rebellion: Lost. Loss marks the first defeat of a Western army by a Non-Turkic Muslim force since the Crusades, and produces the First Rule of Muslim Warfare -"We can always beat the French." This rule is identical to the First Rules of the Italians, Russians, Germans, English, Dutch, Spanish, Vietnamese, and Eskimos.

War on Terrorism: France, keeping in mind its recent history, surrenders to Germans and Muslims just to be safe.
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dumbest thing ever. Why did you not mention the victories? Should I mention, for exemple, that the french won the American independance war, much more than the americans did? The americans were mostly farmers that refused to leave their farm and family. Check your history.
Or that french won a war against almost all other european nations right after its revolution? Or that the 100 years war was not "mostly lost"(it means nothing anyway, a war is won or lost :rolleyes:), but won in the end?
That the same viets that won against us won against the american army. WWI was tied, not "on the way to losing". Or add some arguments (/me think you have none, since you don't know even your own history...).

The huguenots were massacred by the french, even if this is just another franco-french war. It is not a "0-5-4" but a complete win. Most of the huguenots fled to nearby countries. You are ignorant :/

French might have been conquered by almost every other nation, but also conquered every nation that conquered them at any time. European history is like this. Learn it :)

Of course france is tied for the dutch wars. It was a war between dutch and english guys.
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France was a participant in the thirty years war, and helped its side won. Ignorant again.

forestalls any improvement in the French bloodline.

this is being racist, I don't know if you even noticed it when you posted... but seeing the terrible ignorance of the man who posted this, I don't the french bloodline needs any improvement, compared to yours :)


I did not answer to all of the statements, but I'm getting tired of fighting this dumb propaganda for dumb people. Learn your history, then post. The french history is full of victories and defeats, one could have easily managed to come with more defeats. But that was just stupid and almost always, factually incorrect.

Speak Chinese and eat rice. How can over a billion people be wrong?

it's not like they chose. (they don't exactly live in a democracy ;))

tbh ive always found the US to be far more racist than europe :|

ive visited several parts of the USA, and most of europe, and have to say that by far an away the least worldly view of life has been found in the USA.

in europe you meet people of differnt nationalities all the time. you see people who have immigrated from all over the world, and you see 3rd and 4th generation immigrant families all the time. there is no sense of 'we art better than thou' like i have sensed in the US.
Sorry to go so far bck into the thread but this had to be addressed. The Europeans have a history of rascism as well. If you don't believe me, look at what they did to the people of Africa, India, and China. Or even how they wiped out indigenious populations in the South Pacific. Well done.

And you have never been to other parts of America then the South, I assume. Everyone here is an immigrant. Saying Europe has more immigrants than America is the dumbest thing I have ever heard.

Hummm your mistaken on a couple of points but pretty good in history but bias by your american culture again!!!

You want to know a fun Fact... You were beaten By Canada when you tried to invade them after the American Revolution.. CANADA for Christ sake!!!!
hahahaha

Just for the record also: Canadian,Catholic,Capitalistic
If by Canada, you mean the English. Typical Canadian bias.

If by Canada, you mean the English.
True, we did recieve a bit of help from the English... :)

True, we did recieve a bit of help from the English... :)
I thought Canada was not a country at that time? (I remember going through this argument a few weeks ago but I was not one of the primary combatants so I don’t remember off hand the dates)

I thought Canada was not a country at that time? (I remember going through this argument a few weeks ago but I was not one of the primary combatants so I don’t remember off hand the dates)
Well, it's semantics really. There was an upper-Canada and a lower-Canada, they had a populaiton (indians and whites) and it's those peoples in the form of milicia that repelled the US invasion and joined forces with the British to burn down the white house.

The proponents of one side will tell you that the Canadian militia was under british officers and that if British forces weren't engaging US forces elsewhere, Canada migh have been lost.

The proponents of the other side will tell you that british forces didn'T help repel the invasion and that the 2 forces joined only in DC, where the Canadian militia had to wait for the British to come join the party.

Either way, both sides of the argument call it a US defeat.

Well, it's semantics really. There was an upper-Canada and a lower-Canada, they had a populaiton (indians and whites) and it's those peoples in the form of milicia that repelled the US invasion and joined forces with the British to burn down the white house.

The proponents of one side will tell you that the Canadian militia was under british officers and that if British forces weren't engaging US forces elsewhere, Canada migh have been lost.

