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I would have to abort the child. For its own sake as well as mine. By putting it up for adoption, you have to wonder where it is and is it okay. Abortion you have the situation under control.


As another question. Lets say that a girl and guy sleep together, the girl gets pregnant. The girl wants to have an abortion but the guy doesn't. And what about vice-versa?

in australia we have really bad abortion laws that need changing

I know that, but you can't cut-off a female rapists penis, so what's the equivalent?
And can a man get raped in the same sense, in all honesty?
You can spade them. And men can be raped in almost the same sense. It's harder, but fully possible. Also, virginity is not as big a deal in men, and men cannot be impregnated. So there is at least one major difference.

Well, no, i'm jsut wondering how hard it would be to find a man that would scream and squirm away from a hot chick that was trying to go for it.

Well, no, i'm jsut wondering how hard it would be to find a man that would scream and squirm away from a hot chick that was trying to go for it.
Ah, yes. I guess it is psycologically more difficult for a man to be raped. But I would just like to establish that this is a physiological trait, and saying that guys are just horny is not a good argument.

Ah, yes. I guess it is psycologically more difficult for a man to be raped. But I would just like to establish that this is a physiological trait, and saying that guys are just horny is not a good argument.
no no, just trying to get someone to acknowlege that trait. Everyone has kind-of ran-away from it, and I was wondering if someone would have the Gnostikos to respond to it.

Personally I'm against abortion, and because I'm a college student I'd be in a very bad place to take care of a child (not to mention the fact that I never want children). Soooooo.... I'd put the child up for adoption because than it would have the chance to come back years later to find me instead of being murdered (and don't pretend it isn't murder because you ARE getting rid of a life that could come into existence). I just feel like you should at least give the kid a chance to hate you for what you did.

Anyway, that's just my opinion.

P.S. - At least be creative about getting rid of the kid, for instance.... having your brother/husband eat the fetus from your womb.... Go Caligula! :D

no no, just trying to get someone to acknowlege that trait. Everyone has kind-of ran-away from it, and I was wondering if someone would have the Gnostikos to respond to it.
I've heard of cases of guys waking up to fid that a girl is having sex with him.
Largely male rape is the assalt of the anus by an object done by a man or a woman usually. In my work, i've come across 2 cases of this in 6 months.

I would have to say to the original poster that i would have an abortion. I'm 22, in a long term relationship, in a rented place and doing a phd. Neither me or my partner could raise a child and I ont thing that we would stay together as it would be too stressful and I couldnt be a single mother and do my phd. Actually I couldnt do my phd and have a baby simple as!

So you are against surrogacy too. The same conditions apply. Simply because one is planned and one is unplanned does not change the unwanted baby problem.

um, yes it does. think about what you just said.

So it's always child abuse, whatever the conditions.

a person who creates a child without being willing to care for it is committed neglect, which is a form of child abuse. any person who carries a fetus to term with the intent to put it up for adoption is a child abuser, in my opinion. is there something unclear about this?

Nice. So you feel that even if there is a viable third way in any particular case, it is still unethical, because it is not part of your weltanschauung.

no, i believe that what you suggested was not a viable third way.


Personally I think that anyone who becomes pregnant accidently should be sterilized, wether or not they choose an abortion. Clearly they are unable to accurately assess the potential risk of their actions, and therefore should be removed from the gene pool
now THAT is just plain stupid. sorry, but i call a spade a spade. that's like saying, "anybody who breaks their leg while skiing should have their legs cut off, because obviously they weren't able to accurately assess the potential risk of their actions."

No no no, my friend. Each year children are put up for adoption, and for most of them, it tears up the parents' hearts to see it happen. However, they do it because they know that it is better for the child. Why? Because when they get adopted, the family will be screened intensively, and the child will live in a better home. Most parents who give-up their children for adoptionusually don't even have a choice; the government declares that they must in the intrest of the child, and they do just that, in the intrest of the child. Giving up a child to adoption is usually for the child, so to generalize to the point you have is just disgusting. Sorry, but that's what it is, really.
you simply have not read my posts clearly enough. please read them more carefully before attempting to mount such a very high horse...i will not pull you down off it this time, to give you a second chance, but i warn you that it is a long fall. be more careful in teh future.

Well, no, i'm jsut wondering how hard it would be to find a man that would scream and squirm away from a hot chick that was trying to go for it.
oh, so you think rapists are all hotties? you think women squirm away from rapists because they are somehow so modest that they overcome their rapist's hotness, but men would be so smitten that they would give in? you think rape is about sex? it's about power, pain, abuse, and the rapist's desire to be in control, honey.

i cannot believe there are still people with such an ignorant view of rape. it's horrifying.

