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Because I was (and still am) pissed at her for her stupidity of THROWING OUT MY PERMANENT LATE BUS PASS, I make a statement (mostly out of anger tho) that the government should give some sort of tax break or compensation to people who have to deal with extreme stupidity (IE me dealing with my mom's constant mistakes).

Then, being the ub3r-con3rvativ3 that she is, she says 'What a left-wing idea' and gets all freaked out.

And she calls herself Republican! What I suggested would FAVOR ONE GROUP OVER ANOTHER, the EXACT OPPOSITE OF SOCIALISM.

Does anybody else feel they are surrouned by politically inept people (w/the exception of NS)

Because I was (and still am) pissed at her for her stupidity of THROWING OUT MY PERMANENT LATE BUS PASS, I make a statement (mostly out of anger tho) that the government should give some sort of tax break or compensation to people who have to deal with extreme stupidity (IE me dealing with my mom's constant mistakes).

Then, being the ub3r-con3rvativ3 that she is, she says 'What a left-wing idea' and gets all freaked out.

And she calls herself Republican! What I suggested would FAVOR ONE GROUP OVER ANOTHER, the EXACT OPPOSITE OF SOCIALISM.

Does anybody else feel they are surrouned by politically inept people (w/the exception of NS)
Permanent late bus pass?

Permanent late bus pass?
Unless you get a 'permanent' one at my school, late bus passes are good for only 1 bus ride.

My father watches Fox News 24/7. And he's convinced that it's truly "Fair and Balanced" as if any "news" channel can be fair and balanced.

Unless you get a 'permanent' one at my school, late bus passes are good for only 1 bus ride.
By permanent late bus pass, do you mean one for taking the bus that leaves after detentions and after-school activities end?

Does anybody else feel they are surrouned by politically inept people (w/the exception of NS)
I tend not to make that exception :p

By permanent late bus pass, do you mean one for taking the bus that leaves after detentions and after-school activities end?
Yeah

Yeah
Oh. Our school is too poor to have those.

Because I was (and still am) pissed at her for her stupidity of THROWING OUT MY PERMANENT LATE BUS PASS, I make a statement (mostly out of anger tho) that the government should give some sort of tax break or compensation to people who have to deal with extreme stupidity (IE me dealing with my mom's constant mistakes).

Then, being the ub3r-con3rvativ3 that she is, she says 'What a left-wing idea' and gets all freaked out.

And she calls herself Republican! What I suggested would FAVOR ONE GROUP OVER ANOTHER, the EXACT OPPOSITE OF SOCIALISM.

Does anybody else feel they are surrouned by politically inept people (w/the exception of NS)
if you really wanna piss her off blast Air America on the radio

My father watches Fox News 24/7. And he's convinced that it's truly "Fair and Balanced" as if any "news" channel can be fair and balanced.
they got their propaganda hooks in his brain

if you really wanna piss her off blast Air America on the radio
Feh, she can barely even handle the fact that I'm *gasp* Libertarian!

Feh, she can barely even handle the fact that I'm *gasp* Libertarian!
1)Buy an Anti-Flag album
2)Blast it as loud as possible
3)Type up some lyrics and post them on the fridge.
4)Constantly exclaim how they're your new "favorite band"

Feh, she can barely even handle the fact that I'm *gasp* Libertarian!
shes never been exposed to the truth--you must surround her with counter-programming to free her mind

Or do what I did - tell her she's a twit and these are your beliefs regardless of how much she bitches and whines. Yep, I did this when my mother got into a tizzy over my religious beliefs.

Moron, Republicans do not favor one group of another, liberals do (affirmative action, etc.) and sure, socialism treats everyone equally-by oppressing them equally.

Moron, Republicans do not favor one group of another, liberals do (affirmative action, etc.) and sure, socialism treats everyone equally-by oppressing them equally.
Because of coures every one knows that the Republicans don't favor religious fanatics over homosexuals.

Nor do they favor the rich over the poor. :rolleyes:

Nor do they favor the rich over the poor. :rolleyes:
We don't. Cutting taxes that are only on the rich and not the poor is not favoring the rich over the poor. Its addressing the previous imbalance towards the poor. Whether its a good thing or not is a different matter, but not screwing over the rich does not equate to favoring the rich over the poor.

My dad has turned into a Liberal after years of being a Conservative and on occasion ridicules my mom and I for still supporting the Conservatives and dismisses me when I explain why I don't like the Liberals. He is a very smart man, he just gets annoyed fairly easily when it comes to politics and that frustrates me.

We don't. Cutting taxes that are only on the rich and not the poor is not favoring the rich over the poor. Its addressing the previous imbalance towards the poor. Whether its a good thing or not is a different matter, but not screwing over the rich does not equate to favoring the rich over the poor.

