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The only way to get Republicans to stop saying "Liberal" is to accept it, first of all being a liberal is not a bad thing, thats like A communist country saying well.. your a... DEMOCRACY!!! I mean, its just stupid. People used to insult homosexuals by calling them queers, than the so called "queers" started calling themselves that and than it wasnt an insult, so the only way to get Republicans to stop saying, damn Liberals, is to adress oursleves as Liberals, be proud, tag ourselves as Liberals and say it in the good context, because it really is a good thing, no matter what Bill O'Reilly says, seriously who cares, that guy is being sued for talking to a woman on the phone and masturbating off the sound of her voice, I mean, eewwwww!

That was incoherent. Thank you.

How long before someone makes a spoof thread called "The only way to get Democrats to stop saying 'Conservative'..."?

We can start rap groups like L.W.A., Liberals With Attitudes.....

how to get middle easterners to stop calling us americans...

what a stupid thread, you are what you are

How long before someone makes a spoof thread called "The only way to get Democrats to stop saying 'Conservative'..."?
The difference being that liberals have not been anywhere near as successful in demonizing that word. The best example is-during the primaries on Meet the Press the democratic candidates where asked if they where liberal and they all shied away. You don't see the conservatives backing off being conservative, or commentators commenting on a canidates "Conservatism." I have never heard anyones rating as "First most conservative senator..."

The difference being that liberals have not been anywhere near as successful in demonizing that word. The best example is-during the primaries on Meet the Press the democratic candidates where asked if they where liberal and they all shied away. You don't see the conservatives backing off being conservative, or commentators commenting on a canidates "Conservatism." I have never heard anyones rating as "First most conservative senator..."
thats because liberals have always been more radical than conservatives, so naturally the word will be used in a different fashion.

The difference being that liberals have not been anywhere near as successful in demonizing that word. The best example is-during the primaries on Meet the Press the democratic candidates where asked if they where liberal and they all shied away. You don't see the conservatives backing off being conservative, or commentators commenting on a canidates "Conservatism." I have never heard anyones rating as "First most conservative senator..."

Chuck Hagel.

I hear you guys are calling yourselves "progressives" nowadays.

"Look, Mom, I'm a real Communist now!"

"That's nice, dear. You still can't have a Gulag for Christmas."

"But Ma, the peasants are revolting and the Ukranians want a democracy! I gotta have something to keep 'em in line!"

You guys have to remember that when the Soviets called you "progressive", they were being sarcastic.

Well there are five steps to get conservatives to stop saying liberal:

Round them up and take them into a field

Have them dig a biiiiiig long deep trench

line them up next to it.

Have the other half of the country stand behind them

Shoot them all in the head.

You could always form a conservative party called the "Liberal Party". The confusion would get rid of any conservative angst against the word.




Hey, it worked in Australia.

Well there are five steps to get conservatives to stop saying liberal:

Round them up and take them into a field

Have them dig a biiiiiig long deep trench

line them up next to it.

Have the other half of the country stand behind them

Shoot them all in the head.
what happened to gun control

Well there are five steps to get conservatives to stop saying liberal:

Round them up and take them into a field

Have them dig a biiiiiig long deep trench

line them up next to it.

Have the other half of the country stand behind them

Shoot them all in the head.

Except libera... I'm sorry, "usefull idiots" (another Soviet euphemism for you people) are typically for gun control. In other words, WE have all the guns.

:P

You could always form a conservative party called the "Liberal Party". The confusion would get rid of any conservative angst against the word.




Hey, it worked in Australia.

LOL

Except libera... I'm sorry, "usefull idiots" (another Soviet euphemism for you people) are typically for gun control. In other words, WE have all the guns.

:P


We'd bury all your tax refunds.

Eh? Ypou mean bury us IN tax refunds?

That makes even less sense than your first post.

Non, non garcon.

We will take all of your tax refunds and bury them in the ground so you will drop everything and scramble to dig them back up.

then, when you've dug a nice trench, pow pow pow and its a decent country !

