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I don't mean to cause any kind of disturbance, but I want to ask new anthrus a question: Do you have any proof that humans are 'above nature'? Sure, we have a larger capacity to think, but many creatures have the same capacities, just less of them. How cany we be better than something else just because we're farther along? It's like going up to a carpenter who'se building two chairs and going up to the one that he's farther along with and saying, "this one's going to be the better chair." How do you know? Have you seen the end result? No. So give me some proof, dammit.

But there will always be the peole who don't pay attention, skip, and what not. results of what?
Of not having sex. I'm in no rush to do this. In fact, if people like me started talking a bit louder, it'd still take hundreds of years to do. But it's fine. It is, after all, your future. You can return to the primative, if you choose, and that is fine by me.

also, as a follow-up to my question, "Are you better than me? How so?"

Passion is physical in nature? Interesting. It seems you are operating under a bit of a warped definition of passion. Here's mine, which is coincidentally also dictionary.com's...

Dillusion is something else entirely, more connected with misinformation on some level. Schizophrenia is a mental illness. Orgasm is an action. None of these are equivalent to passion in any way. By including schizophrenia in the list, you are displaying your personal biases and injecting an obvious attempt at biased issue framing. Please do not attempt to redefine words which do not redefining.

ANd you still haven't responded to the post I spent the most time, thought, and yes, passion, on. I would appreciate at least some sort of response.

Try addressing Bungle instead. he's crazy like a loon, too, but he puts some passion into it, at least. :D

This is still going?! I was from the first second pages and got hooked on the convo and stayed hours.

I don't mean to cause any kind of disturbance, but I want to ask new anthrus a question: Do you have any proof that humans are 'above nature'? Sure, we have a larger capacity to think, but many creatures have the same capacities, just less of them. How cany we be better than something else just because we're farther along? It's like going up to a carpenter who'se building two chairs and going up to the one that he's farther along with and saying, "this one's going to be the better chair." How do you know? Have you seen the end result? No. So give me some proof, dammit.
My proof is that we are the only organisms able to reason, and capable of advanced emotions and intellectual thought. Sometimes, animals have less degrees of this, but their ability is far less than humans.

I have enough trouble standing the company of people who refuse to enjoy good food.

I must say that if you have a genuine aversion to sex then I dislike you personally.
aaaaaaaaaaaaMEN!

we'll overcome it, and it'll begin in my lifetime.

Sweetiepie, this is clearly a good thing. I shall - the moment I've logged off here - nominate your sperm (or eggs; are you a him or a her, I wonder?) for one of those illustrious Darwin Awards.

Have a nice day, now, y'hear? <blows New Anthrus a kiss>

I'm sure that not everyone who loves a zoo is a tree-hugging hippy. I'm not, yet I enjoy an occaisonal walk in the woods. It'd be even better if we were able to remove those thorny objects from the woods, or make them spring up in a few seconds on demand. That is, I believe, where we are heading. And I'm not crazy to suggest this. If this was a hundred years ago, and I told you that a man would walk on the moon, phone calls can be beamed across the planet, and a weapon that could destroy humanity did exist, you'd think I was mad.

Wait, I see where you're going.

Hypothetical question: If scientists in the future bioengineered the perfect human being, who was intelligent beyond imagination, had unsatiable ambition to progress and improve, and had the resources and ability to clone himself as many times as he wanted, and was superior to every other human being in every conviecable way... you would advocate the destrcution of the human race (aside from this super man, of course) in order to prevent our influences from affecting or corrupting his perfection, right?

I mean, that's what you've been arguing for, isn't it? Different way of getting there, but the result is the same in the end.

My proof is that we are the only organisms able to reason, and capable of advanced emotions and intellectual thought. Sometimes, animals have less degrees of this, but their ability is far less than humans.

Define 'advanced'.

Of not having sex. I'm in no rush to do this. In fact, if people like me started talking a bit louder, it'd still take hundreds of years to do. But it's fine. It is, after all, your future. You can return to the primative, if you choose, and that is fine by me.
But even if it did catch on people like me still wouldn't follow it, in fact we would have more sex because it would make them different. Look at todays society, sex is implied all over the place, but it is still a taboo subject. We wouldn't be any different than we are today

also, as a follow-up to my question, "Are you better than me? How so?"

Re:Humans are better?
There is also the issue of baised viewpoint. I will not believe humans are any better, or worse than any other creature, untill i get objective confirmation from an unaffected third party.

;)

Re:Humans are better?
There is also the issue of baised viewpoint. I will not believe humans are any better, or worse than any other creature, untill i get objective confirmation from an unaffected third party.

;)

so since you are advocating this ban then you want the animals to not have sex either?

My proof is that we are the only organisms able to reason, and capable of advanced emotions and intellectual thought. Sometimes, animals have less degrees of this, but their ability is far less than humans.

I'm sure the orangutan has almost exactly the same opinion of you, NA. :)

ok I'm leaving this thread now. My stance has been more than clear and several of my earlier points on pages in the high 30's still haven't been addressed. If any of you want to clarify your own misconceptions refer to them, I have given you enough of my time in posts already.

so since you are advocating this ban then you want the animals to not have sex either?
are you sure you mean to direct that at me? i haven't at any point advocated the ban. :s

Humans are an egotistical species. We are. We always have been. We have this amazing interconnectivity with the ecosystem around us, but we're willing to ignore it for our own stupid whims. It just doesn't make any sense to me...

are you sure you mean to direct that at me? i haven't at any point advocated the ban. :s
sorry, i've only been half reading your posts

probably safest. If you paid too much attention to most of this thread, you'd probably risk depression at the state of american schools. :)

I say, we will have no more marriages: those that are married already, all
but one, shall live; the rest shall keep as they are.

probably safest. If you paid too much attention to most of this thread, you'd probably risk depression at the state of american schools. :)

Or humanity as a whole. ¬_¬

Or humanity as a whole. ¬_¬

It hurts that it's true...

I have to be honest that 1984 was part of my inspiration, if only because that anti sex league had cool sashes. But think about it: isn't sex primative? Do we ever want to move away from the primative?
I read 1984, I am thirteen. I am glad that our world isn't like that. WAYYY too right. Sex isn't primitive. It's an expression of love, and the way we were meant to reproduce.

My proof is that we are the only organisms able to reason, and capable of advanced emotions and intellectual thought. Sometimes, animals have less degrees of this, but their ability is far less than humans.

Please show me some evidence of this. As far as I can tell, the only thing that seperates humans from other animals is advanced brain development and opposable thumbs. As far as base intelligence goes, the dolphin, whale, chimpanzee, bonobo and parrot all have us beat according to clear scientific evidence, and I could list a whole bunch more, too. It's simply our ability to conduct *higher reasoning* that makes our brains more advanced, and that came as a result of the ability to create and to influence our environment due to prehensile thumbs. That's the way I see it, at least.

And yes, sexual attraction in a basic, primal instinct. Do you have something against restorative instincts? Keep in mind that, carried to the extreme, this incarnates in the desire to be less human and more robotic, as in the Cyberpunk movement and hacking scene in general. As far as I can tell, the opposite of the animal, if we take its base charateristic to be instinct, is the machine, the base characteristic of which is cold, structured logic. Of course, the living organism is, at its very base level, nothing more than an incredibly complex, organic machine, so you could also say that animality is magical complexity (in the mode of Arthur C. Clarke), whereas roboticism is simplicity - the only real difference being that artificial technology is still far from reaching the point of magical complexity at which true artificial intelligence - the birth of a real life form - occurs. Some day, man and machine are bound to finally merge, coming to a point where man is imbued with the ability to reliably process using simplified logic systems, and machine is able to act on pure base instinct.

Is becoming formally simpler and more machine-like really your desire? I wouldn't judge you for it - I've seriously considered the question myself - I'm just curious.

ban sex? are you out of your mind? or maybe you are a castrati. i'm leaning towards the latter option on this one.

here's a clever illustration of you:

:fluffle: :sniper:

ban sex? are you out of your mind? or maybe you are a castrati. i'm leaning towards the latter option on this one.

here's a clever illustration of you:

:fluffle: :sniper:

Clever :D. I would've chosen :fluffle: :mp5: or :fluffle: :gundge: , but that's just me...

I will fight for the loss of my virginity! :sniper: :mp5: Life is no good without :fluffle: man I need to find a good support group for smily addiction! :( :headbang:

I read 1984, I am thirteen. I am glad that our world isn't like that. WAYYY too right. Sex isn't primitive. It's an expression of love, and the way we were meant to reproduce.
How, please tell me, can sex possibly not be primitive? (I mean primitive in a scientific sense, as in "base level," or "less developed") It is a simple survival instinct necessary for the prolongment of human life, and love is simply a force to make it desirable. People fall in love, they find the prospect of sex attractive, they screw, they have a baby, the human race grows by one member. It's the same reason that we find babies cute - if we found them ugly, we wouldn't be nearly so eager to protect them, and not as many of them would survive, thereby making the human race less successful as a species.

