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http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/11/25/yushchenko.ailment.ap/

I dont think any punishment is too severe for the people in the Yanukovich/Kuchma government responsible for poisoning Viktor Yushchenko. Not torture, not the execution of family members, nothing.

The sheer cowardice and despicable, underhanded inhumane savagery of somone who would disfigure a person's face permently like this, in such a dishonest and snake-in-the-grass sort of way has struck a chord deep within me and made my genuinely ill.

I do not think that it has been since reading the Gulag Archipelago that I have felt just this way.

That is awful. But there is no evidence that he was poisoned. I personally suspect he probably was, if there is such a toxin that can do that to you, but I wouldn't jump to conclusions.

That is awful. But there is no evidence that he was poisoned. I personally suspect he probably was, if there is such a toxin that can do that to you, but I wouldn't jump to conclusions.


A british scientists says that it looks like dioxin poisoning.

He came down with his 'illness' shortly after dining with the head of the ukraine FSB/KGB.

He wasn't necesarily poisoned, but it appears to be the case. Things like this just don't happen in America.

He wasn't necesarily poisoned, but it appears to be the case. Things like this just don't happen in America.


Indeed, as bad as things are they really arent like things in Russia.
(Putin and his gang of murderers are supporting kuchma and yakoff-ovich)

Russians are the worst people in the world, i believe it to the bottom of my soul.

It's scary how much influence Moscow still has in the Ukraine. Although, it was Ukrainians who poisoned him but still, a very cowardly act. I hope Yushchenko is elected in the re-election.

This issue is actually pretty funny. It's all because of messed up exit polls and conspiracy theorists. Before you get out the flamethrowers, take a look at what happened in the USA- exit polls showed Kerry winning, Kerry lost, there were conspiracy theories circulating, Bush got elected. In Ukraine- exit polls showed Yushenko winning, Yushenko lost, there were conspiracy theories circulating, Yanukovich didn't get elected anyway.

EDIT: "Russians are the worst people in the world, i believe it to the bottom of my soul." Am I allowed to take that personally? If yes, then you get flamed :D That is actually a stupid statement. Americans get pissed off when the International Community makes a judgement on them just by Bush. Same for Putin. One Putin for lots and lots of Russians. Russians are actually very nice people who are proud of themselves due to their ability to down a full bottle of our national drink at a time :cool:

It's scary how much influence Moscow still has in the Ukraine. Although, it was Ukrainians who poisoned him but still, a very cowardly act. I hope Yushchenko is elected in the re-election.

It may well have been russians who poisoned him, the russian murder machine is at work helping kuchma and yankovich.

Indeed, as bad as things are they really arent like things in Russia.
(Putin and his gang of murderers are supporting kuchma and yakoff-ovich)

Russians are the worst people in the world, i believe it to the bottom of my soul.

Hmmmmm thats a pretty big generalisation, I think there are what about 3,000 different types of people living in russia, besides if blaming the people for what the government did is unfair.

lol

hurray for western bias

has anyone read any of the russian papers about this whole ukraine incident, its great

their media is just as convining you that they are right as our media is at convincing people that we are right.

wow

jesus fuck

This issue is actually pretty funny. It's all because of messed up exit polls and conspiracy theorists. Before you get out the flamethrowers, take a look at what happened in the USA- exit polls showed Kerry winning, Kerry lost, there were conspiracy theories circulating, Bush got elected. In Ukraine- exit polls showed Yushenko winning, Yushenko lost, there were conspiracy theories circulating, Yanukovich didn't get elected anyway.



I tend to agree. Yushenko pretty much had the same evidence that the election was stolen as kerry did. But if Democrats suggest the election may have been rigged they are labeled dangerous fringe lunatics but when it happens in another county we are all but threatening war to have the election overturned.

It is just like every other protest, if millions of people protests the Iraq war then Bush just says he "doesn't listen to interest groups" or whatever he said about all the massive protests I wasted my time going to. But if it happens in another country who we don't like, say Venezuela then we demand that their leader "respect the democratic process" and step down or something

I still think Yushenko was poisioned though, I certainly feel sorry for the guy.

If he was poisoned, there is no reason that the western nations should deal with Kuchma/Yanukovych. And an international boycott of the Ukraine would be reasonable.

what is most depressing about this article is the caption under the last image after clicking the "next" button a couple times.

It meantions his "film star good looks." what the fuck? this is supposed to be the press, not people magazine. It scares the shit out of me that this media conglomerate (and any others within the states) is still considered a credible and objective source of information.

Get informed people. look outside the states for information next time.

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Hmmmmm thats a pretty big generalisation, I think there are what about 3,000 different types of people living in russia, besides if blaming the people for what the government did is unfair.

