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Now THATS an exageration!

Probably like, oh, 51%

Do you recall his approval ratings post 9/11? And more than that, do you think there is more than a percent or 2 of people who would have said that the Gov. shouldn't provide aid to NY under the circumstances of 9/11? If so, I work in a mental health clinic and know a couple good psychiatrists capable of precribing medications to help alleviate delusional symptoms.

Do you recall his approval ratings post 9/11? And more than that, do you think there is more than a percent or 2 of people who would have said that the Gov. shouldn't provide aid to NY under the circumstances of 9/11? If so, I work in a mental health clinic and know a couple good psychiatrists capable of precribing medications to help alleviate delusional symptoms.

IIRC, his approval ratings in the immediate period after 9-11 was a record level of approval across all Presidential polling history.

IIRC, his approval ratings in the immediate period after 9-11 was a record level of approval across all Presidential polling history.


The major point here is that Bush has made some good decisions that virtually the world agreed with, not just the US. Yes, some of them were common sense, but he made them just the same and deserves credit for them, just like he deserves credit for his mistakes. Anyone so blindly partisan that they can't see 1 good thing that he did while in office is literally delusional or lying out right and I prefer not to call people liars unless given no other resonable option.

The major point here is that Bush has made some good decisions that virtually the world agreed with, not just the US. Yes, some of them were common sense, but he made them just the same and deserves credit for them, just like he deserves credit for his mistakes. Anyone so blindly partisan that they can't see 1 good thing that he did while in office is literally delusional or lying out right.

I would agree. But we've entered a new era of American politics. It started with people who believed that Clinton is responsible for every evil thing in history, followed by the equal but opposite reaction - people who think that Bush is responsible for every evil thing in history.

If you consider how little effect the President has on legislation (he can beg for legislation or veto it; he can't control the budget because the Senate does that for him), or on the economy (the total budget of the US in a year is less than the amount of money that exchanges hands on Wall Street in one day), you wonder how much he can be blamed for.

If I'm the lead broker at Merrill Lynch, I wield more economic power in my daily decisions than virtually any national government on Earth. And I was Selected, Not Elected. But you won't hear anyone cry about how I got my job.

In a nation like the UK, the Prime Minister has to answer very pointed questions every week - questions posed by the opposition. He has to be fast on his feet, because he has a lot more power than our President. Our Presidents are distant executive figures, whose powers are sharply limited by the other branches. And, executive power resides largely in the bureaucracy, the majority of whom never change their seats no matter who is President.

The best thing Bush will ever do is die. But by then it's too late.

Strange, thats the worst that can happen. The best thing Bush did was fight terrorist, and issue tax cuts. Remember tax cuts? That was a good thing... :rolleyes:

he's to right wing for my likings

Strange, thats the worst that can happen. The best thing Bush did was fight terrorist, and issue tax cuts. Remember tax cuts? That was a good thing... :rolleyes:

Yes, because cutting taxes is the best way to reduce a record budget deficit.
You studied economics at the same place Bush did, huh?

I would agree. But we've entered a new era of American politics. It started with people who believed that Clinton is responsible for every evil thing in history, followed by the equal but opposite reaction - people who think that Bush is responsible for every evil thing in history.

If you consider how little effect the President has on legislation (he can beg for legislation or veto it; he can't control the budget because the Senate does that for him), or on the economy (the total budget of the US in a year is less than the amount of money that exchanges hands on Wall Street in one day), you wonder how much he can be blamed for.

If I'm the lead broker at Merrill Lynch, I wield more economic power in my daily decisions than virtually any national government on Earth. And I was Selected, Not Elected. But you won't hear anyone cry about how I got my job.

In a nation like the UK, the Prime Minister has to answer very pointed questions every week - questions posed by the opposition. He has to be fast on his feet, because he has a lot more power than our President. Our Presidents are distant executive figures, whose powers are sharply limited by the other branches. And, executive power resides largely in the bureaucracy, the majority of whom never change their seats no matter who is President.

While I agree for the most part about the President's power to control the economy, he does set the stage for developement of policy and is partially responsible for that.

It terms of money changing hands on Wall Street verses the budget you are correct, however on balance, the Gov. is the single biggest line item on the national GDP by nearly 100 times. As far as I'm concerned this is a major problem. With the Gov. in control of nearly 1/2 of the GDP it holds far more power than I'm comfortable with. True, Bush is hardly responsible for that current situation, but can you imagine what would happen to this countries with really bad fiscal decision making in Washington? Right now we are talking about a few percentage points up or down and people are complaning. Even Clinton and the Dems. in congress are not a completely irresponsible, even if they are far less so than I would prefer.

Yes, because cutting taxes is the best way to reduce a record budget deficit.
You studied economics at the same place Bush did, huh?

It worked for Clinton who inherited the effects of Reganomics and claimed the results as his own.

The amount of money controlled and consumed by the government is a by-product of our voting it to a bureaucracy over time.