Personally I'm against abortion, and because I'm a college student I'd be in a very bad place to take care of a child (not to mention the fact that I never want children). Soooooo.... I'd put the child up for adoption because than it would have the chance to come back years later to find me instead of being murdered (and don't pretend it isn't murder because you ARE getting rid of a life that could come into existence). I just feel like you should at least give the kid a chance to hate you for what you did.

Anyway, that's just my opinion.

P.S. - At least be creative about getting rid of the kid, for instance.... having your brother/husband eat the fetus from your womb.... Go Caligula! :D

Are you then advocating that all fertile women should be continuosly impregnated? Because, by not letting that ovum get fertalized you ARE stopping a life that COULD come into existence. As you are not knocked up, that would make you a murderer by your own definition

Are you then advocating that all fertile women should be continuosly impregnated? Because, by not letting that ovum get fertalized you ARE stopping a life that COULD come into existence. As you are not knocked up, that would make you a murderer by your own definition
and all men must save every single viable sperm they produce in their lifetime, since if even one is lost or destroyed then they are a murderer.

I guess you're entitled to your opinion. No one can change that. I just think that selfishness and having sex without being ready for the consequences doesn't justify abortion.

Let's propose a hypotheical sitution: Happily married couple with two children, any more would be a financial strain that could possibly jepordize the welfare of the children they already have. In fact, the medical costs of involved in the necessary pre-natal care would make it difficult for them to provide a quality education for their two children, as they would have to choose between doctor's bills and tuition bills. The woman, having already had two childen, knows that if she were to carry another child to term, she would have a serious case of clinical depression that would last for about a year (yes, the hormonal changes and physical stresses of carrying a child to term do result in changes to the brain chemistry in very many women, even those who want the children and psychiatric medicine is not a preventitive or a quick fix nor and there is evidence that many of the medicines will harm a developing fetus). Obviously, a clinically depressed mother would be unable to provide the same level of quality care for her existing children (not to mention the possible strain on the marital relationship) as a non-clinically depressed mother. Are you saying this married couple should cease all sexual activity? Are you saying that if the couple does get pregnant in spite of using birth control that it is somehow less selfish of them to inflict hardship on each other and their pre-existing children than to abort a fetus which before the second trimester is not actually a life?

and all men must save every single viable sperm they produce in their lifetime, since if even one is lost or destroyed then they are a murderer.

Because

Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.
:p

Because

Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.
:p
i guess so. absurd as it sounds to us, there are people who seem to honestly think that preventing a life from coming into existence is the same thing as murder. of course, those people never put their money where their mouth is, and never actually live by their convictions, so they are open to our distain and mockery :).

i guess so. absurd as it sounds to us, there are people who seem to honestly think that preventing a life from coming into existence is the same thing as murder. of course, those people never put their money where their mouth is, and never actually live by their convictions, so they are open to our distain and mockery :).

Definitely. I don't see how anyone can say that it is compassionate to force someone to bear an unwanted child, thus letting another uncared for life come into the world when there are already millions of starving and uncared for children already. Strangely enough, the greater percentage of these people are all for cutting back on programs that would provide even minimum levels of care to the unwanted and even wanted poor children that already exist. Some even claim that anyone who votes to allow abortion to remain legal is a murderer. But they don't think cutting back on humanitarian aid and thus allowing an existing child to starve to death is murder. I think such people are living in a fantasy land and have not examined the actual motives behind their beliefs.

Definitely. I don't see how anyone can say that it is compassionate to force someone to bear an unwanted child, thus letting another uncared for life come into the world when there are already millions of starving and uncared for children already.

well, most of the people who oppose reproductive freedom also deny there is any problem with overpopulation. they also tend to minimize the number of children waiting for families, while exagerating the number of families who are looking to adopt. if you deny the problem, it is easy to ignore potential solutions :P.


Strangely enough, the greater percentage of these people are all for cutting back on programs that would provide even minimum levels of care to the unwanted and even wanted poor children that already exist.

well of course. once it is born they don't much care about its rights...after all, they want to give a fetus rights that no post-birth human has.


Some even claim that anyone who votes to allow abortion to remain legal is a murderer. But they don't think cutting back on humanitarian aid and thus allowing an existing child to starve to death is murder.

to be fair, i don't believe either is murder. but i do agree that the so-called "pro-life" stance is hypocritical because of the typical disregard for human life held by its proponents.


I think such people are living in a fantasy land and have not examined the actual motives behind their beliefs.
i think they are usually just misguided and poorly educated, not to mention far too convinced of their own importance. they believe that their personal opinions are more important than the rights and freedoms of other human beings, and they believe it is their right to impose their personal feelings on the bodies of others. i believe that better education can do away with 90% of the opposition to abortion rights...but, of course, pro-life people also tend to support the abolition of sex ed...and the snake continues to eat its own tail...