Mind you, I don't mean to debase love as a desireable and wonderful emotional bond - I'm quite the romantic myself - but simply to point out why it's there in the first place, what it's for, and why we find it so enjoyable. There's nothing wrong with enjoying instinctual feelings - they are our most powerful ones, and they serve us well in many situations. Giving over entirely to logic is just as bad as giving over entirely to instinct - a healthy mind strikes a balance between them, and recognizes the value in both of them.

You apparently reproduce by cloning.

Well i have better things i need to do so goodnight

My proof is that we are the only organisms able to reason, and capable of advanced emotions and intellectual thought. Sometimes, animals have less degrees of this, but their ability is far less than humans.

Oh no, here we go again ..... what a load of arrogant, unprovable sh**e.

Do try to appreciate that you CANNOT judge animals' intellectual or emotional capabilities by comparison to humans.

Why would whales, just for one quick example, WANT to build houses - or fuck their infant children, like humans all too frequently do?

Would you take a member from out of a newly discovered tribe in the Amazon jungle, stick a USA or UK based IQ test in front of them & decide they were stupid because they couldn't make sense of the questions?

btw, Hitler, who claimed that Jewish people were "sub-human"; modern-day racists who claim that black people are "less evolved", and anorexics who look in the mirror and see a fat person looking back at them, are guilty of exactly the same as you ... translating their own insecurities into a "truth" full of lies.

I agree that sex should be banned, as the human race is the downfall of the world... But as long as there are those that wish for procreation to exist, it will and nobody has the right to take anothers right away...

How, please tell me, can sex possibly not be primitive? (I mean primitive in a scientific sense, as in "base level," or "less developed") It is a simple survival instinct necessary for the prolongment of human life, and love is simply a force to make it desirable. People fall in love, they find the prospect of sex attractive, they screw, they have a baby, the human race grows by one member. It's the same reason that we find babies cute - if we found them ugly, we wouldn't be nearly so eager to protect them, and not as many of them would survive, thereby making the human race less successful as a species.

Mind you, I don't mean to debase love as a desireable and wonderful emotional bond - I'm quite the romantic myself - but simply to point out why it's there in the first place, what it's for, and why we find it so enjoyable. There's nothing wrong with enjoying instinctual feelings - they are our most powerful ones, and they serve us well in many situations. Giving over entirely to logic is just as bad as giving over entirely to instinct - a healthy mind strikes a balance between them, and recognizes the value in both of them.

There's nothing primitive about my sex, dude.
Hell, some of the stuff involved is downright Advanced

What's so bad about being primitive some of the time? Don't YOU at least go camping?

Oh no, here we go again ..... what a load of arrogant, unprovable sh**e.

Do try to appreciate that you CANNOT judge animals' intellectual or emotional capabilities by comparison to humans.

Why would whales, just for one quick example, WANT to build houses - or fuck their infant children, like humans all too frequently do?

Would you take a member from out of a newly discovered tribe in the Amazon jungle, stick a USA or UK based IQ test in front of them & decide they were stupid because they couldn't make sense of the questions?

btw, Hitler, who claimed that Jewish people were "sub-human"; modern-day racists who claim that black people are "less evolved", and anorexics who look in the mirror and see a fat person looking back at them, are guilty of exactly the same as you ... translating their own insecurities into a "truth" full of lies.

I've already been through the arguement that he can't make these judgements

I'm sorry new anthrus, but you sound like a bit of an insecure control freak to me. That's just my opinion, I'm not trying to insult anyone, but it really sounds like that to me, I hope you can understand...

It is interesting that this debate centers around the fact that sex is used to reproduce, since the majority of people having sex are doing it because it feels good. Also bizzare that it is constantly referred to as "primitive". Well, I could point out a lot of things that are primitive. Football, anyone? Wrestling? Forget about a ban on sex, you'd have a better chance of making corruption illegal.

There's nothing primitive about my sex, dude.
Hell, some of the stuff involved is downright Advanced

lol :p

There's nothing primitive about my sex, dude.
Hell, some of the stuff involved is downright Advanced


Please may I have your 'phone number ? <hyperventilates>

Well, God also made us able to go to hell. He made us imperfect for a reason, and that was to see what humanity could overcome. Sex is a major one. He knows we'll overcome it, and it'll begin in my lifetime.

it may begin in your lifetime, but outside of the realm of vows of religious people and such, it will probably end the same time as your lifetime.

like your idea or not, it just isnt going to happen for a long time IF ever

Here's one of the big problems with the "sex is primitive, so let's leave it behind" idea. Yes, sex is primitive. And that's exactly why we need it. Let me explain;
When creating a new technology, you have to rely on the old for it's more basic functions. Technologies like the wheel, or the level, form the basic foundation of more advanced technologies, like the car or the crane. Even highly advanced computers are based on very old technological concepts, just refined and adapted to different uses. Now, if you try to say that, for example, the wheel is "too primitive," and should no longer be used in new inventions, you deprive the human race of a wide variety of new technologies. It's ripping out the base.

The same is true of human psychology and thought. Sure, we are capable of highly advanced logic and cognative function far exceeding that of other animals, but it is still based in the more animalistic, basic psychological functions from which our higher cognative abilities evolved (please, no comments on evolution, it's for another thread). What you are trying to do, is remove the foundation of a 10-story building, and make the sixth story the new foundation. This, obviously, cannot be done without destroying the building, and I stand firm in my belief that, given the way human psychology works, removing passion, even only sexual passion, will not happen without causing the whole thing to fall apart. The "human spirit" has nothing to do with it; we aren't gods, and given how selfish and corrupt a good number of humans are, I rue the day we ever become so. We can overcome quite a lot, but "overcoming" human nature is a pipe dream. Change it, yes, to a degree, but we cannot transcend ourselves.

So we all want to go crazy and rip eachother's heads off for just a little piece of action? A ban on sex?! Has the world lost its mind? Primitive as sex may be, it is one of the carnal instincts of preservation of the species. Do we dare deny ourselves that instinct, the one thing we know we are good at? Not to mention are we going to make an instinct illegal? No person would be able to live if we were to dehumanize ourselves and make a worldwide ban on sex even feasible.

Here's one of the big problems with the "sex is primitive, so let's leave it behind" idea. Yes, sex is primitive. And that's exactly why we need it. Let me explain;
When creating a new technology, you have to rely on the old for it's more basic functions. Technologies like the wheel, or the level, form the basic foundation of more advanced technologies, like the car or the crane. Even highly advanced computers are based on very old technological concepts, just refined and adapted to different uses. Now, if you try to say that, for example, the wheel is "too primitive," and should no longer be used in new inventions, you deprive the human race of a wide variety of new technologies. It's ripping out the base.


Thats his basic argument, that we need to quite relying on the primitive

BAN SEX! What the heck has the world come to??!! Geeze...one thing is certain...making it illegal would just be dumb........Where do you people come up with this stuff?? :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :gundge:

Thats his basic argument, that we need to quite relying on the primitive
Yes, and I'm just demonstrating why it's ludicrous to suggest it.

Everything that sex can help with can also be helped by other means. All of that comes at an emotional toll.
And btw, it is true that we have sex for pleasure, but it still originates from the basic instinct of procreation. Without that instinct, no one would have sex, as they would see it as a boring exercise. Penises can stick into other holes on the woman's body, but why is the best stimulating effect on the vagina? Because we are hardwired to do it.
oh please, everyone knows oral is more fun than intercourse.

and i woudl hardly call intercourse "boring exercise"

and other than masturbation, the benefit of decreased incidence of prostate cancer does not apply...

It is precisely the primitive nature of sex that makes it so desirable.

:rolleyes: OK, maybe that isn't the only reason, but work with me here.

It has been humankind's desire, since the beginning of the Age of Reason, to pursue those pastimes that are considered primitive. The joy of sport comes from the contest of one's strength against another's. The thrill of the hunt, and all it's variations (promotion, dating, shopping, etc.) runs deeply in our veins. In our recreation, the more primitive we can be, the more we feel we have "gotten in touch with ourselves".

It is all good and well to espouse a Social Darwinist outlook on behaviour, but legal enforcement is an artificial means of imposing control over the evolution of the species. You can't rush evolution. If sex is going to fade from the human repertoire of interaction, it will do so, but impatience will only muck things up.

Personally, I hope it doesn't. I rather enjoy it. :)

oh please, everyone knows oral is more fun than intercourse.


I must disagree. I think both oral and intercourse register the same on my fun meter. :cool:

If they find heterosexual copulation disgusting, then yes.


...Do you flagellate yourself, because that is typically what cleansing "unholiness" typically implies. Isn't David Eddings such a good writer? He's certainly not my favourite, but he's pretty damn good. Hello, I'm back!

I wasn't being… entirely serious when I referred to cleansing unholiness. I don't go out into the street with my witch-hunter's hat and flamethrower and burn witches. I was referring to… look, just don't take everything so seriously, okay? Yes, David Eddings is a good writer - although the Belgariad was a little light-hearted. Preferred the Mallorean, because it has more DAEMONS!