Whether you're spending it on weapons or welfare, 90% of it gets used up by desk jockeys in Washington, or lining the pockets of companies who get government contracts to do everything from running midnight basketball programs to building stealth bombers.

The bureaucracy is too large and complicated to be addressed by Gingrichisms such as "we need to reduce the size of the bureaucracy" or by other -isms that would have us reorganize the government in some fashion.

At this point, it all strikes me as the equivalent of rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

The amount of money controlled and consumed by the government is a by-product of our voting it to a bureaucracy over time.

Whether you're spending it on weapons or welfare, 90% of it gets used up by desk jockeys in Washington, or lining the pockets of companies who get government contracts to do everything from running midnight basketball programs to building stealth bombers.

The bureaucracy is too large and complicated to be addressed by Gingrichisms such as "we need to reduce the size of the bureaucracy" or by other -isms that would have us reorganize the government in some fashion.

At this point, it all strikes me as the equivalent of rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

Sad but true. I don't know that much can be done about it though. We the People don't really have much power to change it.

Sad but true. I don't know that much can be done about it though. We the People don't really have much power to change it.

Well, if you look at the SCOTUS decision from the mid 1990s that invalidated the entire premise of the Clean Air Act, you'll realize that they were saying that anything not related to commerce or defense is basically an invalid law. Congress evidently was never empowered to create the EPA, or DHHS, or most of the government bureaucracy. So says SCOTUS.

People are "voluntarily" complying with the Clean Air Act (for nearly eight years now) as it is considered "unenforceable". Still, EPA employees go to their desks everyday as if nothing has changed.

It's taken on a life of its own - outside the Constitution - outside the Senate and House - outside the Presidency - and the Supreme Court couldn't shut it down.

And people want to blame whoever was President? Pardon me while I shit myself laughing so hard...

:headbang: HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA they hate us because we do not follow their religon we are infidels and thus are not worthy to live as it states in the koran, (various interpretations anyways) and palestinians have been car bombing, suicide bombing and killing isrealis just as fervently as the isrealis have been killing them so what our problem is we stated at the begining that we were their allies and we have stuck to it, and that makes it ok to fly planes full of innocents into buildings just cause they are mad over palistenians what ever. terror can only be fought with overwhelming force or more terror, i vote for overwhelming force cause only a pussy coward uses terror to get his way.
or ppl with NO options left...
And those interpretations arose from ppl who needed to find a way to get ppl to hate us, and since religion is held in all aspects in the middle east, they warped their religion to do so. I have a very good friend who until 2 years ago lived in United Arab Emmerates, and before then Pakistan who can testify to what I say. I also have an aunt who spent six months in Israel w/ a palestine family and 6 months w/ an Israeli family and wrote a book called Conflicy: Set adrift in a land called holy who will ALSO testify to what I say, as well as Peggy Gish who recently returned from relief efforts inIRAQ and AFGHANISTAN. All of us share this same view, as well as people from the middle east. I think I have a slightly better advantage in first hand knowlege than you do. You most likely have knowlege that has gone through the government, or through the media, and is warped and not completely true, whereas my opinions were formed by first hand ppl who have seen and lived the opinions that I tell you.

Yes, because cutting taxes is the best way to reduce a record budget deficit.
You studied economics at the same place Bush did, huh?
What? Bush STUDIED economics?
Or his father 'donated' a wing to his college?

It worked for Clinton who inherited the effects of Reganomics and claimed the results as his own.

Care to explain why Republican financial decisions take 8-12 years to have a good effect, but Democratic policies only 4-8 years to force Bush to spend more than any other president and produce a massive deficit?

Well, he tried to swallow pretzels whole and not wash them down with a beer. That was a great decision considering he almost choked to death.

Well, he tried to swallow pretzels whole and not wash them down with a beer. That was a great decision considering he almost choked to death.
Not so much. Think of who would replace Dubya.

Care to explain why Republican financial decisions take 8-12 years to have a good effect, but Democratic policies only 4-8 years to force Bush to spend more than any other president and produce a massive deficit?


Umm..example?

Because Clinton's policies had little to do with why the economy boomed. The new technology sector is the reason why the US economy boomed. And that bubble burst back in 2000. Or did all you folks naively believe that the US economy would remain going strong for such an indefinate period of time...sigh..

Ah, but aren't Democrats the upholders of the idea of affirmative action? The very people who make me choose from one of seven race categories to put myself in? Better step up and defend affirmative action if you're a Democrat. Or has the Democratic Party finally abandoned the idiotic idea that people should be categorized by "race"?

There are factions within the Democratic Party just as there are in the Republican Party. I am a Conservative Democrat. I am Conservative on moral issues, except I go one step further and don't agree with the death penalty either. I am more liberal on social issues like welfare, and nationalized programs. I think helping the poor is a good thing, and tax cuts aren't doing anyone any good now. My foreign policy is based on morals. I don't believe killing people simply because you think one man *might* be a threat is right. Especially when you have to lie to try and *prove* it.