What do you mean 'if'? The famalies are screened, rather intensively I might add, to ensure that it is a good family, and are monitered afterward.

Ah, so very naive.

(a) Not all children that are put up for adoption actually get adopted - many simply get funneled from foster home to foster home.
(b) If you watch the news at all, you know how some foster kids get treated.
(c) The government does *not* carefully watch all adoptive families - often some fall through the cracks.
(d) Many adoptive parents (although I hope not the majority) lie to the kid their entire life. Then, when the kid finds out through other means that they were adopted, it is a severe trauma to their mental health.

And an abandonment complex is a minor complication compared to death, buddy.

This is a relative statement. How can mental anguish be minor compared to never even existing?

Interesting results here...very close to a majority in favour of abortion.
It would be interesting to compare these results with results that would come if we all were put in that situation tomorrow.

Three people I know have all got pregnant recently...they were all anti-abortion before the event, and said they would raise a kid if it happened.

When it came down to it, 1 had the kid and raised it, the other plans to have it adopted when its born, and the third had an abortion, and doesnt regret it.
Very interesting methinks...

Because

Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.
The Meaning of Life.

If you did not find my (yes seriious) reply humourus, then you must be a rapist, in which case, you should go jump off a bridge, as in real life


Ooo... I LOVE it when people say something to the effect of "if you don't agree with me, then you are obviously a monster and should die". What if i'm just not a sadist, and happen to disprove of torture?

i think they are usually just misguided and poorly educated, not to mention far too convinced of their own importance. they believe that their personal opinions are more important than the rights and freedoms of other human beings, and they believe it is their right to impose their personal feelings on the bodies of others. i believe that better education can do away with 90% of the opposition to abortion rights...but, of course, pro-life people also tend to support the abolition of sex ed...and the snake continues to eat its own tail...

Doing away with sex ed too, tsk tsk. Hmmm... one could very easily come to the conclusion that for some odd reason all of this points to a central agenda that wishes to make sex as dangerous as possible, especially for women.

Doing away with sex ed too, tsk tsk. Hmmm... one could very easily come to the conclusion that for some odd reason all of this points to a central agenda that wishes to make sex as dangerous as possible, especially for women.
That is a very good, and frightening, point. I don't think that there's a conspiracy to make sex dangerous for women, but it seems that what people want will result in those consequences. Though taking away sex ed. will also hurt men as well.

Interesting results here...very close to a majority in favour of abortion.
It would be interesting to compare these results with results that would come if we all were put in that situation tomorrow.

Three people I know have all got pregnant recently...they were all anti-abortion before the event, and said they would raise a kid if it happened.

When it came down to it, 1 had the kid and raised it, the other plans to have it adopted when its born, and the third had an abortion, and doesnt regret it.
Very interesting methinks...
im not sure its accurate to say almost a majority in favor. after all a goodly number of posters were MALE, reacting to the impossible.

others are saying they would have an abortion TODAY even if today they are celibate (in the future when they are sexually active they may have a totally different opinion)

and others are saying they would carry a child to term but that does not mean they would deny anyone else the right to abort.

That is a very good, and frightening, point. I don't think that there's a conspiracy to make sex dangerous for women, but it seems that what people want will result in those consequences. Though taking away sex ed. will also hurt men as well.

To be fair I don't think it is so much of a conspiracy as an ingrained mindset that having sex except under very limited conditions is immoral and therefore people deserve whatever consequences happen, and doing anything to lesson those consequences (sex ed) is bad. Until fairly recently disease was considered a secondary possible consequence. Denying sex-ed is not a recent devolpment (the advent of comprehensive sex-ed seems to have been a rational accident in what has otherwise been historically approached in a most irrational manner). In general, most people still consider it more immoral for a female to enjoy sex than for a male.

I had a pregnancy scare after I was raped and if I had gotten pregnant, I would have aborted.

Even now, I have no means of caring for a child, so that's what I'd do, although seeing as I'm not in a relationship right now, there's 0% chance of that happening. :P

Wow your 14 and your asking this? Ok its great your parents are supportive but: 2 girls from my (former i'm in college) school got pregnant. Both 19. Both extremely loviing and supportive parents. 1 girl had twins, her parents are very wealthy told her to fuck off. She now lives ina coucil house with her byfriend about 98km from her home. The other girl is lucky enough that her parents are supporting her while she finishes college. I have the upmost respect for these girls. Personally I think I would abort. As I would have to drop out of college to support a child. Again I have huge respect for single mothers and fathers but I couldn't provide for a child for at least the next 10 years. Realisticly I don't want kids at all I'm too career focused. My Mom says that will change but I'm not so sure.

The real question is if you were going to get an abortion would you tell the father? This is especially for Irish ppl as we have to make a trip to the UK and abortion is very taboo here.
Also if you were completely against abortion and your best friend wanted to travel to the uk or local clinic would you go with her?

