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What had America done before that promted the September 11th attacks. What is it now, (besides what I can only see to be retalitory conflicts) that cause Muslims across the world to cite America as their enemy?

Israel.

Seriously.

Israel.

Seriously.

Is that it? If that is the case why only America. Loads of other country's have done nothing to stop Israel do what it is doing.

We keep Vetoing everything in the UN. Plus, any nation that acts alone will almost certainly have the US Come down on their ass.

I personally think it's stupid. Israel is defending itself and other nations are accusing them of being the terrorists.

Idiots these days, can't even properly identify the rightful Terrorists...like Bush.

They extremists hate our freedom and are jealous of our strength and success. Our women don't cover up, we are free to embrace any religion (or no religion), blasphemy is protected by free speech, we don't eat halal foods exclusively, we allow homosexuality, etc. We don't enforce islamic law, yet we prosper. It's an affront to their religious beleifs.

They were upset that we put troops on Muslim land during the first Gulf War. They also don't like the fact that we support Israel, not so much that we aren't making Israel stop what they are doing but that we are giving them billions of dollars a year to keep doing what they are doing. Which is only right seeing as soon as we stop supporting them Israel will get attacked on all sides again by the Arab nations will most likely win again and then the Arabs will be upset that they lost their land to Israel again and run more planes into buildings.

They extremists hate our freedom and are jealous of our strenght and success. Our women don't cover up, we are free to embrace any religion (or no religion), blasphemy is protected by free speech, we don't eat halal foods exclusively, we allow homosexuality, etc. We don't enforce islamic law, yet we prosper. It's an affront to their religious beleifs.

Pretty much all of that too.

Is that it? If that is the case why only America. Loads of other country's have done nothing to stop Israel do what it is doing.
But unlike a load of other countries the US constantly, even today, supports Israel with money and weapons and vetoes every UN resolution made against them.

Well, I live in England, and I can say that quite a lot of Brits think the Americans are thick and corrupt. I do to some extent - not all (I've only been to NY, and *most* of them seemed quite sharp, except the ones who couldn't understand my quaint accent) - but "do they have leprechauns/houses in Ireland" and voting Bush the unChristian hypocrite doesn't do them favours. Also their relentless backing in Israel and not attempting to halt the violence, excessive capitalism, etc.

Oh and, some Muslims are completely over the top. Not most, though.

It's because of our backing of Israel in the conflict there.

While I am not a fan of unconditionally backing *any* country, Israel does have the right to defend itself (<- this is coming from somebody who criticizes both Israeli and Palestinian leaders)

Besides, Hamas and Hezbollah would probably get so pissed at us if we decided to back even a Palestinian moderate (all coz it's America)

And I think it's also because of our meddling with other Middle Eastern affaires.


Then again I could be wrong about all I just posted, so feel free to say so

But unlike a load of other countries the US constantly, even today, supports Israel with money and weapons and vetoes every UN resolution made against them.
Most of the UN resolutions agaisnt Israel are not motivated out of a desire for justice and peace, but out of a hatred for Jews and a desire to please the oil-rich arab gulf states. Israel has comported itself with great restraint.

Most of the UN resolutions agaisnt Israel are not motivated out of a desire for justice and peace, but out of a hatred for Jews and a desire to please the oil-rich arab gulf states. Israel has comported itself with great restraint.
:rolleyes: Sure....

:rolleyes: Sure....
You do realize that the UN is quite corrupt already, don't you? (Kofi's son taking bribes, all that sexual misconduct, failing to denounce the genocides of Rwanda and Sudan)

No one picked up yet that the USA has stationed troops in their holy land, Saudi Arabia. Many Muslims hate the American presence in their holy cities of Mecca and Medina.

No one picked up yet that the USA has stationed troops in their holy land, Saudi Arabia. Many Muslims hate the American presence in their holy cities of Mecca and Medina.
Collegeland mentioned it. And it's true except that no non-beleivers are allowed in Mecca.

Collegeland mentioned it. And it's true except that no non-beleivers are allowed in Mecca.

my mistake,

but i can imagine many christians getting pissed if there were Muslims troops in and around the Vatican

my mistake,

but i can imagine many christians getting pissed if there were Muslims troops in and around the Vatican
Not if they behaved themselves with respect and were there at the invitation of the government. US troops in general do behave themselves with respect, and are in Saudi with the Saudi government's consent.

You do realize that the UN is quite corrupt already, don't you? (Kofi's son taking bribes, all that sexual misconduct, failing to denounce the genocides of Rwanda and Sudan)
You do realize the US could teach the UN a thing or 5 about corruption do you? And Kofu Annan wasn't always general secretary.

You do realize the US could teach the UN a thing or 5 about corruption do you? And Kofu Annan wasn't always general secretary.
Ok I admit my government is corrupt - aren't all governments, really?

Anything that is associated with power is at least partly corrupt. That is just the way things go. Look at any country's government hard enough and you will find corruption. You could almost take that a step further and say anything with people involved in it will be corrupt as people themselves are corrupt and will almost always try to get more for themselves (whether it's power or money or whatever else they are getting, doesn't really matter, they just want more). So let's not argue about who is more corrupt. The fact is that the UN decided to create Israel for the Jews way back in the 1940s and since then has not done a damn thing to help their existance. In fact, the UN seems to want to see Israel destroyed, everytime Israel does something to defend itself or make itself safer the UN will pass some resolution condeming them.

But this is not a thread based on that. So to answer the question posed in the thread. The muslims hate us for a couple reasons, we put troops in their land during the first gulf war, we support Israel, we are doing better than they are in the world and we do not force everyone to follow Muslim beliefs as we have this little thing called freedom of religion.

