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For all those who have Sky News, I recommend switching on now. Mordechai Vanunu is about to speak to them, despite promising not to. It was a term of his release. Sparks will fly.

The guy is insane, he just announced that he doesn't believe that Israel has any enemies anymore!

So what do you guys think should happen to Vanunu? Technically, he's breaking the rules of his release, so Israel is fully justified in locking him up again. I hope he spends life behind bars.

Mordechai Vanunu was and always will be a great man.

Mordechai Vanunu was and always will be a great man.
Right, why?
I think he signed a secrecy document, therefore he broke the law. He's a criminal and should be treated accordingly. Also, he's just broken the terms of his release, so he should go back to his cell for another few years. Promises and documents mean nothing to that man.

I hope he spends life behind bars. Why? There seems to be a lot of venom in your reply. I have never heard of this guy so I googled him and found out a little bit. He was working for the Israeli gov't, decided what he was doing was wrong, took photos, opened his mouth, got caught and put in prison under severe conditions, was released but is still virtually imprisoned in Israel (ie he can't leave the country) and is now breaking the conditions of that release by talking to the media. I understand that he could be re-imprisoned for that and deserved prison in the first place for breaking the laws of the country he was in but why do you hope he is imprisoned for longer than child molesters, rapists and murderers are at times? Is it because Israel is involved? I mean, if you substitute the word "Iraq" for the word "Israel" throughout his story, he'd be a hero to many...

I'm not trying to start an argument, I genuinely want to know why you sound so venomous about it.

Right, why?
I think he signed a secrecy document, therefore he broke the law. He's a criminal and should be treated accordingly. Also, he's just broken the terms of his release, so he should go back to his cell for another few years. Promises and documents mean nothing to that man.

He was a great man for telling the truth to the *sraeli lies. He is a Hero, he should never have been put in jail, but sadly this disgusting modern *sraeli is nothing more than a degrading and cruel nation bent on spreading hate...and lies

Thank you Austrealite, and without flaming and insulting my homeland? Lets try a coherant reply now shall we?

Kyro, he was sworn to secrecy, he was informed of the penalty for opening his mouth. He did it anyway, and should be punished accordingly. Also, the information he revealed, could have helped certain nations gain an advantage over us. In effect, he put the whole of Israel in danger. I admit having a vendetta against the man, but I am Israeli, and he 'aint popular round here.

He is imprisoned in Israel, because if he leaves, he will talk again to the media, you saw he did it today, without being allowed to. He claimed today that he has nothing new to divulge, but I treat his words with extreme caution.

Thank you Austrealite, and without flaming and insulting my homeland? Lets try a coherant reply now shall we?

Kyro, he was sworn to secrecy, he was informed of the penalty for opening his mouth. He did it anyway, and should be punished accordingly. Also, the information he revealed, could have helped certain nations gain an advantage over us. In effect, he put the whole of Israel in danger. I admit having a vendetta against the man, but I am Israeli, and he 'aint popular round here.

He is imprisoned in Israel, because if he leaves, he will talk again to the media, you saw he did it today, without being allowed to. He claimed today that he has nothing new to divulge, but I treat his words with extreme caution.

Ok, he told the world something they should be allowed to have known, the amount of Nukes *srael had. I mean I would want to know the amount of nukes every country had. He told the world the truth and for that he was punished. Something I wouldn't have expected in any democratic country.

Vanunu is a brave man who brough Israel's illegal nuclear weapons to the worlds attention (like the US didn't know...).

Israel has persecuted this man in a way that screams "We're a free society."

I loved the way Israel used Arafat's death to have 50 policemen around half heavily armed storm the cathedral in Jerusalem to arrest Vanunu.

I wish him freedom and long life.

Wooo, to release secret military documents concerning Isreal nuclear capabilities it's bad bad. We don't know the extent of the documents though, but I think he does deserves to be in jail. IMO Lucky they didn't hang him for treason against the nation.

And since now he's free, If I were him, I'll keep my mouth shut and just live a happy life.

I want to see someone paint "Arbeit Macht Frei" on that wall Israel's building.

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And since now he's free, If I were him, I'll keep my mouth shut and just live a happy life.

If you knew what he did, could you live a happy life with your mouth shut?

...And since now he's free, If I were him, I'll keep my mouth shut and just live a happy life.
He can't, he's one of those people who just can't stay out of the spotlight. He just risked arrest by talking to Sky News, and what did he say? Israel doesn't have any enemies... I have no information that I haven't divulged... *yaaaawn*
In short, he needs to stay out of the spotlight, but physically he can't. He risked arrest just to see his face on TV.

IMO Lucky they didn't hang him for treason against the nation.
Only one crime in Israel gets the death penalty, and thats being a WW2-era nazi, who killed Jews. That has only been used once, against Eichmann, assuming my memory serves.

I want to see someone paint "Arbeit Macht Frei" on that wall Israel's building.

Arbeit Macht Du Frei (I think it has a 'you' in there... not certain)

But yes... that would be very apt...

Mordechai Vanunu was and always will be a great man.
He should definitely win the nobel peace prize.

Thank you Austrealite, and without flaming and insulting my homeland? Lets try a coherant reply now shall we?

Kyro, he was sworn to secrecy, he was informed of the penalty for opening his mouth. He did it anyway, and should be punished accordingly. Also, the information he revealed, could have helped certain nations gain an advantage over us. In effect, he put the whole of Israel in danger. I admit having a vendetta against the man, but I am Israeli, and he 'aint popular round here.

