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Dear President Bush,

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from you and understand why you would propose and support a constitutional amendment banning same sex marriage. As you said, "in the eyes of God marriage is based between a man and a woman."

I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination...

End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Laws and how to follow them.

1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2. clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?

7. Lev.21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?

8 . Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though Lev. 19 expressly forbids this. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14) I know you
have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help.

Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

I'm sure Bush has a special button to reply his emails that says "Yes to all"

Be careful, you might just give him some ideas.

That letter was supposedly originally written to Dr. Laura... way to plagiarise.

That letter was supposedly originally written to Dr. Laura... way to plagiarise.

Yeah, I got to number two, then just stopped and shook my head :p

That letter was supposedly originally written to Dr. Laura... way to plagiarise.
Ah, yes, but this way you can end with PS: enjoy the bag of pretzels I've sent along with this letter.

oh fun, randomly citing that moron book Leviticus. Which, according to Christianity is null-and-void.

I definitely agree with your point...
The problem is that Christians believe in the New Testament, which declares the Old Testament unnecessary. I'm pretty sure there are some New Testament denouncements of homosexuality, but I don't care enough to look them up. I really don't see what Christianity has to do with lawmaking, though. :fluffle:

I definitely agree with your point...
The problem is that Christians believe in the New Testament, which declares the Old Testament unnecessary. I'm pretty sure there are some New Testament denouncements of homosexuality, but I don't care enough to look them up. I really don't see what Christianity has to do with lawmaking, though. :fluffle:

Hey... maybe you could find some ridiculous New Testament quotes? please? I really don't want to do the work.

oh fun, randomly citing that moron book Leviticus. Which, according to Christianity is null-and-void.
Which version of Christianity? I was raised Catholic, and generally was taught that the entire Bible was God's word.

Which version of Christianity? I was raised Catholic, and generally was taught that the entire Bible was God's word.
I was raised Methodist (not that I am one now...), and I was taught that the only part that really mattered was the New Testament. That Jesus basically came along and said "all this is bull." Examples of this include his forgiveness of prostitutes, his dealings with lepers and all that stuff. I'm certain Levit deals with those groups in a similar harsh manner. (GW is a Methodist if I remember correctly)

Hey... maybe you could find some ridiculous New Testament quotes? please? I really don't want to do the work.

Nahh... the type of Christian that you are targetting here pretty much ignores the New Testament - with all its talk about charity, mercy, not being judgemental and its implications that keeping the law is pretty much meaningless for non-Christians since keeping the law without believing in Christ scores zero points with god anyway.

Nahh... the type of Christian that you are targetting here pretty much ignores the New Testament - with all its talk about charity, mercy, not being judgemental.
Well, if I remember correctly Paul has some choice words about gays in his letters, but he's widely regarded as the conservative one of the bunch.

I was raised Methodist (not that I am one now...), and I was taught that the only part that really mattered was the New Testament. That Jesus basically came along and said "all this is bull." Examples of this include his forgiveness of prostitutes, his dealings with lepers and all that stuff. I'm certain Levit deals with those groups in a similar harsh manner. (GW is a Methodist if I remember correctly)
I've heard that is part of the Catholic/Protestant split (but never researched it much further). Some social conservatives try to say Jesus never approved of the prostitute's actions, you know the "love the sinner not the sin" thing...I never really tried to come up with a response to that, I'm not religious anyhow. And yes, Bush is a Methodist.

Wow, everyone seems to be taking this way too seriously. I thought it was one of the funniest things I've read in a long time.

Seriously, lighten up. Every mention of Christianity on this site is not intended as a personal affront.

Dear President Bush,

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from you and understand why you would propose and support a constitutional amendment banning same sex marriage. As you said, "in the eyes of God marriage is based between a man and a woman."

I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination...

End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Laws and how to follow them.

1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2. clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?

7. Lev.21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?

8 . Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though Lev. 19 expressly forbids this. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14) I know you
have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help.

Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.


Jump off the boat kid. Don't worry, no one will notice the splash

Which version of Christianity? I was raised Catholic, and generally was taught that the entire Bible was God's word.

The Mormon book is an addition/supplement to the bible.

If I decided to make my own version of Christianity and make my own supplement to the bible, would you still believe it was entirely God's word?

Because it would involve saying : "All your base are belong to us" and a little tear out envelope to send your life savings and house deed to me in.

Dear President Bush,

Snip of the biggest crock and whiney crap that I have heard in a while.



I do so tire of idiots trying to make Bush look like some religious fanatic, because he's NOT.

Not by a longshot.

Just because he is a Christian and prays does not make him some sort of fanatic, nor does it make it likely that he is trying to create some sort of religious theocracy.

The more of these types of letters that I see, the more I am convinced that a large minority in this country are total idiots.

YAWN

http://www.tektonics.org/lp/lauraletter.html

YAWN

http://www.tektonics.org/lp/lauraletter.html

PWNED

The issue is not so much that Bush is attempting to create a theocracy as it is that his strict personal adherance to (what he perceives to be) Christian tenets can lead to him appearing to make governmental decisions which are not representative of his country as a whole. As I understand it, aren't you guys supposed to have separation of Government and Religion (what with the country kind of being set up by people escaping religious persecution and all)?

Is that thing STILL on the internet? I've seen it in many places, including the letters page in my local paper..

I do so tire of idiots trying to make Bush look like some religious fanatic, because he's NOT.

Not by a longshot.