Israel, our oil ties, and the fact that we're lewd Americans.

* Support of Israeli military actions.

* Most Muslims don't like living under corrupt dictatorships that are propped up by the US.

* They don't like US troops living on "holy land".

Ok I admit my government is corrupt - aren't all governments, really?

Of course not, only the evil American empire and every demon-possessed citizen of it are corrupt, malicious monsters.

and the fact that we're lewd Americans.
Or it could be that they are ub3r-prud3

Of course not, only the evil American empire and every demon-possessed citizen of it are corrupt, malicious monsters.
You got that right. Bloodsucking fiends.

All governments are corrupt. It is just that America is under so much scrutiny since other coutnries want to pick on every little thing wrong with America to make themselves feel better that our corruption is more often exposed. The UN is exposed as corrupt simply because they are so corrupt. But once again, if every government were under the same scrutiny as the US is I would wager that about 80% are at least as corrupt if not more so.

You got that right. Bloodsucking fiends.

What was that? Sorry, I was just feasting on the intestines of hardworking peoples from such industrious nations like... Myanmar.

All governments are corrupt. It is just that America is under so much scrutiny since other coutnries want to pick on every little thing wrong with America to make themselves feel better that our corruption is more often exposed. The UN is exposed as corrupt simply because they are so corrupt. But once again, if every government were under the same scrutiny as the US is I would wager that about 80% are at least as corrupt if not more so.

*GASP* No, you're WRONG! You can't criticize the UN! You're either with it or against it, you right-wing nutjob! ;)

What was that? Sorry, I was just feasting on the intestines of hardworking peoples from such industrious nations like... Myanmar.
I asked if you would like some salt with that.

Okay, the following are all of the reasons that I'm aware for many Arabs and/or Muslims in the Middle East hating the United States:

1. The United States supports the Israeli government with weapons and money. While Israel does have a right to defend itself, it has at times been a bit excessive with tactics against the Palestinians. This isn't to say the Palestinians aren't guilty of being just as brutal, which they are, but Israel has the superior weapons and technology. When you're fighting people whose main weapons are rocks and bombs strapped to themselves, tanks and helicopters DON'T seem to be appropriate counter-weapons...

2. The United States has Vetoed every Resolution against Israel in the United Nations. Despite the UN's corruption, it is still viewed by many as the forum of world opinion...whatever the UN says is regarded as the voice of the world's nations. The United States is viewed as using its power to protect the "guilty" Israelis. Whether or not this is true is another matter; I, myself, do not have enough information to corraborate these claims.

3. The United States supports the Saudi Royal Family, one of the most brutal and extremist regimes in the world. While Israel is a big reason for Anti-Americanism in the Middle East, our support of the Saudis is an even BIGGER reason. Why do you think nearly ALL of the 9/11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia? Why do you think there is so much hatred for the US in one of its closest allies? It is because we support a regime far worse than Saddam Hussein's. And why? For the oil. For money. When you think about it, its absolutely no wonder why so many Arabs believe the United States is evil and corrupt...look at who are "friends" are.

Salt would be good, how bout some oil on the side?

Salt would be good, how bout some oil on the side?
*hands over salt* Crude or salad oil?

*hands over salt* Crude or salad oil?

:D

*GASP* No, you're WRONG! You can't criticize the UN! You're either with it or against it, you right-wing nutjob!

If I have to choose I choose against it. America should just quit the UN. I mean what good is it anyways? ;)

Okay, the following are all of the reasons that I'm aware for many Arabs and/or Muslims in the Middle East hating the United States:

1. The United States supports the Israeli government with weapons and money. While Israel does have a right to defend itself, it has at times been a bit excessive with tactics against the Palestinians. This isn't to say the Palestinians aren't guilty of being just as brutal, which they are, but Israel has the superior weapons and technology. When you're fighting people whose main weapons are rocks and bombs strapped to themselves, tanks and helicopters DON'T seem to be appropriate counter-weapons...

2. The United States has Vetoed every Resolution against Israel in the United Nations. Despite the UN's corruption, it is still viewed by many as the forum of world opinion...whatever the UN says is regarded as the voice of the world's nations. The United States is viewed as using its power to protect the "guilty" Israelis. Whether or not this is true is another matter; I, myself, do not have enough information to corraborate these claims.

3. The United States supports the Saudi Royal Family, one of the most brutal and extremist regimes in the world. While Israel is a big reason for Anti-Americanism in the Middle East, our support of the Saudis is an even BIGGER reason. Why do you think nearly ALL of the 9/11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia? Why do you think there is so much hatred for the US in one of its closest allies? It is because we support a regime far worse than Saddam Hussein's. And why? For the oil. For money. When you think about it, its absolutely no wonder why so many Arabs believe the United States is evil and corrupt...look at who are "friends" are.
1 What weapons do you suggest the Israelis use? The palestinians don't just have rocks and suicide bombers, they have military rifles, RPGs and rockets that can hit Israel from the palestinian territories in Gaza and the West bank. Israel has IMHO shown enormous restraint considering how many of it's civilians have been killed.
2 The resolutions only have support because every muslim country wants to see Israel destroyed and most European countries want to make the muslims happy so they will have markets for their goods and oil for their industry. If a few Jews get killed many Europeans won't lose any sleep.
3 You got me on this one. We do support a terrible regime. The alternative right now seems worse. A radical Islamic theocracy.