All these people who say: "Get a girlfriend," - do they actually realise how much courage it takes to ask someone out (I haven't ever)? You seem very happy about it, Gnostikos. Anyway. I digress. I don't support a ban on sex, although I don't like biological/organic things in general - find them generally repulsive, but necessary. Until we create the Human Breeder, which will surely be happening when people misuse even more technology…

I mean, it's insane! I love someone more than I love entomology and virology... What is wrong with me?!? How can you love anything more than the purity of form displayed in God's most humble creatures that defeated the Martians… and the real dominants of our world, the arthropods - especially the hive creatures. But I presume it's a different sort of love, and you love them so much and they don't love you. I sympathise. Or maybe I have the completely wrong end of the stick. ;)

You shall ban my sex not a day before I ban your breathing.

Hear, hear.

That occured to me, except that you must have forgotten the sexual aspect of the book. Do you recall the children's requisite sex play? That's just one of sundry examples.


Well, sex is actually the foremost way of getting endorphins. The only way to get more would to bypass the endocrine system and ingest it in large amounts or inject it directly into the bloodstream. That's the biggest reason that sex feels so good--it's kind of like taking some opium. What effect do endorphins have? Does the act of injecting them have any bad side-effects? If not, - where can I get them?

Hey, Anthrus - this is repeating what somebody said a long time ago, but - you said that God had made us imperfect to overcome ourselves. Actually, we were originally made perfect, but fell from that graceful state. BUT: - when we were perfect, we still had all our sexual abilities - woman was made for man, and man for woman. This is where the problem lies.

There's nothing primitive about my sex, dude.
Hell, some of the stuff involved is downright Advanced
:p Excellent, dude. Excellent. :D

Here's one of the big problems with the "sex is primitive, so let's leave it behind" idea. Yes, sex is primitive. And that's exactly why we need it. Let me explain;
When creating a new technology, you have to rely on the old for it's more basic functions. Technologies like the wheel, or the level, form the basic foundation of more advanced technologies, like the car or the crane. Even highly advanced computers are based on very old technological concepts, just refined and adapted to different uses. Now, if you try to say that, for example, the wheel is "too primitive," and should no longer be used in new inventions, you deprive the human race of a wide variety of new technologies. It's ripping out the base.

The same is true of human psychology and thought. Sure, we are capable of highly advanced logic and cognative function far exceeding that of other animals, but it is still based in the more animalistic, basic psychological functions from which our higher cognative abilities evolved (please, no comments on evolution, it's for another thread). What you are trying to do, is remove the foundation of a 10-story building, and make the sixth story the new foundation. This, obviously, cannot be done without destroying the building, and I stand firm in my belief that, given the way human psychology works, removing passion, even only sexual passion, will not happen without causing the whole thing to fall apart. The "human spirit" has nothing to do with it; we aren't gods, and given how selfish and corrupt a good number of humans are, I rue the day we ever become so. We can overcome quite a lot, but "overcoming" human nature is a pipe dream. Change it, yes, to a degree, but we cannot transcend ourselves.

Sure, but we can change ourselves into something entirely different instead, using robotics.
Barring that, I agree entirely with this argument. :)

The need to procreate is next to fear as the most evil of the primative human instincts, and is, indeed, the most basic instinct. I say we enforce a worldwide ban on all sex, and reproduce using artificial semination only.

Only a sad, geeky, spotty, smelly and dandruff-ridden virgin would post this.

I must disagree. I think both oral and intercourse register the same on my fun meter. :cool:

Yeah, they have a point here. It is more than sex itself that humans desire - think of BDSM, the wide variety of fetishes, foreplay of all kinds. People don't just get turned on by organs of intercourse - they also get turned on by faces, hair, feet, legs, even artificial extensions of a person such as boots, various clothing, cigarrettes, bondage gear and so forth. I think it's part of a more basic instinct to gravitate towards healthy members of our own species for the purposes of procreation, self-preservation, and safety in numbers.

Another little-addressed problem of banning sex is that it would probably lost that wonderful thing: romance. I think Anthrus is a bit overzealous - many people are happily married and yet sex does not "harm" them.

Wait, I see where you're going.

Hypothetical question: If scientists in the future bioengineered the perfect human being, who was intelligent beyond imagination, had unsatiable ambition to progress and improve, and had the resources and ability to clone himself as many times as he wanted, and was superior to every other human being in every conviecable way... you would advocate the destrcution of the human race (aside from this super man, of course) in order to prevent our influences from affecting or corrupting his perfection, right?

I mean, that's what you've been arguing for, isn't it? Different way of getting there, but the result is the same in the end.
You're trying to paint me in a corner, but it won't work. Sure, this guy may be superior to other humans, but it was only the effort of other humans that created him. In addition, we have a superior ability to learn, and even if we couldn't learn every nuance of this guy, we'd be able to emulate him.
Of course, if some human comes along that is significantly better than all of us, we wouldn't need to be killed. We'd either die out, or become progressively inferior to the point that we are animals, and it'd most likely occur at the hands of this guy. The latter is, I feel, unethical, but this is the nature of things, as I believe.

Only a sad, geeky, spotty, smelly and dandruff-ridden virgin would post this.
Who said I was a virgin?

Oh no, here we go again ..... what a load of arrogant, unprovable sh**e.

Do try to appreciate that you CANNOT judge animals' intellectual or emotional capabilities by comparison to humans.

Why would whales, just for one quick example, WANT to build houses - or fuck their infant children, like humans all too frequently do?
Whales would think of a use for their environment, just like we have. But they can't, because they can't reason.
Would you take a member from out of a newly discovered tribe in the Amazon jungle, stick a USA or UK based IQ test in front of them & decide they were stupid because they couldn't make sense of the questions?

I actually read an article about "lost" Amazon tribes. They pick up from outsiders very quickly. They are no separate species by any means, nor are they less developed in mental faculties.
btw, Hitler, who claimed that Jewish people were "sub-human"; modern-day racists who claim that black people are "less evolved", and anorexics who look in the mirror and see a fat person looking back at them, are guilty of exactly the same as you ... translating their own insecurities into a "truth" full of lies.
I'm not insecure. I see animals posiing no threat to humans, nor do I wish to emulate them. I think that nature needs to go.

Who said I was a virgin?
You posted that you had never dated in your life meaning you are either
a) a virgin
b) a rape victim
c)a rapist
or
d) a frequenter of prostitutes
e) in an arranged marriage

we (being nice) all assumed you were a)

You posted that you had never dated in your life meaning you are either
a) a virgin
b) a rape victim
c)a rapist
or
d) a frequenter of prostitutes
e) in an arranged marriage

we (being nice) all assumed you were a)
Okay, I am one. Happy?

A simple saying: 'Try it before you diss it.'

That pretty much sums it up.

The way you describe how we're supposed to 'overcome' the world around us makes humankind sound like a weapon or plauge. So what, we conquer nature, colonize planets, become beings of pure logic, destroy all the bad aliens or whatever is our next 'challenge', and become autonamous (did I spell that right?) thinking machines that just sit and calculate for all of eternity...is this what you want? Is this what turns you on? (implied joke)

What's the point of that? Because, frankly, if that's what you're looking for, you can transform into that thinking machine right now, man.

The way you describe how we're supposed to 'overcome' the world around us makes humankind sound like a weapon or plauge. So what, we conquer nature, colonize planets, become beings of pure logic, destroy all the bad aliens or whatever is our next 'challenge', and become autonamous (did I spell that right?) thinking machines that just sit and calculate for all of eternity...is this what you want? Is this what turns you on? (implied joke)

What's the point of that? Because, frankly, if that's what you're looking for, you can transform into that thinking machine right now, man.


besides the utter imposibility of such a transformation, which would result in the downfall of what makes a human a human, its a good wish for those who have not explored there own sexuality. Before you ban sex, get laid! :sniper: <--damn thats cool

all i can say is...

are you on crack?

Also, how do you define, 'for the good of mankind'? If the people in power decided to try this, the masses would rip them apart! Why? Because the masses want sex! They're used to it, and they like it, and if you take it away from them, THEY WILL GET PISSED! I would! The universe does not revolve around human beings, and if everything, good or bad, is designed to die at the hands of mankind, then what's the point? What's next, 'ban on art'? 'Ban on aesthetic value?' 'Ban on individuality?', I mean, what are you, a hive mind for christ's sake? PEOPLE LIKE DOING WHAT THEY LIKE TO DO! Period, end of story, tralalala goodbye! YOU CANNOT CHANGE THAT! Enjoy your life for what it is: the wonder of everything around you! Because if you don't, you're gonna' be the most boring person in the world, or the next hitler, or both. Now, if you'll excuse me, you've made me depressed...so I'm going to go eat some chips.

*snorts*

There is no one in the great nine hells who could ever make others stop having sex, even if it was banned. The idea is absurd. The only drawback I see to it, is that it creates more humans to ravage the planet. That's never a good thing.

- Asylum Nova

all i can say is...

are you on crack?


Me?