The real question is if you were going to get an abortion would you tell the father? This is especially for Irish ppl as we have to make a trip to the UK and abortion is very taboo here.

i hardly think that is the "real" question. in fact, i think that is possibly the least important question in the abortion situation, slightly behind "what shall i have for breakfast on the morning of my abortion procedure." whether or not the father is happy with the decision is totally irrelevant to the issue.

personally, i would choose to tell the father if we were in a relationship. if not, i don't see the point. either way he would have no say in my decision.

While I am pro-choice, given my age and situtation, I would raise the child.

I'm 21 years old and in a relationship with a very sweet and nice guy who's very supportive. Plus, my parents would help out, since I'm trying to finish my post-secondary education and get a job.

I would keep the kid because I feel that I could raise it, even if I don't have all of my education because I can always go back later, and my boyfriend would help me out - because if he didn't, he'd feel my wrath. ^_^

I had a pregnancy scare after I was raped and if I had gotten pregnant, I would have aborted.

Even now, I have no means of caring for a child, so that's what I'd do, although seeing as I'm not in a relationship right now, there's 0% chance of that happening. :P
it boggles my mind that there are people who think it is RIGHT to force a woman to bear the child of her rapist. women have killed themselves for less.

the scare alone must have magnified the horror of the situation

it boggles my mind that there are people who think it is RIGHT to force a woman to bear the child of her rapist. women have killed themselves for less.

the scare alone must have magnified the horror of the situation
indeed. it is sickening to me that there are people who think ANY woman could justly be denied the right to control her own body, but to further compound that by including women who have already been violated...grrrr...no words...

Its life to take responsibility for your own actions, if you dont take response to your actions you can be punished. for example if i was to go get drunk and go stand in the street naked i will be punished for my actions(was a fun night), purely my actions, there is no one else i can blame for this. But sometimes there are people to blame. for example a group of thugs tie me up, force beer down my throat untill i was completly drunk, and then stripped me and put me in the street. the thugs would be to blame for their actions. (if they get caught, those bastards)

I feel the same on abortion. you are responsible for actions you take. if the two (sometimes more) of you take the chance of not using a condom or birth control and you get pregnant you are to blame. you should not blame anyone else for it and should not be allowed to kill that child. but if you were a rape victim (from humans or alien crossbreeding) you should be allowed to abort if you feel that the child is going to cause mental pain to you. another case may be if the mother has a life threatening case where if she gives birth she will die.

Its life to take responsibility for your own actions, if you dont take response to your actions you can be punished. for example if i was to go get drunk and go stand in the street naked i will be punished for my actions(was a fun night), purely my actions, there is no one else i can blame for this. But sometimes there are people to blame. for example a group of thugs tie me up, force beer down my throat untill i was completly drunk, and then stripped me and put me in the street. the thugs would be to blame for their actions. (if they get caught, those bastards)

I feel the same on abortion. you are responsible for actions you take. if the two (sometimes more) of you take the chance of not using a condom or birth control and you get pregnant you are to blame. you should not blame anyone else for it and should not be allowed to kill that child. but if you were a rape victim (from humans or alien crossbreeding) you should be allowed to abort if you feel that the child is going to cause mental pain to you. another case may be if the mother has a life threatening case where if she gives birth she will die.
and once again we see the disgusting attitude that having an abortion is irresponsible. i can't even begin to express how idiotic that is, and how much contempt i have for people who perpetuate that myth.

and once again we see the disgusting attitude that having an abortion is irresponsible. i can't even begin to express how idiotic that is, and how much contempt i have for people who perpetuate that myth.

it is irresponsible. what is not irresponsible about having sex, uh oh i got pregnant, i can just kill it.

if you have sex you must know what could happen, and you must take acceptance if something does happen

im going away for a few hours i will come back to see what morons have to say to defend abortion

Its life to take responsibility for your own actions, if you dont take response to your actions you can be punished. for example if i was to go get drunk and go stand in the street naked i will be punished for my actions(was a fun night), purely my actions, there is no one else i can blame for this. But sometimes there are people to blame. for example a group of thugs tie me up, force beer down my throat untill i was completly drunk, and then stripped me and put me in the street. the thugs would be to blame for their actions. (if they get caught, those bastards)

I feel the same on abortion. you are responsible for actions you take. if the two (sometimes more) of you take the chance of not using a condom or birth control and you get pregnant you are to blame. you should not blame anyone else for it and should not be allowed to kill that child. but if you were a rape victim (from humans or alien crossbreeding) you should be allowed to abort if you feel that the child is going to cause mental pain to you. another case may be if the mother has a life threatening case where if she gives birth she will die.

isnt that kinda like saying that if i drive without a seatbelt and get into a bad car accident i should be left to die in the street since it was my own fault?

im going away for a few hours i will come back to see what morons have to say to defend abortion
Quite simply, if you can abort a rape-fetus, why not a non-rape-fetus?