Why are Muslims hostile to the US? There are multiple reasons as stated, but I think the most blatant trigger is of course the US patronage of Israel. As for Most of the UN resolutions agaisnt Israel are not motivated out of a desire for justice and peace, but out of a hatred for Jews and a desire to please the oil-rich arab gulf states. Israel has comported itself with great restraint. Puh-lease!
For instance
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=cache:QUsuUoiCx6IJ:www.fpif.org/pdf/vol6/32ifexjud.pdf+US+support+israeli+breaches+of+policy&hl=en&client=google
Israel has stated publicly that it intends to pursue a policy of targeting and killing Palestinian militants. Togenerate support for its policy, Israel opened new publicaffairs offices, created a delicate vocabulary, and pre-sented an emotionally compelling argument. ManyAmerican policymakers, officials, and media commenta-tors have echoed Israeli arguments. However, whatAmerican officials are advocating in their support forIsrael is a state-sanctioned policy of extrajudicial killing.This is unprecedented.Most governments that conduct assassinations, whetherof dissidents, political adversaries, or members of rebelgroups, either conduct them covertly or categoricallydeny them. No government can implement a state pol-icy of executing people without due legal proceedingsand not incur international condemnation. Suchkillings violate internationalhumanitarian law, internation-al criminal law, and humanrights protocols.Under the Fourth GenevaConvention (ratified by Israelin 1951), extrajudicial killingsconstitute “grave breaches”and are subject to internation-al jurisdiction. The severitythat the U.S. attaches to extra-judicial killings is reflected inthe State Department’s annualhuman rights report. The firstitem listed under its account-ing of human rights abuses isextrajudicial killings
http://www.globalpolicy.org/unitedstates/unpolicy/gen2003/0415moral.htm
The most extensive violator of UN Security Council resolutions is Israel, by far the largest recipient of US military and economic aid. These include resolutions 262 and 267 that demand Israel rescind its annexation of greater East Jerusalem, as well as the more than a dozen other resolutions demanding Israel cease its violations of the Fourth Geneva Convention, such as deportations, demolitions of homes, collective punishment, and seizure of private property.

UN Security Council resolutions 446, 452 and 465 require that Israel evacuate all of its illegal settlements on occupied Arab lands. The United States, however, insists the fate of the settlements is a matter of Israeli-Palestinian negotiations. In fact, the Clinton Peace Plan of December 2000 would have allowed Israel to illegally annex most of these settlements and surrounding areas into Israel, dividing the West Bank into non-contiguous Palestinian cantons separated by expanded Israeli territory that the Palestinians would be required to recognize. Even more disturbing, the US decision to help fund Israel's construction of Jewish-only "bypass roads" in the occupied West Bank to connect the illegal settlements with Israel puts the United States in violation of Article 7 of resolution 465, which prohibits member states from facilitating Israel's colonisation drive.

Furthermore, the United States has successfully pressured the Security Council to pass resolutions dealing with its allies only under Chapter VI of the UN Charter, which falls under “Pacific Settlement of Disputes,” which limit the Security Council’s ability to enforce them. By contrast, the United States has successfully insisted that resolutions dealing with Iraq, Libya, Sudan, Iran and other countries the United States does not like be passed under Chapter VII of the UN Charter, “Threats to the Peace, Breaches of the Peace, and Acts of Aggression,” which provides for an array of possible enforcement mechanisms, including economic sanctions and military force.

As a result, there have been cases where relatively minor disputes – such as those involving extradition issues – have been placed under Chapter VII, whereas major acts of aggression in direct violation of the UN Charter – such as the invasion, occupation and annexation by one country of another – have been placed under Chapter VI


As for those who bag the UN for being corrupt and indecisive In other words, no country has done more to compromise the authority of the United Nations Security Council and its enforcement mechanisms than has the United States.

And you really wonder?

Why are Muslims hostile to the US? There are multiple reasons as stated, but I think the most blatant trigger is of course the US patronage of Israel. As for Puh-lease!
For instance
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=cache:QUsuUoiCx6IJ:www.fpif.org/pdf/vol6/32ifexjud.pdf+US+support+israeli+breaches+of+policy&hl=en&client=google

http://www.globalpolicy.org/unitedstates/unpolicy/gen2003/0415moral.htm



As for those who bag the UN for being corrupt and indecisive

And you really wonder?
So rather than have "extra judicial killings" of the terrorist ringleaders what would you have Israel do? Cease to exist or just go in and kill the hell out of the palestinina population. It seems to me that killing only those responsible is the best strategy. Since when does the enemy during a war get a trial before he is killed?

I would have them abide by the treaties that they willingly ratified.

I am not anti-Israel btw, I am just venturing an opinion on the topic of this thread. I do wish they'd abide by the laws and treaties they signed, though.

So rather than have "extra judicial killings" of the terrorist ringleaders what would you have Israel do? Cease to exist or just go in and kill the hell out of the palestinina population. It seems to me that killing only those responsible is the best strategy. Since when does the enemy during a war get a trial before he is killed?

Is desecrating bodies also a regular part of war too? Here is an article detailing their "restraint"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1361755,00.html

All governments are corrupt. It is just that America is under so much scrutiny since other coutnries want to pick on every little thing wrong with America to make themselves feel better that our corruption is more often exposed. The UN is exposed as corrupt simply because they are so corrupt. But once again, if every government were under the same scrutiny as the US is I would wager that about 80% are at least as corrupt if not more so.
I'll admit that the prime minister of my country is a bit of a crook who takes money from businessmen (I didn't vote for his party anyway), but very few countries' governments even come close to the depth and global scale of American *oppressing entire nations for private business interests* corruption.