The only thing we'd take away are feelings governed solely by the physical environment, which are volatile, and as I've been harping on, they can and often do override reason. Life would be far better without sex, or sexual thoughts. Love should not be based on this, either, but rather a sense of mutual intimacy and committment. Love based on physical feelings is dangerous to any human involved. Deux points.

a} There are far more dangerous human flaws than sex

b} Love is not usually based on physical feelings. Love is not always between a man and a woman (for instance, mothers love their sons… Jesus loves you!), but sex is normally an instinctual way to express the love. I reiterate: there are far more important issues in human nature.

The need to procreate is next to fear as the most evil of the primative human instincts, and is, indeed, the most basic instinct. I say we enforce a worldwide ban on all sex, and reproduce using artificial semination only.


Without sex we simply could not exist, it's that simple. If someone does not want to have sex all their life that is there personal choice why the fuck should it be impossed on everyone else.

I don't plan on having children but also don't plan on never making love to my husband again. Some people have horrible experences, I get that but you can have horrible experences in so many countless factions of your life, it doesn't mean that it should be unverisally banned, nor that you will never find something good in that aspect again.

Ban it for yourself, if it's sex and not rape it's not hurting anyone. We've already banned rape in the us at the very least, but actaul sex? It's two consulting parties that want to entering into the action.

Right, so you're going to ban sex?

*watches Ukraine style protests but 20x bigger emerge*

*watches protests turn violent*

Hmm... I wonder how long this will last?

"From my cold, dead hands"

Deux points.

a} There are far more dangerous human flaws than sex

b} Love is not usually based on physical feelings. Love is not always between a man and a woman (for instance, mothers love their sons… Jesus loves you!), but sex is normally an instinctual way to express the love. I reiterate: there are far more important issues in human nature.
Sex and love are not the same thing, and you acknowledge that. So do I. But the feelings sex produces are truely physical, and not needed in a relationship. They make for relationships based on physical dependence.
And btw, there are far more important flaws out there, but sex gets the most posters. I find it to be utterly useless in the days of artificial semination. Anyhow, what I seek to do is to replace many instincts, like the instinct to be great, with reason. Reason is far superior than instinct, and it is reason that makes humans the top of the food chain (save for a few freak bear accidents here and there :)).

come on this is easily the biggest piss take I have ever seen how can it have possibly lasted this long?

come on this is easily the biggest piss take I have ever seen how can it have possibly lasted this long?
It is rather good, isn't it?

gotta admitt gotta be pretty dedicated to come up with that kinda twisted thread

gotta admitt gotta be pretty dedicated to come up with that kinda twisted thread
Or just trolling...

yup

I spose we arn't helping really by just adding posts ................................................ahh well

yup

I spose we arn't helping really by just adding posts ................................................ahh well
Rest in peace now, bansex. Don't get dug up again.

Sex is not an entirely physical experience. A deep emotional bond occurs to two people who have sex (when they love each other already, that is, not counting one night stands, and even then the two people will wonder about each other).

But the feelings sex produces are truely physical, and not needed in a relationship. They make for relationships based on physical dependence.
all feelings are purely physical; every feeling you have is the result of physical, chemical events in your brain, events that are triggered by physical cues. if the worth of an emotion is to be determined by how physical it is, then all emotions are equally worthless according to your standard. therefore, relationships should be totally emotionless...mmm, sounds like fun!

Sex is not an entirely physical experience. A deep emotional bond occurs to two people who have sex (when they love each other already, that is, not counting one night stands, and even then the two people will wonder about each other).
not true. sex does not have to create or change an emotional bond in the slightest. it does for many people, perhaps most people, but not all people. it is quite possible to have fun, compassionate, enjoyable sex with somebody and not have your feelings toward them change one bit.

It is rather good, isn't it?


It's not good. It's a work of art.

Sex, like everything has its good and bad...
It can be good for some and bad for others
Some like it, some don't
A sex life can begin too early or too late
It can reproduce children, it can also reproduce disease
Some treat it too seriously like an art, something only the ''beautiful'' and ''experienced'' can enjoy. This is nonsense. However, down to personal experience and listening to the experiences of many others, a sex life at the age of sixteen or younger can be very damaging for future sexual experience. I would like to see the age limit for sex raised to the age of 17/18. After applying this, sex should be much more widely discussed to all ages of 12 and above, and most importantly, propoganda within the sex industry should be banned. All people should be able to talk about sex very openly and discuss it as the natural purpose in life, enjoyment and reproduction. All power should aid in nobody being afraid to talk about their sexuality or their views/experiences/ questions etc about sex.
For example, sex education in schools is far too basic. These adolescents learn nothing about the true meaning of sex or what in fact is envolved. Its drummed into them about contraception (which is good) but that is as far as it goes. It should no longer be treated as a taboo subject. Too many of our children are growing up to believe that sex is wrong, dirty and have an awe- inspiring fear of it. Growing up with views like this is when mistakes happen in their sex lives because they simply do not understand what they are doing, or why. I could spend paragraph after paragraph babbling but i won't because i'm in a good mood. A swift move to my fist point though; i do think that the age of sexual activity should be raised to 17/18, however, due to ''un-controllable'' sexual urges of some younger people, they should be allowed from the age of 16 to access pornography and sex toys. Don't know about you, but when my daughter gets to 16 i would much rather her lose her virginity by masturbating than with some random boy from school and someone's house party, that way, she could be some what prepared for sex, do it privately, nobody would have to know if she didn't want them too, she couldn't catch STD's or get pregnant. Marvellous idea! Same applies with the males, apart from the pregnancy bit obviously, only if he was masturbating freely, he wouldn't have to worry about getting someone pregnant by mistake.

Right, this is where i leave you with my debatory issues. I would love to hear all your responses on such matters. :fluffle:

It's not good. It's a work of art.True. It has all the major hallmarks of a Turner Prize winner. That is:

1. It attracts a phenomenal amount of attention...
2. ...yet is utterly pointless.

I agree! Sex is over rated. Infact, I think we should ban all human contact. Who needs to reproduce? The world is going to end oneday, why not make it sooner?!

I agree! Sex is over rated. Infact, I think we should ban all human contact. Who needs to reproduce? The world is going to end oneday, why not make it sooner?!
Ah, but just because we stop existing, the world won't end. In fact, if we stop raping Mother Nature, then the world will end later rather than sooner.

You're right, the world wouldn't end. But human life would, what could be better?!

You're right, the world wouldn't end. But human life would, what could be better?!
The end of teen pop?

Hmm that would improve society quite a bit... I also think all people who are pathetic enough to stop having sex when told to deserve to die out. Let us ban all "music" that, well, isn't real music AND ban sex. That way, we would be able to listen to artists such as Nirvana 24/7 and all the idiots out there would be using vibrators and/or getting very tired arms

WTF!!! :sniper: :sniper: :sniper:

WTF!!! :sniper: :sniper: :sniper:
Wow. Great first post. Congratulations.

WHAT A WANKER!

nuff said

The argument boils down to this:

A very small minority of people using this topic are in favour of the complete removal of sexual activity from ours lives, and the uses of artificial means of continuing the 'human condition' - or just letting the species die out entirely

However, the vast majority of people who are actively participating in this topic are wholly in support of sex, on many different grounds ranging from fun, civil liberties, natural reproduction of the species, etc

What the small minority have to accept is that the population of the world will NEVER ratify this proposal, nor will they endorse any leader who tries to implement it.

Have any of you read 'The Handmaid's Tale' by Margaret Atwood? I would strongly recommend it - it's a great example of a dystopian society associated with sex.

Sex and love are not the same thing, and you acknowledge that. So do I. But the feelings sex produces are truely physical, and not needed in a relationship. They make for relationships based on physical dependence.
And btw, there are far more important flaws out there, but sex gets the most posters. I find it to be utterly useless in the days of artificial semination. Anyhow, what I seek to do is to replace many instincts, like the instinct to be great, with reason. Reason is far superior than instinct, and it is reason that makes humans the top of the food chain (save for a few freak bear accidents here and there :)).

Yes, but apparently (I cannot use my non-existent experience to vouch for this) sex creates an emotional bond.

Also, how does sex threaten humanity's sanity or thinking in any way? The act doesn't influence ideology, neither does it wear down the brain. It undoubtedly is primitive, but it is not dangerous.

Yes, but apparently (I cannot use my non-existent experience to vouch for this) sex creates an emotional bond.

Also, how does sex threaten humanity's sanity or thinking in any way? The act doesn't influence ideology, neither does it wear down the brain. It undoubtedly is primitive, but it is not dangerous.
As I have said, sex is instinct, and instinct overrides reason. The emotional bond you're talking about is really a physical one that disguises itself as an emotional one.

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All emotions are physical - electric pulses in our brain and/or chemicals.

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OH don't tell me your still at it!!!!???

WTF!!! :sniper: :sniper: :sniper:
The depth of this post...amazing!
Everyone, gasp in awe.

WTF!!! :sniper: :sniper: :sniper:
AWE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

For all of you flaming him, did it ever occur to you that he won't have sex, and possibly not have kids so there won't be any more of him?

