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As Freud once lamented, "What DOES a woman want?" The answer varies with the age of the woman, her experience level in life, how materialistic she is ... a multitude of variables. But there is one thread which runs through all experience levels, all levels of maturity, all women. Anyone know what it is? :)

EDIT: It's been my experience, lo these many years, that what a woman truly wants is ... fanfare ...

A man astute and caring enough to make the effort to discover what she wants without being told, and do his damndest to provide that for her to the best of his ability.

Whadda ya think? :)

Oral sex. (on them)

from my experience someone to treat them like crap

Respect.

Though I haven't had a girlfriend yet, I'm pretty sure that every woman is different. Just like all men want different things. There may be certain trends or mean (average) desires, but I think it is kind of degrading to women to assume that they all want the same thing.

"What DOES a woman want?"
A wealthy vibrator that takes out the trash.

from my experience someone to treat them like crap

And money.

As Freud once lamented, "What DOES a woman want?" The answer varies with the age of the woman, her experience level in life, how materialistic she is ... a multitude of variables. But there is one thread which runs through all experience levels, all levels of maturity, all women. Anyone know what it is? :)

A guy with a lot of money.

Hands down.

Though I haven't had a girlfriend yet, I'm pretty sure that every woman is different. Just like all men want different things. There may be certain trends or mean (average) desires, but I think it is kind of degrading to women to assume that they all want the same thing.
Think process, not task or attributes.

Respect.

I gotta second that one.

Oral sex. (on them)
Although this is probably a second priority, Lol.

same thing every man wants: someone to love, preferably one who loves them in return.

A lift between the bedroom and the kitchen to save on travelling time?


Okay, moving away from the jokes that will get me killed if my g/f ever reads this..... I would say,from personal experience, an honest man who treats her well, respects her, and of course, has a nice car...

Okay, moving away from the jokes that will get me killed if my g/f ever reads this..... I would say,from personal experience, an honest man who treats her well, respects her, and of course, has a nice car...
Not bad. Not bad. You're headed in the right direction. :)

It's a well known fact that the woman's g-spot is in the man's wallet.

It's a well known fact that the woman's g-spot is in the man's wallet.
ROFLMAO!! NOT! A mature woman will often totally disregard the size of a man's wallet if she discovers that he is what she's looking for in most other respects. Money, contrary to popular belief, is NOT everything.

same thing every man wants: someone to love, preferably one who loves them in return.

I think you pretty much hit the nail on the head right there.

ROFLMAO!! NOT! A mature woman will often totally disregard the size of a man's wallet...

This is true. As long as said wallet is big enough to contain a Barclaycard.

This is true. As long as said wallet is big enough to contain a Barclaycard.
Tsk! It must be sad to be so cynical at such an early age! :(

Tsk! It must be sad to be so cynical at such an early age! :(

Lol. Well, ya got me there. But it sure does make a difference if you turn up with 12 red roses as opposed to a £1.99 bouquet from Tescos.

I think the rumours about women wanting money come from teh fact that perhaps, although love cannot be bought, expensive gifts can be an indication, or, at least, I always mean them as an indication, of how committed to a woman a man is, and how much he wants to see her happy.

ROFLMAO!! NOT! A mature woman will often totally disregard the size of a man's wallet if she discovers that he is what she's looking for in most other respects. Money, contrary to popular belief, is NOT everything.


In the words of Vince Lombardi: "Money isn't everything, it's the only thing."

Also I notice you have to qualify with mature.

Lol. Well, ya got me there. But it sure does make a difference if you turn up with 12 red roses as opposed to a £1.99 bouquet from Tescos.

I think the rumours about women wanting money come from teh fact that perhaps, although love cannot be bought, expensive gifts can be an indication, or, at least, I always mean them as an indication, of how committed to a woman a man is, and how much he wants to see her happy.
Expensive gifts do not happiness make, nor a fat wallet a woman. :)

Expensive gifts do not happiness make, nor a fat wallet a woman. :)

Could have fooled me...