Umm..example?

Because Clinton's policies had little to do with why the economy boomed. The new technology sector is the reason why the US economy boomed. And that bubble burst back in 2000. Or did all you folks naively believe that the US economy would remain going strong for such an indefinate period of time...sigh..

Which has what to do with the fact that people claim everything good during Clinton's term came from Reagan?

Bush didn't get his dick sucked by an intern and then lie about it. Good decision there.

No, good decision by all the female interns, for choosing not to seduce a monkey.

Which has what to do with the fact that people claim everything good during Clinton's term came from Reagan?

Red herring alert..what the heck are you talking about? I didnt mention Reagan, I just said Clinton didnt do a thing for the economy. I just offered an example of what did.

One good decision...
Having a racially diverse cabinet.
How's that?

He went to war in Iraq, that was the best decision in the last 10 years of this country.

That was good how?

One good decision...
Having a racially diverse cabinet.
How's that?

That half of is resigning after the relization that being part of that administration is a spot on their reputation. The only person worth having in office in this administration (Powell) is resigning. Along with several others.

Red herring alert..what the heck are you talking about? I didnt mention Reagan, I just said Clinton didnt do a thing for the economy. I just offered an example of what did.

If you are going to reply to my posts, you might want to check what they were in reply to.

My post was in reply to someone who stated that Clinton "inherited" the good from Reaganomics but that Clinton's policies are the reason that Bush is having trouble.

One good decision...
Having a racially diverse cabinet.
How's that?

Racially diverse is great.

Actually having a *good* cabinet would be better.

Having a *good*, racially diverse cabinet would be great.

Name one organization he "cracked down" on, seems hes been in Iraq, doing nothing, the only terrorist there now are the ones who moved there after BUSH left the country in shatters. The Patriot act! Youre kidding right? WHo gives a flying FUCKL about the military? If you have a strong military youre more likely to attack thats bad, Bush has done nothing about airlines and...

THATS NOT HIS FUCKING DECISION THOSE ARE PRIVATE COMPANYS!!!

Its nice to know that at least one of us would be fine with getting taken over by any other country in the world, because, as he so eloquently states "who gives a flying FUCKL about the military?" Ill tell you who does, anyone with an ounce of sense. And anyone who doesnt is a fricking moron. Do you honestly think that it would be better if we had a weak military? Do you realize that you sound like a complete idiot? Grow up from your little liberal dreams of the whole world being happy together, because it doesnt work like that. sorry to burst your bubble, but like 9/11 showed, there are people out there who are perfectly willing to hurt us given the opportunity. That means you and your family too. So yeah, lets just say screw the military, and then when enemy troops show up on your doorstep, we'll just let you take care of them, because you sound like such a tough guy anyway.
Maybe you wouldnt hate the patriot act so much if you werent anti-american. I still cant believe you said to fuckl the military. the full extent of the stupidity of that statement still hasnt set in yet. :sniper: i hope you go first when we get taken over because of the lack of military strength...

Kyoto initiative - let's see how YOU like New York being flooded and the droughts becoming worse in Africa. Or have you been fooled by the corporations that global warming is all fake?
*turns off Liskeinland's TV* No more leftist, though good if you ignore their political message, movies for you.

On the question of whether President George W. Bush did anything to help the United States since he was appointed by the U.S. Supreme Court or when the computerized voting machines were fixed so that he retained power, I am going to have to say there is nothing that he did to help us.

His brother, Jeb Bush, is the governor of the state where I was born and where I live. Jeb decided the people of this state did not know what they were doing when they voted to put a high-speed rail system between Tampa and Orlando (and then to other parts of the state). So, he put the question on the ballot again. This time, however, the machines were fixed to vote as Jeb wanted.

Jeb's next job is to overturn the voters' demand for fewer students per teacher. In other words, Jeb thinks 40 students are not so many for one student. Therefore, he will overturn that choice by the people of Florida.

Bush. Yuk!

Whoops. That should have read 40 students for 1 teacher.

On the question of whether President George W. Bush did anything to help the United States since he was appointed by the U.S. Supreme Court or when the computerized voting machines were fixed so that he retained power, I am going to have to say there is nothing that he did to help us.

His brother, Jeb Bush, is the governor of the state where I was born and where I live. Jeb decided the people of this state did not know what they were doing when they voted to put a high-speed rail system between Tampa and Orlando (and then to other parts of the state). So, he put the question on the ballot again. This time, however, the machines were fixed to vote as Jeb wanted.

Jeb's next job is to overturn the voters' demand for fewer students per teacher. In other words, Jeb thinks 40 students are not so many for one student. Therefore, he will overturn that choice by the people of Florida.

Bush. Yuk!