Lordy, i thought the cold war ended in 1990. Lo and behold however on the other side of the atlantic you are still using thre tag of communist to slag each other off. I congratulate you on your grasp of current politcal trends and theora...

The difference being that liberals have not been anywhere near as successful in demonizing that word. The best example is-during the primaries on Meet the Press the democratic candidates where asked if they where liberal and they all shied away. You don't see the conservatives backing off being conservative, or commentators commenting on a canidates "Conservatism." I have never heard anyones rating as "First most conservative senator..."

Not in the mainstream, no. In the environment I find myself in on a daily basis, however, I'd argue that they've been even more successful. The truth is that both sides have attempted this kind of demonization, but the Republicans are just better at it.

Edit: Now that I think about it, "neocon" may be a better equivalent of "liberal" in the Democratic lexicon.

Non, non garcon.

We will take all of your tax refunds and bury them in the ground so you will drop everything and scramble to dig them back up.

then, when you've dug a nice trench, pow pow pow and its a decent country !

...and then the rest of us get to dig out the cold, dead bodies and grab the tax refunds for ourselves?

Non, non garcon.

We will take all of your tax refunds and bury them in the ground so you will drop everything and scramble to dig them back up.

then, when you've dug a nice trench, pow pow pow and its a decent country !


Er... you still haven't told us were you are going to get the fire-power to bump us (conservatives) off. As I've pointed out, liberals are typicaly for gun control.

Are you going to invite your friends the terrorists to do the job for you? I hear they are well armed.

Also, even if you do try something like this, many conservatives are heavily armed :sniper: . So add that to the equation.

Trying to help.

And, Minion, the Cold War did not "end". The Cold War was "won". By us. Booyah.

Er... you still haven't told us were you are going to get the fire-power to bump us (conservatives) off. As I've pointed out, liberals are typicaly for gun control.

Are you going to invite your friends the terrorists to do the job for you? I hear they are well armed.

Also, even if you do try something like this, many conservatives are heavily armed :sniper: . So add that to the equation.

Trying to help.

And, Minion, the Cold War did not "end". The Cold War was "won". By us. Booyah.


I'm a liberal and i've got a couple guns, so your loony stereotype isnt terrrrrrribly relevant.

And in any case, true conservatives cant be weighed down by heavy guns when there is a tax refund to be rummaged around for in the dirt.

Yeah. Well, good luck on your plan for world domination.

AHEM, being a "liberal" is quite good. On the other hand, being a "Liberal" is quite bad. "Liberal" is associated with the far theft wing of the Democratic party. "liberal" is not.

You are talking about "Classical Liberals". The people most associated (IMHO) with the tenets of Classical Liberalism are... neoconservatives. Many of whom vote for the Republican Party (even if we only agree with them about half the time).

You are talking about "Classical Liberals". The people most associated (IMHO) with the tenets of Classical Liberalism are... neoconservatives. Many of whom vote for the Republican Party (even if we only agree with them about half the time).
Sorry, you mean libertarians.

Neo-conservatives are for big government, aggressive military action, and usurping state power.

Libertarians are referred to as the classical liberals. The split came over the power of the government to regulate the economy.

One of the greatest moments in Internet hilarity was hearing Democrats cry on Democrat Underground forums after the last election, claiming that "the Second Amendment wasn't such a bad idea after all" since it opened the door for them to buy guns and overthrow the government.

This was tempered by those in the forum who advised that they all get proper licenses, and attend safety training. For the revolution, you know. Where things would get dangerous.

I nearly stopped breathing it was so funny.

On a related side note...

Did you know, that the democratic party in America is considered very right-wing in most countries that have elections?

On a related side note...

Did you know, that the democratic party in America is considered very right-wing in most countries that have elections?
AMERICA is considered right-wing. Makes sense their two main parties will be centrist and rightwing.

John Kerry a radical liberal? Please.

I'm a liberal and i've got a couple guns, so your loony stereotype isnt terrrrrrribly relevant.