Sorry if this was mentioned already.

For all of you flaming him, did it ever occur to you that he won't have sex, and possibly not have kids so there won't be any more of him?

Sorry if this was mentioned already.
As I already said, artificial semination. That's what makes my arguement more than just a hollow shout.

As I have said, sex is instinct, and instinct overrides reason. The emotional bond you're talking about is really a physical one that disguises itself as an emotional one.
again, ALL EMOTIONS ARE PHYSICAL. the emotions prompted by sexual contact are no more or less legitimate than any other emotions, and are caused in the same structures and by the same chemicals and impulses as other emotions. if you think sexual love is irrelevant than you must also believe that all emotions are irrelevant. that's a fine opinion for you to hold, but you need to be consistent.

again, ALL EMOTIONS ARE PHYSICAL. the emotions prompted by sexual contact are no more or less legitimate than any other emotions, and are caused in the same structures and by the same chemicals and impulses as other emotions. if you think sexual love is irrelevant than you must also believe that all emotions are irrelevant. that's a fine opinion for you to hold, but you need to be consistent.
Very true, though I have to say that sexual physiology is actually different than other ones, though some are interrlated, but, again, just as legitimate as any other.

As I already said, artificial semination. That's what makes my arguement more than just a hollow shout.
Wait...you don't have any offspring, do you? Because that'd be terrifying.

again, ALL EMOTIONS ARE PHYSICAL. the emotions prompted by sexual contact are no more or less legitimate than any other emotions, and are caused in the same structures and by the same chemicals and impulses as other emotions. if you think sexual love is irrelevant than you must also believe that all emotions are irrelevant. that's a fine opinion for you to hold, but you need to be consistent.
Well the nature of sex is far more physical than that of most other emotions. It is caused by a physical experience, and is done by a physical reaction. Besides, it is the only emotion that is completely dependent on outside stimuli. Other emotions are assisted by thought and reason, but not sex.

Well the nature of sex is far more physical than that of most other emotions. It is caused by a physical experience, and is done by a physical reaction. Besides, it is the only emotion that is completely dependent on outside stimuli. Other emotions are assisted by thought and reason, but not sex.
You wish!

Well the nature of sex is far more physical than that of most other emotions.

um, sex is not an emotion. also, the act of having sex is no more or less physical than any emotion; all are 100% physical, after all


It is caused by a physical experience, and is done by a physical reaction.

as are all emotions. please name one that isn't.


Besides, it is the only emotion that is completely dependent on outside stimuli.

all emotions are dependent on outside stimuli. name one that isn't.


Other emotions are assisted by thought and reason, but not sex.
again, what emotion are you talking about? "sex" is not the name of an emotion. if you think passion, romance, sexual attraction, love, or any combination of the above are not assisted by thought and reason then you clearly have no concept of what sex is. that's not necessarily your fault, you may just be uninformed and inexperienced, and you can certainly learn with time.

Have you ever noticed that the countries than produce the most terrorists are extremely repressive to sexual activity? When women cannot show themselves, and men cannot see them, they go crazy with horniness, and srike out visiously at those who have what they what..

(Jokingly, but with a tinge of seriousness)

Hey man, if you've never dated, kissed, or had an erotic fantasy in your life, then you are really behind the dateline and have the totally wrong idea of what sex is and what it's about. Sex is our natural way of reproducing. If we just cloned and cloned, then we would all have the same or very similar genes and our entire soriety would be, almost, computer generated. We can't have that! Diversity is one of the few good things about the world. If you take that away, then the entire world would be, basically, one race. That's not going to happen and never will happen.
Sex is primitive, yes, but hasn't our evolution of life been based off of our primitaveness the entire time. Eating is primitave, going to the bathroom is primitave. My point is that primitaveness will never go away, and you know what that means, sex will never go away, either. And, just a little fact for you, 10 out of 10 people you ask are going to say that they like sex.
Sorry, homie, your little ban just ain't gonna happen...ever.

Sex cannot be ignored! Even if you dont have sex, it will still haunt you in your head...it's horomones! Everyone has them! So no matter how hard you try, you cannot deny the sexual urge, the urge to feel pleasure and spread the species(humans of course)...

How stupid can you get thinking of something like this!

Try to outlaw violence first. its a basic instict too, and just as primitive. If you can make everyone in the world stop being mean and aggressive, then you should try for banning sex.

:eek:

Im in favour of banning violence first too, why is it that we censor sex and then allow out children to play violent video games that promote killing and destruction?

sex is a natural, very beautiful thing - let keep it that way. :fluffle:

The need to procreate is next to fear as the most evil of the primative human instincts, and is, indeed, the most basic instinct. I say we enforce a worldwide ban on all sex, and reproduce using artificial semination only.



Start the "Anti-sex League".

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Alright, for all of you sex lovers out there: Sex should be banned because it is a worthless activity that drains people of their ability to reason. Just look at all of the people who have thrown away all reason because of their lust for sex!

In fact, let's go all the way: forget "natural" reproduction altogether and begin working on the axlotl tanks. Hopefully they will be perfected before everyone is dead.

Did you read enough of that series to find out that the "axlotl tanks" actually were? :eek:

This thread is STILL going?

Wow :p

This thread is STILL going?

Wow :p

Yeah, but I think any given thread can go only sixty or so pages long.

Hey Anthrus, has there been anyone but you and me on the "anti-sex" side? If you don't remember me, I was the 15 year old who battled off the other side for quite a few pages, back when this thing was still in it's "teens". I fought until the 30's, but I expected this to die down by then...

You may as well cut off your arm!I'm thinking something rather different, just to show his belief in his own proposal.

Alright, for all of you sex lovers out there: Sex should be banned because it is a worthless activity that drains people of their ability to reason. Just look at all of the people who have thrown away all reason because of their lust for sex!

No, actually it is quite the opposite, actually. When most people don't get sex Hormones take over, and then they lose all sense of reason.

Being the only person here making sensible arguments against your points, besides the way over used "OMG!!!!!!!!!!!! your a fucking moron!!!!!!!!!", I've been trying to kill this thread, by ignoring it, but for some reason I don't wanna dissapoint you.

No, actually it is quite the opposite, actually. When most people don't get sex Hormones take over, and then they lose all sense of reason.

Being the only person here making sensible arguments against your points, besides the way over used "OMG!!!!!!!!!!!! your a fucking moron!!!!!!!!!", I've been trying to kill this thread, by ignoring it, but for some reason I don't wanna dissapoint you.
It's just grown endlessly, hasn't it?

Hey Anthrus, has there been anyone but you and me on the "anti-sex" side? If you don't remember me, I was the 15 year old who battled off the other side for quite a few pages, back when this thing was still in it's "teens". I fought until the 30's, but I expected this to die down by then...
Yes, I remember you. I'm glad that some of our youth think like me regarding sex for they do control the future.

No, actually it is quite the opposite, actually. When most people don't get sex Hormones take over, and then they lose all sense of reason.

Being the only person here making sensible arguments against your points, besides the way over used "OMG!!!!!!!!!!!! your a fucking moron!!!!!!!!!", I've been trying to kill this thread, by ignoring it, but for some reason I don't wanna dissapoint you.

No, there were some intelligent people a while back who challenged me. Also, when hormones take over people have sex, and they simply give in to their temptations. Hormones that drive you insane do so because they make you obsess over sex, which will not happen if you give up the whole affair altogether.

Still what people do in their bedrooms is their business and theirs alone. Banning sex is like banning looking in the mirror. Yes, it's that hard and that stupid.

Still what people do in their bedrooms is their business and theirs alone. Banning sex is like banning looking in the mirror. Yes, it's that hard and that stupid.
Like I said, the "ban" part was just to attract posters. I'm really just morally opposed to sex, and hope others see it my way.

Still what people do in their bedrooms is their business and theirs alone. Banning sex is like banning looking in the mirror. Yes, it's that hard and that stupid.
Personally, I'm referring to a distant future in which humanity (hopefully) wises up to the evils of sex.

Personally, I'm referring to a distant future in which humanity (hopefully) wises up to the evils of sex.
I was too, actually. As I've said, the "ban" part was mostly about attracting posters. Banning sex is a topic that is a bolt from the blue, and has certainly attracted people to the far more boring topic of peacefully eradicating sex.

What is so immoral about sex? Why do you think guys have a dick and females a vagina? For guys, you might say to piss but we could just have a hole for that.

What is so immoral about sex? Why do you think guys have a dick and females a vagina? For guys, you might say to piss but we could just have a hole for that.
To explain it in a nutshell, sexual instincts override reason. They are animalistic in nature, and since the advent of artificial semination, we can do without. We'd be better if we did without.

To explain it in a nutshell, sexual instincts override reason. They are animalistic in nature, and since the advent of artificial semination, we can do without. We'd be better if we did without.




How would we be better?

How would we be better?
Because then we could think clearly, and be unimpeded by lustful feelings, or perhaps even an overdose of passion.

Because then we could think clearly, and be unimpeded by lustful feelings, or perhaps even an overdose of passion.