If I have to choose I choose against it. America should just quit the UN. I mean what good is it anyways? ;)
What good is it? Well, it at least tries to prevent the world from slipping into the chaos of the pre-WW2 period.

Not if they behaved themselves with respect and were there at the invitation of the government. US troops in general do behave themselves with respect, and are in Saudi with the Saudi government's consent.

But the US troops are there mainly because the US wants them to be. The Saudi Government would get rid of the US troops if it could- the American presence in Saudi Arabia is deeply resented by most Saudi's

It is just that America is under so much scrutiny since other coutnries want to pick on every little thing wrong with America to make themselves feel better that our corruption is more often exposed.Er... No. It is that said corruption and culture is forced onto the rest of the world and the corruption of the US is so blatant to the eyes of those watching. Nitpicking is not required. Even those trying not to see it have to admit it eventually. I have read a lot of posters (presumably from the US) on here writing that the US should withdraw from everything and "see how the world likes that". Well I think that "the world" might like it a bit more than you think....

Is desecrating bodies also a regular part of war too? Here is an article detailing their "restraint"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1361755,00.html
Israel could commit get away with anything short of genocide and not be stopped. They are a nuclear power after all. In a war as long and painfull as the Israel/palestine conflict you have to expect some brutality. And we do see it on both sides. The difference is that the Israeli soldiers will probably face a trial and punishment for their actions while palestinian terrorists who target civilians will be hailed by their people as heros.

Is that it? .Yes, That is the root.

But the US troops are there mainly because the US wants them to be. The Saudi Government would get rid of the US troops if it could- the American presence in Saudi Arabia is deeply resented by most Saudi's
If the Saudis asked the US to get out the US would pack it's bags and go.

I have read a lot of posters (presumably from the US) on here writing that the US should withdraw from everything and "see how the world likes that". Well I think that "the world" might like it a bit more than you think....

They might like it, but they wouldn't be very well off. America is the primary consumer in the world right now, if we just went all isolationist and cut ourselves off from everything then everyones economy would be hurting. The world needs America and America needs the world. In a couple decades China will get up there in spending too and maybe then the whole "America should just leave" thing could work without too many bad affects, but not now.

Ok I admit my government is corrupt - aren't all governments, really?who is your President?

What good is it? Well, it at least tries to prevent the world from slipping into the chaos of the pre-WW2 period.

I was being a little sarcastic. Notice the wink at the end.

If the Saudis asked the US to get out the US would pack it's bags and go.Crapola.

.... The world needs America and America needs the world....wrong, wrong again.

I'll admit that the prime minister of my country is a bit of a crook who takes money from businessmen (I didn't vote for his party anyway), but very few countries' governments even come close to the depth and global scale of American *oppressing entire nations for private business interests* corruption.

It might not be as bad globally, because let's face it there is simply no country as globally powerful as the US right now so whatever we do will automatically have a greater affect than what any other country does, but it is probably as bad for the individual country and proportionately.

And when has America oppressed an entire country for private business? If you are thinking of Iraq we went in with good intentions then businesses got involved. So that is not so much our government being corrupt so much as business.

If the Saudis asked the US to get out the US would pack it's bags and go.

No... we'd bomb them.

If the Saudis asked the US to get out the US would pack it's bags and go.
Suuuure they would. Just like that *finger snap*

A couple of quotes I found particularly interesting in the site posted by Violets and Kitties http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1361755,00.html

The critics were not drawing a parallel between an Israeli roadblock and a Nazi camp. Their concern was that Jewish suffering had been diminished by the humiliation of Mr Tayem.

and Yoram Kaniuk, author of a book about a Jewish violinist forced to play for a concentration camp commander, wrote in Yedioth Ahronoth newspaper that the soldiers responsible should be put on trial "not for abusing Arabs but for disgracing the Holocaust".

Don't you love it? Even some of the critics are so wrapped up in their own views that the people who are being humiliated and desecrated and murdered have no value of their own. It is only that they might detract from the image of the jewish suffering that matters. Can anyone spell self centred?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Collegeland
.... The world needs America and America needs the world....
wrong, wrong again.

Which part is wrong? America does need the world, we hardly actually make anything anymore as we ship it in from other countries. The world needs America because we provide them with money and food.

Israel could commit get away with anything short of genocide and not be stopped. They are a nuclear power after all.....That is another reason why the Muslims hate Amerika.

Which part is wrong? ..... The world needs America because we provide them with money and food.All of it...every word....every sound...every breath you take...

Go back...and be born again...

All of it...every word....every sound...every breath you take...

Go back...and be born again...

Explain why.

All of it...every word....every sound...every breath you take...

Go back...and be born again...

Nice explanation. Now try actually answering why it is wrong. We do import more than anyother country. We spend more on international goods than any other country. We are in debt in large part because of the fact that we get so much from other countries. Like I said, the other countries could survive, they just wouldn't be as well off as they are now.

Explain why.
I cant...honestly I cant...

you are so far from reality...Its not a few words you need...its to get a refund from God...and be born again...(preferably the other side of the river)

Then your words are nothing but bullshit to me.

...the other countries could survive..."Could" is not the word I would use.

as per wich side would be better off...we are sure to disagree.

I cant...honestly I cant...

you are so far from reality...Its not a few words you need...its to get a refund from God...and be born again...(preferably the other side of the river)

Is it because of American atrocities? Well, does the world need Europe (Crusades, Inquistion, Holocaust, WW1 and WW2)? How about the Middle East? Based on that, the world doesnt need human beings..

Then your words are nothing but bullshit to me.It is all good....there is nothing I can do.

I cant possibly transfer you my lifetime experiences and knoledge.