I keep hearing conspiracy theories, but no evidence. I remember when Clinton was President, you heard all kinds of conspiracy theories from Republicans, and now that Bush is President, I hear all kinds of conspiracy theories from Democrats.

I find it much more likely that a certain number of people turn out who vote for <fill in the blank> for stupid or inane reasons than a massive computer fraud.

Software isn't that reliable that you can do something like that. And then get away with it?

I live in Phlooriduh, and Jeff-O-Matica is correct. Granted, I don't believe the machines were responsible for it. I voted, and the wording was so ass-backwards, all but a big time lawyer would have been confused. Jeb pushed the high speed rail on us. He said it would be quick, cheap transportation. It was voted in with little opposition. Then he hired government contractors who wanted an outrageous amount of money (I believe it was 30 billion just to start, and that wasn't even going to connect 2 cities). He turns around and puts it up on the vote again. Then it was overwhelmingly approved to kill the high-speed rail plan.
As for the "No child BS" law he put on the ballot. As everyone knows, the south, particularly Florida, is far behind modern educational standards. Quote from http://www.floridacdc.org/infofax/020204.htm:
"#49 in Public High School Graduation Rate (51.7%), 2000. Florida ranked 48th in 1990 (61.5%)" We also pay teachers piss for a salary. $25,000 a year sucks. most of the teachers work a second job at Walmart to make ends meet. Making a teaching job in Florida a liability. "look kids, if you go to an expensive college, get a degree, you can become a teacher and work part time with your students too!" Then Jeb thought it would cost too much too. So, that's basically being cancelled too.

Software isn't that reliable that you can do something like that. And then get away with it?

For the record, my boyfriend worked for the GA Senate and had access to one of the machines. Hitting the card with a little ESD not only erased all info already on it, but also gave him full administrative access to the computer. You'd be surprised what you could do, especially since most of the states refused to institute a paper trail.

If you erase all the information on a computer with ESD, it won't boot up anymore. Using ESD devices does not bypass software security. And even if you bypass one layer of security, the layers in most software systems are multiple.

If we had a large scale voting application that stored the data in a database like Oracle, there would be innumerable layers. And if you did enough damage to the storage drives to cause data erasure, you would have nothing left to edit, and any application that tried to read data (such as to count the vote) would not work.

Sorry, I do that sort of work for a living now, for accounting firms that are afraid of data tampering and data destruction.

Just looking at a data record gets an audit trail written in another location on another machine, usually without the knowledge of the person doing the reading. We know who looked at or modified data, when they did it down to the millisecond, and what they saw or modified, and what it was before they modified it.

Sorry, I don't buy it.

Care to explain why Republican financial decisions take 8-12 years to have a good effect, but Democratic policies only 4-8 years to force Bush to spend more than any other president and produce a massive deficit?

Bush's spend, minus the war would be fine. I don't agree with being in Iraq, but we had to go after Osama in Afganistan. I hold him partially responsible for the current deficite, but he did inherit a poor economy from Clinton and he certainly didn't ask for 9/11. His fiscal policy isn't he problem, its his current foriegn policy that concerns me, though there isn't much that can be done about it now.

Bush's spend, minus the war would be fine. I don't agree with being in Iraq, but we had to go after Osama in Afganistan. I hold him partially responsible for the current deficite, but he did inherit a poor economy from Clinton and he certainly didn't ask for 9/11. His fiscal policy isn't he problem, its his current foriegn policy that concerns me, though there isn't much that can be done about it now.

...which doesn't answer my question.

And how is "cut taxes but spend lots, lots, lots more" ever good fiscal policy?

If you erase all the information on a computer with ESD, it won't boot up anymore. Using ESD devices does not bypass software security. And even if you bypass one layer of security, the layers in most software systems are multiple.

We aren't talking about the info on a computer. We are talking about the info on a voting card.

If we had a large scale voting application that stored the data in a database like Oracle, there would be innumerable layers. And if you did enough damage to the storage drives to cause data erasure, you would have nothing left to edit, and any application that tried to read data (such as to count the vote) would not work.

See above.

Sorry, I do that sort of work for a living now, for accounting firms that are afraid of data tampering and data destruction.

But you apparently have no idea how the voting machine works.

Sorry, I don't buy it.

Considering that you don't even know where the data is stored in an electronic voting system, I'm not exactly going to count you as an expert.

...which doesn't answer my question.

And how is "cut taxes but spend lots, lots, lots more" ever good fiscal policy?

Minus the war he hasn't spent "lots, lots, lots more". The poor economy, as a result of 8 years without supply side economics and the financial burden and social impact of 9/11 have significantly hurt the economy. When the economy isn't producing it hurts revenues. Good enough?

We aren't talking about the info on a computer. We are talking about the info on a voting card.



See above.



But you apparently have no idea how the voting machine works.



Considering that you don't even know where the data is stored in an electronic voting system, I'm not exactly going to count you as an expert.