Think clearly? I know plenty of people who've done the deed and they think more clearly than I, who hasn't.

Think clearly? I know plenty of people who've done the deed and they think more clearly than I, who hasn't.
A man thinks about sex once every six seconds. Trust me, as I am one. Sex dominates our lives. It dictates how we look, dress, interact with one another. It leaves those in a relationship to be physically dependent, and sometimes, that's the only thing there. And, imo, it is a great factor in greed and decadence. Look at tthe Roman Empire, for example. Or more recently, how about the hippie movement. Why did that self destruct? Because sex ripped out its moral fabric, and its reason for rebellion.

Now mods, this thread is sixty pages long, and I'll be unable to manage it any further. Do you guys mind locking this one up for me? Thanks.

A man thinks about sex once every six seconds. Trust me, as I am one. Sex dominates our lives. It dictates how we look, dress, interact with one another. It leaves those in a relationship to be physically dependent, and sometimes, that's the only thing there. And, imo, it is a great factor in greed and decadence. Look at tthe Roman Empire, for example. Or more recently, how about the hippie movement. Why did that self destruct? Because sex ripped out its moral fabric, and its reason for rebellion.



Still, if people want to do it, let them. Our society is in shambles anyway.

Still, if people want to do it, let them. Our society is in shambles anyway.
And I wish to help people rebuild that moral fabric that we never seem to get. We came close a few times in history, but have never quite gotten there.

In fact, let's go all the way: forget "natural" reproduction altogether and begin working on the axlotl tanks. Hopefully they will be perfected before everyone is dead.

Axlotl tanks involve getting rid of the female gender...

I, for one, would like to both look and touch.

Sex=good, natural, and, yes primitive.

But so are we.

By the way, before any bible thumpers appear, sex is endorsed by the Bible, or at least mine (the Jewish one), which Islam and Christianity both profess to be based on.

And I wish to help people rebuild that moral fabric that we never seem to get. We came close a few times in history, but have never quite gotten there.
Have you been reading a lot of late-era Tolstoy?

:fluffle: Bush stated to follow the laws of God. I DO MY BEST to follow them Three times a nite, if you know what I mean.... nudge nudge wink wink
Possibly much much more :D

:fluffle: Bush stated to follow the laws of God. I DO MY BEST to follow them Three times a nite, if you know what I mean.... nudge nudge wink wink
Possibly much much more :D

Exactly What He Said

Whoa, the link is just to another forum budy and this is irrelevant to the threads content.
Did you really have to quote him?

Did you really have to quote him?



I'm bored.

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A man thinks about sex once every six seconds. Trust me, as I am one. Sex dominates our lives. It dictates how we look, dress, interact with one another. It leaves those in a relationship to be physically dependent, and sometimes, that's the only thing there. And, imo, it is a great factor in greed and decadence. Look at tthe Roman Empire, for example. Or more recently, how about the hippie movement. Why did that self destruct? Because sex ripped out its moral fabric, and its reason for rebellion.
Exactly, that is a little thing called horemones, the only way to overcome hormones is genetic engineering. If we genetically engineered people to not have these hormones, then we would all be useless anyway, because you depend on these horemones to mature into adulthood.

The roman empire did not fail because sex, but more of an inequality between the sex's. Men were regarded superior in everyway.

The hippies, so to say imploded because of the drugs not sex.

Exactly, that is a little thing called horemones, the only way to overcome hormones is genetic engineering. If we genetically engineered people to not have these hormones, then we would all be useless anyway, because you depend on these horemones to mature into adulthood.
*Coughs* Umm...we depend on hormones to live.

*Coughs* Umm...we depend on hormones to live.
thats my point

way to go everyone, you've successfully tried to prove how smart you are over the internet instead of having a discussion

Exactly, that is a little thing called horemones, the only way to overcome hormones is genetic engineering. If we genetically engineered people to not have these hormones, then we would all be useless anyway, because you depend on these horemones to mature into adulthood.

The roman empire did not fail because sex, but more of an inequality between the sex's. Men were regarded superior in everyway.

The hippies, so to say imploded because of the drugs not sex.
The hormone in question, testosterone, can be reengineered to eliminate sexual thought. Of course, it'd be far more preferrable (and less work) if iwe learned to override this particular instinct.

BTW, the Roman Empire did not fall solely because of sex, but a lot of corruption there was sex based. As for the hippies, their sex-driven rebellion led them to drugs. The die hards that exist today are obsessed with sex.

Take one look at Aerou and tell me if you could ban sex (and I don't care if you're male or female).

thats my point
Well, you said just to mature. But hormones do a lot more than just that...

The hormone in question, testosterone, can be reengineered to eliminate sexual thought.
Umm...no? Testosterone induces and maintains male secondary sex characteristics. Genital development and sexual urges are a fundemental part of that. With our forseeable levels of techonology, we will not be able to reëngineer testosterone to ever eliminate sexual thought.

BTW, the Roman Empire did not fall solely because of sex, but a lot of corruption there was sex based.
Excluding the governmental corruption, of course.

As for the hippies, their sex-driven rebellion led them to drugs.
No, their hedonism-driven rebellion led them to both drugs and sex. It was more fundamental than sex leading to drugs.

The need to procreate is next to fear as the most evil of the primative human instincts, and is, indeed, the most basic instinct. I say we enforce a worldwide ban on all sex, and reproduce using artificial semination only.
faggit

Testosterone is the most important hormone we have. It is our drive, it is our courage, it is our passion.

Without it, human is nothing.

faggit
Hmm excellent first post.

How would you enforce such a law? Certain forms of sex are banned right now in certain states but that doesn't stop people from enjoying those acts. Take oral sex, it is against the law in several states in the sotheast but that doesn't mean that it doesn't happen there. The results of such a law would be similar to prohibition in the 1920's, people would want it more. It's been around for so long that it cannot be taken away.

He didn't even spell it right...Not that I'd expect to find it in a spell-checker. :rolleyes:

Umm...no? Testosterone induces and maintains male secondary sex characteristics. Genital development and sexual urges are a fundemental part of that. With our forseeable levels of techonology, we will not be able to reëngineer testosterone to ever eliminate sexual thought.

That's what I said it is easier to try and override these feelings with reason. Of course, we will probably be able to reengineer testosterone, or any hormone, sometime in the future.

New to the discussion, but against banning sex. I say that as someone who is looking at a fairly long time of voluntary and involuntary celibacy.

The idea behind banning sex is an extreme reaction to the ills in society that we are facing today, which are sex related. But the fact is - the problem is not "sex" it is unbalanced human behavior. Sex glorified above all else, and sought after above all else is unhealthy. If a person behaves this way they may as well worship sex as a god before God. But in balance, sex is very beneficial to the human being. Besides naturally furthering the species, such as we are evolved to do, sex also triggers other kinds of hormonal reactions - including the release of oxytocin, which cause bonding, and temper our natures with a gentler aspect.

The foundation of the world is the family - the family is bonded through oxytocin - two unrelated people, a husband and a wife, create an oxytocin bond through sexual contact, and in turn create oxytocin bonds through nurturing offspring... being socialized into strongly bonded loving families enables people to create socially cohesive wider units. That's just a fancy way of saying that the family is the basic building block of society.

Thought I'd drop in and check on you Anthrus, and your riddance of sex crusade. How is it going? I put you on my list of most respected NS'ers btw. Not cause I agree with you though ;)

:fluffle:

Let's all just take a dose of Prozium and prepare for Airstrip One's Hate Week.

New to the discussion, but against banning sex. I say that as someone who is looking at a fairly long time of voluntary and involuntary celibacy.

The idea behind banning sex is an extreme reaction to the ills in society that we are facing today, which are sex related. But the fact is - the problem is not "sex" it is unbalanced human behavior. Sex glorified above all else, and sought after above all else is unhealthy. If a person behaves this way they may as well worship sex as a god before God. But in balance, sex is very beneficial to the human being. Besides naturally furthering the species, such as we are evolved to do, sex also triggers other kinds of hormonal reactions - including the release of oxytocin, which cause bonding, and temper our natures with a gentler aspect.

The foundation of the world is the family - the family is bonded through oxytocin - two unrelated people, a husband and a wife, create an oxytocin bond through sexual contact, and in turn create oxytocin bonds through nurturing offspring... being socialized into strongly bonded loving families enables people to create socially cohesive wider units. That's just a fancy way of saying that the family is the basic building block of society.
That's my other problem with it. Sex leaves couples physically depenedent on one another, when they should be in a marraige of cooperation. You seem to be advocating for a strong physical bond to keep the family together, but as soon as that bond is broken, the family snaps apart. And that bond is quite fickle.

Thought I'd drop in and check on you Anthrus, and your riddance of sex crusade. How is it going? I put you on my list of most respected NS'ers btw. Not cause I agree with you though ;)

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Thank you. Anyhow, it's been going on far longer than I expected.

I see that. I'm still hoping you have in-laws one day though ;-)

I see that. I'm still hoping you have in-laws one day though ;-)
So do I.