Obviously you don't give a shit about the "life" of the fetus, since you allow a raped woman to abort it.

So you're probably just somehow angry at women who have sex for pleasure, not procreation, and wish to punish them for it.

I see that attitude a lot, and it worries me.

Quite simply, if you can abort a rape-fetus, why not a non-rape-fetus?

Obviously you don't give a shit about the "life" of the fetus, since you allow a raped woman to abort it.

So you're probably just somehow angry at women who have sex for pleasure, not procreation, and wish to punish them for it.

I see that attitude a lot, and it worries me.
Me too...it worries me as well..

I'm so glad no one bothered to respond to my post (I think on page 17 if I recall correctly).

How many of you pro-life people have gotten raped?

Because before you have been raped and have been disrespected and emotionally destroyed in such a way, I don't really think you can make a decision for a rape-victim.

In my situation, I didn't get pregnant from the situation, but I still get flashbacks of being completely abused and disrespected. Someone USED my body without my consent and it is a hugely emotionally breaking experience.

As I said (and I'll repeat), I don't think it would mentally healthy AT ALL for me to carry my rapist's baby full term, not to mention the fact that he was considerably mentally ill. That would have been 9 months of absolute hell.

I'm so glad no one bothered to respond to my post (I think on page 17 if I recall correctly).

How many of you pro-life people have gotten raped?

Because before you have been raped and have been disrespected and emotionally destroyed in such a way, I don't really think you can make a decision for a rape-victim.

In my situation, I didn't get pregnant from the situation, but I still get flashbacks of being completely abused and disrespected. Someone USED my body without my consent and it is a hugely emotionally breaking experience.

As I said (and I'll repeat), I don't think it would mentally healthy AT ALL for me to carry my rapist's baby full term, not to mention the fact that he was considerably mentally ill. That would have been 9 months of absolute hell.
And this is why many pro-lifers make exception for rape victims.

Mostly for the girls, but guys you can play along too and imagine you're female. Suppose that tomorrow, you found out you were pregnant, and it was too late for the Pill. Never mind if you're a virgin (like me) or whatever; just go along with the question. Would have an abortion, carry the baby but put it up for adoption, or simply raise the child?

Also please give your age and general situation - e.g. have your kids already left the house, are you engaged, single, a teenager in a supportive home and relationship, 7th grader whose parents would kill you?

I'm 14, a 9th grader, and my parents are very supportive. I'm not in a relationship. I believe I would raise the child. Even though I'm pro-choice, I'm personally opposed to abortion and believe it would be traumatic for me. Adoption would seem to be a guiltless middleground way to shirk responsibility, but I'd still end up wondering where they might be and what if they came back as adults looking for their blood parents? Thus, I think that simply raising them would be the best of the options.

What they said. POWA!

I'm completely pro-choice, but I think that abortion is a last resort kind of thing and would be traumatic to the mother. What I think would be more traumatic however, is growing up knowing that your mother wanted to get an abortion instead of having you but couldn't because it was illegal.

And this is why many pro-lifers make exception for rape victims.
Only some. Others say to keep the baby to term, then give it up for adoption.

Only some. Others say to keep the baby to term, then give it up for adoption.

Exactly. That's what I was responding to.

Only some. Others say to keep the baby to term, then give it up for adoption.
All the pro-life people that I know are willing to make exceptions in two cases, rape, and a serious threat (at least 65% likelyhood) of the mother's death. I always have heard of making exceptions from all pro-life people I have talked to. Obviously I have not talked to enough.

All the pro-life people that I know are willing to make exceptions in two cases, rape, and a serious threat (at least 65% likelyhood) of the mother's death. I always have heard of making exceptions from all pro-life people I have talked to. Obviously I have not talked to enough.
Holy crap, 65% is incredibly high. That's basically telling the mother "If you flip a coin, it's not even that likely you'll survive". And that means that you really don't give a damn about the actual fœtūs, if you're willing to sacrifice it if the woman has been raped. That's still murder, by your definition, isn't it? Why is murder justified then, when it is no fault of the fœtus that it even exists?