And in any case, true conservatives cant be weighed down by heavy guns when there is a tax refund to be rummaged around for in the dirt.

I think his point was that people are not going to go down that easily in America. Any person that thinks he can line up a bunch of americans and shoot them in the head, is some kind of coward that is easily taken out. I know this because of paintball. The coward newbies are the ones threatening the players before they take to the field and engage in a fair fire fight. The cowards stay in the back and basicly get mowed down by the quieter players. The people that threaten can't live up to thier imaginations when some fearless player eliminates their entire team. Their reality is completely shattered and some of them can't take it and even stop the game. Do you think armed people are just going to line up and let you shoot them in the back of the head? Do you think an unarmed fearless person will turn around and kneel so you can end thier life? No tricks? Just submission because you have some kind of power to take away his life? Do you think that being armed against someone unarmed gives you the power to take his life? If you did would that make you somehow feel powerful?

If anyone answers yes to these questions, then he can't beat his way out of a paper bag.

That was way off topic, but I find this thread interesting.

I never use liberal. I prefer leftist.

thats because liberals have always been more radical than conservatives, so naturally the word will be used in a different fashion.

Dur. Congradulations on saying the definition.

I'm a liberal with *lots* of guns, and I know how to use them. I'll need them when the fascist Police State comes to take me away for daring to criticize the current administration.

You are talking about "Classical Liberals". The people most associated (IMHO) with the tenets of Classical Liberalism are... neoconservatives. Many of whom vote for the Republican Party (even if we only agree with them about half the time).

Um... what? I am a classical liberal, and neoconservatives are nowhere close to being classical liberals.

Classical liberal is libertarian, right? Just checking my terminology.

As for neo-conservatives, I've heard them described as former welfare liberals (?) that were always socially conservative, but have moved to the right economically...but retained their old beliefs in large federal government and aggressive military action, putting them at odds with old isolationist, state-power conservatives like Pat Buchanan (and the Constitution Party).

John Kerry a radical liberal? Please.
John Kerry was considered a moderate conserative to most of the world. In the US, he was called a radical liberal. Shows how the world thinks about America.

John Kerry was considered a moderate conserative to most of the world. In the US, he was called a radical liberal. Shows how the world thinks about America.
I thought he was a left leaning centralist, but then again Clinton was a Moderate Centralist.

I thought he was a left leaning centralist, but then again Clinton was a Moderate Centralist.
The media showed John Kerry as a radical liberal. If John Kerry is a radical liberal, I'm communist. ;)

There is no way to get conservatives to stop calling a liberal a liberal, cuz that what they are. And liberal is a bad word. :)

You realise the O'Reilly suit was dropped, right?

Anyway, I agree with Lacadaemon.

There is no way to get conservatives to stop calling a liberal a liberal, cuz that what they are. And liberal is a bad word.
I'm left-wing, and I refer to myself as liberal. I don't find it offensive when others call me liberal either.

That's what the guy (I assume) who started this thread was saying.

The only way to get Republicans to stop saying "Liberal" is to accept it, first of all being a liberal is not a bad thing, thats like A communist country saying well.. your a... DEMOCRACY!!! I mean, its just stupid. People used to insult homosexuals by calling them queers, than the so called "queers" started calling themselves that and than it wasnt an insult, so the only way to get Republicans to stop saying, damn Liberals, is to adress oursleves as Liberals, be proud, tag ourselves as Liberals and say it in the good context, because it really is a good thing, no matter what Bill O'Reilly says, seriously who cares, that guy is being sued for talking to a woman on the phone and masturbating off the sound of her voice, I mean, eewwwww!


Sorry, but in terms of politics, there is no such thing as a positive framework for the word liberal unless it is completely devoid of socialistic tendencies. That isn't to say that I agree with the Republican party on everything, but claiming "liberal" values completely devalues personal responsibility in my opinion.

In any case, we have to start using "liberal" in its early 20th Century and international sense again.