The proponents of the other side will tell you that british forces didn'T help repel the invasion and that the 2 forces joined only in DC, where the Canadian militia had to wait for the British to come join the party.

Either way, both sides of the argument call it a US defeat.
Some people would say that no Canadian troops ever made it to DC. That it was only British troops that burned down the White House.

I understand that Canada had a militia of both French and British troops. But saying that they could have won without the English being there seems farfetched.

Some people would say that no Canadian troops ever made it to DC. That it was only British troops that burned down the White House.

I understand that Canada had a militia of both French and British troops. But saying that they could have won without the English being there seems farfetched.
The people who would said your first statement would be lying.
The people who would say your second would probably be right. But, I seriously doubt the then-Us could have hold on to then-Canada. For starters, we had quite a few loyalist who fled the revolution who would have taken up arms. And then we would have had others like farmers, indians, and so on who wanted no part of the states. Yes, the white house would not have burned, but the US wouldn't have held Canada.

The people who would said your first statement would be lying.

I had some primary sources at one point that said Canadian troops sat outside the city and it was only British troops that burned it down. I have had this debate before with friends and in class. There are a varity of stories and a varity of opinions and bias. Basically, the only conclusion that can be made is that it was burned down at one point.

Not that it really matters.

May I remind you that you stupid americans trained the terrorists that downed the WTC ? You did not need France for this one

May I remind you that you stupid americans trained the terrorists that downed the WTC ? You did not need France for this one
If by trained you me they took flight school here, yes. We also trained some of the members of the that formed the Taliban, back in the day. Not the same people though.

God I hope to God that 9.11 happens again!
Don't you place any value on human life at all?

EVERYONE who has ever had any opinion of France read this, this may change your opinion or solidify it.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=535&e=2&u=/ap/20041207/ap_on_re_eu/france_missing_bomb (http://http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=535&e=2&u=/ap/20041207/ap_on_re_eu/france_missing_bomb)

For the lazy of you here is the story short:



Once Again, the French prove that they are morons.

Upon discovery of the missing explosives, the government of France immediately drew up terms of surrender and began waving white flags.

Don't you place any value on human life at all?

Obviously, he does not. This is becoming the norm in the world - your enemies are no longer human, therefore their lives are forfeit.

What he fails to realize is that if something like 9-11 does happen again (which I believe to be an inevitability, like the sun coming up in the morning), that the reaction of the US will be even more terrible and sustained than the current wave of violence.

It's rather like playing with a poisonous snake, and saying, "I hope it bites me again!"

Upon discovery of the missing explosives, the government of France immediately drew up terms of surrender and began waving white flags.


Now that's amusing!


In comparison, IF US authorities were stupid enough to plant explosives on an unsuspecting passenger, I'd call them stupid as well. I don't believe race, eye color, hair color, or skin color made anyone more intelligent or ignorant.

Now that's amusing!


In comparison, IF US authorities were stupid enough to plant explosives on an unsuspecting passenger, I'd call them stupid as well. I don't believe race, eye color, hair color, or skin color made anyone more intelligent or ignorant.

Custodes, you're right. But be careful.. There are plenty of people on this forum who believe that the US is always wrong, and Europeans (the French in particular) are always right. If you point out that everyone can be stupid, they'll accuse you of trolling.

Ed. note: Bear in mind that the English beat the crap out of the French for a thousand years... and that William the Conqueror was a Danish viking (Normans were really vikings).

Ba-Lo-Ney

How come their battlecry was.... Dex Aie? and not Gud hiflt or something?

Red State History in a nutshell.

War of Independence.
Sur'ners mostly fight for George III.
Get whipped by France and French Auxiliaries.

War of 1812:
Sitting in the dug-out.

War with Mexico.
Won by North.
Alamo thoroughly lost by Rednecks. Killed to the last ( YAY ).

Civil War:
Rednecks start war, and get whipped. Surrender at Appomatox Courthouse.
Some of the more interesting battles:
Gettysburg... surners get whipped, but claim victory.
Chickamauga. Unable to overcome a single Rock.
Chancellorsville: victorious for once, surners kill their own commander by surprise. Unfortunately, Lee wasn't commanding that day.
Malvern Hill: surners get wiped out storming artillery. Unfortunately, do not keep up the good work, and some surners survive.

WW-I: Arrive just in time to join in the victory-celebration.