Hey Anthrus. You're against sex, but do you still plan to get married?

What does this crazy mean by being against sex? Is he against sex period, the urge to proctrate, or sex that results in procreation.

Lets see:
Against sex period = the ultimate underdog, vague, but still crazy
Against the urge to procrate = angry at his dick?
Against sex that results in procreation = had a kid he didn't want?

Hey Anthrus. You're against sex, but do you still plan to get married?
Probably. Like I've been saying, I believe in artificial semination. Besides, it'll proobably be more ethical by the time I do have kids.
And in case you are wondering, this has nothing to do with parenthood. This has more to do with sex itself.

Probably. Like I've been saying, I believe in artificial semination. Besides, it'll proobably be more ethical by the time I do have kids.
And in case you are wondering, this has nothing to do with parenthood. This has more to do with sex itself.


So your saying that people shouldn't have sex to express a deep and very connected love between them? Sex is like kissing or hugging, physical expression of love.

Probably. Like I've been saying, I believe in artificial semination. Besides, it'll proobably be more ethical by the time I do have kids.
And in case you are wondering, this has nothing to do with parenthood. This has more to do with sex itself.
Meh. I'm even more radical than you then. I don't plan to get married at all. I just have higher priorities in life than romance, I guess...

Sex is a natural thing. If you don't want to have sex, then don't - I don't care. Easy.

Meh. I'm even more radical than you then. I don't plan to get married at all. I just have higher priorities in life than romance, I guess...
Probably. As I said, my opposition to sex primarily stems from philosophical purposes. And I do indeed advocate relationships to be more like a family-type love, not romantic. But otherwise, I probably will have kids.

Probably. As I said, my opposition to sex primarily stems from philosophical purposes. And I do indeed advocate relationships to be more like a family-type love, not romantic. But otherwise, I probably will have kids.


see....my jedi mind tricks are working slowly. ;)

Romance isn't a priority if it is legit, it is natural. Besides, besides getting a job, house, etc, I don't really have many priorites in my life after uiniversity. Mind, I'm not that ambitious.

There will never be a ban on sex. Maybe in some small, backwards fundamentalist countries there will be one day, but the fact that people like sex will prevent a worldwide ban. Let's face it: People who don't like sex are freaks.

While intercourse may be a physical act - interest, intent, attraction, etc begin in the mind...care to try and rid us of our minds?

And for a woman- the physical desire for another - doesn't depend just on hormones - ask any woman who's gone through menopause, or had an OHE - I can assure you from personal experience you can still become aroused.

Let's face it: People who don't like sex are freaks.
Oh, so kind of you tom say that. And again, I'm referring to a distant future where humans will (hopefully) become mature enough to give up this foolish thing.

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Just let the topic die. It's exhausted itself.

Just let the topic die. It's exhausted itself.
Perhaps, perhaps not. I have a feeling that there may be interested parties out there. After all, most of the usual opponets of mine haven't posted. And while you did post against me, I don't think you've been on too long before this.

Perhaps, perhaps not. I have a feeling that there may be interested parties out there. After all, most of the usual opponets of mine haven't posted. And while you did post against me, I don't think you've been on too long before this.

No further progress is being made on this; you don't believe sex is important, other people do. I imagine there are others who would like to take shots at you for this, so if that's what you want, by all means, bump away.

Me, I don't care. I just know that if I didn't get release once in awhile, I probably wouldn't be able to focus on more important things.

Perhaps, perhaps not. I have a feeling that there may be interested parties out there. After all, most of the usual opponets of mine haven't posted. And while you did post against me, I don't think you've been on too long before this.
Just be a good kid and let the sick puppy die. I haven't posted because I want the poor little thing to die a short death.

The need to procreate is next to fear as the most evil of the primative human instincts, and is, indeed, the most basic instinct. I say we enforce a worldwide ban on all sex, and reproduce using artificial semination only.
You've never had sex have you.

Oh, you're an original one.

By the way, I'm only returning for the sheer hilarity of my opposition. First I'm called a homophobe, then a deviant, what next?

A) The anti-sex league does have cool sashes.

B) Sex feels good, and it doesn't hurt anyone. There's only benefit!

:sniper: shoot yourself :headbang: people like you make me want to hit my head on a wall 1337 5|>34|< |>\/\/0|\|5

Anthrus, you make a good arguement and you voice your beliefs cleary with specific evidence. You'd make a good lawyer someday. But still, sex is a very important thing. Psychologists define it as the greatest bonding experience we know, and to simply not partake in it at all is foolish and unjust. And, like so many other people have said, it just feels good.

:sniper: shoot yourself :headbang: people like you make me want to hit my head on a wall 1337 5|>34|< |>\/\/0|\|5
this person is a douchebag

In fact, let's go all the way: forget "natural" reproduction altogether and begin working on the axlotl tanks. Hopefully they will be perfected before everyone is dead.

Agreed. Axlotl tanks, it is. I wonder if we'd ever be able to pull that off?


And, sex is mine. I like, I want.

End of story.

:D

You see, people? This thread is still alive!

Hello, Children! I, the Supreme Theologian, the Answer to all of Your Questions, the Solution to all of Your Problems, sayeth that this is found in the Writings, and transcribed in the memiors of Leonid Brezhnev:
"And I saw the future, every man and woman was born not knowing how to reproduce, for they had no organs. Lo, it was a golden society resting atop a shimmering hill. It was one of progress and hapiness, and no sadness nor war erupted, for there is no sex."
May he burn in the many fires of Hell for writing such a sacred piece in such a foresaken book.

Hello, Children! I, the Supreme Theologian, the Answer to all of Your Questions, the Solution to all of Your Problems, sayeth that this is found in the Writings, and transcribed in the memiors of Leonid Brezhnev:
"And I saw the future, every man and woman was born not knowing how to reproduce, for they had no organs. Lo, it was a golden society resting atop a shimmering hill. It was one of progress and hapiness, and no sadness nor war erupted, for there is no sex."
May he burn in the many fires of Hell for writing such a sacred piece in such a foresaken book.
wtf, mate?

Okay, he's off line. Take a look at who posted two or three posts above me, guys. I'm having an aneurysm on this site by my luck.

The need to procreate is next to fear as the most evil of the primative human instincts, and is, indeed, the most basic instinct. I say we enforce a worldwide ban on all sex, and reproduce using artificial semination only.


....that's beyond insane.

You see, people? This thread is still alive!
What new material has been presented in the last 40 pages, praytell?

I have only read the first page of this topic, but this whole "New Anthrus" kid seems awfully familliar of some kid i used to talk to back at some other messageboard that went by the name of Masamune. He really felt that he was socially unacceptable, and that since he couldnt get any, nobody else should, either.

He went off and tried to convince people of his view. Failed Horriblly. Thats about it.

Alright, Anthrus. Let's keep this thing alive until it reaches 1000 posts. That'll be quite an achievment, no?

And while im at it, ill count down the posts before i get my first hundred!! Yeahhh!!!

This is my last post on this thread, so I'm sad to say, I'm not going to be giving you any more input, in the hopes that the poor thing may finally die

I have only read the first page of this topic, but this whole "New Anthrus" kid seems awfully familliar of some kid i used to talk to back at some other messageboard that went by the name of Masamune. He really felt that he was socially unacceptable, and that since he couldnt get any, nobody else should, either.

He went off and tried to convince people of his view. Failed Horriblly. Thats about it.
I'm definitly not like that. I just feel that sex is bad for humanity.

man this thing is still going?

man this thing is still going?
Yep.

it's about to hit the 65-page limit...

it's about to hit the 65-page limit...
Well, I may start a second thread about this. It has really become popular, and I believe that some opinionated people are being left out.

Only 56 more posts to go!
Oh, and by the way, people. Sex is EVIL! Ahem. Well, it drains a persons thoughts and emotions, making them obsess over a person's flesh.

Sex is EVIL! Ahem. Well, it drains a persons thoughts and emotions, making them obsess over a person's flesh.
Please, you really don't need to tell us about your copulative cannibalism. And sex does not drains thoughts or emotions. It strengthens emotions, except for sexual perverts, and can augment thought. Copulation assists with health as long as no venereal diseases are contracted, physically and mentally. Not to mention that large amounts of endorphins are released, which is always a good thing.

Please, you really don't need to tell us about your copulative cannibalism. And sex does not drains thoughts or emotions. It strengthens emotions, except for sexual perverts, and can augment thought. Copulation assists with health as long as no venereal diseases are contracted, physically and mentally. Not to mention that large amounts of endorphins are released, which is always a good thing.
First of all, endorphins can be released through exercise. Second, I know a vast amount of people who give away their lives to the pursuit of sex. Their grades fall because they care more about exchanging bodily fluids with someone than studying for a test. It is irrational and unnecessary.

First of all, endorphins can be released through exercise.
Want to compare the level of endorphins released through exercise and those in sex? Didn't think so, because they aren't even comparable. Sex is pretty much the best way to get endorphins. I guess you might be able to inject them, or something, but seeming as these proteins are produced in the brain, I'm not sure if injection into the bloodstream alone will do it.