And this is why many pro-lifers make exception for rape victims.
yes but in a pro-lifers perfect world where abortion is limited to rape, incest and life of the mother, what PROOF would be required of a rape victim?

is a police report enough? it sure wouldnt have gone through the courts yet, so the rapist is still presumed innocent.

is her word enough? not in a perfect pro-life world! that would allow ANY woman who wanted an abortion to just claim rape.

would she have to tell her story over and over again to various committees who get to decide her fate? submit to repeated exams? have her morals and judgement questioned over and over as often happens in rape cases?

would it not end up another nightmare for a rape victim to have to go through just to satisfy someone elses sense of morality?

yes but in a pro-lifers perfect world where abortion is limited to rape, incest and life of the mother, what PROOF would be required of a rape victim?

is a police report enough? it sure wouldnt have gone through the courts yet, so the rapist is still presumed innocent.

is her word enough? not in a perfect pro-life world! that would allow ANY woman who wanted an abortion to just claim rape.

would she have to tell her story over and over again to various committees who get to decide her fate? submit to repeated exams? have her morals and judgement questioned over and over as often happens in rape cases?

would it not end up another nightmare for a rape victim to have to go through just to satisfy someone elses sense of morality?

I couldn't have said it better!

And this is why many pro-lifers make exception for rape victims.

And what they don't realise it that that stance seems to suggest, certainly to me, that they don't give a damn about the fetus AT ALL, and just want to punish women for enjoying sex.

"She had sex! Make her have the child! That'll learn her! If she doesn't have to give birth, women everywhere will KEEP ENJOYING SEX!
...
Oh? She was raped? Well, that's alright then. It wasn't her choice, aaaand, she probably didn't enjoy it... and women probably won't go out getting raped if we let her abort, so yeah. What the hell, let her abort."

yes but in a pro-lifers perfect world where abortion is limited to rape, incest and life of the mother, what PROOF would be required of a rape victim?

is a police report enough? it sure wouldnt have gone through the courts yet, so the rapist is still presumed innocent.

is her word enough? not in a perfect pro-life world! that would allow ANY woman who wanted an abortion to just claim rape.

would she have to tell her story over and over again to various committees who get to decide her fate? submit to repeated exams? have her morals and judgement questioned over and over as often happens in rape cases?

would it not end up another nightmare for a rape victim to have to go through just to satisfy someone elses sense of morality?
All that I think would be required is a police report. And probably a grand jury indictment (that is obtained fairly quickly isn't it, I don't know, I've never studied law much). These two documents would be pretty sufficient to indicate rape and are not too easy to obtain unless it is true.

"She had sex! Make her have the child! That'll learn her! If she doesn't have to give birth, women everywhere will KEEP ENJOYING SEX!
...
Oh? She was raped? Well, that's alright then. It wasn't her choice, aaaand, she probably didn't enjoy it... and women probably won't go out getting raped if we let her abort, so yeah. What the hell, let her abort."
Hear, hear! I couldn't've put it better myself. I mean that literally, you phrased that extremely well.

And what they don't realise it that that stance seems to suggest, certainly to me, that they don't give a damn about the fetus AT ALL, and just want to punish women for enjoying sex.

"She had sex! Make her have the child! That'll learn her! If she doesn't have to give birth, women everywhere will KEEP ENJOYING SEX!
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Oh? She was raped? Well, that's alright then. It wasn't her choice, aaaand, she probably didn't enjoy it... and women probably won't go out getting raped if we let her abort, so yeah. What the hell, let her abort."
I pretty much made my judgements off of the potential harm (both physical and emotional) to the mother versus the guaranteed harm (death) of the fetus. Forcing a woman to give birth to a child that has been forced upon her would be very emotionally damaging to the mother. Everytime she sees the child she would remember that horrible moment in her life. I don't care if women enjoy sex, honestly I hope they are enjoying sex when I have it with them. However once you have had sex you have made your choice and you must live with the consequences. If someone I have had sex with gets pregnant I will support the child financially and help raise the child, because that is the right thing to do.

14 years old and male- If by some twisted turn of events I actually could have a kid, I'd probably put them up for adoption. I've never held a strong stance on abortion, since I've heard nothing to prove strongly when life begins. Obviously since I'm only 14 I couldn't properly care for a child, so adoption is the best bet for me.

All that I think would be required is a police report. And probably a grand jury indictment (that is obtained fairly quickly isn't it, I don't know, I've never studied law much). These two documents would be pretty sufficient to indicate rape and are not too easy to obtain unless it is true.

If the woman didn't know her rapist, there may *never* be a grand jury indictment, even if she reports it.

If the woman didn't know her rapist, there may *never* be a grand jury indictment, even if she reports it.
exactly
and since then all a woman would have to do is say she was raped by a stranger that she didnt get a good look at in order to get a police report, no pro-lifer would allow THAT! more important to make sure that no consenting-sex-having woman would be able to get an abortion than to be compassionate to the suffering.

I'd have raise the baby. I'm strongly pro-choice, and don't plan on having children yet, but I'm engaged, and I'd like to have kids eventually. Plus I just am not someone who could get an abortion, though I support any other woman's right to do so.