WW-II: American Army functions as minor auxiliary to Soviet Army.

Korea: get whipped, until reliefed by Euros.

'Nam: Being unable to even pretend to win, Surners produce Rusty McCallie to save face.

Gulf War I: US Army serves as auxilliary to Saudi's... who reward them with 911.

Gulf War II. Catastrophic victory, as Red State Troops are unable to deal with winning.

Custodes, you're right. But be careful.. There are plenty of people on this forum who believe that the US is always wrong, and Europeans (the French in particular) are always right. If you point out that everyone can be stupid, they'll accuse you of trolling.
True and on the other side, there's plenty of poster who think the Us is always right and that the french are just good to be laughed at.

Wow.

I read all that.


I must really hate myself, or something.

I don`t think that the US is always wrong...but what you guys fail to realize is that your goverment did a lot of mistakes with their foreign policies...

It affects all of us...and you just can`t bring yourself to say: "Ok it was a mistake, we were wrong. That`s what bothers me!!!

Ba-Lo-Ney

How come their battlecry was.... Dex Aie? and not Gud hiflt or something?

Red State History in a nutshell.

War of Independence.
Sur'ners mostly fight for George III.
Get whipped by France and French Auxiliaries.

War of 1812:
Sitting in the dug-out.

War with Mexico.
Won by North.
Alamo thoroughly lost by Rednecks. Killed to the last ( YAY ).

Civil War:
Rednecks start war, and get whipped. Surrender at Appomatox Courthouse.
Some of the more interesting battles:
Gettysburg... surners get whipped, but claim victory.
Chickamauga. Unable to overcome a single Rock.
Chancellorsville: victorious for once, surners kill their own commander by surprise. Unfortunately, Lee wasn't commanding that day.
Malvern Hill: surners get wiped out storming artillery. Unfortunately, do not keep up the good work, and some surners survive.

WW-I: Arrive just in time to join in the victory-celebration.

WW-II: American Army functions as minor auxiliary to Soviet Army.

Korea: get whipped, until reliefed by Euros.

'Nam: Being unable to even pretend to win, Surners produce Rusty McCallie to save face.

Gulf War I: US Army serves as auxilliary to Saudi's... who reward them with 911.

Gulf War II. Catastrophic victory, as Red State Troops are unable to deal with winning.
You understand that part of the "red states" are in the North right?

You understand that part of the "red states" are in the North right?


I freely forgive the northern states for their transgressions...
*shrugs*

( PS: I detested Slick Willy too )

I don`t think that the US is always wrong...but what you guys fail to realize is that your goverment did a lot of mistakes with their foreign policies...

It affects all of us...and you just can`t bring yourself to say: "Ok it was a mistake, we were wrong. That`s what bothers me!!!


Yup, so instead they come with stuff like this thread - desperately trying to find other people who make mistakes

Misery loves company - in this case it is clear that failure does too, and thats why Americans are so keen to point out other countries failings

Hmm, I wonder if, (and presume), that the explosives had no trigger, (etc.); I'm pretty sure the French wouldn't be stupid as to put explosives through the baggage checking process - or on a plane - that have any 'reasonable' chance of actually *exploding*...maybe they were that stupid, don't really know :\?!?! (Sorry, didn't actually read the original article because was too busy reading the racist comments that followed..!)

First, I think the idea of using this mistake, which I think we can all assume has happened before in other countries, is any reasonable reason to condemn the whole French *race* of being stupid?! If anything, admitting that the explosives actually got onto the plane was the stupid thing...*evil laugh*. Maybe the French just aren't as adept at good old cover-ups...we've had a few of those in England, for example - (I'm sure the US have had their fair share as well).

Second, well it's just racist... Personally, I support the actions of the US, to a large extent at least, but the people and/or leaders of France are entitled to their own opinion and, let's face it, till something terrible like the WTC happens in France there's no real reason for the internal support to build up needed for them to send their troops off to Iraq to be killed. And yes, some of our troops did die from American friendly fire, but it's not like I'm going to say all Americans are stupid because of *ACCIDENTS* like these... I think French foreign policy is whimpish...but that's just my opinion, they are entitled to their own. But I'd bet that if something similar happened in France the support for such a war would be far greater. France is as capable of exerting revenge as any other nation - take Clemenceau (aka. "The Tiger") after WWI, for example.

Anyway, maybe the French foreign policy is stupid, especially from a US perspective, but I wouldn't say that all French people are stupid cause of that...would you?