I cant...honestly I cant...

you are so far from reality...Its not a few words you need...its to get a refund from God...and be born again...(preferably the other side of the river)

It's not that hard. You just have to answer a few simple questions. What country has larger imports than America?(this one could be easy as I think China might now, since they are having a huge time of expansion) And which country ships out as much money as America?

Try to actually think before you just insult people. Just because I have a different view of things then you do does not mean I need to be "born again". I have refrained from insulting you and would expect the same in return.

Life experiences have nothing to do with this. This is economic facts, not personal opinion.

It is all good....there is nothing I can do.

I cant possibly transfer you my lifetime experiences and knoledge.

Then sum it up. I know america has its problems, and can list them for you, but you - with such strong hate for america - cannot even list five or six?

We keep Vetoing everything in the UN. Plus, any nation that acts alone will almost certainly have the US Come down on their ass.

I personally think it's stupid. Israel is defending itself and other nations are accusing them of being the terrorists.

Idiots these days, can't even properly identify the rightful Terrorists...like Bush.
Pro-Israel and anti-Bush. Love it, love it, love it!

That is another reason why the Muslims hate Amerika.
Because we help the Israelis protect themselves from genocide?

Pro-Israel and anti-Bush. Love it, love it, love it!


Hear hear! Me too.

Why do Muslims hate America?
Two reasons really.

A] America is the most worthless and depraved country on the planet.
B] America makes all msulim-countries feel inferior...

What had America done before that promted the September 11th attacks. What is it now, (besides what I can only see to be retalitory conflicts) that cause Muslims across the world to cite America as their enemy?

Its not muslims, its arabs and it's for two reasons.

1. They are quite simply jealous of the western standard of living. This is why they hate the west. They cannot achieve such a standard, so they call it devilish or whatever and bitch about it.

2. Israel. We're supporting the only jews in a sector full of muslims. Not only do the jews have no right to be where they are, but they do nothing for us in return. The only reason we haven't pulled out is that everyone knows israel would be crushed, the US being the only reason they haven't been yet. No politician wants to be responsible for that, so they settle for small attacks like terrorist bombings. Bush was just lucky enough to have a thousands of people killed during his time.

Why did bin Laden attack? Israel and because America is the devil. While we can't do much about the fact that our standard of living is better than his and our religion (and every other religion, including real muslim) isn't as extreme as his is, we can get out of israel. When terrorists like bin laden's only reason is "uh...because god says to hate america" his support will run dry.

Why do Muslims hate America?
Two reasons really.

A] America is the most worthless and depraved country on the planet.
B] America makes all msulim-countries feel inferior...
A Worthless and depraved? We are a decent and hard working people. Unfortunately our current leaders are less than wise or virtuous
B In many ways they are inferior. Their economies tend to be weak, there are few democracies in the muslim world, high illiteracy, etc.

A] America is the most worthless and depraved country on the planet.

May I ask what nation you're from?

Its not muslims, its arabs and it's for two reasons.

1. They are quite simply jealous of the western standard of living. This is why they hate the west. They cannot achieve such a standard, so they call it devilish or whatever and bitch about it.

2. Israel. We're supporting the only jews in a sector full of muslims. Not only do the jews have no right to be where they are, but they do nothing for us in return. The only reason we haven't pulled out is that everyone knows israel would be crushed, the US being the only reason they haven't been yet. No politician wants to be responsible for that, so they settle for small attacks like terrorist bombings. Bush was just lucky enough to have a thousands of people killed during his time.

Why did bin Laden attack? Israel and because America is the devil. While we can't do much about the fact that our standard of living is better than his and our religion (and every other religion, including real muslim) isn't as extreme as his is, we can get out of israel. When terrorists like bin laden's only reason is "uh...because god says to hate america" his support will run dry.
Israel has every right to exist where it is. It was and shall ever be the Jewish homeland. Israel is our only true ally in that region. We should never abandon a democratic friend to those who would slaughter him.

A Worthless and depraved? We are a decent and hard working people. Unfortunately our current leaders are less than wise or virtuous
B In many ways they are inferior. Their economies tend to be weak, there are few democracies in the muslim world, high illiteracy, etc.


Please.. combine the claims, and run the results through.

If you claim that someone is your inferior, yet you are in awe of him... what does it make you?
*sulk*
Some people don't understand sarcasm...

May I ask what nation you're from?


Please.. combine the claims, and run the results through.

If you claim that someone is your inferior, yet you are in awe of him... what does it make you?
*sulk*
Some people don't understand sarcasm...

Well, I live in England, and I can say that quite a lot of Brits think the Americans are thick and corrupt. I do to some extent - not all (I've only been to NY, and *most* of them seemed quite sharp, except the ones who couldn't understand my quaint accent) - but "do they have leprechauns/houses in Ireland" and voting Bush the unChristian hypocrite doesn't do them favours. Also their relentless backing in Israel and not attempting to halt the violence, excessive capitalism, etc.

Oh and, some Muslims are completely over the top. Not most, though.

What they said ^ :)
Yeah, you're talking extremist Muslims. There are loads that are totally peaceful and all that. I know this thread says "not all", but I feel the need to back that :)
It would help also if Americans had a president who knew the dates of elections that they're meant to be sorting (or whatever) for countries they've invaded. Nobody outside America really respects Bush.
Also, some (and again, not all) Americans have a very up-themselves approach to foreign policy and consider themselves superior to everyone else, which pisses people off. Mind you, I'm British and some Brits do that too, which is equally as annoying. I forget my point. I went completely off-track. Ignoring this post would be a good move :)

Please.. combine the claims, and run the results through.