Quite simply, if you can abort a rape-fetus, why not a non-rape-fetus?

Obviously you don't give a shit about the "life" of the fetus, since you allow a raped woman to abort it.

So you're probably just somehow angry at women who have sex for pleasure, not procreation, and wish to punish them for it.

I see that attitude a lot, and it worries me.

I do care about life deeply, but the issue about a "rape-fetus" is that the mother can develop deep mental problems just from giving birth to the "rape-fetus". Abortion itself can cause very deep mentall problems within the woman, But rape victims will have deeper and larger problems by giving birth to it. Why take 2 lifes when it is possible to calm the problem down with just one.

also think of the childs life, if the child was to be born. it would have two options, adoption and having its birth mother bring it up. adoption would be better then abortion but the system is still crap. and being brought up by the mother, it would probably haunt the mother and the mother may not take to much care of it. and once grown may ressemble the father (the rapist) and cause even deeper mental problems within the mother.

so its not about me not caring about life, its about would you like to destroy 2 lifes or 1.

I do care about life deeply, but the issue about a "rape-fetus" is that the mother can develop deep mental problems just from giving birth to the "rape-fetus". Abortion itself can cause very deep mentall problems within the woman, But rape victims will have deeper and larger problems by giving birth to it. Why take 2 lifes when it is possible to calm the problem down with just one.

also think of the childs life, if the child was to be born. it would have two options, adoption and having its birth mother bring it up. adoption would be better then abortion but the system is still crap. and being brought up by the mother, it would probably haunt the mother and the mother may not take to much care of it. and once grown may ressemble the father (the rapist) and cause even deeper mental problems within the mother.

so its not about me not caring about life, its about would you like to destroy 2 lifes or 1.
alright, im a guy so this is an interesting question. im engaged and id say raise the kid, but say my fiance was raped, i honestly would have trouble being with her let alone letting the kid in my house, jsut the thought...

Abortion.

I may be prime age for raising a kid, (25yrs old) but am not mentally ready to take care of a child. Nor do I particularly relish the idea of carrying a child around only to put it up for adoption.

I don't think that would happen though. I plan to be sexually active in the near future, but I'm no ignorant. I'm using birth control and my honey knows he's not allowed anywhere near me naked without a condom. XP

- Asylum Nova

Abortion.

I may be prime age for raising a kid, (25yrs old) but am not mentally ready to take care of a child. Nor do I particularly relish the idea of carrying a child around only to put it up for adoption.

I don't think that would happen though. I plan to be sexually active in the near future, but I'm no ignorant. I'm using birth control and my honey knows he's not allowed anywhere near me naked without a condom. XP

- Asylum Nova
condoms are horrible... horrible... horrible...

I do care about life deeply, but the issue about a "rape-fetus" is that the mother can develop deep mental problems just from giving birth to the "rape-fetus". Abortion itself can cause very deep mentall problems within the woman, But rape victims will have deeper and larger problems by giving birth to it. Why take 2 lifes when it is possible to calm the problem down with just one.

also think of the childs life, if the child was to be born. it would have two options, adoption and having its birth mother bring it up. adoption would be better then abortion but the system is still crap. and being brought up by the mother, it would probably haunt the mother and the mother may not take to much care of it. and once grown may ressemble the father (the rapist) and cause even deeper mental problems within the mother.

so its not about me not caring about life, its about would you like to destroy 2 lifes or 1.

Everything in that post can be equally applied to *any* woman forced to carry *any* unwanted pregnancy.

I'd punch her in the stomach.

Personally, I'm against abortion even in a case of rape.

It wasn't your fault, no, but it wasn't the child's either. Yes, a horrible thing has happened, possibly the worst crime there is, moreso even than murder. But I can tell you from my experience, knowing someone whom this had happened to, do you honestly think that killing the child would make you feel better? No, chances are it'll make you feel worse. My friend felt worse about the abortion than the rape.

What was that line: Abortion leaves one dead and one wounded. Trust me, I know the later is true.

Personally, I'm against abortion even in a case of rape.

It wasn't your fault, no, but it wasn't the child's either. Yes, a horrible thing has happened, possibly the worst crime there is, moreso even than murder. But I can tell you from my experience, knowing someone whom this had happened to, do you honestly think that killing the child would make you feel better? No, chances are it'll make you feel worse. My friend felt worse about the abortion than the rape.

What was that line: Abortion leaves one dead and one wounded. Trust me, I know the later is true.

Please use proper terminology. There is no *child* involved in early term abortion, by any definition of the word that doesn't include your blood cells. The proper term is embryo, or in rare cases, fetus.