Keep spinning any faster and we'll have eighteen hour days.

Because I was (and still am) pissed at her for her stupidity of THROWING OUT MY PERMANENT LATE BUS PASS, I make a statement (mostly out of anger tho) that the government should give some sort of tax break or compensation to people who have to deal with extreme stupidity (IE me dealing with my mom's constant mistakes).

Then, being the ub3r-con3rvativ3 that she is, she says 'What a left-wing idea' and gets all freaked out.

And she calls herself Republican! What I suggested would FAVOR ONE GROUP OVER ANOTHER, the EXACT OPPOSITE OF SOCIALISM.

Does anybody else feel they are surrouned by politically inept people (w/the exception of NS)
Bullshit, socialism favors the the unsuccessful over the successful, just not to the extreme that communism purports to.

Bullshit, socialism favors the the unsuccessfulk over the successful, just not to the extreme that communism purports to.




Very true........

Keep spinning any faster and we'll have eighteen hour days.
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My father watches Fox News 24/7. And he's convinced that it's truly "Fair and Balanced" as if any "news" channel can be fair and balanced.

He's right. They balance radical Republicans with moderate Republicans.

Because I was (and still am) pissed at her for her stupidity of THROWING OUT MY PERMANENT LATE BUS PASS, I make a statement (mostly out of anger tho) that the government should give some sort of tax break or compensation to people who have to deal with extreme stupidity (IE me dealing with my mom's constant mistakes).

Then, being the ub3r-con3rvativ3 that she is, she says 'What a left-wing idea' and gets all freaked out.

And she calls herself Republican! What I suggested would FAVOR ONE GROUP OVER ANOTHER, the EXACT OPPOSITE OF SOCIALISM.

Does anybody else feel they are surrouned by politically inept people (w/the exception of NS)
Is this the same woman who thinks that liberals want to ban the Bible?

Why, can you tell me, does she choose to be an "ub3r-con3rvativ3" Republican?

My dad has turned into a Liberal after years of being a Conservative and on occasion ridicules my mom and I for still supporting the Conservatives and dismisses me when I explain why I don't like the Liberals. He is a very smart man, he just gets annoyed fairly easily when it comes to politics and that frustrates me.

Same thing happened to my old man...I'm pretty sure he has brain cancer or something. But it's fun to chide him for his stupid political views.

My father watches Fox News 24/7. And he's convinced that it's truly "Fair and Balanced" as if any "news" channel can be fair and balanced.

Many of my friends believe Fahrenheit 9/11, moveon, and democracy now are good unbiased sources of information, what's your point?

Anyways yeah, I never heard of a permanent late bus pass either =/ haha, maybe it's just not around where I live.

Feh, she can barely even handle the fact that I'm *gasp* Libertarian!

Good. Why can't she handle the fact that you are Libertarian? Does she know what the party stands for? If she did, then I am about sure she would change her mind about the way she looks at it...

Many of my friends believe Fahrenheit 9/11, moveon, and democracy now are good unbiased sources of information, what's your point?

Anyways yeah, I never heard of a permanent late bus pass either =/ haha, maybe it's just not around where I live.

Both you and your friends are wrong. Farenhight 9/11 hardly lies. But Micheal Morre is good at manipulation of peoples minds. While the movie consists of the truth, he makes it so that people think differently, in favor against Bush.

shes never been exposed to the truth--you must surround her with counter-programming to free her mind

It's not quite as easy as that. People tend to take the political affiliation of someone as a judgement of the reliability of what they say. So, she would probably dismiss a lot of what she hears on 'left wing' news channels.

I mean, if you're chatting to a conservative on the forum, you're less likely to believe the facts and sources that they give than you would if you were talking to a liberal, aren't you?

We don't. Cutting taxes that are only on the rich and not the poor is not favoring the rich over the poor. Its addressing the previous imbalance towards the poor. Whether its a good thing or not is a different matter, but not screwing over the rich does not equate to favoring the rich over the poor.
as if the rich ever paid their fair share of taxes in the first place :rolleyes:

My dad has turned into a Liberal after years of being a Conservative and on occasion ridicules my mom and I for still supporting the Conservatives and dismisses me when I explain why I don't like the Liberals. He is a very smart man, he just gets annoyed fairly easily when it comes to politics and that frustrates me.
your dad is wiser then you

Same thing happened to my old man...I'm pretty sure he has brain cancer or something. But it's fun to chide him for his stupid political views.
no your brain is just too unevolved to understand at this point

It's not quite as easy as that. People tend to take the political affiliation of someone as a judgement of the reliability of what they say. So, she would probably dismiss a lot of what she hears on 'left wing' news channels.