I seem to recall many Democrats in the last campaign using "Christian" as an epithet and a negative label.

In fact, I seem to recall even after the election, hearing this sort of thing on Air America.

So each side has their "dirty" words. Big deal.

I seem to recall many Democrats in the last campaign using "Christian" as an epithet and a negative label.

In fact, I seem to recall even after the election, hearing this sort of thing on Air America.

So each side has their "dirty" words. Big deal.
The most humorus thing I found with Dubya's campaign was that he called Kerry a "flip-flopper" when he was doing more of the "flip-flopping" ;)

...Well, I'm just a silly Canadian, but it occurs to me that plenty of countries have parties called the "Liberal Party", and "Liberal" isn't exactly a dirty word here (After all, they're the government so they musy have some support). So, if there was another party called "Liberal", or the democrats just changed their name to "Liberals", there would be little reason for it to continue as an insult. Unless they decided to throw a person's party at him as an insult. Imagine how that may have worked for John Kerry:
"Well, he's a DEMOCRAT! He's the most DEMOCRAT senator we've ever had!"... Doesn't seem so bad now, eh?

Maybe its just my political bias, but it seems like an insult if you change all instinces of DEMOCRAT to REPUBLICAN.

...Well, I'm just a silly Canadian, but it occurs to me that plenty of countries have parties called the "Liberal Party", and "Liberal" isn't exactly a dirty word here (After all, they're the government so they musy have some support). So, if there was another party called "Liberal", or the democrats just changed their name to "Liberals", there would be little reason for it to continue as an insult. Unless they decided to throw a person's party at him as an insult. Imagine how that may have worked for John Kerry:
"Well, he's a DEMOCRAT! He's the most DEMOCRAT senator we've ever had!"... Doesn't seem so bad now, eh?

As far as I'm concerned that's just as bad as a 4 letter word, or perhaps more insulting as it goes to ones ideology and character as opposed to being a simple insult.

Maybe its just my political bias, but it seems like an insult if you change all instinces of DEMOCRAT to REPUBLICAN.

I agree, though from an opposite perspective.

I agree, though from an opposite perspective.
Fair enough. We all have our opinions of one another. I won't hate you for it.

Hmm. Maybe I'm on to something.
Let's say you're a Democrat, but you're also a Christian. And a Democrat says nasty things about "Christians". Now you're probably going to get angry and vote Republican.

I bet that if you're a Republican, but you're also thinking about voting Democrat, and someone calls you a "liberal", you're going to get angry and vote Republican.

I think I've figured out at least one reason Kerry lost.

Hmm. Maybe I'm on to something.
Let's say you're a Democrat, but you're also a Christian. And a Democrat says nasty things about "Christians". Now you're probably going to get angry and vote Republican.

I bet that if you're a Republican, but you're also thinking about voting Democrat, and someone calls you a "liberal", you're going to get angry and vote Republican.

I think I've figured out at least one reason Kerry lost.

What, the innate stupidity of those who actually care about labelling themselves? Big surprise there...

It's as plausible as any other idea I've heard put forth by the media...

*gasp*
You called me a tree hugging, pro-choice, pro-social equality, pro-welfare, pinko?! I think i'll vote red because of that!

Yep innate stupidity

Fair enough. We all have our opinions of one another. I won't hate you for it.

Thank you, nor will I hate you. Afterall, hatered is the anti-thesis of Christian love. But, we will have to agree to disagree on a lot of subjects.

*gasp*
You called me a tree hugging, pro-choice, pro-social equality, pro-welfare, pinko?! I think i'll vote red because of that!

Yep innate stupidity

Not arguing about the stupidity of it. It does happen on occasion though. I not sure I would say it explains the outcome of the election, but it was probably a small factor for some on both sides of the isle.

But, we will have to agree to disagree on a lot of subjects.
Which is natural. You have your opinions and I, mine.

Webster Thesaurus' entry for "Liberal"

liberal- (SYN.) large, generous, unselfish, tolerant, kind.
(ANT.) conservative