In the words of Vince Lombardi: "Money isn't everything, it's the only thing."

Also I notice you have to qualify with mature.
Vince baby was wrong, at least on that score. And why would you NOT want a woman who was at least relatively mature ... not in years, but in personality and wisdom?

A lot of women want loads of meaningless drama in their lives just so that they will get a chance to scream back at the certain person that is pissing them off at the moment(its gives a sort of excitement and meaning in their otherwise boring worthless lives....) they also search for some twit who will idolize her and say that shes is the most [insert any bullshit complement] person in the world again it is their drive to be seen as "special" and "relevent" when in fact most of them arent. Also some women want so much drama in their lifes that they are willing to stay with an asshole who is angry and abusive towards her, while others will stay with a rich guy because they are "gold diggers" as some new yorkers would like to say. In short women tend to like 1)Drama 2)Fame and 3) Money....there are only a few who truly want "love" (most say they want true love but you must remember most of them are lyers)

A lot of women want loads of meaningless drama in their lives just so that they will get a chance to scream back at the certain person that is pissing them off at the moment(its gives a sort of excitement and meaning in their otherwise boring worthless lives....) they also search for some twit who will idolize her and say that shes is the most [insert any bullshit complement] person in the world again it is their drive to be seen as "special" and "relevent" when in fact most of them arent. Also some women want so much drama in their lifes that they are willing to stay with an asshole who is angry and abusive towards her, while others will stay with a rich guy because they are "gold diggers" as some new yorkers would like to say. In short women tend to like 1)Drama 2)Fame and 3) Money....there are only a few who truly want "love" (most say they want true love but you must remember most of them are lyers)
What you say has an element of truth to it, but would you truly want to impress a woman like either of those "types?" And women aren't necessarily liers just because they are confused about what it is they want. All too many people ( men and women ) have trouble differentiating between what their parents, their friends, their society tells them they should want, and what they finally figure out what they want for themselves.

In this order:

1. Friendship
2. Love
3. Respect
4. Support
5. Mind numbing sex

I am a woman and I just want a man who will make me happy. I don't like "drama." I want a guy who will take good care of me, be my protector and bodyguard, make me laugh, etc. Not to mention the nice things like opening doors. Oh yeah. And that oral sex thing.

Oh yeah. And that oral sex thing.

Funny how that snuck in there isn't it.

I am a woman and I just want a man who will make me happy. I don't like "drama." I want a guy who will take good care of me, be my protector and bodyguard, make me laugh, etc. Not to mention the nice things like opening doors. Oh yeah. And that oral sex thing.

I think the problem is that most guys start off thinking women want a nice guy like you want. They become disillusioned when they fail numerous times to find someone to love and see girls falling head-over-heels (sometimes literally) at some guy who is an ass. Or they see girls that continue to date abusive men.

You happen to know what you want but there are very few women who do.

I am a woman and I just want a man who will make me happy. I don't like "drama." I want a guy who will take good care of me, be my protector and bodyguard, make me laugh, etc. Not to mention the nice things like opening doors. Oh yeah. And that oral sex thing.
ROFLMAO!!! DUH!

However ... it's been my experience, lo these many years, that what a woman truly wants is ... fanfare ...

A man astute and caring enough to make the effort to discover what she wants without being told, and do his damndest to provide that for her to the best of his ability.

Whadda ya think? :)

Speaking of oral sex, I recently found out why people get tongue rings. I got detailed explanations from both a female and a male (the latter less specific), and I now know exactly what the advantage to each sex is.

I think the problem is that most guys start off thinking women want a nice guy like you want. They become disillusioned when they fail numerous times to find someone to love and see girls falling head-over-heels (sometimes literally) at some guy who is an ass. Or they see girls that continue to date abusive men.

You happen to know what you want but there are very few women who do.


See...I have been through that falling head-over-heels (literally) at some guy who is an abusive ass stage. Talk about 2 years wasted. And so due to recovering from that disaster, I know what I want now.

