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How could I have missed this?

Klonor
03-12-2004, 02:54
As I'm sure you all know, I pride myself on my varied and voracious reading appetite. I read whatever I can get my hands on, from historical fiction to science fiction to examinations of Babylonian law (Yes, I've actually read a few). I also pride myself on my grasp of what I read, how well I understand the written word. Considering that I read Shakespeare when I was five I think my grasp is pretty strong. But, on re-reading the Iliad (for fun), I noticed something huge that I've missed previously.

When you think of Ancient Greek heroes a few names spring to the front of your mind. You think Achilles, you think of Odysseus, you think of Jason and the Argonauts, Alexander the Great (Although he actually was real), Theseus, Perseus, and a few others. But most of all, people think of Heracles (FYI: Heracles is the Greek name of Hercules. Hercules itself is the Roman name). Even those ignorant of Greek mythology know of the Big H. Son of Zeus, Super strong, Twelve Tasks forced upon him by Hera, etc. He's one of the biggest names in Greek history. Well, there was a son of Heracles at the Battle of Troy. Specifically Tlepolemus, from Rhodes.

Now, most of you are probably thinking, "A son of Heracles? Big deal. Unless he did his own thing who gives a damn?" But the thing is that heritge, especially the male parent, was a huge part of the telling of the Iliad. Agamemnon, leader of the Greek forces, and Menelaus, the husband of Helen, are known as "The Son of Atreus" more often than their actual names. Achilles himself is referred to as "Son of Peleus" just as often as by his name. Whenever a new charatcer is introduced they always list their ancestry at least two generations back. It's partly due to a lack of last names (Which is how you distinguish between two people of the same first name, such as the two Ajax's) but also because Sons receive a great amount of respect and (for some) worship on account of their fathers and the accomplishments of their fathers.

So, for there to have been a Son of Heracles at the Battle of Troy, and to have that son actually be in the Iliad as well, and for me to not know until reading the Iliad again is just a huge shock.

How could I have missed it?
Brittanic States
03-12-2004, 03:03
How could I have missed it?
Im guessing cos you were thinking about Halo at the time?
Takuma
03-12-2004, 03:04
Wow I can hear bandwith being wasted! ;) :p Joking, man.

I don't think I ever noticed this either, hrm but I suck at reading because I forget all the characters halfway through the book/epic poem! :rolleyes:
Haloman
03-12-2004, 03:05
I plan to read the Iliad sometime in the near future. Greek and Roman mythology is pretty intriguing. Heracles was Hercules' greek name, correct?
Klonor
03-12-2004, 03:08
(FYI: Heracles is the Greek name of Hercules. Hercules itself is the Roman name).

I think this might answer your question ;)
Takuma
03-12-2004, 03:09
Greek and Roman mythology is pretty intriguing.

Greek is much better. The Romans just came along 300 years later and stole it all, changing a few names.
Gnostikos
03-12-2004, 04:08
Considering that I read Shakespeare when I was five I think my grasp is pretty strong.
Now, I'm not one to judge you, but I'm pretty sure that, physiologically speaking, the lingual aspects of the human brain have not evolved far enough by age five to understand Shakespeare, unless you are raised in the Elizabethan dialect. I myself love Shakespeare, but I just don't believe that you read and understood it at five.

Alexander the Great (Although he actually was real)
Well, Alexander the Great was Macedonian. Just so you know.

(FYI: Heracles is the Greek name of Hercules. Hercules itself is the Roman name).
If you really want to be correct about it, it should be spelled Herakles, as the anglicisation of the Greek letter kappa is usually a "k". The "c" is a romanisation. Hêraklês is even more accurate if you want to be stingy about it.
Klonor
03-12-2004, 04:14
Now, I'm not one to judge you, but I'm pretty sure that, physiologically speaking, the lingual aspects of the human brain have not evolved far enough by age five to understand Shakespeare, unless you are raised in the Elizabethan dialect. I myself love Shakespeare, but I just don't believe that you read and understood it at five.

Hey, I didn't say I understood it at five, just that I read it ;)


Well, Alexander the Great was Macedonian. Just so you know.

Oddly enough, me and my father had this exact same conversation when we saw Alexander together (An okay movie, but I think it could have really been a lot better). My reasons for listing Alexander the Great as Greek was that the majority of the Earths populace (Wait, major correction, the majority of people that I know. I in no way claim to know the majority of the Earths populace) regard him as being Greek. People view Macedonia as being a part of Greece, and since at that point in the opening post I was listing names that come to mind when people think of Greek heroes I listed him since 'the people' view him as Greek.

If you really want to be correct about it, it should be spelled Herakles, as the anglicisation of the Greek letter kappa is usually a "k". The "c" is a romanisation. Hêraklês is even more accurate if you want to be stingy about it.

Well, that I just didn't know.