He is imprisoned in Israel, because if he leaves, he will talk again to the media, you saw he did it today, without being allowed to. He claimed today that he has nothing new to divulge, but I treat his words with extreme caution.

Have you ever heard of Socrates Sanctaphrax. He's a philosipher whos philosphy was to question assumptions. And a lot of what you are saying seems to be "Self evident logic"

If anything he protected Israel. If Any country did try to invade Israel they would get nuked and the fallout would probably drift towards Israel. If they know Israel has nukes then they know not to invade dont they? M.A.D only works in your enemy knows he's assured of destruction. Also Israel doesn't even need them. They have one of the largest most well equipped armies in the world. How else could they occupy palestine, one of the most densely populated areas on the planet? Israel loves everyone to know they have nukes. A while back it was "Leaked" that israel had now acquired A nuclear capable SLBM. (or something to that effect) It took a month for everyone to realise that the kind of Submarines ISrael had couldn't launch that particular kind of missile. It was Disinformation put out by Mossad. Just to throw to fear of god into everybody.

Could you please say what enemies you feel Israel has. Are you still in that Yom Kippur mentality? Noone wants to drive Israel into the sea. No one even could because as I said, they are well capable of defending themselves. Yom Kippur proved that.

Vanunu Suffered for what he believed in, much like Socrates ironically enough. He may have signed a confidentiality agreement, and broke it. But what Israel was doing was also Highly illegal. So get off your High horse. They stole the Uranium for it, They blackmailed the U.S and betrayed the confidance of the world.

I dont quite understand the point of this thread. Was Vanunu released or what? This is hardly the firsttime he's spoken to hte media. After what he's gone through I say let him do what he wants. Israel's being very spiteful in keeping him in jerusalem, Or were. They dont want him, and he doesnt want to be there. Yet they still persist in trying to hurt him.

Vanunu is a brave man who brough Israel's illegal nuclear weapons to the worlds attention (like the US didn't know...).

Israel has persecuted this man in a way that screams "We're a free society."

I loved the way Israel used Arafat's death to have 50 policemen around half heavily armed storm the cathedral in Jerusalem to arrest Vanunu.

I wish him freedom and long life.

I agree very much, interesting how he converted to the right and only true faith, in the Messiah Yahsha and our Lord God. I bet Many *sraelis loved to see/hear when the policemen stormed the CATHEDRAL! I bless him, and pray that he lives free (unlike *srael has allowed him too)

Actually Austrealite - I've been meaning to ask - what's with the avoiding the name Israel in your posts (*srael looks pretty dumb, you know) Do you think there is some totemic power involved in naming the place? If no, then what's going on?

Does anybody know the extent of his revealing of Isreals nuclear capabilities?

Like it's nuclear weapons arsenal, the locations, security measures, Their facilities of making weapons, the scientists and the names of those he worked with, budget spending, etc. etc.?

Or was it just a some paper documents concerning Isreal purchasing a nuclear bomb? Probably an invoice paper?

I don't know if I like the guy but I think he did the right thing blowing the whistle on those nukes. Israel should not have and dp not need nukes.

If Iran build them it will be good because then they can agree to dismantle if Israel does. :)

Surely there are greater loyalties than to one's nation.

Being punished for revealing the truth looks harsh and barbaric.

If he had "outed" an Arab state, he would be a hero.

As for the "treason" - who was harmed or injured by his actions (excluding, of course, himself).

Actually Austrealite - I've been meaning to ask - what's with the avoiding the name Israel in your posts (*srael looks pretty dumb, you know) Do you think there is some totemic power involved in naming the place? If no, then what's going on?

I don't want to use the word (I)srael because that name is only for Gods Nation, this modern nation is a counterfeit and hence doesn't deserve the full title

I don't know if I like the guy but I think he did the right thing blowing the whistle on those nukes. Israel should not have and dp(does?) not need nukes.
You think that America needs nukes? After Hiroshima and Nagasaki, they will never use them again, so why have them? Bin Laden proved that they are of no use as a deterrant, by attacking them. So why does America need them? Russia, why do they need them? They don't have any real external enemies, so why would they need nukes? Especially the amount they both have. Unfortunately, with Iran now developing nukes as well, I can realistically see a mini-cuban missile crisis, with Iran and Israel pointing nukes at each other until someone backs down. If Iran doesn't stop their program, Israel shouldn't stop theirs.

I don't want to use the word (I)srael because that name is only for Gods Nation, this modern nation is a counterfeit and hence doesn't deserve the full title

Crikey!

God's an Australian, mate.

Some interesting points made..

I think it's important to put Vanunu's revelations into their historical context - the Cold War was still ongoing, including (even that late into the 1980s) pressures on both sides to dominate in the Middle East. Vanunu's actions were a step in the direction of allowing Israel's enemies to believe in the possible success of a first-strike, in the eventuality of one of them developing nuclear weapons.

While such an opponent did not at that time exist (unless you count the USSR), it's important to remember the nuclear programs in Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Libya, etc at the time. Such information as given out by Vanunu could have tipped the balance sharply away from Israel's favour and encourage such a first-strike if one of Israel's neighbours completed their own programs.

Israel had to punish Vanunu not only for the crime he committed, but as a clear message to all potential 'whistle-blowers'.

Crikey!

God's an Australian, mate.

...er ok...what?

...er ok...what?

The "God's an Australian" was in response to Israel as God's country.

Makes just as much sense.

I know where I would rather be.