Shut the fuck up. He means the people in the Russian government who maintain their power through systematic murder and violence.

what is most depressing about this article is the caption under the last image after clicking the "next" button a couple times.

It meantions his "film star good looks." what the fuck? this is supposed to be the press, not people magazine. It scares the shit out of me that this media conglomerate (and any others within the states) is still considered a credible and objective source of information.

Get informed people. look outside the states for information next time.

br


I only linked to CNN because it didnt require registration and had a nice graphic regarding the thing.

Shut the fuck up. He means the people in the Russian government who maintain their power through systematic murder and violence.

you shut the fuck up

who the fuck do you think you are?

lol

hurray for western bias

has anyone read any of the russian papers about this whole ukraine incident, its great

their media is just as convining you that they are right as our media is at convincing people that we are right.

wow

jesus fuck

It doesnt take a god damned genius to know that the candidate supported by Vladimir Putin is the wrong man for the job.

I could give a damn who CNN or whatever endorses, the facts are that Kuchma and Yanukovich are scum. What they and the russians have done to Yushchenko is just more evidence for this.

you shut the fuck up

who the fuck do you think you are?

I, for one, think he was right to tell that pissant thumb-twiddling spammer off.

I, for one, think he was right to tell that pissant thumb-twiddling spammer off.

and you are?

It doesnt take a god damned genius to know that the candidate supported by Vladimir Putin is the wrong man for the job.

I could give a damn who CNN or whatever endorses, the facts are that Kuchma and Yanukovich are scum. What they and the russians have done to Yushchenko is just more evidence for this.

why doesnt it take a god damned genius to know that he is the wrong man for the job?

because he isnt the democratic candidate?

seriously, you are being way to closed minded about this issue, it cant be about people against eachother because in the long run it isnt.

fuck, its the same problem you have with your own politics, its some big game of black vs white.

why doesnt it take a god damned genius to know that he is the wrong man for the job?

because he isnt the democratic candidate?

seriously, you are being way to closed minded about this issue, it cant be about people against eachother because in the long run it isnt.

fuck, its the same problem you have with your own politics, its some big game of black vs white.


Support from Vladimir Putin is evidence for corruption and fundemental wrong-ness in my opinion.

Putin, he's the guy that removed direct election of governors in favor of appointment...for national security reasons.

Lately he's been talking Bush's language, "going after terrorists, no matter which country harbors them".

And for all the whining we do about America's regime-changing of Iraq, just be glad it isn't Russia setting up puppet governments.

And holy shit, that's some nasty skin disease. Can't believe I haven't heard of this yet, seeing as how the article is like 10 days old.

Support from Vladimir Putin is evidence for corruption and fundemental wrong-ness in my opinion.

wow

how about innocent until proven guilty (though im sure the election was rigged)

how about the fact that, regardless of polls, 50% of the country wants a VASTLY differant system of government than the other.

this cant be solved if you keep looking at it like this, drop your western perspective. This isnt democracy vs communism, its not the 50s

wow

how about innocent until proven guilty (though im sure the election was rigged)

how about the fact that, regardless of polls, 50% of the country wants a VASTLY differant system of government than the other.

this cant be solved if you keep looking at it like this, drop your western perspective. This isnt democracy vs communism, its not the 50s


I'm not pretending it is a struggle between capitalism and communism, I'm acknowledging that it is a struggle between men like vladimir putin and men unlike him.

Putin, he's the guy that removed direct election of governors in favor of appointment...for national security reasons.

Lately he's been talking Bush's language, "going after terrorists, no matter which country harbors them".

And for all the whining we do about America's regime-changing of Iraq, just be glad it isn't Russia setting up puppet governments.

And holy shit, that's some nasty skin disease. Can't believe I haven't heard of this yet, seeing as how the article is like 10 days old.


I hadnt heard of it either, but the New York Times frontpaged it on their website, not sure about the print edition, though I think it should have a banner headline.

I'm not pretending it is a struggle between capitalism and communism, I'm acknowledging that it is a struggle between men like vladimir putin and men unlike him.

your wrong

its a struggle in the UKRAINE that other nations have put interest in

the real conflict is for the people who want western democracy vs those who want soviet rule

ya, i guess the best idea then is to compleatly bash the other side and not come to any resonable conclusions aside from "our way"

Poor man, let's hope it's proved to be an illness of natural origin. Because this could be the spark to set off the powderkeg.

Poor man, let's hope it's proved to be an illness of natural origin. Because this could be the spark to set off the powderkeg.


No doubt this did help set off the powder keg.

Recall, after the sham election the people of kiev and elsewhere took to the streets of kiev and remain there. The parliament voted no contest in the election and now the supreme court has ordered a new election.

The orange revolution, as it is known because orange is the color of the yushchenko campaign, looks as though it is to be victorious.

Thankfully, the police stated that they would refuse any orders to use force to disperse the protestors.