If you claim that someone is your inferior, yet you are in awe of him... what does it make you?
*sulk*
Some people don't understand sarcasm...

Explain to me how I said I was in awe of the inferior arab world.

Israel has every right to exist where it is. It was and shall ever be the Jewish homeland. Israel is our only true ally in that region. We should never abandon a democratic friend to those who would slaughter him.

Nonsense, Israel was created after WWII as a pity present to the jews, sparking over a half century of hatred that has peaked (hopefully) in the current day. Israel, a terrorist state, does nothing for us. Their existance however, and our support of that existance, does alot of things for us...middle east tension...9/11...etc...

Militarily supporting Israel and something we did in Lebanon.

Nonsense, Israel was created after WWII as a pity present to the jews, sparking over a half century of hatred that has peaked (hopefully) in the current day. Israel, a terrorist state, does nothing for us. Their existance however, and our support of that existance, does alot of things for us...middle east tension...9/11...etc...
So much ignorance, where to start........

For right now:

Israel, a terrorist state, does nothing for us.

Israel does a lot for you, whether you like it or not. Just a few things:
-80% of the World's Biotechnology is produced in Israel
-The technology for instant message was developed in Israel
-The fastest computer chip was produced in Intel Israel and will be out in a few years.
-A camera that can be swallowed in a pill and used to view the inside of the circulatory system was developed in Israel
-A device that eliminates the need for needles in cases such as vaccination, medication, anesthetic, etc., was developed in Israel.
-Israelis found out how to stop (not just relieve for a little bit) food allergies.
-Israelis were able to make a natural heart pacemaker out of stem cells
-Israelis are developing a flying car that could be used in medical emergencies
-Israel developed Windows NT

http://www.israel21c.org/bin/en.jsp?enPage=HomePage

I recommend this site for people like you.

We keep Vetoing everything in the UN. Plus, any nation that acts alone will almost certainly have the US Come down on their ass.

I personally think it's stupid. Israel is defending itself and other nations are accusing them of being the terrorists.

Idiots these days, can't even properly identify the rightful Terrorists...like Bush.

Muslims dont give a shit about the UN, do you really think that Al Queda one day went into their Office Room, put on their reading glasses got out papers, and said "It would appear that the US hasnt been following UN law, therefor I propose we attack them perhaps than they will unite and the world will be one!"


HEY WAIT! Imp. Puerto Rico, werent you a Bush supporter earlier, like, yesterday!???! Wow! Awesome, way to ditch Bush! W00T!

Nonsense, Israel was created after WWII as a pity present to the jews, sparking over a half century of hatred that has peaked (hopefully) in the current day. Israel, a terrorist state, does nothing for us. Their existance however, and our support of that existance, does alot of things for us...middle east tension...9/11...etc...
Israel is not a terrorist state. Israel doesn't sponsor the killing of civilians. The palestinians do. Israel is a democracy, and worth protecting.

What had America done before that promted the September 11th attacks. What is it now, (besides what I can only see to be retalitory conflicts) that cause Muslims across the world to cite America as their enemy?

Israel, helping Israel out in Lebanon, alternately supporting/withdrawing support from/attacking the Taliban (depending on who you talk to, it all boils down to meddling), alternately supporting/withdrawing support from democratically-elected governments/unlawful military dictatorships in Pakistan (more meddling), Indonesia, etc. Starving children in Iraq for ten-odd years didn't help; and more Israel. Israel, Israel, Israel - All the Arab nations are convinced Washington wants Israel to rule over them. Oh, and they think Bush and his cronies want to steal their oil, too. Did I forget to mention Israel?

Israel, helping Israel out in Lebanon, alternately supporting/withdrawing support from/attacking the Taliban (depending on who you talk to, it all boils down to meddling), alternately supporting/withdrawing support from democratically-elected governments/unlawful military dictatorships in Pakistan (more meddling), Indonesia, etc. Starving children in Iraq for ten-odd years didn't help; and more Israel. Israel, Israel, Israel - All the Arab nations are convinced Washington wants Israel to rule over them. Oh, and they think Bush and his cronies want to steal their oil, too. Did I forget to mention Israel?
Well, there was an oil-for-food program to ensure that kids in Iraq didn't starve, but the UN kind of screwed the pooch on that deal. Also, Israel doesn't want to rule Arabs. Israel only wants their security. They are entitled to it.

Well, there was an oil-for-food program to ensure that kids in Iraq didn't starve, but the UN kind of screwed the pooch on that deal. Also, Israel doesn't want to rule Arabs. Israel only wants their security. They are entitled to it.

So invading/occupying Lebanon was just about making the average Israeli feel secure? Wow. Their sense of entitlement comes with an exorbitant price tag. I wouldn't pay it.

Israel is not a terrorist state. Israel doesn't sponsor the killing of civilians. The palestinians do. Israel is a democracy, and worth protecting.

That's it right there. Democracy and our defense of it, and ONLY it. Let's face it: countries that aren't democracies aren't worth anything to the US as far as alliances go, and for the most part are frowned upon for existing. Most Middle Eastern countries do not have democratic governments, which means they don't have the support of the US. Remember the Cold War? The US panicked because, "Oh my God! That's not a democracy! It must be Evil!" We pretty much treat these people like shit.

Why do you think we've stayed in Iraq for so long? So we could plant the seeds of a Little America by intergrating our beloved democracy into the lives of the Iraqi people.

