NationStates Jolt Archive

You can post whatever you want, it has nothing to do with the poll, the poll is just a little extra, but a completely different topic which is only for my own curiosity, so again, talk about Clinton you dont have to talk about the poll.

Its sad that the guy with his finger always on the bombing button was one of the more peacful American presidents.

While I think his affair was contemptible, as far I could tell he was a pretty good president (though I accept my knowledge would not be as good as US residents). In short, bit of a twat as a man (because of the infidelity), but good at his job.

I must admit, I complained about him a lot less, but I was only 14 at the time. Looking back with a little more political maturity, he was one of our better presidents.

Considering the actions of past presidents; be it infidelity or corruption; he was probably middle of the pack. There have been far worst.

The present one will probably top that list. ;)

The only difference between Clinton and any other President of the United States is that someone actually put him on the stand and asked him if he did something wrong.

Any other president would have lied too.

Here's an interesting tidbit: I never voted for Clinton. Why? Because he was a liar and an adulterer. The american public elected him anyway.Twice. Even though he was a liar and an adulterer. Then he got impeached for lying and adultery. *chuckles*

The only difference between Clinton and any other President of the United States is that someone actually put him on the stand and asked him if he did something wrong.

Any other president would have lied too.

Here's an interesting tidbit: I never voted for Clinton. Why? Because he was a liar and an adulterer. The american public elected him anyway.Twice. Even though he was a liar and an adulterer. Then he got impeached for lying and adultery. *chuckles*

It doesnt matter, would you go up in front of the country and say you had sex with someone if you were married? NO!!! The thing is, it didnt effect the country, so who cares?

Clinton was a man who truely was an evil President. Come on, getting your knob polished and making some shady investments are one thing, but not aggresively going after terrorists who blew up US property, and selling nuclear secrets to the Chinese were treasonable offenses.

The main themes of the Clinton years should be "This Room For Rent!" or "I don't know how those papers appeared mysteriously on my desk after years of searching for them."

BTW He was a massive coke-head, just look at his nose.

The main themes of the Clinton years should be "This Room For Rent!"

If you mean the WhiteHouse bedrooms, then you have to include the Shrub, poppy Bush, Ronnie,......

Clinton was a man who truely was an evil President. Come on, getting your knob polished and making some shady investments are one thing, but not aggresively going after terrorists who blew up US property, and selling nuclear secrets to the Chinese were treasonable offenses.

The main themes of the Clinton years should be "This Room For Rent!" or "I don't know how those papers appeared mysteriously on my desk after years of searching for them."

BTW He was a massive coke-head, just look at his nose.


Isnt bush's grasp of english so poor because he fried his brain being a coke head and alcoholic until he was in his thirties?

Here's an interesting tidbit: I never voted for Clinton. Why? Because he was a liar and an adulterer. The american public elected him anyway.Twice. Even though he was a liar and an adulterer. Then he got impeached for lying and adultery. *chuckles*


Interesting.

Then what Presidents do you like?

The problem with the whole Monica Lewinski thing is morals. Its like American ratings on movies:
You can rate it PG if all you see is people getting cut-up with chain saws. :p :sniper:
But R if you see a boob. :fluffle: :eek:
Same with polotics. Nodoby cares how many people Bush is killing in Iraq, but Clinton has sex with somebody who is not his wife and all hell breaks loose!
(by the by when I say eveeryone I mean the south)

I liked him. I always figured if I ever was a Politician and I screwed my Secretary. I'd be like,
"Yeah...So? There are probably only a billion other's who've cheated on their loved ones. How come I'm so Special?"

Either way, I figure he was a good president. All things considered, he at least kept a fairly good image of America in the world.

Interesting.

Then what Presidents do you like?

Ultimately, I'd like a president with strong convictions. Like Nader.

But I'd settle for a president that knows how to hide the corporate puppet strings from view. ;)

Isnt bush's grasp of english so poor because he fried his brain being a coke head and alcoholic until he was in his thirties?


Your grasp of the proper use of the English language is lacking. Are you a coke-head too? Seriously, I still hate Perot for electing that White-Trash President. I seriously think Clinton was the most corrupt President in over 100 years.

BTW-Never heard about the Shrub using his Texas State Police to run trailer-park trash for his use at the Gov. mansion.

Worst. President. Ever.

You can rate it PG if all you see is people getting cut-up with chain saws. :p :sniper:
But R if you see a boob. :fluffle: :eek:


Yeah our rating system is a bit bizarre-our children can watch a human being get shotdown and carved up graphically on almost any workday night television station, however, let 2 has been singers expose a boob during our super gladitorial sporting event and Congress wants a 30minute delay on all live teley.