Yup, so instead they come with stuff like this thread - desperately trying to find other people who make mistakes

Misery loves company - in this case it is clear that failure does too, and thats why Americans are so keen to point out other countries failings

Gee, I could say the same thing about the French...

Yup, so instead they come with stuff like this thread - desperately trying to find other people who make mistakes

Misery loves company - in this case it is clear that failure does too, and thats why Americans are so keen to point out other countries failings
I suppose one could argue that the reason that Europeans point out American mistakes now is because of the same reason. They made a lot of mistakes in the past and they want to focus the light elsewhere.

[QUOTE=Hughski] France is as capable of exerting revenge as any other nation - take Clemenceau (aka. "The Tiger") after WWI, for example.

QUOTE]


I agree with the rest of the point you're making - but I don't think Clemenceau is held up in history as being a shining example of doing the right thing - and there is a slight difference between WW1 and 9/11 - even if simply in terms of casualties involved

Gee, I could say the same thing about the French...



Perhaps, but recently I think we'd all agree - American foreign policy failings have been a little bigger than French ones...

Perhaps Europeans do have a guilty conscience from history - but at least we're slowly getting a clue - Hegemony/Empire is not the wonder it sounds.

Perhaps, but recently I think we'd all agree - American foreign policy failings have been a little bigger than French ones...

Perhaps Europeans do have a guilty conscience from history - but at least we're slowly getting a clue - Hegemony/Empire is not the wonder it sounds.
I could give you a list of horrible things from England's past foreign policy.

And I think it is unfair to say that the current American foreign policy is worse than past French ones. We do not yet know the outcome nor do we know how long it will last or if it will continue. So far it is 4 years for America and few hundred for the French.

So was Timothy Mc Veigh. A real patriot.

He was, he was a great man who stood tall against CIA Imperialism like the fabrication of the Libya-Berlin Nightclub Bombing link. It was the great German Political Journal "Der Spiegel" that had the proverbial balls to expose that one, along with the BBC.

Why don't we go down the list of former French colonies, and ask them if the French ever screwed them?

Then we can go down the list of American colonies...

I could give you a list of horrible things from England's past foreign policy.

And I think it is unfair to say that the current American foreign policy is worse than past French ones. We do not yet know the outcome nor do we know how long it will last or if it will continue. So far it is 4 years for America and few hundred for the French.

Oh my God!

You think you have been committing aggressive actions for the past 4 years?

Past 60 my small minded fool, past 60.....

Just look at the senile puppet Reagan's actions towards Central America, look at your treatment of the hero Chavez now, look at Vietnam - No, look at the whole of Indochina and while your at it look at The Middle East and The Arabic World. You have murdered millions, yes millions. And on September the 11th, 2001 America joined the real World, you will never be safe unless the Empire is disbanded.

http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/LondonFreePress/News/2004/12/08/772507.html

i couldn't access the story, but here's another copy incase others have the same problem as me.

I have read some goddamn shit today in the forums, but this takes the farking cake.

WHO THE HELL ARE YOU??? OSAMA BIN LADEN ADMITED HE DID IT!!!! WHAT PURPOSE WOULD KILLING 3000 OF HIS OWN CIVILIANS SERVE????

AND CHENEY IN CHARGE??? I WONT EVEN DIGNIFY THAT WITH AN ANSWER.
AND YOU HAVE THIS "GUT FEELING" IS THAT THE GIANT PARASITIC WORM THAT RESIDES IN YOUR STOMACH THAT EATS OUT THE COMMON SENSE AREA OF YOUR SLUSH OF A BRAIN???

YOU DONT HAVE A GUT YOU SPINELESS "SORE LOOSER" COMMIE SON OF A BIZATCH"

*sigh* what is wrong with you kids??

You really want to know? I felt it, deep in my gut, a sickening dread feeling that welled up inside me the morning the towers came down. It was just too politically expedient to be mere coincidence. After stealing the last election, Bush had polarized America. He needed some sort of extraordinary means to garner bilateral support. I won't say absolutely that he knew what was going to happen that morning (let's face it, Cheney is in charge, folks), but I think at least Dick knew that something was up, involving airplanes on American soil.

I'd like to think that Cheney assumed those planes were going to be hijacked in the time-honoured tradition of hijackings...that the terrorists would hold the passengers and crew to ransom, either on the runway or mid-flight. I'd like to think he hadn't heard of the possibility that they might be used as flying missiles. But I can't be sure, he very well might have.

