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End the Arguments!

MuhOre
02-12-2004, 20:47
Why can we not live by this code?! Let us stop arguing over Creationism vs. Darwin! G-d(s) vs. Atheism! Gay Rights vs. No rights and such!


http://www.qwantz.com/comics/comic2-97.png


At most you'll find this somewhat entertaining? right?
Pure Metal
02-12-2004, 20:51
Why can we not live by this code?! Let us stop arguing over Creationism vs. Darwin! G-d(s) vs. Atheism! Gay Rights vs. No rights and such!

At most you'll find this somewhat entertaining? right?
i gave up reading what the green thingy was saying half-way through... :headbang:
UpwardThrust
02-12-2004, 20:51
Why can we not live by this code?! Let us stop arguing over Creationism vs. Darwin! G-d(s) vs. Atheism! Gay Rights vs. No rights and such!


http://www.qwantz.com/comics/comic2-97.png


At most you'll find this somewhat entertaining? right?
Here is a question

What else are we supposed to do on this forum then?

This is an entertainment by discussion type of board
?

(ha and I bet you thought it was going to be about moral relativism)
Joey P
02-12-2004, 20:51
There's already a thread debating whether morals are relative or absolute. I fear you have only started another debate.
Bodies Without Organs
02-12-2004, 20:53
Why can we not live by this code?! Let us stop arguing over Creationism vs. Darwin! G-d(s) vs. Atheism! Gay Rights vs. No rights and such!



So, you're just trying to replace those debates with one of moral relativism versus moral absolutism then?
MuhOre
02-12-2004, 20:54
There's already a thread debating whether morals are relative or absolute. I fear you have only started another debate.

It seemed like a good idea to share this.

Thus i must be right to do so?
MuhOre
02-12-2004, 20:57
i gave up reading what the green thingy was saying half-way through...

And actually the orange thing was saying that...
Snub Nose 38
02-12-2004, 20:57
:rolleyes:

;)
Terra - Domina
02-12-2004, 21:01
realitivism is so dumb

"Oh look, we can all be happy because we are all right"

you should go Po-mo

"Everyone is wrong now shut up"

LOL
MuhOre
02-12-2004, 21:07
So... we're either all wrong or all right?

IF we're all right, there is no need for arguing or fighting as all truths are right.

If we are all wrong there i still no need for arguing or fighting, as it doesnt matter what we think we would always be wrong to do so.!

Yet we fight... some of us are wrong... some are right. But if the comic teaches that all paths are right... then no-one is wrong.

Thus...we fight because we all love each other deep in our hearts!

Hurray for Logic! :fluffle:
Xenasia
02-12-2004, 21:08
No! :p
Terra - Domina
02-12-2004, 21:09
So... we're either all wrong or all right?

IF we're all right, there is no need for arguing or fighting as all truths are right.

If we are all wrong there i still no need for arguing or fighting, as it doesnt matter what we think we would always be wrong to do so.!

Yet we fight... some of us are wrong... some are right. But if the comic teaches that all paths are right... then no-one is wrong.

Thus...we fight because we all love each other deep in our hearts!

Hurray for Logic! :fluffle:

how can you ever be right though?

your own definition of what is true is subjective
MuhOre
02-12-2004, 21:11
No! :p

mwahahhaha! No matter what you do... you are always right to do so!

Even killing, rape and torture are right!

I know now the answer to life...

it is not "42"

It is Sadism and Malevolence! >:)
Xenasia
02-12-2004, 21:12
mwahahhaha! No matter what you do... you are always right to do so!
I was sooo hoping for a "Yes!"
MuhOre
02-12-2004, 21:13
how can you ever be right though?

your own definition of what is true is subjective

It is not my defention...

It is the constant!

No matter what we do...it is right! 1+1 can equal 3! Pythagoreans theorum can destroy the universe!

and if i were to say i was Buddhist Christian..i would still be right!

Don't you see? We're always right? It is not fate... we are right! We have control over what we want to do.. but we must realize it is still right on what we do! :D
MuhOre
02-12-2004, 21:15
I was sooo hoping for a "Yes!"

and you were right to think that!

For in some context which you could interpert, i might have been saying yes.

Although i might just as well have been saying I ate Cookies today... only you know the answer! For You=We!