That is the issue with the Monica thingy.

Hell I wish he hadda said in that Arkansas drawl of his *pointing curled finger* "Come on fella's, you've seen Hillary, give me a break here, I mean if the President can't get a little strange, WTF?"

I didn't really care. A president can have sex with his 14 polyamorous same-sex mistresses, as long as that doesn't affect how he acts at all. I would mind if he was a sadist, though.

If you mean the WhiteHouse bedrooms, then you have to include the Shrub, poppy Bush, Ronnie,......

No I was not little buddy. I was speaking of how the Chinese were almost setting the US' policies on certain foreign topics for the right amount of campaign cash. Wasn't it funny how Gore was caught accepting money from a Buddhist Temple fundraiser (but he didn't know it was a fundraiser)?

Your grasp of the proper use of the English language is lacking. Are you a coke-head too? Seriously, I still hate Perot for electing that White-Trash President. I seriously think Clinton was the most corrupt President in over 100 years.

BTW-Never heard about the Shrub using his Texas State Police to run trailer-park trash for his use at the Gov. mansion.


Odd. It isnt.

In response to the question posed in the headline, I thought Clinton was fine.

Quite a nice guy, and a refreshing change from the sexless old men who'd been in the White House all during the 80s. A virile president. But I'm biased, of course. It didn't take Clinton 4 years to show himself in Canada.

Heck he didn't need Monica at all, he could have used Dan Rather in that position, I mean Rather was already so far up his ass.

"Of all the allegations, accusations, charges made, what do you consider to be the most unfair attack?"-Dan Blather to Hillary, 5/26/99 60Min II

New president Bill Clinton congratulated Dan Rather on his on-air partnership with Connie Chung:
"Thank you, Mr. President. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. President. If we could be one-one-hundredth as great as you and Hillary Rodham Clinton have been together in the White House, we'd take it right now and walk away winners."
--Dan Rather at a meeting for CBS affiliates, May 27, 1993. Quoted in Columbia Journalism Review Sept./Oct. 1993.

RATHER: Well, because I think he is. I think at core, he's an honest person. I know that you have a different view. I know that you consider it sort of astonishing anybody would say so. But I think you can be an honest person and lie about any number of things.
--Dan Rather on the O'Reilly Factor, May 15, 2001.

I wouldn't have been troubled about it at all had he fessed up from the beginning. When he lied under oath about it was the real issue. When he told a bold faced lie on camera it was troubleing. Made me wonder if he'd lie about something so lame, what other lies may he be hiding. I doubt anything major, however his credibility has forever been compromised. Not a very strong leadership quality.

(NOTE: These are my personal opinions, not facts. Therefore, I ask that anyone who disagrees does so in a courteous, humane manner)

Clinton was a sleaze. His administration was rampantly corrupt and rife with scandal. He was a world-government traitor who put America's interests last. Kosovo, NAFTA, WTO, etc. are examples. He should be put up against a wall and executed by firing squad for Chinagate. He was the most spineless President since Jimmy Carter. He was one of the most ardent enemies of the constitution this nation has ever seen (although not as bad as Bush in that respect). He backstabbed POWs and their families by renewing ties with the butchers of Hanoi, in spite of the fact that the brutal and barbarous bastards never returned all our POWs. He is a counterculture radical and freak of nature on par with Jane Fonda. He completed George H.W. "I Never Met a Dictator I Didn't Like" Bush's job of burying South Africa, where today both the whites and the blacks are oppressed. And that's just for starters. Of course, he was not our worst President, but he's definitely in the bottom 10.

Clinton was funny dude, albiet a lousy president. He was better than Bush.

;)

I officially voted for "NEVER!!! CL1NT0N WA5 TEH L005ER!!!"

lol

Seriously, I still hate Perot for electing that White-Trash President.
Even without Perot, Clinton would have won.

http://www.fairvote.org/plurality/perot.htm

All poloticians are corrupt. Its the honest truth. So we have to set aside the the corruption and vote for the polocies. And to this fellow who thinks that Clinton is the worst president in over a 100 years.
Since you have obviously been around for a VERY LONG time, at least 110 or 20 years. Perhaps you can enlighten us all to all those evil things that Clinton did that could be worse that what Bush is doing.