The voting machines in my district are connected to a central database, not a voting card. The card merely gives you one-time access to vote. And if your card presents itself as someone who isn't already in the voter database, you're not voting.

Minus the war he hasn't spent "lots, lots, lots more". The poor economy, as a result of 8 years without supply side economics and the financial burden and social impact of 9/11 have significantly hurt the economy. When the economy isn't producing it hurts revenues. Good enough?

Really? You do realize that Bush has *never* vetoed a spending bill - the first such president?

And yes, Bush has spent much more - all the while trying to bring in less income.

Hmmm... lets see

Trying to remove the Kyoto Initiave
Upgrading security on airlines
Cracking down on terrorist organizations and terrorist harboring nations
Patriot act
Reparing the damage that Clinton did to the military

Thank God Bush has a webpage so people no longer have to think for themselves.

The voting machines in my district are connected to a central database, not a voting card. The card merely gives you one-time access to vote. And if your card presents itself as someone who isn't already in the voter database, you're not voting.

On Diebold voting machines (the ones that most people use), there is a card on which the votes are stored (the one they hand you when you walk up). It was this card that my boyfriend hit with ESD, erasing the data *on the card*.

When he then inserted it into the machine, the program could not access it, and defaulted to an administrator screen.

No, I'm not inclined to believe Fox News. Or NPR, or any of them.

Just Bush and only Bush, he is the voice of God. :rolleyes:

Just Bush and only Bush, he is the voice of God. :rolleyes:

And why would I believe him?

Really? You do realize that Bush has *never* vetoed a spending bill - the first such president?

And yes, Bush has spent much more - all the while trying to bring in less income.

The problem is that each spending bill has a direct connection to his capacity to carry on his war. Is he being short-sighted about that, yes and at our expense. I'm not particularly happy about that. It'd be a little better if there was a line item veto, but there just isn't enough support to get that passed. So, this is what we're stuck with. A combination of problems some of which he's responsible for and some he is not. If you think Kerry was the solution you're mistaken. The mess would get even bigger.

And why would I believe him?


I don't know the first thing about you, but could it be because you're an idiot?

:fluffle:

I give up. Why in good god damn would you believe him?

I don't know the first thing about you, but could it be because you're an idiot?

:fluffle:

I give up. Why in good god damn would you believe him?

Someone thinks I believe Bush!

Astonishing!

I killed in Iraq because I like it, not because I hate Muslims or believe Bush. It's because it's an acceptable reason here in the States.

I voted for him because I didn't like Kerry, and Nader is an idiot.

I'm a drug user, bisexual, non-white, formerly Jewish agnostic who is married with children. I used to kill people for a living and performed recreational autopsies, but now I'm just a software developer.

How does that make me believe in Bush?

One good decision...
Having a racially diverse cabinet.
How's that?

Bush found black people that want to be like white, bourgeois americans. It may be racially diverse, but it is NOT culturally diverse. They are all the same white-washing, willfully ignorant, insipid...

Someone thinks I believe Bush!

I killed in Iraq because I like it

Astonishing?
No, I knew there had to be a good reason why you are an idiot.

Astonishing?
No, I knew there had to be a good reason why you are an idiot.

I'm not an idiot. I'm honest, which is more than most people can say.

God or no God, Bush or no Bush, you are an idiot.

:sniper:
Please, kill yourself.

God or no God, Bush or no Bush, you are an idiot.

:sniper:
Please, kill yourself.

Can't. I'm not ashamed of anything I've done. And I'm the promoter of individual self-freedom for myself.

God or no God, Bush or no Bush, you are an idiot.

:sniper:
Please, kill yourself.
Now now, no need to kill people you disagree with.
If he wasn't there there would be no one to debate with.

The problem is that each spending bill has a direct connection to his capacity to carry on his war.

Which has nothing to do with not vetoing something that had a lot extra tacked on. Do you honestly think that Congress would fail to push something else through?

If you think Kerry was the solution you're mistaken. The mess would get even bigger.

Considering the sheer number of problems I have with Bush, I think Mickey Mouse would make a better president, not that *any* of the corrupt politicians out there really will do well at the job.

Bush is a MP, they all should die cos they go :fluffle: they're secuterys and lie about it, they all speak out of ther behind andtheres no point in them, u might aswel :sniper: :mp5: :gundge: them, they are stupid idiots. democracy, nowadays, is corrupt and it might aswel be monarchy, atleast that way theeres no chance of corruption! its corrupt i tell u :mad:

Which has nothing to do with not vetoing something that had a lot extra tacked on. Do you honestly think that Congress would fail to push something else through?



Considering the sheer number of problems I have with Bush, I think Mickey Mouse would make a better president, not that *any* of the corrupt politicians out there really will do well at the job.

And you think that we would already be out of Iraq if Kerry had won?

Don't make me laugh!

Or that he could change the economy overnight?