Second, I know a vast amount of people who give away their lives to the pursuit of sex. Their grades fall because they care more about exchanging bodily fluids with someone than studying for a test. It is irrational and unnecessary.
That's their loss and lack of self control. Taking away sex will not remove their degenerative personality. And that wouldn't effect me too much, because I never study for any tests, and pretty much always get A's. Especially in science.

While the amounts are not similiar, they come at a lower price.
And while it is their fault for allowing sex to control their lives, the truth remains that sex, along with drugs and alchohol remains one of the main causes of this. As for your grades, well, not all of us are geniuses. I for one am a moron, and need to study as much as possible to gain A's.

While the amounts are not similiar, they come at a lower price.
But that still doesn't address what is lost. Are you like that guy in Dr. Strangelove? Are those commies stealing our precious bodily fluids?

I'd be pretty damned pissed if someone tried to ban sex before I even got a chance to try it.

Anyone who agrees that the world would be better off without sex, do us all a favor and kill yourselves now!

I'd be pretty damned pissed if someone tried to ban sex before I even got a chance to try it.

Anyone who agrees that the world would be better off without sex, do us all a favor and kill yourselves now!
No. I think I'lll stick around just a bit longer.

for all of you who think sex should be banned how about YOU dont have sex and WE do i think that solves everyones problems does anyone oppose that? :D

for all of you who think sex should be banned how about YOU dont have sex and WE do i think that solves everyones problems does anyone oppose that? :D
No, because sex is harmful for all human beings. They lose their intelligence because they fall prey to lust, and do things they normally wouldn't dare just to have sex.

But that still doesn't address what is lost. Are you like that guy in Dr. Strangelove? Are those commies stealing our precious bodily fluids?
Yes. Yes I am. MWA! HA! HA! Ahem.
Sex is harmful for all human beings. They lose their intelligence because they fall prey to lust, and do things they normally wouldn't dare just to have sex.

BUMP! (almost there!)

:( But I like sex.

Sex is harmful for all human beings. They lose their intelligence because they fall prey to lust, and do things they normally wouldn't dare just to have sex.
I'm guessing they lose their intelligence along with their stolen PBFs, right?

Yes. Yes I am. MWA! HA! HA! Ahem.
Sex is harmful for all human beings. They lose their intelligence because they fall prey to lust, and do things they normally wouldn't dare just to have sex.

So you want to ban anything that may be harmful, regardless?

No, because sex is harmful for all human beings. They lose their intelligence because they fall prey to lust, and do things they normally wouldn't dare just to have sex.

People can be like that and not have sex...

Additionally, irresponsible sex is a bad thing, yes. What's the point in it if you don't care about the person you're doing it with?

Eitherway, if you ban sex you're just gonna either increase masturbation or have worldwar 3 on your hands. A war by the way, you'd never win and thats a fact. People who tend to have sex tend to reproduce alot faster than people that don't.

People can be like that and not have sex...

Additionally, irresponsible sex is a bad thing, yes. What's the point in it if you don't care about the person you're doing it with?

Eitherway, if you ban sex you're just gonna either increase masturbation or have worldwar 3 on your hands. A war by the way, you'd never win and thats a fact. People who tend to have sex tend to reproduce alot faster than people that don't.
Again, referring to a distant future where humanity has (hopefully) wisened up.

So you want to ban anything that may be harmful, regardless?
Not may. Is!

I'm guessing they lose their intelligence along with their stolen PBFs, right?
What's a PBF?

Anti-sex movements are caused by one of 2 factors:
1. Religious fanatics that don't realize that all religion WAS MADE UP. ALL OF IT. EVERYTHING YOU BELIEVE WAS SPAWN OUT OF SOME PRIMITIVE HUMAN BRAIN TO EXPLAIN THE THINGS THAT HE COULD NOT.

2. Losers who have not gotten laid. If they HAD their response to this would be, SCREW YOU I LIKE SEX.

The world doesn't need more celibacy, it needs more atheists.

Wtf?

Dude, No.

What's a PBF?
Precious bodily fluid.

Hello! We would not evolve if we were not trying to impress the op. sex! example, if there was no sex Horrible things would happen!! Example A: bob
Now Bob met this girl, bob went and got a paper rout so he could have money to buy a gift for a girl, Bob buys gift, bob goes out on date, bob continues to make money, girl continues to get gifts, eventually after a date bob takes girl home, bob finally gets his reward for all his hard work. See If it weren't for the girl Bob never would have gotten the paper rout! Any one who says sex sucks, is A: a bitch B: a loser who never has had some C: a member of a cult where they cut off your (Censored) and What about marrige!!! Hello people! do you think a man would marry a woman just for company! Fine don't have sex, as for me I'm going to the strip club! (I suppose you think kissing in public is wrong too? OH NO! it might offend someone, what ever shall we do?! F*ck that :fluffle:

I've never dated in my life.


Um when you start and when you have sex please revisit this post and realise what a fool you were.

BTW I would also suggest you change hands. Might feel better

The need to procreate is next to fear as the most evil of the primative human instincts, and is, indeed, the most basic instinct. I say we enforce a worldwide ban on all sex, and reproduce using artificial semination only.


Dude, what world are you living in? Come on...Ban Sex??? That is the most ludicris idea I have ever heard. What fun is there in artificial insemination? sounds to me like you never had any good sex, cause if you did, I doubt you'ld want to ban it. Don't you ever feel that need to be intimate with another person? A closeness only felt through love making. Why do you have such negative views on sex? Why do you think it's evil? Sounds to me like a classic case of brainwashing.

The need to procreate is next to fear as the most evil of the primative human instincts, and is, indeed, the most basic instinct. I say we enforce a worldwide ban on all sex, and reproduce using artificial semination only.
*sighs and is happy this guy's genes won't be passed on to the next generation*

Ban Sex? Horrors!!! "faints"

1) Women are stealing our precious bodily fluids! You can't give them to those thieves!

LOL WTF? Yeah, what about when you wack off? aren't you wasting it then?

LOL WTF? Yeah, what about when you wack off? aren't you wasting it then?
He was being sarcastic, infidel. Also, I am opposed to "wacking off" as well.

Dude, what world are you living in? Come on...Ban Sex??? That is the most ludicris idea I have ever heard. What fun is there in artificial insemination? sounds to me like you never had any good sex, cause if you did, I doubt you'ld want to ban it. Don't you ever feel that need to be intimate with another person? A closeness only felt through love making. Why do you have such negative views on sex? Why do you think it's evil? Sounds to me like a classic case of brainwashing.

*Sigh*. Let me explain it one more time. Sex leads to human beings becoming controlled by lust rather than rational thought.

WHY IS THIS THREAD STILL GOING?!?!?!?!? :sniper:

Because people like you, who use smileys, continue to respond. Also, I'm trying to get to 1000.

Dude. Here's an idea. You just go and ban yourself from having sex. Live by example. This will prevent your genetic material from entering the gene pool. God forbid you raise kids. Test tube grown or otherwise.

A society based on your asenine beliefs would be doomed to hypocracy.
Read "The Handmaids Tale" and you'll probably identify with the folks in that book.

Freak.

WHY IS THIS THREAD STILL GOING?!?!?!?!? :sniper:
lol

Yeah, I know, this thread was going, what, a month ago? Jeez, 989 posts, that's a lot of people with a bunch of free time on their hands.

I'll probably be a crank for now. But I think that this may actually gain traction one day.
In what freaking screwed up universe will this gain traction?!?! Are you insane?!

Isn't it ironic that New Anthrus has 'pimp' beneath his name?

I can do without sex, it would be totally horrible, and would total suck, but I wouldnt DIE without it. There are, obviously, OTHER things you can do... :fluffle:

Now if you banned rollercoasters or running, i'd have to kill you :D

All I have to say is:

Welcome to City 17. It's safer here.

All I have to say is:

Welcome to City 17. It's safer here.

That's exactly what I thought when I read the first post...

No, because sex is harmful for all human beings. They lose their intelligence because they fall prey to lust, and do things they normally wouldn't dare just to have sex.

People would still lust even if you banned sex. Besides, how exactly do you intend to stop 6 billion people from having sex, when 5,999,999,999 of them WANT to have sex?

The need to procreate is next to fear as the most evil of the primative human instincts, and is, indeed, the most basic instinct. I say we enforce a worldwide ban on all sex, and reproduce using artificial semination only.

dude,are u gay or somthin

How would you go about enforcing this law, Would you cut off every ones penis's and sew up every ones vaginas?.
I think the only reason you are against sex is because you cant have sex for some reason or you were molested when you were younger.

Alibongo.Thats just silly.

ooops.Mixed Alibongo up with gargonia....

dude,are u gay or somthin
Uh, though I am totally against this guy's suggestion, may I just point out that gays have sex too.

How would you plan to impose such a ban?

Also, if you take that pleasure away from people, they are going to look for something to replace it. Do you have any idea what that would be? Well, in the day of "better living through chemistry" it will a pharmaceutical.