All poloticians are corrupt. Its the honest truth. So we have to set aside the the corruption and vote for the polocies. And to this fellow who thinks that Clinton is the worst president in over a 100 years.
Since you have obviously been around for a VERY LONG time, at least 110 or 20 years. Perhaps you can enlighten us all to all those evil things that Clinton did that could be worse that what Bush is doing.
How about what Clinton did worse than Nixon? Or Hoover, for that matter? (though Hoover wasn't a a bad president, per se, he was just too rooted in his flawed economic ideology)

All poloticians are corrupt. Its the honest truth. So we have to set aside the the corruption and vote for the polocies. And to this fellow who thinks that Clinton is the worst president in over a 100 years.
Since you have obviously been around for a VERY LONG time, at least 110 or 20 years. Perhaps you can enlighten us all to all those evil things that Clinton did that could be worse that what Bush is doing.

Hmm let's see: Waco, Ruby Ridge, Non effective way of dealing with terrorists (refusal to capture OBL), selling Nuclear Secrets to the Chinese, massive campaign contribution fraud, sending that Gonzalez kid back to Cuba, Draft Dodger, Anti-US Protestor, Pro-communist, et al. Need I go on?

Also massive abuse of the FBI and IRS.

How about what Clinton did worse than Nixon? Or Hoover, for that matter? (though Hoover wasn't a a bad president, per se, he was just too rooted in his flawed economic ideology)

Nixon was railroaded. Clinton on the other hand was a shrewd, manipulative, career politician.

Even without Perot, Clinton would have won.

http://www.fairvote.org/plurality/perot.htm

You should remember that exit polls don't mean jack (esp from this last election).

You should remember that exit polls don't mean jack (esp from this last election).
Even if you ignore exit polls, that site lists the actual vote percentages. A very high percentage of Perot votes would have had to go to Bush Sr. for him to win (as well as assuming that all Perot voters would have voted had their guy not been running, a doubtful assumption). Perot swelled turnout to record numbers. Had he not run, most likely Clinton would have had a moderate victory (though losing several of the states which the site lists).

Bush Sr. was struggling against mid 30% approval ratings coming into the election. It would have been a miracle for him to win.

I got a chance to meet Clinton a little while after he moved to Chapaqua. Even though I wasn't real fond of him as a president, I'd have to say he was a nice guy. He was the first one out of the house with an outstretched hand, a big smile on his face.

Hilary, however, was a total bitch.

Clinton was a man who truely was an evil President. Come on, getting your knob polished and making some shady investments are one thing, but not aggresively going after terrorists who blew up US property, and selling nuclear secrets to the Chinese were treasonable offenses.

The main themes of the Clinton years should be "This Room For Rent!" or "I don't know how those papers appeared mysteriously on my desk after years of searching for them."

BTW He was a massive coke-head, just look at his nose.

Okay idiot, not going after terrorists, yeah I would call having meatings with Palestinian and Isreali leaders not going after terrorists, and by doing so there was a whole year where not one Israeli was killed by suicide bombings, he simply ran out of time, if he had 12 years he would have probably reduced terrorism by a very large percentage. Unlike Bush, who has raised terrorism levels.

Clinton? He was a man who did some great things, and many really horrible things. He was better than Bush 2 and Reagan, but still not nice.

Its sad that the guy with his finger always on the bombing button was one of the more peacful American presidents.
Clinton? One of the more peaceful American presidents? He bombed more countries than Bush ever did.

Isnt bush's grasp of english so poor because he fried his brain being a coke head and alcoholic until he was in his thirties?
Interesting how you assume that everyone who criticises Clinton is pro-Bush.

Clinton would be remembered as one of the better presidents if he could have only kept his pecker in his pants. Now he's got all sorts of connotations associated with his otherwise good name.

The millions of dollars wasted by ken starr and his ilk in persecuting bill clinton could have been spent to prevent 9/11.

I will never forgive you people.

I said "Liked him better". Seriously, you have to have a baaaad sense of taste to marry Hillary Clinton.. Urgh... While we're at it- how is getting the approval of the international community (AKA "Having people respect you"), draftdodging (Bush Jr., anyone?), befriending the "Butchers of Hanoi" (the Communist party had been elected, after which the US decided to kick some massively undersized ass but take a pratfall anyway), and pro-Communist (worker's rights, and True Communism is just being "idealistic", "optimistic about humans[non-eletist]", and "for rule by those who do the most work") bad?

Isnt bush's grasp of english so poor because he fried his brain being a coke head and alcoholic until he was in his thirties?
I dont think he stopped at his thirties...And her twins do get around alot...boozing. :D

Clinton's best accomplishment was letting the Republican Congress do its work.

I was dissapointed in Clinton's behavior, but didn't think it was any of my buisness, or that it affected his excellent policy decisions. What bothered me most was Lewinski's age--she was barely legal.

(the Communist party had been elected)

That's the biggest load of BS I have ever heard. The communists in Vietnam seized power through the barrel of a gun, not the ballot. They are mass murdering bastards.