Or that other nations would suddenly help us in Iraq after they publicly announced that if Kerry were President they absolutely would not?

Or that Bin Laden would be caught and the rest of the Islamists would never again attack the US (i.e., Kerry saying that capturing Bin Laden would end the war on terror).

Too comical for words!

Not saying Bush is doing any better, but how, exactly, would the Democrats perform these miracles? Is Chelsea Clinton going to give virgin birth to the next Savior?

Considering the sheer number of problems I have with Bush, I think Mickey Mouse would make a better president, not that *any* of the corrupt politicians out there really will do well at the job.




Very well said Dempublicants, it is the truth, FIGHT THE POWER AND DOWN WITH CORRUPt GOVERMENT, UP WITH MONARCHY OR NO MORE BRIBARY AND SECUTERY :fluffle: DEATH TO POLITICIONS! :sniper: :mp5: :gundge: :headbang:

And you think that we would already be out of Iraq if Kerry had won?

No. But I don't think we'd still have Bush yelling "Everything is great!! We're making sooooo much progress!! Everyone in Iraq loves us, except those nasty Saddam-loving insurgents!!!" when it is obviously not true.

Or that he could change the economy overnight?

No, no one can change the economy overnight. But at least Kerry, who worked for a balanced budget while in Congress, would veto a bill with insane pork-barrel spending and random bullshit laws tacked on.

Or that other nations would suddenly help us in Iraq after they publicly announced that if Kerry were President they absolutely would not?

Nope. But those that didn't make such an announcement might be more inclined.

Or that Bin Laden would be caught and the rest of the Islamists would never again attack the US (i.e., Kerry saying that capturing Bin Laden would end the war on terror).

Kerry never said any such thing.

You choose things that Bush has already completely screwed up. None of them are going to be fixed overnight. However, when things are going badly, keeping the same bullshit leader who caused half of it who will continue using the exact same tactics regardless of their effectiveness is the *worst* thing you could do.

No. But I don't think we'd still have Bush yelling "Everything is great!! We're making sooooo much progress!! Everyone in Iraq loves us, except those nasty Saddam-loving insurgents!!!" when it is obviously not true.



No, no one can change the economy overnight. But at least Kerry, who worked for a balanced budget while in Congress, would veto a bill with insane pork-barrel spending and random bullshit laws tacked on.



Nope. But those that didn't make such an announcement might be more inclined.



Kerry never said any such thing.

You choose things that Bush has already completely screwed up. None of them are going to be fixed overnight. However, when things are going badly, keeping the same bullshit leader who caused half of it who will continue using the exact same tactics regardless of their effectiveness is the *worst* thing you could do.


France, Germany, and Russia said the day after Kerry announced that he would be able to bring them in that they absolutely would not.

I don't think it matters who is President at this point.

Each of them was a Yale graduate, party boy, member of Skull and Bones, rich man who had no real connection to ordinary people.

I remember attending a Kerry rally where he said that if were President, Al Qaeda would never again attack the United States.

Both of them are buffoons.

Both of them are buffoons.

Better a new buffoon still beholden to the people, than an old one who has already done damage and feels that everything he does is mandated by the American people and God. Better one willing to uphold the Constitution than one who wishes to shit on it.

God or no God, Bush or no Bush, you are an idiot.

:sniper:
Please, kill yourself.

Am I an idiot too? Should I kill myself? Should Bush kill himself? Maybe every republican should kill themselves, and you would be a lot happier, would you? :rolleyes:

Better a new buffoon still beholden to the people, than an old one who has already done damage and feels that everything he does is mandated by the American people and God. Better one willing to uphold the Constitution than one who wishes to shit on it.

Well, I recall a previous Democratic president believing that he had a "mandate" even though he had only a plurality, not a majority of Americans behind him. The God part is right, since Kerry doesn't really believe in God, other than to go to church for campaign photo ops.

And as for upholding the Constitution - I would take uphold to mean that we won't remove or add any amendments. Guess who wants to remove the Second Amendment? Is that upholding the Constitution?

Still, I'm waiting for Bush to remove the 1st and 4th. So maybe two amendments would be twice as bad.

But if you feel free to remove any of them, the rest won't be far behind.

Bush is a MP, they all should die cos they go :fluffle: they're secuterys and lie about it, they all speak out of ther behind andtheres no point in them, u might aswel :sniper: :mp5: :gundge: them, they are stupid idiots. democracy, nowadays, is corrupt and it might aswel be monarchy, atleast that way theeres no chance of corruption! its corrupt i tell u :mad:

I agree, This is the proplem with democracy, lot's of stupid libreles, And lots of stupid corruption.

Well, I recall a previous Democratic president believing that he had a "mandate" even though he had only a plurality, not a majority of Americans behind him.

And I would argue against that as well. Any president who does not win by a complete landslide has no right to claim a "mandate," especially not one which is so hotly contested.

The God part is right, since Kerry doesn't really believe in God, other than to go to church for campaign photo ops.

