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I just learned that during the civil war, the south was the first ever to discover that there were germs! I found this fascinating since out of all the nations and all the people in the world that the discovery be made in the south, by southern doctors. I also learned that the south was the first to successfully use submarines in battle. Leonardo Devinci came up with the concept, but he south put it to use in the civil war. These are two things that I thought for sure were made or discovered somewhere in Europe, but I guess I was wrong.

sucessfully submarining was relative

sucessfully submarining was relative

Relative to what?

Relative to what?
It wasn't that successful.

I think it's pretty fuckin' funny that germs were discovered by some of the dirtiest people in the modern world.

I really hope your not refering to the confederate soldiers.

Oh come on..... everyone knows that germs, like everything else, was first found by either Scotland or Wales. There's a book about it! The South is famous due to the fact that there isn't a single gas station Robert E. Lee didn't stay at. :D

Correct me if I'm wrong, but...
Didn't the germ theory of disease come about in the 1700s some time? Weren't germs discovered by van Leeuwenhoek? In Europe, not the Confederacy?
Wasn't the first successful submarine something called the "Turtle" or some such nonsense, used by the Americans against the British in the Revolution?

I just like the thread title.

From the South, yall.

Anyways, we had submarines in the Revolutionary War, sort of.

I think it's pretty fuckin' funny that germs were discovered by some of the dirtiest people in the modern world.
the subintelligence of this post created an intelligence blachole, everyone get out while they still can

I don't know about Confederate doctors, but Ignac Semmelweis, an 19th century Finnish doctor, demonstrated between 1847 and 1862 that physicians and medical students transmitted disease to childbearing mothers after coming from autopsy rooms, carrying infections between patients on their unwashed hands.

His ideas were later validated by the discoveries of Louis Pasteur, a Frenchman, who discovered that germs were a mian cause of disease, and Joseph Lister, a Scottish doctor, who also discovered bacteria might be responsible for surgical infection.

Anyways, we had submarines in the Revolutionary War, sort of.

For anyone interested:

WORLD SUBMARINE HISTORY TIMELINE
1580-2000

http://www.submarine-history.com/NOVAone.htm

I don't know about Confederate doctors, but Ignac Semmelweis, an 19th century Finnish doctor, demonstrated between 1847 and 1862 that physicians and medical students transmitted disease to childbearing mothers after coming from autopsy rooms, carrying infections between patients on their unwashed hands.

His ideas were later validated by the discoveries of Louis Pasteur, a Frenchman, who discovered that germs were a mian cause of disease, and Joseph Lister, a Scottish doctor, who also discovered bacteria might be responsible for surgical infection.

Louis Pasteur was the one that came up with the idea of pasturizing milk, and he got this after the germs were discovered during the civil war.

Louis Pasteur was the one that came up with the idea of pasturizing milk, and he got this after the germs were discovered during the civil war.


Louis Pasteur did a lot more than create pasteurization of milk. He solved the mysteries of rabies, anthrax, chicken cholera, and silkworm diseases, and contributed to the development of the first vaccines. He also developed germ theory, theorizing that if germs were the cause of fermentation, they could just as well be the cause of contagious diseases.

I don't know who this mysterious doctor is from the American south during the Civil War. Why don't you give us a name?

* BTW Anton van Leeuwenhoek, inventor of the microscope, first observed microorganisms in the 1670s. Semmelweis connected germs to surgery infections, Pasteur to disease, and Lister connected Semmelweis' theories to Pasteur's.

I don't know about Confederate doctors, but Ignac Semmelweis, an 19th century Finnish doctor, demonstrated between 1847 and 1862 that physicians and medical students transmitted disease to childbearing mothers after coming from autopsy rooms, carrying infections between patients on their unwashed hands.

His ideas were later validated by the discoveries of Louis Pasteur, a Frenchman, who discovered that germs were a mian cause of disease, and Joseph Lister, a Scottish doctor, who also discovered bacteria might be responsible for surgical infection.

Thank you! Beat me to it! ;)

Louis Pasteur was the one that came up with the idea of pasturizing milk, and he got this after the germs were discovered during the civil war.

Actually he started on it for the question of why wine soured.....

I dont know his name. But the source is pretty reliable, because its from a teacher that has been teaching for over 20 years, and not to mention this is in a college class. But during the civil war, the south discovered germs, and this was why so many people were dieing, because of the unsanitized conditions.

I just learned that during the civil war, the south was the first ever to discover that there were germs! I found this fascinating since out of all the nations and all the people in the world that the discovery be made in the south, by southern doctors. I also learned that the south was the first to successfully use submarines in battle. Leonardo Devinci came up with the concept, but he south put it to use in the civil war. These are two things that I thought for sure were made or discovered somewhere in Europe, but I guess I was wrong.

Actually Germ theory is far old then that.