As yet the entire affair has been remarkably peaceful.

I should imagine that Yushchenko's refrain from urging his followers to kill kuchma and his party in retribution for his poisoning tells volumes about his character and how he plans to rule.

He has really taken the best course with the whole affair, using hs face and what has been done to it as a metaphor for the ukraine itself, made sick and monstrous by criminals and scum like kuchma and yanukovich.

I only wish I had the resources to fly out to Ukraine and join them.

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/11/25/yushchenko.ailment.ap/

I dont think any punishment is too severe for the people in the Yanukovich/Kuchma government responsible for poisoning Viktor Yushchenko. Not torture, not the execution of family members, nothing.

The sheer cowardice and despicable, underhanded inhumane savagery of somone who would disfigure a person's face permently like this, in such a dishonest and snake-in-the-grass sort of way has struck a chord deep within me and made my genuinely ill.

I do not think that it has been since reading the Gulag Archipelago that I have felt just this way.
Quite frankly, if you haven't been so digusted in years, you haven't been paying attention. But that's beside the point.

Execution of FAMILY MEMBERS? Am I to undestand that you claim to have no problem with killing INNOCENT PEOPLE over this? Because if that's the case, I can't help feeling those doing the disfiguring aren't the real criminals here.

Given this quote Russians are the worst people in the world, i believe it to the bottom of my soul. I'd say it's a case of hopeless racism and lack of perspective. NG sees Russians as less than human, so is able to make such statements. It's a sign of poor intellect. :rolleyes:

It meantions his "film star good looks." what the fuck? this is supposed to be the press, not people magazine. It scares the shit out of me that this media conglomerate (and any others within the states) is still considered a credible and objective source of information.

It mentions that he's known for having them, yes. What's the problem? The observation that he was once a handsome man by most standards underscores the effect that his illness has had on him. Taking this point away would weaken the story. Furthermore, he's described as handsome or compared with a movie star in both the Shenzen Daily (http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2004-12/03/content_2291095.htm) and the Al-Ahram (http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2004/719/in4.htm), published in China and Egypt respectively.

Given this quote I'd say it's a case of hopeless racism and lack of perspective. NG sees Russians as less than human, so is able to make such statements. It's a sign of poor intellect. :rolleyes:

Now this I take umbrage with. It is NOT a sign of poor intellect that you hate or dehumanize people. Plenty of people who practically embodied genius hated. It is a sign of mental disorder, a malevolence of the soul, or a traumatized person who does these things. There are people of unquestioned greatness of mind that had shriveled souls incapable of understanding compassion for humans.

We drive ourselves to forget the human nature of those who oppose us in times of trial, soldiers throughout history are forced to forget their human opponents, killing or being killed leaves no room for questioning the morality of the moment. If you consider your opponent's situation, a poor, confused man huddling in terror in a foxhole, hoping only that he'll survive; you will hesitate to kill him.

It happens that those so traumatized by war are incapable of returning to compassion, and indeed there are those who never found it in the first place. But it is society that shapes this lack of compassion chiefly, and it is entirely possible to have a society that employs people of great intellect but without compassion.

The person who made that post I would never employ in a position of power over human lives. However they still could prove useful within a government or organization; who knows what skills might be hiding on the other side of the modem? However, their low opinion of all Russian people should be noted and provisions would have to be made.

Indeed, as bad as things are they really arent like things in Russia.
(Putin and his gang of murderers are supporting kuchma and yakoff-ovich)

Russians are the worst people in the world, i believe it to the bottom of my soul.


Nope, the chinese are the worst.

Hmmm, the Chinese triads or the Russian mob. Hard to decide which is worse.

Nope, the chinese are the worst.

I'm not sure who the worst is, but speaking as a Coloradoan, I can honestly say that we are the best people in the world.

Nope, the chinese are the worst.
Hey there are many kinds of Chinese people and not all of them are bad LOL !!!!11

I'm not sure who the worst is, but speaking as a Coloradoan, I can honestly say that we are the best people in the world.
oooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhh wrong.

My pick is for one of the Scandinavian ones. Among the highest in GDP, and at the same time, highest in social programs offered, and among the cleanest places in the world. And they are the gods of METAL!!!

I'd say the americans are worst and some state in north-eastern europe (scandinavia, finnland, whatever) might be best (as seen in recent posts).
Why the USA? Because they want themselves to be seen as the "World police" and break laws that no European nation would ever dare to.
Maybe the situation in Russia is worse, but at least they don't play "oh so good" like America does. America, trying to dominate the western world... but raging war whereever they want to get something (e.g. Oil...). Why doesn't the UN finally throw out America and punish them, with an embargo like the one China got? Yeah... because the US are too powerfull... awful situation, makes me sick to see things like that...