Also on the topic, these extreminsts have the same passion as Pat Robertson and Jerry Fallwell when it comes to propriety and morals. They don't get along with the ideas of Western civilizations, so why not destroy them? The only difference here is that Robertson suggested we bomb the Sate Department, but the extremists actually tried.

So invading/occupying Lebanon was just about making the average Israeli feel secure? Wow. Their sense of entitlement comes with an exorbitant price tag. I wouldn't pay it.
Their enemies, people dedicated to their eradication, were using Lebanon as a base of operations to attack Israel. War's a bitch, but you have to do it to survive sometimes.

Explain to me how I said I was in awe of the inferior arab world.


*cusses american dumbasses*
a] arabs claim that America is a foul and depraved nation
b] yet - they still complain that America gives them an inferiority-complex

therefore: foul and depraved nations give arabs a sense of inferiority.

For one, i'm proud to say that i'm an American.

First: To get to a point though. There could be hundreds, if not thousands of reasons why muslim people around the world hate us. Some may be true, some may be made up, i don't know. I for one don't like Bush, he's a bastard who needs to leave office soon and i will stand up and say that I voted for John Kerry.

Second: Yes, we do pride ourselves in our economy, although it's through the shitter now (but thats besides the point). I for one don't let money run my life, i just want to go through my time here at a University so i can go on in life to do what i love, designing web sites. For that though, i need money to get through school, and a decent computer. Now does that sound too capitalistic?

Third: Maybe they are jealous of our freedoms, or that could be something that a person made up to try and make an excuse for the 9/11 attacks. No one knows. Although i do know that during the Russian/Afghani war, the US backed and helped the Afghani rebels. Osama Bin laden was one of the heads of the Afghani rebellion. He stated that the US didn't help at all, when we fed hundreds of thousands of dolloars worth of Food, Medicine, Weapons and Cash into his pocket. Now that was told to me though a web site (probably run by the government). Do i believe it? Somewhat. Do i think it may be full of lies? I'm Fairly Sure. But it's better than someone saying that they don't like us just cause of our freedom, isn't it?





Just a few points from me.

Why is any person Anti-American?

Its because they're jealous.

Why is any person Anti-American?

Its because they're jealous.

Oh, please, like there's anything to be jealous of.

Oh, and just so you can't start bashing "them damn foreigners" for the above, I'll have you know that I am American.

The only reason we haven't pulled out is that everyone knows israel would be crushed, the US being the only reason they haven't been yet.

Here's another spin on things:

The US isn't pulling out because Israel is a nuclear power, and if the arabs attack, the entire middle east would be turned into one big glass car park very quickly.

What had America done before that promted the September 11th attacks. What is it now, (besides what I can only see to be retalitory conflicts) that cause Muslims across the world to cite America as their enemy?

Well, it certainly isnt our non-muslim way of life (if that was the criterion, northern europe would be muslim enemy number one).

I would have the cite the reason used by most muslims who hate america:

Support for israel, unconditional support for the occupation of palestinian land and oppression of palestinian people.

Simple as that really, no mystery.

Why is any person Anti-American?

Its because they're jealous.


Is that why some americans are "anti-french?" because they are jealous of the french?

How about americans who are anti Iranian or anti North Korean, I bet people are *really* jealous of the iranians and n koreans too.

What had America done before that promted the September 11th attacks. What is it now, (besides what I can only see to be retalitory conflicts) that cause Muslims across the world to cite America as their enemy?

There is no Internet porn in most of the Muslim world.

Seriously.

During the Cold War the Middle East was for the most part never within either nation's sphere of influence but was still highly fought over. In the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, the people got royally screwed over because of two countries really far away that really shouldn't have anything to do with the internal affairs of Afghanistan. In Iran, a US supported despot was overthrown and immediately replaced by a USSR supported despot, causing massive turmoil in the country. One can only stand so much instability before they decided to go blow who they percieve as the source of the turmoil up.

They extremists hate our freedom and are jealous of our strength and success. Our women don't cover up, we are free to embrace any religion (or no religion), blasphemy is protected by free speech, we don't eat halal foods exclusively, we allow homosexuality, etc. We don't enforce islamic law, yet we prosper. It's an affront to their religious beleifs.
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And that's why kids, AmeriKKKa is now a Nuclear Wasteland after the Bold States of Europe launched ICBM after ICBM against the AmeriSCUM.

Oh, please, like there's anything to be jealous of.


Maybe we're jealous of the fact you have the highest poverty, homelessness and lack of healthcare rates in the industrialized world?

*** 20 YEARS LATER ***

And that's why kids, AmeriKKKa is now a Nuclear Wasteland after the Bold States of Europe launched ICBM after ICBM against the AmeriSCUM.

Hmm. For someone who opposes unilateral violent action by a capitalist nation, or who opposes killing, that's not an entirely good idea.

Despite accusations by some Americans, Europe is not a single, socialist nation. Neither is it Communist. Its governments are, by and large, representative democracies who have the same inherent faults outlined by Chomsky, your ideological hero. So in large part, they are just as "screwed" as the US, if we take Chomsky's drift. Maybe not yet, but in the end, as they have nearly all the same systems in all the same forms.

If we take the UK as an example, they have the same problems with racism, anti-Muslim sentiment, deprivation of civil rights, reactionary anti-terror laws, and sending troops to Iraq. Not to the same scale as the US, but it's there.

Even the French have banned Muslim headscarves in schools. The US hasn't even been that racist yet. So they had better nuke themselves afterwards, before they become the US.

Maybe we're jealous of the fact you have the highest poverty, homelessness and lack of healthcare rates in the industrialized world?