Speaking of oral sex, I recently found out why people get tongue rings. I got detailed explanations from both a female and a male (the latter less specific), and I now know exactly what the advantage to each sex is.

I have my tongue pierced. Lets just say the boyfriend doesn't complain.

I used to think that women loved it if you opened doors for them. Then one time I held a door for a young lady and she looked at me like she was insulted. I guess chivalry truly is dead now :(

I used to think that women loved it if you opened doors for them. Then one time I held a door for a young lady and she looked at me like she was insulted. I guess chivalry truly is dead now :(

No...I appreciate it and i always say thank you. It is my goal in life to become happy-homemaker. Chivalry is not dead. Not to me.

I used to think that women loved it if you opened doors for them. Then one time I held a door for a young lady and she looked at me like she was insulted. I guess chivalry truly is dead now :(
You should have told her "if you feel so insulted don't walk throught it". Most appreciate it, though.

I used to think that women loved it if you opened doors for them. Then one time I held a door for a young lady and she looked at me like she was insulted. I guess chivalry truly is dead now :(

Couldn't agree more. About a year ago, I took an ex out for a romantic meal (yes, I'm one of those soppy b*stards), and when it came to paying, she wouldn't let me pay any more than half. She didn't like me opening the car door for her, and used to try to open doors before I got there. Chivalry has indeed been killed off.

I used to think that women loved it if you opened doors for them. Then one time I held a door for a young lady and she looked at me like she was insulted. I guess chivalry truly is dead now :(
yeah it was killed by feminism and "female empowerment" and other bullshit

I have my tongue pierced. Lets just say the boyfriend doesn't complain.
Actually, the effects seem to be even more intense for females than vice versa. Not that either gave a bad report.

yeah it was killed by feminism and "female empowerment" and other bullshit

I was gonna say that, but somehow thought it was a bit unsubtle. Like a sledgehammer.

No...I appreciate it and i always say thank you. It is my goal in life to become happy-homemaker. Chivalry is not dead. Not to me.
Not to all women but it has taken a major blow. Probably the reason why guys do not feel the need to be nice anymore.

You should have told her "if you feel so insulted don't walk throught it". Most appreciate it, though.
The second time it happened I told her that she could open the door for me if she wanted :)

:rolleyes:
Everytime I've ever asked or tried to find out what a girl whats, I get this completely off the wall answer.
For example.
Ask one Girl. She says she wants a guy to be nice/'mature'. So hence, open doors, etc.
Then you open the door and she get's pissed.
:headbang:
I've decided to wait till our brains stop changing. Or until I see another girl. ;) Whichever is first.

See...I have been through that falling head-over-heels (literally) at some guy who is an abusive ass stage. Talk about 2 years wasted. And so due to recovering from that disaster, I know what I want now.

which is...

I am a woman and I just want a man who will make me happy. I don't like "drama." I want a guy who will take good care of me, be my protector and bodyguard, make me laugh, etc. Not to mention the nice things like opening doors. Oh yeah. And that oral sex thing.


I guess I will post it again since some of us missed it?

I want a man who will give me good sex. But that always comes second to personality.

Finances and looks don't even make my list.

It's a well known fact that the woman's g-spot is in the man's wallet.

Nah... the worst relationship I ever had was with a pediatrician who thought presents made up for quality time and was just _horrendously boring_ in bed.

I cut and ran quickly.

Nah... the worst relationship I ever had was with a pediatrician who thought presents made up for quality time and was just _horrendously boring_ in bed.

I cut and ran quickly.

Got to sleep with you though, didn't he. And he didn't have to spend much time doing it, just buy presents. :)

Got to sleep with you though, didn't he. And he didn't have to spend much time doing it, just buy presents. :)

Presents are nice. Not a requirement. But sometimes they are nice. At least you know they were thinking about you.

There are about 3 billion of us women in the world, and believe it or not, we don't all share the same brain. We're individual human beings, who all want different things in life.
What I want is for people to stop making silly generalisations about me based on my lack of a Y chromosome!

Presents are nice. Not a requirement. But sometimes they are nice. At least you know they were thinking about you.