*getting more realization*

Wait?! Could we be the Borg? IS that what Gene Roddenbery was trying to tell us?!
Xenasia
02-12-2004, 21:19
Wait?! Could we be the Borg? IS that what Gene Roddenbery was trying to tell us?!
I thought he was telling us to wear jump suits and/or short skirts.
MuhOre
02-12-2004, 21:23
I thought he was telling us to wear jump suits and/or short skirts.

Your right he was! But at the same time, he was also telling us not to do that, and that we are Borg!

And that we will someday conquer the universe. Oo
Xenasia
02-12-2004, 21:29
Your right he was! But at the same time, he was also telling us not to do that, and that we are Borg!

And that we will someday conquer the universe. Oo
Oooo, he was a cunning bugger wasn't he?
International Terrans
02-12-2004, 21:29
Arguement is fine. Flamefests, on the other hand, are not. So why don't we all just gain a tad bit of sense and argue sensibly, without being little bastards and all?
Terra - Domina
02-12-2004, 21:33
It is not my defention...

It is the constant!

No matter what we do...it is right! 1+1 can equal 3! Pythagoreans theorum can destroy the universe!

and if i were to say i was Buddhist Christian..i would still be right!

Don't you see? We're always right? It is not fate... we are right! We have control over what we want to do.. but we must realize it is still right on what we do! :D

you're retarded
MuhOre
02-12-2004, 21:34
Oooo, he was a cunning bugger wasn't he?

yes... a little too cunning if you ask me... how can we even be sure he's dead...

Arguement is fine. Flamefests, on the other hand, are not. So why don't we all just gain a tad bit of sense and argue sensibly, without being little bastards and all?

But the people who flame, tend the be the wrong ones... and they're not allowed to be wrong, since everyone is right.

Thus... those people don't really exist. And since computers are not organic, it does not matter whether theym are right or wrong..

Wait.. that means..!!!! Computers are the one that creates the flames!

Then we must destroy them!...but wait... if we destroy them, then we would fulfill their wishes since no-one could contact eachother again. Then we couldnt talk to eachother, to say how right we are?!

What do we do? We must develop psychic powers! If we can do that! we can debate with eachother without flames!

Everybody start meditating!



No i am not ranting, it makes sense by the current logic i'm using. After all everything i say is right.
Rasputin the Thief
02-12-2004, 21:34
Why can we not live by this code?! Let us stop arguing over Creationism vs. Darwin! G-d(s) vs. Atheism! Gay Rights vs. No rights and such!


http://www.qwantz.com/comics/comic2-97.png


At most you'll find this somewhat entertaining? right?

Why should I accept your flawed reasonment? I believe that moral relativism is wrong. And you can't say anything against that, because of your moral relativism thing.


What I mean is that since you are saying that nothing can be argued, well... just don't say it. It is pointless. You propose that we discuss it, and I'm sure I can show you a few of exemples of universal rights (such as incest), but since you have this retarded philosophy, you can just say "I believe me, fuck your arguments".
MuhOre
02-12-2004, 21:35
you're retarded

That is the wrong thing to say....

Thus you are one of them!

I shall seek you out.. and destroy you!
Terra - Domina
02-12-2004, 21:38
That is the wrong thing to say....

Thus you are one of them!

I shall seek you out.. and destroy you!

what are you, 12

shut up

im not going to get into this.........
MuhOre
02-12-2004, 21:38
Why should I accept your flawed reasonment? I believe that moral relativism is wrong. And you can't say anything against that, because of your moral relativism thing.


That's what i thought at first... but it only applies to creatures that have the potential to be right and wrong. Artifical Intelligences are programmed to do what we told them to do. And are generally told to give us the right answer.

But we don't need you anymore, because we learnt about Moral Relativism.

Thus you are wrong... anyone that argues against this, cannot be organic in any shape or form. hence, you do not exist... you must terminate yourself, before i find you out...
MuhOre
02-12-2004, 21:40
what are you, 12

shut up

im not going to get into this.........

Actually i am 19...

And you will not get into it, because i am right. And because you are a non-existant being, that does not have the power to be right or wrong, you are wrong... Thus it is futile to argue.
Terra - Domina
02-12-2004, 21:47
Actually i am 19...