I know, right? And state budget cuts that cause fine arts programs to be dropped, people suing fast-food chains because they can't be bothered to cook some Healthy Choice, a demoralized and underfunded police force, metal detectors in the Smithsonian that cost the museums more for their upkeep than the shops are raking in, and those nasty burritos they serve on Thursdays in high schools all across the globe. I'm sooooooooo PROUD of my country.

:headbang: I am moving to Canada as soon as I graduate college.

It's not that hard. You just have to answer a few simple questions. What country has larger imports than America?(this one could be easy as I think China might now, since they are having a huge time of expansion) And which country ships out as much money as America?

Try to actually think before you just insult people. Just because I have a different view of things then you do does not mean I need to be "born again". I have refrained from insulting you and would expect the same in return.I am refraining too.

about your 2 questions, What do you mean "which country ships out as much money as America?"...

Dificult questions indeed.

Zionism. They are fighting against Jewish oppression, doing the only thing they know how to do.

If I went out and started campaigning for the creation of a Native American state that would be a nuclear power with massive protection, say, from the UN, right between New York and D.C., which finger would the US show me, I wonder? Now, change the location and guess what you get?... ISRAEL!

If I went out and started campaigning for the creation of a Native American state that would be a nuclear power with massive protection, say, from the UN, right between New York and D.C., which finger would the US show me, I wonder? Now, change the location and guess what you get?... ISRAEL!
Actually just change the race. The location wouldn't matter.

*psh* this is so on sided and left wing that i think i am going to be sick. it is obvious you all are biased in some respects. Muslims don't hate America, the fucking terrorists who want to kill all non-muslims hate us. but i suppose this would go back to when the Europeans attacked the Middle East in the Crusades and started the animosity between Christians and Muslims. SO if it's anyone's fault for the hatred and animostiry i blame the fucking crusaders who died for what? Nothing? oh dear it seems to be more of waste then invading Iraq. Europe needs to shut the hell up, if we want to look at who is more corrupt, more oppressive and who is generally more rascist, Europe wins hand's down and can't even talk bad about America. How many wars has Europe started, and how many has the US had to finish?

Of course all government's are corrupt, people in power will always take advantage of it. Stop being so fucking naive and grow up.

Israel has the right to kick whoever's ass get in their...it nothing any other nation would do. So whatever...have fun bashing America...i know you feel better about yourself and whatever damn country you live in. To bad it won't do your nation a damn bit of good in real life.

*psh* this is so on sided and left wing that i think i am going to be sick. it is obvious you all are biased in some respects. Muslims don't hate America, the fucking terrorists who want to kill all non-muslims hate us. but i suppose this would go back to when the Europeans attacked the Middle East in the Crusades and started the animosity between Christians and Muslims. SO if it's anyone's fault for the hatred and animostiry i blame the fucking crusaders who died for what? Nothing? oh dear it seems to be more of waste then invading Iraq. Europe needs to shut the hell up, if we want to look at who is more corrupt, more oppressive and who is generally more rascist, Europe wins hand's down and can't even talk bad about America. How many wars has Europe started, and how many has the US had to finish?

The Crusades were valiant wars for Christ and how dare you desecrate the Crusaders' souls.

The Crusades were valiant wars for Christ and how dare you desecrate the Crusaders' souls.

**rubs his ass on crusader souls**

ooooooh, extra soft!

So much ignorance, where to start........
....
Israel does a lot for you, whether you like it or not...
Israel does nothing for me...
nothing Besides making me and my family targets for the terrorists

**rubs his ass on crusader souls**

ooooooh, extra soft!
Sick, twisted infidels.

What had America done before that promted the September 11th attacks. What is it now, (besides what I can only see to be retalitory conflicts) that cause Muslims across the world to cite America as their enemy?

Here's a thing...funded Osama bin-Laden. I expect that helped.
But their generally anti-Islamic bent throughout the past century sure hasn't helped.
I think a more pertinant title is 'Why do (Many, not all) people hate America?'

'Israel' is a word that sums it up quite well though...along with 'imperialism'.

How many wars has Europe started, and how many has the US had to finish?

Started...many. How many has America 'had' to finish...zero. How many has it finished (on its own)....zero.
Also, bear in mind a couple of points:

1) Compared to Europe, America has little history. That which it does have, it attempts to eliminate and put in special 'reserves'.

2) America has started (and failed to finish effectively) the most horrific wars of the past sixty years. Note that America has bombed nearly one quarter of the countires in the world in the past 70 years.
And there's another reason why so many people hate America.

There is an easy two-step solution to the Mahometan terrorist problem:
I) Immediately end all forms of aid to the terrorist state of Israel.
II) Expel all Semites from Western lands.

There is an easy two-step solution to the Mahometan terrorist problem:
I) Immediately end all forms of aid to the terrorist state of Israel.
II) Expel all Semites from Western lands.

But that would give Israel (with its nuclear weapons) a damn good reason to bring it's own terrorism to the West. And also make another few million people hate America.
It also wont stop Muslims from hating America / the West...it will still attempt to influence the Islamic world, and illegally occupy Iraq.

There is an easy two-step solution to the Mahometan terrorist problem:
I) Immediately end all forms of aid to the terrorist state of Israel.
II) Expel all Semites from Western lands.
I prefer a 1 step solution

*dumps second step*

Sick, twisted infidels.

**spits on a few crusader souls**

Israel does nothing for me...
nothing Besides making me and my family targets for the terrorists

I like how you only quoted only one little part of my post. You just ignored the actual info and a source I gave. That's pretty low.

There is an easy two-step solution to the Mahometan terrorist problem:


Mahometan? What the bloody hell is a Mahometan?