Presents rock.

Presents are nice. Not a requirement. But sometimes they are nice. At least you know they were thinking about you.
I have learned that the most important thing about a present is not how expensive or nice, but how thoughtful. If it's something that you saw on the street and made you think about her, so you paid the nickel it costs and then take it to her, say something like "remember the other day when we went to that place..." and then give it to her that'll be worth a million.

Presents rock.

Especially shiny ones.


(Just kidding-I am really not as materialistic as I joke around about being...my boyfriend has never bought me jewelry or anything like that, and I don't expect him to).

I have learned that the most important thing about a present is not how expensive or nice, but how thoughtful. If it's something that you saw on the street and made you think about her, so you paid the nickel it costs and then take it to her, say something like "remember the other day when we went to that place..." and then give it to her that'll be worth a million.

I agree. I once had a boyfriend buy a pink ring out of a quarter machine for me....I wore it around for over 2 years. It was the most important possession i owned, and it only cost a quarter.

Especially shiny ones.


(Just kidding-I am really not as materialistic as I joke around about being...my boyfriend has never bought me jewelry or anything like that, and I don't expect him to).

It's a well known fact as long as you keep your girlfriends supplied with a sufficiency of shiny objects of high intrinsic value you can behave in pretty much any fashion you like. (Of course to pull this off properly you also have to be remote and uninvolved emotionally). :)

Got to sleep with you though, didn't he. And he didn't have to spend much time doing it, just buy presents. :)

Every single one of which I returned when I dumped him.

Every single one of which I returned when I dumped him.

Wow.. that guy's good.

And you know he re-gifts.

Every single one of which I returned when I dumped him.
So he could get his money back or give them to somebody else? Wow, I'd really like to meet a girl like you :)

I used to think that women loved it if you opened doors for them. Then one time I held a door for a young lady and she looked at me like she was insulted. I guess chivalry truly is dead now :(
i'm never insulted.

i usually grab the second door though. there are usually two sets.

Though I haven't had a girlfriend yet...

At this point, you should have realized that you had no business posting on this topic. You've never dated, never had a serious relationship or a fling, and you want to talk about what women want?

From my experiences, they want a guy who is witty, charming, sweet, and yet simultaneously macho. No need to overdo the tuff guy look, it should come naturally. Wear clothes that fit, as opposed to the "wigger" look. Unfortunately, women are extremely materialistic, and therefore a nice car (or truck if you live in the south), jewelry, and fancy restaurants all help. Not on the first date, of course, but all in good time. Don't chase after them, but don't be afraid to show interest. You want to give the impression that you are attracted to them, but simultaneously you are not desperate, and you will not go unduly out of your way to get their attention. And if all else fails, then utterly ignore them. Usually, if nothing else works, then they are accustomed to having guys chase after them. If you ignore them, they lose control, become confused, and generally change their tune. Of course, if this fails as well then you gave it your best shot, and you shouldn't be upset (obviously its just not meant to be).

What Women Want? Mel Gibson, apparently.

"what do women really want?"

its a ridiculous question. women are individuals and each one wants a different thing. some want money or prestige, some want great sex, some just want to be left alone.

its as stupid as asking the quesiton "what do MEN really want?"

sure we all laugh and say "sex, beer, and their team on TV" but you know its just a silly joke. you know there is no real answer to that question because MEN are individuals.

the sooner y'all realize that women are PEOPLE the sooner you can get on to understanding each woman one at a time. not that its EASY to figure out but if you are stuck on what was true for the LAST woman you think you figured out you are doomed to failure.

"what do women really want?"

its a ridiculous question. women are individuals and each one wants a different thing. some want money or prestige, some want great sex, some just want to be left alone.

its as stupid as asking the quesiton "what do MEN really want?"

sure we all laugh and say "sex, beer, and their team on TV" but you know its just a silly joke. you know there is no real answer to that question because MEN are individuals.

the sooner y'all realize that women are PEOPLE the sooner you can get on to understanding each woman one at a time. not that its EASY to figure out but if you are stuck on what was true for the LAST woman you think you figured out you are doomed to failure.