"Geronimo Fracastorio (an Italian poet and physician, 1483 - 1553) of Verona, published a work (De Contagionibus et Contagiosis Morbis, et eorum Curatione) in Venice in 1546 which contained the first statement of the true nature of contagion, infection, or disease organisms, and of the modes of transmission of infectious disease. He divided diseases into those which infect by immediate contact, through intermediate agents, and at a distance through the air. Organisms which cause disease, called seminaria contagionum, he supposed to be of the nature of viscous or glutinous matter, similar to the colloidal states of substances described by modern physical chemists. These particles, too small to be seen, were capable of reproduction in appropriate media, and became pathogenic through the action of animal heat. Thus Fracastorio, in the middle of the sixteenth century, gave us an outline of morbid processes in terms of microbiology."

From: http://www.sumeria.net/dream/1.html

Finally, you made a claim but you usually need names and sources.....

I dont know his name. But the source is pretty reliable, because its from a teacher that has been teaching for over 20 years, and not to mention this is in a college class. But during the civil war, the south discovered germs, and this was why so many people were dieing, because of the unsanitized conditions.

Oh oh! Now I do need a source. If it is based on soldiers dying of unsanitary conditions. Sorry but that is much older.

The Greeks lost many soldiers because of poor sanitation arrangements. One of the reasons the Romans did so well is because they practiced good sanitation in the field(Latrines, baths and what not).

Sorry but you get the leary eye on this claim.... ;)

I don't think any of these guys were confederates:

van Leeuwenhoek, Anton (1670s)
Semmelweis, Ignaz (1840s)
Pasteur,Louis (1860s)
Lister, Joseph (1860s)
Koch, Robert (1870s)
Iwanowski, Dmitri (1890s)
Fleming, Alexander (1920s)

http://www.mansfield.ohio-state.edu/~sabedon/biol2007.htm#semmelweis

Just out of curiousty why are so many of you apparently convinced that the southerners were hicks and idiots during the civil war.
By the way I come from Georgia.

Just out of curiousty why are so many of you apparently convinced that the southerners were hicks and idiots during the civil war.
By the way I come from Georgia.

Inbreeding my boy!

Come on now. Only one troll post. That is hardly everybody! ;)

Oh oh! Now I do need a source. If it is based on soldiers dying of unsanitary conditions. Sorry but that is much older.

The Greeks lost many soldiers because of poor sanitation arrangements. One of the reasons the Romans did so well is because they practiced good sanitation in the field(Latrines, baths and what not).

Sorry but you get the leary eye on this claim.... ;)

I'm talking about unsanitary conditions as in doctors not washing their hands and stuff like that. Like working on one person, then going to the next carrying blood from another person.

Inbreeding my boy!

Come on now. Only one troll post. That is hardly everybody! ;)

That only happened in West Virgina and Kentucky, both of which sided with the North in the civil war, which turns the table to yall being the inbreeding.

I'm talking about unsanitary conditions as in doctors not washing their hands and stuff like that. Like working on one person, then going to the next carrying blood from another person.

Ahh but if you see from my other post. Germ theory is far older then that.....

That only happened in West Virgina and Kentucky, both of which sided with the North in the civil war, which turns the table to yall being the inbreeding.

Oh I don't know about that. I been all over this country and there are some rather "interesting" people in the back woods and swamp areas of the South! ;)

As to Kentucky! No comment. Got Relatives there! :eek:

Just out of curiousty why are so many of you apparently convinced that the southerners were hicks and idiots during the civil war.
By the way I come from Georgia.

A tad sensitive aren't you? By my count there has been exactly one idiot posting an anti-southern comment (Eridanus). Everyone else has been talking about historical accuracy and discussing factual events. It is no slam on the southern states that they didn't know about germ theory - the northern states didn't know either.

Oh I don't know about that. I been all over this country and there are some rather "interesting" people in the back woods and swamp areas of the South! ;)

As to Kentucky! No comment. Got Relatives there! :eek:

There are "interesting" people everywhere.

I'm talking about unsanitary conditions as in doctors not washing their hands and stuff like that. Like working on one person, then going to the next carrying blood from another person.

ignaz semmelweis scientifically showed that some sort of tiny particle that spread by not washing between trips to the morgue and examining patients was the cause of at least one kind of disease in 1847.

Too bad southerners still haven't discovered that inbreeding it a bad idea...

You goddamn yanks need to get over that superiority complex, and and this is coming from a liberal, and somehow I manage to avoid cheap shots at peoples intelligence, and just cheap shots in general. So try to be polite, civil, or at least respectful.

You goddamn yanks need to get over that superiority complex, and and this is coming from a liberal, and somehow I manage to avoid cheap shots at peoples intelligence, and just cheap shots in general. So try to be polite, civil, or at least respectful.

Awww there there nitten.

You shouldn't let it get to you.....