NationStates Jolt Archive

We have all heard of genocide, and now the U.N. is going to 'ban' it. When we look back on time we see many examples of genocide, like the 'holocaust' and the whole saddam gasing the turks thing. But is it bad? Isreal is pulling off a less obvious, but still obvious, genocide of the palestinian people who rightfully should be in their land, yet we support them. I say, seeing as how the word bad and evil are subjective, it shouldn't be banned, and shouldn't there shouldn't be a search whenever this U.N. would feel it necessary, I say therefor, please vote against The current U.N. proposal.

Gennocide is immoral

Can you define Immoral for me, as I said, it is very subjective.

lol

thats a sample in.... i think its a Radium song... or Androgyn Network

it was a funny sample, i have been saying it all week, so it was funny to see this topic

morality, i dont care, to me its just a cultural phenomenon. Right or wrong really arent concepts outside of human understanding

the whole saddam gasing the turks thing.
What Turks?

Really, I don't think they were called turks, they were the political oponents to the Saddam's regime and he gassed'm, I wish I could remember their name.

uh yes genocide is wrong, its basically like asking.

Killing a number of people, is it wrong?

Really, I don't think they were called turks, they were the political oponents to the Saddam's regime and he gassed'm, I wish I could remember their name.
Kurds.

I still don't get what your saying, it's wrong because... it is?

Kurds, thank you, I didn't feel like sparing the few minutes it would take to look it up, I'm lazy :P

I'm lazy :P
I gathered that much. :p

I still don't get what your saying, it's wrong because... it is?

here, ill give you a Kantian(ish, i cant stand kant most of the time) view to chew on if you must

genocide is immoral because all people could not be able to commit this action. If people off all races tried to commit genocide the world would end. Therefore the self defeatism of this would make it socially immoral.

also, your justification FOR the morality of genocide seems to be that it is ok because many countries have and are currently practicing it. That is a logical fallacy.

I was more reaching for if it was so immoral why is it and had been practiced over the years. But I like your whole paradox deal, I don't know though, aren't humans always killing each other? But society still exists.

I was more reaching for if it was so immoral why is it and had been practiced over the years. But I like your whole paradox deal, I don't know though, aren't humans always killing each other? But society still exists.

ya, but if it was ok for every person to kill another person, then it would fall. killing is a privilage of the murderers. who then face the reprecussions for an immoral action

war, murder, only exists because it is not all encompassing. If everyone commited the action, human life would cease to exist.

We have all heard of genocide, and now the U.N. is going to 'ban' it.

Er, where have you been?
"In 1948 the member states of the United Nations General Assembly -- repulsed and emboldened by the sinister scale and intent of the crimes they had just witnessed -- unanimously passed the Genocide Convention. Signatories agreed to suppress and punish perpetrators who slaughtered victims simply because they belonged to an "undesirable" national, ethnic, or religious group."
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/karadzic/genocide/neveragain.html


When we look back on time we see many examples of genocide, like the 'holocaust' and the whole saddam gasing the turks thing. But is it bad?
There has been many examples of genocide since WW2, true. Asking if it's bad is like asking if murder is wrong, times a google. Let me ask it this way: how would you feel if the world's governements decided to eliminate everyone with your astrological sign? You're being killed not for what you did -- but for who you are. No way that's right.


Isreal is pulling off a less obvious, but still obvious, genocide of the palestinian people who rightfully should be in their land, yet we support them.

While I have no real love for Israel or Palestine, Israel is certainly *NOT pulling off genocide. They're only too happy to have the Palestinians emigrate out of the area (if any middle eastern country would take 'em!). There are no death camps. There are no liquidations of people. Apharteid, maybe. Genocide, no.


I say, seeing as how the word bad and evil are subjective, it shouldn't be banned, and shouldn't there shouldn't be a search whenever this U.N. would feel it necessary, I say therefor, please vote against The current U.N. proposal.

Bad and evil are NOT subjective. There are somethings which (as a species!) we acknowledge as wrong, no matter your color or creed. No culture ever survived without an edict banning murder, for example.

Do you mean in Darfur, Sudan? If so, I'd ask you to read the 4 October issue of TIME and tell me it's okay. Or at least these:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/3922461.stm
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-1358234,00.html

Genocide is simply murder on a mass scale.

Palestinian genocide at the hands of Israel? You've got to be kidding me.

They are doing a real lousy job of it.


At the time of Israel’s creation in 1948, an estimated 800,000 Palestinians fled their homes in Palestine. By the end of 2002, the global Palestinian population grew to 9.3 million




Between September 30, 2000 and May 30, 2002, thirty-four Palestinian females have been killed out of 1,293 Palestinian deaths - 2.63%.

Between September 30, 2000 and May 30, 2002, 146 Israeli females have been killed out of a total of 501 Israelis deaths - 29%. Nine were female soldiers, none of which were on duty.



http://www.bridgesforpeace.com/publications/dispatch/peacewatch/Article-0.html

Palestinian genocide at the hands of Israel? You've got to be kidding me.

They are doing a real lousy job of it.







http://www.bridgesforpeace.com/publications/dispatch/peacewatch/Article-0.html

Ethnic Cleansing is a much better term for what is going on in the west bank. Israel is the beaten step child of world politics, they got horribly abused by the Russians, the Germans and just about everyone else so they are doing the same thing when they have the power