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I need to see how popular that mindset is...

"Conquer" how?

"Conquer" how?
Apparently, some people think that it is possible to become independent of it...

Yes we can.

The question is should we? No.

I fear that humans may accidentally conquer nature.

Apparently, some people think that it is possible to become independent of it...
Ah, then my response is, not as long as we live in this universe.

Yes we can.

The question is should we? No.

I fear that humans may accidentally conquer nature.
But...but how do you propose we do this? I think that, even though it requires at least moderate understanding of biology, everyone needs to read Biophilia by Edward O. Wilson.

Depends on what you define as nature.

If you mean the pristine wilderness, yes we can and already have done so.

If you mean changing the direction of the jet stream, no.

If we do, we're gonna have a hell of a time surviving. We depend on nature, yes but don't need to conquer it.

Well not exactly. We couldn't have existed without nature and even if we exist independent of it (and we will), the processes and methods of science we use to survive will be, by definition, natural processes.

But using scientific advances we can systematically phase out dependence upon certain processes (need for sex, need for certain natural supplies.)

Our entire existence is a process of 'conquering nature' bending it to our will, and our ultimate goal is to conquer it completley.

I don't think that we can ever completley conquer it, because we will need supplies for energy and food, but we can reach a point of 99.99% efficiency where we won't need power, or food, from external sources, for thousands or millions of years (essentially our entire existence.)

So technically those are naturally processes, but at that point (which we should be within the near future) we won't need nature, and will have 'conquered' any need of it

Well, I am going to leave now. I don't think I've ever been so discouraged since I went through a serious clinical depression. This is so demoralising that people actually think this. This is terrible. We need to redo our education system regarding biology, and introduce a little ecology. I swear, if people are thinking like this, we are all going to die earlier than I thought. May God have mercy on our damned souls.

Obviously, I think so. And btw, could you create a poll for this? I think it'd better say how popular this is.

But...but how do you propose we do this? I think that, even though it requires at least moderate understanding of biology, everyone needs to read Biophilia by Edward O. Wilson.

I don’t propose we do this at all!

I took the limited information of the thread to translate to: "let’s say its Humans Vs Non Humans, who would win" But now I think about it, it would involve a few more years of firing a CO2 Smog Cannon at the Ozone layer whilst simultaneously burning through the African planes and gunning down Zebras than I originally thought.

Cheers for the book reference Gnostikos

lol

science will probably one day be able to alter the universe to our own desires

2 000 000 000 000 000 years in the future im hopeful that our technology might have come that far.

i guess due to evolution we probably wouldnt be humans at that point, but whatever.

Well, human beings are part of nature, so no, we could never *conquer* nature, as we will always be guided by *our* nature.

Could we conquer the rest of nature completely? Not without killing ourselves in the process.

Human beings can never conquer nature. THis is because, by definition, we are part of nature. We were all created of nature, because nature is everything in the universe. Even if we manage to live outside the universe and create matter and energy from nothingness (the only way to fully detach from the natural world), we will still be products of nature.

The other question is, "should we try to conquer nature?" To which I respond ardently no, we should not, as we don't even really understand it yet, and it benefits us in a myriad of ways to maintain (or perhaps more accurately, reinstate) our position as an integrated part of nature.

lol

science will probably one day be able to alter the universe to our own desires

2 000 000 000 000 000 years in the future im hopeful that our technology might have come that far.

i guess due to evolution we probably wouldnt be humans at that point, but whatever.
Highly unlikely, in my opinion, that the human race will survive that long.

2 000 000 000 000 000 years in the future im hopeful that our technology might have come that far.

:rolleyes:

Actually, considering humans evolution is progressing at an exponential rate, I calculate we will be able to conquer nature in...

*taps on Solar powered calculater* hmmm... *tap-tap, tap-tap*

DAM YOU SOLAR POWERED CALCULATOR!!!

ok, I will give you the answer when it isnt so smoggy outside :p

:rolleyes:

Actually, considering humans evolution is progressing at an exponential rate, I calculate we will be able to conquer nature in...

*taps on Solar powered calculater* hmmm... *tap-tap, tap-tap*

DAM YOU SOLAR POWERED CALCULATOR!!!

ok, I will give you the answer when it isnt so smoggy outside :p

Highly unlikely, in my opinion, that the human race will survive that long.

Ya, this is why i mentioned the evolution part, at the end of my post

thereby stating that humanity probably wont do it, but some species at some point will.

Highly unlikely, in my opinion, that the human race will survive that long.

Hehehe, it is highly unlikely that the universe will survive that long. That was, what, 2 quadrillion years?

And since the average mammalian species/clade only last 1-2 million years, I'd say you are right that we'd be gone.

Back to the thread though...I don't think we'll conquer nature. People talk about "conquering nature" or "destroying the biosphere". We aren't going to do either one. We can change the biosphere enough that it destroys the human race, but life will go on.

If we continue to try and conquer nature, we continue to put ourselves at great risk. It was human agriculture that caused the rise of malaria. It is human cattle farming that causes Mad Cow Disease. We cause massive bouts of invasive species. Everything we do to nature, nature, in a way, reacts to. Best to get along with nature, it works pretty well ;)

lol, but 4 thousand years from now (yes i was exaggerating) when we can make new time lenghts or quantum shards that exist ouside of time and perception, we will be able to perform any feat that you would consider conquoring nature.

weather we do it or not is a compleatly differant story, as i agree that performing many of the actions would compleatly destroy life as we know it.

No. There will be a point where you might think that might happen, but then 2 gigantic jets of gamma rays are gonna be shot out of the poles of a quaser and the Milky Way will be sterilized of all life.

Well, the responses I came back to are much more encouraging. I really should've made a poll for this...

All of nature (the universe, all other animals at any time or place), perhaps not.

Our environment? Sure. Give it time and the planet will be our own little biodome.