Just because he is a Christian and prays does not make him some sort of fanatic, nor does it make it likely that he is trying to create some sort of religious theocracy.

The more of these types of letters that I see, the more I am convinced that a large minority in this country are total idiots.

This is based on what someone who worked with him in the summer for a few days says...he's a religous nut. He usen't be, then he found god-sitting on his soldier. And if he isn't a religous nut he damn well uses religon to his advantage. Religon and politics DON'T mix well. He's just a low scum to bring it in.

As for creating religous theocracy...don't think he is capable..now those around him..

The issue is not so much that Bush is attempting to create a theocracy as it is that his strict personal adherance to (what he perceives to be) Christian tenets can lead to him appearing to make governmental decisions which are not representative of his country as a whole. As I understand it, aren't you guys supposed to have separation of Government and Religion (what with the country kind of being set up by people escaping religious persecution and all)?
well the majority of the counry is christian, and the people elected him, therefore he is doing is signing the bills that apeal to the moral and social values of a majority of american voters

YAWN

http://www.tektonics.org/lp/lauraletter.html

YAWN!

well the majority of the counry is christian, and the people elected him, therefore he is doing is signing the bills that apeal to the moral and social values of a majority of american voters

Not quite. When you're President of the United States, you're President to *all* citizens of the United States ... not just the ones who voted for you. This means you cannot just appeal to those who voted for you.

Or do you honestly believe that a mere 1/5th of this country deserves all the rights and the remaining 4/5ths deserve whatever shaft is handed them.

Never forget: 4 out of 5 Citizens do not reccomend George W. Bush.

oh fun, randomly citing that moron book Leviticus. Which, according to Christianity is null-and-void.

Then tell them to stop using it whenever it fits their agenda.

Feh, unless your a jew, you dont have to follow anything of the Old Testament as you call it.

All you have to do is follow the 7 Noahide Laws.

7 Noahide Laws (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noahide)

In short here are the 7 laws.

1. There is 1 G-d...
2. Don't curse G-d's name...
3. Don't Murder...
4. No Stealing...
5. No Adultery of any kind...
6. Have your own law system...
7. Do not animals while they are still alive... (apparently people liked doing this back in biblical days)

I'm sure you you can do at least 4 out of the 7...

Feh, unless your a jew, you dont have to follow anything of the Old Testament as you call it.



Meh ... even if you're a Jew, many of the 613 mitzvot cannot be followed since there is no Temple. The great Rabbi Hillel even said about Torah, "Treat your neighbor as you would have them treat you. The rest is commentary."

Plus you non-jews (not meant to be offensive) take the OT too seriously,

The bible is not literal in every word! What do you think we had sages for? They were there to help clarify what the Torah really meant.. You honestly didnt think it was just the first graphic Romance novel, did you?

Well... it is good for that as well, after all it's god Sex, Violence, Dominatrix, more sex, surprises, more sex, more violence, incredible twists. oh yeah did i mention lots and lots of sex and violence?

Plus you non-jews (not meant to be offensive) take the OT too seriously,


Nod ... well ... many people forget the natural showmanship and eccentricities involved in being Jewish. They fail to realize when they see a bunch of Jewish comedians and entertainers in Hollywood that Jews have *always* been like that. Even Moses striking the rock instead of just commanding it is a great example of Jewish showmanship.

The trouble with most things in the world is that people take it too seriously.

You try saying that to the people at chick tracts. They'd break down and cry.
http://www.chick.com/catalog/TractLookUp.asp?Language=English

That's right Moses was the first Magician!

Good thing he isnt here now, he would probably be branded a crappy magician.

Then again, if everyone's first borns dropped dead suddenly, i'm sure he might get the recognition he wanted, had he lived in Las Vegas :D

Although i must admit, i've been raised a traditionalist.. and it's very hard to be religious. But on the bright note, i get lots of holidays, and our religion has no hell!

Yup everyone goes to heaven, even Hitler... but that doesnt matter... He lives with Mussolini, and has a bunk bed... cept he gets the bottom bunk!

DUN DUN DUN! :p

You try saying that to the people at chick tracts. They'd break down and cry.
http://www.chick.com/catalog/TractL...anguage=English

Hmmm why?

"I'm not afraid of you... because Jesus loves me!" The simple Gospel for young children.

Hurray! Does that mean i'm not going to hell, if Christians were right?

Technically speaking, Jesus didn't say that the old law was no good anymore. That was Paul.

Paul liked making things up as he went along. He didn't like women, and he didn't like gays. There is a reason that they call the Catholic Church "Pauline". It has more to do with Paul than Jesus.

Pick up a New Testament that has the words of Jesus highlighted in red. You'll have a hard time finding Paul's additions in anything Jesus said.

IIRC, Paul never met Jesus while Jesus was alive.

Didn't Paul see him in a vision, and tell him he was an apostle?

Hmmm... i wonder what life would be like if Paul didn't exist.

Ah yes...

1. No Christianity, since those "Christians" WOuld just be Jews who believed Jesus was the messiah.

2. Judaism or Deism might be the majority religion. or another Paul like figure might've come.

I have absolutely nothing against Christians, but when they pick and choose which laws to follow, that makes me mad. Ignorant people also make me mad. That letter was not there mostly to criticize Bush, but instead to criticize the marriage ammendment. Bush's spirituality is not a bad thing, but when he combines it with his policies (Stem Cell Research, gay marriage) that is a bad thing. I realize that that was originally posted by Dr. Laura, but did I ever take credit for it, no. It was wrong of me not to cite a source and i apologize.