Yes, and I'm sure you've talked to him about this...

And as for upholding the Constitution - I would take uphold to mean that we won't remove or add any amendments. Guess who wants to remove the Second Amendment? Is that upholding the Constitution?

No, the Constitution was made to be amended. I meant upholding the Amendments we already have (which Bush does not do - ie. the 1st maybe?) and not adding ones which are counter to the entire purpose of this country (ie. institutionalized discrimination). And I have never seen *any* candidate claim that he wanted to remove the 2nd Amendment.

I don't count Afghanistan, because 911 could be considered a provocation...

Provocation how?

Provocation how?

Hmm. Well, if you don't consider 9-11 to be a provocation, then what would be?

Hiroshima?

Bush didn't get his dick sucked by an intern and then lie about it. Good decision there.

Hmmm. I always considered getting my dick sucked by a intern a good idea...

Clinton did it.
Dwight D. Eisenhower did it.
Hundreds of managers around the globe did it.

Sounds like a good idea, doesn´t it. I mean, getting you dick sucked and all...

It's very common for Republicans to attack personally.

Hmmm. I always considered getting my dick sucked by a intern a good idea...

Clinton did it.
Dwight D. Eisenhower did it.
Hundreds of managers around the globe did it.

Sounds like a good idea, doesn´t it. I mean, getting you dick sucked and all...

It's part two that bothers people. The lying. I've f**ked people in the a**. Who cares? But I don't lie about it either.

Iraq - terrorist harbouring? Osama hated Saddam. There are terrorists in America - let's bomb it!


Kyoto initiative - let's see how YOU like New York being flooded and the droughts becoming worse in Africa. Or have you been fooled by the corporations that global warming is all fake?

oh i forgot that we didn't go to some type of war with iraq for the last 3 presidents, lets just leave saddam in power.. good idea..

Provocation how?
Afghanistan was protecting Osama Bin Laden and his Al Quaeda pals. They refused to turn them over for trial. When Pakistan tried to tell them what would happen if they didn't comply with the US' demands the Taliban told them "They problem with you people is that you have never won a war. On the other hand we have never lost one". Since the Taliban wanted to protect Bin Laden, we were forced to go in and kick some ass. Unfortunately, Bush pulled troops and resources out of Afghanistan to fight Saddam and so we didn't keep up the search for Bin Laden like we should have.

C´mon. What was he supposed to say in your opinon?

Yes, it was great and I wish she´d be sucking my dick right now?

Get real.

C´mon. What was he supposed to say in your opinon?

Yes, it was great and I wish she´d be sucking my dick right now?

Get real.

Yes, that's absolutely what he should have said, or:

"You know, it's none of anybody's business who I'm having sex with, but I'll indulge your rude curiosity this once. Yes, I had her suck my dick, and I f**ked her with a cigar. Is that too much information for you? Next question!"

Everyone knows that all of the hurricanes in the US this year was from Bush vacuuming the money out of the pockets of poor people and putting it into rich people's Swiss bank accounts.

Also, he was the second gunman on the grassy knoll. He likes to kill Democrats AND Muslims.

And he once giggled when he ran over a little girl's puppy while she watched.

Sorry, I'm just bored with the usual arguements on how he's evil being repeated thousands of times, I figured I should be semicreative

Everyone knows that all of the hurricanes in the US this year was from Bush vacuuming the money out of the pockets of poor people and putting it into rich people's Swiss bank accounts.

Also, he was the second gunman on the grassy knoll. He likes to kill Democrats AND Muslims.

And he once giggled when he ran over a little girl's puppy while she watched.

Sorry, I'm just bored with the usual arguements on how he's evil being repeated thousands of times, I figured I should be semicreative

You forgot that he used to pull the hair of girls when he was in grade school.

Unlike the majority of Yale students, who we all know are complete teetotalers, he drank beer.

He had premarital sex, unlike the rest of us, and there are probably a lot of little Bushes out there that we don't know about.

He's involved in that drug ring in Mena, Arkansas... oops, sorry, wrong list of bad things and conspiracies...

It's part two that bothers people. The lying. I've f**ked people in the a**. Who cares? But I don't lie about it either.
OMG! XD
That is the largest act of hypocracy in the world. I'm sorry, but Bush has lied about many more thing, and many much more important things.
Don't even ask me to start rattling off the lies and their proof, just go to
525 reasons (http://www.525reasons.com/)

OMG! XD
That is the largest act of hypocracy in the world. I'm sorry, but Bush has lied about many more thing, and many much more important things.
Don't even ask me to start rattling off the lies and their proof, just go to
525 reasons (http://www.525reasons.com/)

Hey Dudley, "I read it on an anti-Bush website, so it must be true!"