And you will not get into it, because i am right. And because you are a non-existant being, that does not have the power to be right or wrong, you are wrong... Thus it is futile to argue.

Ah, but your existance is all flawed

You are the ones who are no longer needed

your hypocritical applications have no foundations and get caught in the same linguistic and mathmatical paradoxes as all other systems of truth and believing

Your wishy washy ideas are circular and are only an epistemological question because you think they are.

You are wrong, there is no way we can understand the first thing about truth, as all our symbolic understanding is reflective of our subjective consious


By the way: You aren't arguing reletivism, you are arguing existentialism.
MuhOre
02-12-2004, 22:01
Ah, but your existance is all flawed

You are the ones who are no longer needed

your hypocritical applications have no foundations and get caught in the same linguistic and mathmatical paradoxes as all other systems of truth and believing

All are the same, because all Organics think the same! We may look different physically, but we have the same mentality. Man, Beast, Alien... we are all the same. We all communicate, eat, have sex, play. There is no difference...

Your wishy washy ideas are circular and are only an epistemological question because you think they are.

I do not think they are... i know they are, for i am right.

You are wrong, there is no way we can understand the first thing about truth, as all our symbolic understanding is reflective of our subjective consious

If we do not know the truth, then why do we answer? It would be as if your saying we are always wrong... IF we are always wrong, then why bother do anything. But if we are always right, then we can proceed throughout the day, knowing we help ourselves through our knowledge.

By the way: You aren't arguing reletivism, you are arguing existentialism.

No... existentialism says, we do it, because we have choice to do it.

But in reality we do it, because we know even though we do have a choice to do it...we could just as well ignore it, and would still be right. There would be no responsibility or consequence as is in existentialism.


Anyways i must go. You can continue to flame/argue with me all you like. But since you are a non-existant being, you would always be wrong.

Anyways i'll be on later.
Rasputin the Thief
02-12-2004, 22:07
That's what i thought at first... but it only applies to creatures that have the potential to be right and wrong. Artifical Intelligences are programmed to do what we told them to do. And are generally told to give us the right answer.

But we don't need you anymore, because we learnt about Moral Relativism.

Thus you are wrong... anyone that argues against this, cannot be organic in any shape or form. hence, you do not exist... you must terminate yourself, before i find you out...


Your reasonment is flawed. There is no logical links between your statements.
You are dumb and this thread is an un-fun joke. DIE A******!!!!
:fluffle:
Terra - Domina
02-12-2004, 22:09
All are the same, because all Organics think the same! We may look different physically, but we have the same mentality. Man, Beast, Alien... we are all the same. We all communicate, eat, have sex, play. There is no difference...

Yup, we are all the same (except for aliens, we have no reason to assume they followed similar evolutionary processes). We all experience reality in our own ways and make our own determinations about things based on symbolic association.

Therefore, we can only know what we can create a symbol for, in many cases a word. So what you are proposing is that with modern linguistic symbols, we can articulate some degree of truth.

I do not think they are... i know they are, for i am right.

by bolding words you dont make any points. Thats just like descartes, i think therefore i am, but if you werent you wouldnt think. Chicken vs egg. It cant have been one or the other.

If we do not know the truth, then why do we answer? It would be as if your saying we are always wrong... IF we are always wrong, then why bother do anything. But if we are always right, then we can proceed throughout the day, knowing we help ourselves through our knowledge.

so your just an optimist.

No... existentialism says, we do it, because we have choice to do it.

ok, ill buy that

But in reality we do it, because we know even though we do have a choice to do it...we could just as well ignore it, and would still be right. There would be no responsibility or consequence as is in existentialism.

lol

so you just dont want to be held accountable for your actions?
Ogiek
02-12-2004, 22:16
Why can we not live by this code?! Let us stop arguing over Creationism vs. Darwin! G-d(s) vs. Atheism! Gay Rights vs. No rights and such!

What the hell is G-d?

God?

God is an English word describing a diety or, if capitalized, the diety. It isn't a holy word or God's name.

It is Dios in Spanish, Gott in German, Allah in Arabic, Goddo in Japanese, and БОГ or БОЖЕСТВО in Russian.

None of them is a sacred word.