So you'll say I'm cracked, where's my links, where's an article, etc, etc. I'll be totally honest with you: I got nothing. all I've got is this gut feeling, this deep-down inside sensation that still gnaws at me when I go to sleep at night, that the current administration has displayed a dizzying capacity for taking unilateral actions based on immediate political expediency, as well as a thoroughgoing opacity in policymaking. They are very shadowy for people who supposedly live under the full glare of the media spotlight. Shadowy indeed.

I await your long knives.

DT.

Nope, its a mixed economy, partly planned, partly free market. America is far more to the right than Europe is. And AmeriKKKa will feel European wrath one day. God I hope to God that 9.11 happens again!
What's with the "AmeriKKKa"? It's just stupid to write it that way. Are you trying to say we are all members of racist organizations? That's just idiotic.

Better some lost explosives rather than a couple of towers falling down with the capitalist scum still inside, heheehehehe.
Ok, ordinary working people, janitors, secretaries, receptionists, waiters and cooks are capitalist scum who deserve to die. This shows where you're coming from. No wonder people here hate the french.

What's with the "AmeriKKKa"? It's just stupid to write it that way. Are you trying to say we are all members of racist organizations? That's just idiotic.

It's called "trolling", but I'm not sure how Noam Chomsky would define "a troll".

He would probably say that calling someone a "troll" was a weapon of the totalitarian state.

Wow, I'm glad you had me read that. Some French policemen screwed up, so I have no choice except to conclude that all French people are morons. Fortunately, U.S. authorities have never made any mistakes, certainly none with the potential to result in fatalities.
I do not assume that the French people are idiots, just that the Government is.

Hahahaha, now I'm French?

Sure I'll embrace the 'liberal' values of the only industrialised nation on earth without Public Health. The only nation on Earth with such bad segregation until the 60's. The only nation on earth with the KKK and so on.

You AmeriKKKans are not 'Liberal and Multicultural' - You all have redknecks and watch WWF.
Every nation has racist groups. Whichever nation you are from is no different.

Germans stand tall against AmeriKKKan Imperialism!
What imperialism? Whare are our collonies? We have no empire, and don't desire one.

Dobbs

Bush didn't steal the 2000 election; Gore tried to steal it from Bush by RE-WRITING FLORIDA STATE LAW, which states that returns MUST BE TURNED IN BY A CERTAIN DATE, or they don't count.

what part of that can't you libs understand?

It took an activist Florida State Supreme Court to ignore existing FLORIDA LAW and allow the count to proceed well past its legislated deadline.

Thankfully, the US Supreme Court saw the error and activism in this and put a stop to it.

LOL, do you now get it?
Bush's bro had roadblocks put up in black neighborhoods to discourage voters. He took thousands of blacks off the voter rolls illegaly. He claims that it was to keep felons from voting and that some innocent blacks were removed by accident. There are numerous cuban felons in Florida. Very few if any of those errors took place in the cuban community. Perhaps because cubans traditionally vote republican?

What imperialism? Whare are our collonies? We have no empire, and don't desire one.

ROFLMAO.

Read something, anything. But please don't believe you are doing this out of the goodness of your hearts. Latin America - Read up on that and US Interventionalism, that can serve as a base for future reference.

Better some lost explosives rather than a couple of towers falling down with the capitalist scum still inside, heheehehehe.

Dude, you are such an arrogant idiot. You think you are intelligent, but that statement (and many you have made) are sickening.

It's called "trolling", but I'm not sure how Noam Chomsky would define "a troll".

He would probably say that calling someone a "troll" was a weapon of the totalitarian state.

HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA

YOU TEH FUNNY MAN MISTA REDKNECK, U CAN KEEPS YOUR GUN AND GO SHOOTIN' SOME NEGROES WITH CHARLT-UN HEST-UN!!!! HE'Z A TRU 'MERICAN HERO!!!!!

Its time like this I'm glad I have the 9.11 vid on my desktop, makes me feel better to know somebody, somewhere got some revenge.

Bush's bro had roadblocks put up in black neighborhoods to discourage voters. He took thousands of blacks off the voter rolls illegaly. He claims that it was to keep felons from voting and that some innocent blacks were removed by accident. There are numerous cuban felons in Florida. Very few if any of those errors took place in the cuban community. Perhaps because cubans traditionally vote republican?