Am I an idiot too? Should I kill myself? Should Bush kill himself? Maybe every republican should kill themselves, and you would be a lot happier, would you? :rolleyes:

No, I said this to the man (child?), who went to war because he wanted to kill people, that he should do humanity a good service and kill himself. Nothing would change if all republicans would kill themselves, because another form of Totalitarian State would simply take the reigns.
Besides, I have friends that are Republicans, and they are unfortunately not complete idiots (there goes that excuse).
This trigger happy goon is not a Republican (his own words), yet he is an idiot. His willful ignorance and insipid arrogance beg for parental guidance / assisted suicide (take your pick).
Would I be a lot happier? No.
Would the world be a better place? Probably not.
Would you read an entire string before making coments about something you obviously don't understand? I doubt it. :fluffle:

Now now, no need to kill people you disagree with.
If he wasn't there there would be no one to debate with.

There are many people in the world that I disagree with, but this kid needs to understand that life is not a video game. He claims to kill people in war because he like it, although he probably is not old enough to wipe his own ass. There is no room for debate with this mindlessness.

Hey Dudley, "I read it on an anti-Bush website, so it must be true!"
"Hey Dudley, try clicking on the blue words in the articles, they're called LINKS, and these one's go to reliable sources that have CREDIBLE evidence, unlike someone else..."

Hmmm. I always considered getting my dick sucked by a intern a good idea...

Clinton did it.
Dwight D. Eisenhower did it.
Hundreds of managers around the globe did it.

Sounds like a good idea, doesn´t it. I mean, getting you dick sucked and all...

Im getting my dick sucked right now... ;)
One good thing that bush did for the country was
the no child left behinde act...

who am i kidding he has done shit for the country

who am i kidding he has done shit for the country

He's done a lot of reallly really good shit. Before you insult someone, start researching, bearded.

One good thing that bush did for the country was
the no child left behinde act...
It's "behind". *sigh* Scratch that idea. You were left behind. ;)

He's done a lot of reallly really good shit. Before you insult someone, start researching, bearded.
He may have done some good shit, but he hasn't done anything good for our nation. The quality of shit does not reflect the quality of a president. Bush is a terrorist himself.

If Bush was a terrorist, why would he kill terrorist and terrorist leaders?

If Bush was a terrorist, why would he kill terrorist and terrorist leaders?
when the hell has bush done that?

SRRRRRRRRVD

one good desicion... he decided to run again... and by running again, he won... and by winning it's giving all the whinners, sore loosers, and idiots something to bitch and moan about to keep these forums alive. Thus giving those who upkeep these sites a job and help keep the US and Interational Economy going.

One good thing Bush has done? He banned partial-birth abortion. Hopefully in term 2 he will get rid of the barbaric practice altogether.

when the hell has bush done that?

SRRRRRRRRVD

HAVE YOU WATCHED THE FRIKING NEWS? 75% of all of Al-Qaida has been CAPTURED OR KILLED!!! Saddam and Osama is out of power!!! They were terrorist, and they supported other terrorist. You dumbass. Do you realize how stupid that question was? He killed many terrorist. Do us all a favor, and kill yourself. :mp5: , Well, don't kill yourself, I want to see your response. What does SRRRRRRRRRRVD mean?

HAVE YOU WATCHED THE FRIKING NEWS? 75% of all of Al-Qaida has been CAPTURED OR KILLED!!! Saddam and Osama is out of power!!! They were terrorist, and they supported other terrorist. You dumbass. Do you realize how stupid that question was? He killed many terrorist. Do us all a favor, and kill yourself. :mp5: , Well, don't kill yourself, I want to see your response. What does SRRRRRRRRRRVD mean?

What are you talking about?

Terrorist activity is up! There are more terrorists now than there were four years ago!

srrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrvd means served. Like You Got Served!

Anyway yes I have watched the news, I dont count Fox as being news. Because it is a biest piece of shit! They always say the wrong word. Instead of saying insurgent they say terrorist. HA! As if! I cant trust Fox.

One good thing Bush has done? He banned partial-birth abortion. Hopefully in term 2 he will get rid of the barbaric practice altogether.

Oh yes! Than we will be a nation of over-population, self ruling (by that I mean the kids, if you think they will all be put into an orphanage, or adopted you are an idialist) Good luck with your so called Utopia.

If Bush was a terrorist, why would he kill terrorist and terrorist leaders?

Oh and which Terrorist leader did he kill?

Uh, I don't know, but he captured Saddam!

What are you talking about?

Terrorist activity is up! There are more terrorists now than there were four years ago!

srrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrvd means served. Like You Got Served!

Anyway yes I have watched the news, I dont count Fox as being news. Because it is a biest piece of shit! They always say the wrong word. Instead of saying insurgent they say terrorist. HA! As if! I cant trust Fox.

THAT' BullS**t! Terrorist are just a lot more desparate, NOW THAT ONLY 25% OF AL QAIDA IS STILL AROUND!! The insurgents are terrorist, they don't want democracy in Iraq so they are terrorist!