I mean, if you're chatting to a conservative on the forum, you're less likely to believe the facts and sources that they give than you would if you were talking to a liberal, aren't you?
true on the conscuss level at least--but unconscussely he'd be freeing her mind

as if the rich ever paid their fair share of taxes in the first place :rolleyes:
They still end up paying more than 80% of the grand total so quit your whining.

Moron, Republicans do not favor one group of another, liberals do (affirmative action, etc.) and sure, socialism treats everyone equally-by oppressing them equally.

Moron, Liberals do not favor one group of another, Republicans do (millionaire tax breaks, etc.) and sure, capitalism treats everyone equally-by oppressing them equally.

They still end up paying more than 80% of the grand total so quit your whining.
Right, but what percentage of the wealth of the country do they control? More than 80%? I think so

Right, but what percentage of the wealth of the country do they control? More than 80%? I think so
Are we talking personal weath? Or Net Worth. No to the first, yes to the second.

your dad is wiser then you



Yes, the corrupt Liberals are absolutely the right party, wasting our money on mindless things and our Governor General on her trips with her personaly wine tasters to Scandanavia and Russia, spending our money is doing a good job. And wiser is a matter of opinion.

Are we talking personal weath? Or Net Worth. No to the first, yes to the second.
What is the distinction you're making here and why is it significant?

Moron, Liberals do not favor one group of another, Republicans do (millionaire tax breaks, etc.) and sure, capitalism treats everyone equally-by oppressing them equally.

Liberals do favor one group over others. Ever heard of Affirmitive Action? Unfairly giving jobs to people solely based on the color of their skin. Why is it racism if it helps a white person, but equality to unfairly help black people?

Republicans do also favor one group over another, but it is not rich over poor. It is Christians over nonchristians. Millionair tax breaks are not favoring one group over another, they are leveling the playing field. Millionairs have to much higher taxes than the average person, Republicans want it so that all pay the same percentage of their income in taxes.

They still end up paying more than 80% of the grand total so quit your whining.
NEVER--only the middle class is overtaxed-the rich always paid less proportinate to their income

Liberals do favor one group over others. Ever heard of Affirmitive Action? Unfairly giving jobs to people solely based on the color of their skin. Why is it racism if it helps a white person, but equality to unfairly help black people?

Republicans do also favor one group over another, but it is not rich over poor. It is Christians over nonchristians. Millionair tax breaks are not favoring one group over another, they are leveling the playing field. Millionairs have to much higher taxes than the average person, Republicans want it so that all pay the same percentage of their income in taxes.
the middle class carries the tax load not the rich and the repubs do too favor the rich with their own version of affirmative action that lets politically connected and very wealthy people get special rights with jobs college admissions etc.--Bush getting into Yale was an example of republicans affirmative action for the rich

the repubs do too favor the rich with their own version of affirmative action that lets politically connected and very wealthy people get special rights with jobs college admissions etc.--Bush getting into Yale was an example of republicans affirmative action for the rich


That is not wholly supported by the party, and I have some instances (though not as well known as they are people I know) of liberals doing the same thing. Using advantages to better oneself is not party exclusive, all humans take part of it, everyday.

That is not wholly supported by the party, and I have some instances (though not as well known as they are people I know) of liberals doing the same thing. Using advantages to better oneself is not party exclusive, all humans take part of it, everyday.
Ok I agree with that and I agree that maybe affirmative action should start being phazed out since it outlived its usefulness. I just find it strange tho how the same people who can get so bent about AA dont ever seem to mention or mind the special rights and priviledges people with money are afforded. If your gonne oppose special rights for one group why tolerate it for another? Its the same story with welfare-conservatives get all up in arms if some poor person is thrown a few crumbs yet these same people say nothing about corporate welfare given to multi million dollar corporations. Its the conservatives double standards that sickens me.

That is not wholly supported by the party, and I have some instances (though not as well known as they are people I know) of liberals doing the same thing. Using advantages to better oneself is not party exclusive, all humans take part of it, everyday.
Try the Kennedy family.

I would not call you mom politically inept. My mom and I have very different views. She is severly homophobic, and I believe someone's sexual preference is their business, for example. We argue about our views sometimes, but it never gets in the way of how we feel about each other. So what if your mom has different views? Judging someone on their political views is just as vain as judging someone by their skin color or religion.