I feel the same on abortion. you are responsible for actions you take. if the two (sometimes more) of you take the chance of not using a condom or birth control and you get pregnant you are to blame. you should not blame anyone else for it and should not be allowed to kill that child. but if you were a rape victim (from humans or alien crossbreeding) you should be allowed to abort if you feel that the child is going to cause mental pain to you. another case may be if the mother has a life threatening case where if she gives birth she will die.

so what happens when a pregnancy results when both a birth control pill and a condom are used?

condom and diaphragm?

et c.

Is this a good thread to tell dead baby/embryo jokes on?


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^ Dosent want to pay child support

^Stupid baby/embryo with semi detatched legs and arms.

Is this a good thread to tell dead baby/embryo jokes on?


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^ Dosent want to pay child support

^Stupid baby/embryo with semi detatched legs and arms.
you're a jackass for saying that.

Please use proper terminology. There is no *child* involved in early term abortion, by any definition of the word that doesn't include your blood cells. The proper term is embryo, or in rare cases, fetus.

See, here's the problem, you'd rather reassert your position than listen to mine. By doing this, you miss the point, and I'm begining to realize why you're so pro-abortion.

As a male, I'd take the position of "we messed up, didn't use adequate protection, why should we make the kid pay?" route. I'd say an adoption would be best. But I'd stay with the girl, and help support her all the way until the adoption could occur.

Dont take life seriously your not getting out alive anyways.

Dont take life seriously your not getting out alive anyways.
true

am male, and willing to have a kid. But not when fate decides, I mean a kid needs two parents. So, I vote for an abortion, if the pregnancy is less than 2 * 100% wanted.

I'm 39 and both my kids are almost grown up. I would love to have a new baby in the house! :) Especially an unplanned one, which would save me from having to decide... because I can't make up my mind whether we should have one or not. And my boyfriend isn't so sure, either. I keep having this dream that I stop using contraception without telling him (something I wouldn't do in waking life, so don't worry, if you happen to reading this, baby!)

An unplanned pregnancy would be worth a bloody fortune to me.

Largely because I'm male.

Magazine articles, endorsements, movie rights, t-shirt sales, souvenir stem cells, trading cards....oh, yes.

Mostly for the girls, but guys you can play along too and imagine you're female. Suppose that tomorrow, you found out you were pregnant, and it was too late for the Pill. Never mind if you're a virgin (like me) or whatever; just go along with the question. Would have an abortion, carry the baby but put it up for adoption, or simply raise the child?

Also please give your age and general situation - e.g. have your kids already left the house, are you engaged, single, a teenager in a supportive home and relationship, 7th grader whose parents would kill you?

Well I would be very happy and probably have a party to celebrate it. ;) I definately wouldn't abort or adopt the baby out because I want children, planned or unplanned. I would prefer to wait a until I got a bit older to have kids though (I'm 19).

Everything in that post can be equally applied to *any* woman forced to carry *any* unwanted pregnancy.
rape can happen to any woman, but a woman that has sex and gets pregnant is not the same. she most likley has strong feelings for who ever she had sex with. rape victims hate and are scared of the person who raped them, but people who have sex generally love each other.

If I suddenly found myself pregnant, and could confirm this with a doctor, I would probably try and find a publicity agent. I would become rich and famous.

so what happens when a pregnancy results when both a birth control pill and a condom are used?

condom and diaphragm?

et c.
thats rare and even so they still took the chance.

If I suddenly found myself pregnant, and could confirm this with a doctor, I would probably try and find a publicity agent. I would become rich and famous.
Arnold became pregnant in the movie "junior"

rape can happen to any woman, but a woman that has sex and gets pregnant is not the same. she most likley has strong feelings for who ever she had sex with. rape victims hate and are scared of the person who raped them, but people who have sex generally love each other.

I... don't know if I agree with that 'sex for love' stuff... I've had sex a few times, and I certainly didn't love any of the guys. Some of us just happen to enjoy sex, and not be religious enough to consider it 'immoral', and not give a damn what people think about us.

If I got pregnant to a man I didn't love, I'd be just as disgusted by the thought of giving birth to the child as I would if I'd been raped, because I think that giving birth to a child I don't want would be incredibly, incredibly selfish on my part.

Just my worthless 2c, I guess...

See, here's the problem, you'd rather reassert your position than listen to mine.

Correct terminology has nothing to do with position.

By doing this, you miss the point, and I'm begining to realize why you're so pro-abortion.

I am *in no way* "pro-abortion." Perhaps you shouldn't make stupid assumptions.

rape can happen to any woman, but a woman that has sex and gets pregnant is not the same. she most likley has strong feelings for who ever she had sex with. rape victims hate and are scared of the person who raped them, but people who have sex generally love each other.

Which is besides the point. Any woman forced to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term has an extreme risk of psychological problems and suicidal tendencies. The percentages may be higher in rape victims, as they have already been violated once, and forcing them to give their body to another against their will would be a *second* violation.