Yep, Batistan Cubans who would love a return to the dark days of that dictatorial scumbag. Again, they are not representative of the Cuban Populace, they were the ones who benefited under Batista and thus fled. Why do you think they own massive villas on the Florida coast?

HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA

YOU TEH FUNNY MAN MISTA REDKNECK, U CAN KEEPS YOUR GUN AND GO SHOOTIN' SOME NEGROES WITH CHARLT-UN HEST-UN!!!! HE'Z A TRU 'MERICAN HERO!!!!!

Its time like this I'm glad I have the 9.11 vid on my desktop, makes me feel better to know somebody, somewhere got some revenge.

Not a redneck, no. Not even white. Not even affluent. Not a member of the NRA.

I did shoot quite a few Iraqis. But I was fair. In each case, I waited until I was sure they were shooting at me, let them reload, and then shot them in the head.

May I remind you that you stupid americans trained the terrorists that downed the WTC ? You did not need France for this one
Right. Pilots from all over the world came to the USA to learn how to fly. You might as well learn from the best, right? An open society is always at risk from terrorist attack. Since the US welcomes students, workers and immigrants from all over the world we will have problems with terrorism. It wasn't stupidity on our part, it was generosity and a welcoming spirit.

Wow, It's nice to know so many other people in the world also feel the french are moronic. I like the reply turnout. =P

Perhaps, but recently I think we'd all agree - American foreign policy failings have been a little bigger than French ones...

Perhaps Europeans do have a guilty conscience from history - but at least we're slowly getting a clue - Hegemony/Empire is not the wonder it sounds.
I agree that America has made foreign policy blunders. Every nation that has been in a position of power has. America has been in a position of greater power than any nation in history (our rise came along with the development of logistics and weapons that can project force effectively anywhere in the world). BTW we don't have or want an empire.

Oh my God!

You think you have been committing aggressive actions for the past 4 years?

Past 60 my small minded fool, past 60.....

Just look at the senile puppet Reagan's actions towards Central America, look at your treatment of the hero Chavez now, look at Vietnam - No, look at the whole of Indochina and while your at it look at The Middle East and The Arabic World. You have murdered millions, yes millions. And on September the 11th, 2001 America joined the real World, you will never be safe unless the Empire is disbanded.
The hero Chavez? You mean the guy who is bankrupting his country even though oil revenues are at an all time high? The guy who has lawyers and other professionals working as street vendors? Hugo Chavez the communist?
Again I ask What Empire?

ROFLMAO.

Read something, anything. But please don't believe you are doing this out of the goodness of your hearts. Latin America - Read up on that and US Interventionalism, that can serve as a base for future reference.
Our intervention in Central America was not building an empire. It wasn't legal, or ethical, but we don't have collonies there. Grow the fuck up and stop spouting crap about Imperialism because it's the cool anti-american catchphrase.

Yep, Batistan Cubans who would love a return to the dark days of that dictatorial scumbag. Again, they are not representative of the Cuban Populace, they were the ones who benefited under Batista and thus fled. Why do you think they own massive villas on the Florida coast?
What does that have to do with my original post? Do you even read the posts you respond to?

I think USE is a little upset because I didn't pay homage to Noam Chomsky.

Not a redneck, no. Not even white. Not even affluent. Not a member of the NRA.



Really? It's a great a great group. Would you like information on joining mailed to you??

( This is open to anyone else interested in joining the NRA also )

Our intervention in Central America was not building an empire. It wasn't legal, or ethical, but we don't have collonies there. Grow the fuck up and stop spouting crap about Imperialism because it's the cool anti-american catchphrase.
Listen, you do need to review a couples of foreign attitudes of the US. They are acting imperialistic. They regularly dispose of elected governments to put dicators that they believe will be receptive to the wishes of the US.

Just because USE is acting like a prick doesn't mean that he's totally wrong on that point. Although his message would pass much better if he acted more rationnally.

As for that jab about America being in a position of greater power than any nation in history. I would say that the Romans or the British has had a greater nation if compared relatively. Although I admit it's hard to compare apples and oranges.

Listen, you do need to review a couples of foreign attitudes of the US. They are acting imperialistic. They regularly dispose of elected governments to put dicators that they believe will be receptive to the wishes of the US.