My problem with affirmative action is it's too simple. According to it, a wealthy, privileged black person will get advantages over a poor white or Asian person. Not to mention affirmative action for college admissions backfires... as colleges give preferential treatment to minorities based solely on skin color, they are being accepted to institutions that may be not the best-suited for them... and in turn drop out at higher numbers. What we need to do is give people the tools needed to succeed, not just give more and more in hopes that it will do something finally. The definition of insanity, after all, is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

Regarding tax cuts: You know why the wealthy families like the Kennedys pay so little in taxes? They earn virtually nothing; they hoard their currently accumulated wealth and live off the interest. That's one of the reasons why I favor a national sales tax to replace the current income tax system. Have it exclude food and medicines, like state sales taxes do, and tax everything else. With the tax burden being removed from corporations, the costs of goods will go down to a point where the taxes added result in about the same price for goods as before (only nobody's paying income taxes), after all, a huge portion of the costs of production is in various taxes that are in place at present (it's second in most industries only to labor costs).

On the media: I get most of my news from a combination of Fox News and CNN... I find Fox slants slightly to the right, and CNN slants slightly to the left. Usually both don't quite give the whole story (nobody ever does), but a combination of the two along with other sources of media give a lot better composite picture.

On political alignment: I'm a conservative libertarian myself, or what's sometimes known as a "free-market conservative". As a result, I've found political harmony with people on all sides of the political spectrum... conservatives, libertarians, and even the occasional liberal or two. People far to the left think I'm a right-wing radical, but some things can't be helped, no? Anyways, I'm a bit of a political maverick, although, if I were to run for political office (and I am considering that in the future), I would probably run as a Republican as that's where most of my support comes from.

Liberals do favor one group over others. Ever heard of Affirmitive Action? Unfairly giving jobs to people solely based on the color of their skin. Why is it racism if it helps a white person, but equality to unfairly help black people?

Republicans do also favor one group over another, but it is not rich over poor. It is Christians over nonchristians. Millionair tax breaks are not favoring one group over another, they are leveling the playing field. Millionairs have to much higher taxes than the average person, Republicans want it so that all pay the same percentage of their income in taxes.
*sighs deeply*

My post, if you read it, was criticising someone who used blanket statements with no connecting logic. I showed that it was false by simply changing round a noun or two. Affirmitave action was even the original example.

Regarding tax cuts: You know why the wealthy families like the Kennedys pay so little in taxes? They earn virtually nothing; they hoard their currently accumulated wealth and live off the interest. That's one of the reasons why I favor a national sales tax to replace the current income tax system. Have it exclude food and medicines, like state sales taxes do, and tax everything else. With the tax burden being removed from corporations, the costs of goods will go down to a point where the taxes added result in about the same price for goods as before (only nobody's paying income taxes), after all, a huge portion of the costs of production is in various taxes that are in place at present (it's second in most industries only to labor costs).
The sales tax would hurt poor people far more than it would get at the wealth of rich people.

My problem with affirmative action is it's too simple. According to it, a wealthy, privileged black person will get advantages over a poor white or Asian person. Not to mention affirmative action for college admissions backfires... as colleges give preferential treatment to minorities based solely on skin color, they are being accepted to institutions that may be not the best-suited for them... and in turn drop out at higher numbers. What we need to do is give people the tools needed to succeed, not just give more and more in hopes that it will do something finally. The definition of insanity, after all, is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

Regarding tax cuts: You know why the wealthy families like the Kennedys pay so little in taxes? They earn virtually nothing; they hoard their currently accumulated wealth and live off the interest. That's one of the reasons why I favor a national sales tax to replace the current income tax system. Have it exclude food and medicines, like state sales taxes do, and tax everything else. With the tax burden being removed from corporations, the costs of goods will go down to a point where the taxes added result in about the same price for goods as before (only nobody's paying income taxes), after all, a huge portion of the costs of production is in various taxes that are in place at present (it's second in most industries only to labor costs).

On the media: I get most of my news from a combination of Fox News and CNN... I find Fox slants slightly to the right, and CNN slants slightly to the left. Usually both don't quite give the whole story (nobody ever does), but a combination of the two along with other sources of media give a lot better composite picture.

On political alignment: I'm a conservative libertarian myself, or what's sometimes known as a "free-market conservative". As a result, I've found political harmony with people on all sides of the political spectrum... conservatives, libertarians, and even the occasional liberal or two. People far to the left think I'm a right-wing radical, but some things can't be helped, no? Anyways, I'm a bit of a political maverick, although, if I were to run for political office (and I am considering that in the future), I would probably run as a Republican as that's where most of my support comes from.
a national sales tax would destroy consumerism and CNN is only slightly less republican then foxnews but I agree with your affirmative action points. If AA has to exist at all it should be based on class not race

true on the conscuss level at least--but unconscussely he'd be freeing her mind

But if that is true then we would have to assume that if you watched Fox News enough, you would become a republican.