Just because USE is acting like a prick doesn't mean that he's totally wrong on that point. Although his message would pass much better if he acted more rationnally.

As for that jab about America being in a position of greater power than any nation in history. I would say that the Romans or the British has had a greater nation if compared relatively. Although I admit it's hard to compare apples and oranges.
I qualified my statement about American power by saying that it's largely based on technology that no other major power had in their day. Aircraft carrier battlegroups and intercontinental ballistic missiles just didn't exist in Roman times. That limited their potential sphere of influence.

I qualified my statement about American power by saying that it's largely based on technology that no other major power had in their day. Aircraft carrier battlegroups and intercontinental ballistic missiles just didn't exist in Roman times. That limited their potential sphere of influence.
Ah but a roman walking on foot didn'T need other protection than the words "roman citizen". Try to do that with the US now...

And the British: the sun never sets on the british empire. They had naval dominance and were in the same dominant position technologically speaking that the US now.

Yes the US is powerfull, but the fact that most countries can afford the technology that you describe is a sign that it's not the greatest empire in history.

Just my two cents.

Ah but a roman walking on foot didn'T need other protection than the words "roman citizen". Try to do that with the US now...

And the British: the sun never sets on the british empire. They had naval dominance and were in the same dominant position technologically speaking that the US now.

Yes the US is powerfull, but the fact that most countries can afford the technology that you describe is a sign that it's not the greatest empire in history.

Just my two cents.
A roman who protected himself by proclaiming Roman citizenship was saying if you kill me my people will massacre yours. The US isn't that into massacring the populations of foreign countries. We are warlike, but not likely to carpet bomb civilians any more. It wasn't a manifestation of how well respected Rome was, just how feared.
Britain had naval dominance in it's time, but not in the same league as the US today. The level of firepower and the number of troops and supplies that can be sent anywhere in the world in very short order is amazing.
Anyway, that doesn't matter. My point is that powerfull nations tend to make bigger mistakes than weak ones because their decisions have more widespread impact.

Italian people? Tell that to the inhabitants of Zanzibar.
And what about the Zanzibarians? (sp) The Italians didn't do anything to them.

Oh my God!

You think you have been committing aggressive actions for the past 4 years?

Past 60 my small minded fool, past 60.....

Just look at the senile puppet Reagan's actions towards Central America, look at your treatment of the hero Chavez now, look at Vietnam - No, look at the whole of Indochina and while your at it look at The Middle East and The Arabic World. You have murdered millions, yes millions. And on September the 11th, 2001 America joined the real World, you will never be safe unless the Empire is disbanded.
First, watch the flaming.

Reagan was not senile during his presidency. Maybe if you actually study what he did instead of spot out bullshit you heard someone else make you would know that.

Where did you get this figure of millions? I would really like to see how US imperialism, which is not the same kind as the European imperialism of the past, directly killed that many people.

Which Chavez are you talking about? Cesar? Hugo? Victor? You obviously do not know that the name is common in Latin America and there are many famous people in history with it.

Even if you are right, that America's horrible foreign policy has been around since 1944, then the nation still has a long way to catch up with Europe.

Right... let's tell the South again about their history, to liven things up.

Red State History in a nutshell.

War of Independence.
Sur'ners mostly fight for George III.
Got whipped by France and French Auxiliaries.

War of 1812:
Sitting in the dug-out.

War with Mexico.
Won by North.
Alamo thoroughly lost by Rednecks. Killed to the last ( YAY ).

Civil War:
Rednecks start war, and get whipped. Surrender at Appomatox Courthouse.
Some of the more interesting battles:
Gettysburg... surners get whipped, but claim victory. Turn tail.
Chickamauga. Unable to overcome a single Rock.
Chancellorsville: victorious for once, surners kill their own commander by surprise. Unfortunately, Lee not commanding that day.
Malvern Hill: surners get wiped out storming artillery. Unfortunately, do not keep up good work, and some survive.

WW-I: Arrive just in time to join in the victory-celebration.

WW-II: American Army functions as minor auxiliary to Soviet Army.

Korea: get whipped, until reliefed by Euros.

'Nam: Being unable to even pretend to win, due to having no Euro allies, Surners produce Rusty McCallie to save face.

Gulf War I: US Army serves as auxilliary to Saudi's... who reward them with 911.

Gulf War II. Catastrophic victory, as Red State Troops are unable to deal with unexpected winning.

Amall Madnar, you are warned for trolling.

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