Men want casual sex without emotional commitment. Preferably with someone who is extremely hot.

It's been my experience, lo these many years, that what a woman truly wants is ... fanfare ...

A man astute and caring enough to make the effort to discover what she wants without being told, and do his damndest to provide that for her to the best of his ability.

It's been my experience, lo these many years, that what a woman truly wants is ... fanfare ...

A man astute and caring enough to make the effort to discover what she wants without being told, and do his damndest to provide that for her to the best of his ability.
That does sound right. It is open-minded enoough to allow for the differences in women yet it still summarizes what some people have tried to say.

It's been my experience, lo these many years, that what a woman truly wants is ... fanfare ...

A man astute and caring enough to make the effort to discover what she wants without being told, and do his damndest to provide that for her to the best of his ability.


Hmm, that sounds like a lot of effort there dude.

My method (presents) seems to entail a lot less thought and time.

I think the problem is that most guys start off thinking women want a nice guy like you want. They become disillusioned when they fail numerous times to find someone to love and see girls falling head-over-heels (sometimes literally) at some guy who is an ass. Or they see girls that continue to date abusive men.

You happen to know what you want but there are very few women who do.


In my experience, assholes are usually good at covering up the fact that they are, in deed, assholes. They make the rest of society think they are wonderful... and so in turn, the woman believes he is wonderful also. For a time anyway, until she wises up and leaves.

In my experience, assholes are usually good at covering up the fact that they are, in deed, assholes. They make the rest of society think they are wonderful... and so in turn, the woman believes he is wonderful also. For a time anyway, until she wises up and leaves.
And they are able to seem nicer than an actual nice guy. Sometimes the nice guys act like assholes but will change when it is important to.

RELATIONSHIPS IN GENERAL...

People spend so much time not being themselves to try and impress someone else. So, initially you wind up dating someone who you don't like necessarily, but rather, someone who you like who they're trying to be, or who you think they are. And we all know that the first part of the relationship is fun and exciting, so we all hang in. Then, we reach the comfort level of the relationship where people start feeling comfortable with each other. And thus, start acting like their true selves. Yet, this goes unnoticed to the other partner, all they know is that something is different and they don't necessarily like it. So, they continue to try harder to improve things, remembering how good it was in "the beginning." Then they can't work things out and eventually break-up. And although the whole relationship might have only lasted 4 months, you'll end up spending 8 months crying or being upset about it.

Hmm, that sounds like a lot of effort there dude.

My method (presents) seems to entail a lot less thought and time.
Mine is much more lasting in impact. Besides, if she's worth the money, shouldn't she be worth the effort? :)

And they are able to seem nicer than an actual nice guy. Sometimes the nice guys act like assholes but will change when it is important to.

true. very true.

Some women would profer a woman.

About women who date jerks or abusive men:
These are the guys that persue us, and, I'll be honest: It's attractive when a man knows what he wants and what he wants is you. It doesn't stay attractive when he yells at you. But when he comes back with flowers saying he could never live without you...anyway, I think its the equivalent of guys who date girls that need "saving" in some way or another.
Now, what I want:
A man with confidence
Somebody SMART and opinionated
Somebody hot
Somebody who cares about me

Some women would profer a woman.
REALLY??? WOW! What an astonishing conclusion! [/sarcasm] :D

Some women would profer a woman.

Now, in that case, do they still want lots of shiny presents as well. Or are the rules different then? :)

Somebody SMART and opinionated
My opinions have gotten me into more trouble than not. Most people don't like opinionated people if their convictions are too strong.

My opinions have gotten me into more trouble than not. Most people don't like opinionated people if their convictions are too strong.
You can have strong opinions without alienating people. Just be a bit less ... intense about them. Might even be an advantage. :)

to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians.

oh, and to steal Your Girlfriend.

I think what a woman most wants is someone who makes their eyes light up whenever they walk into a room. On the money issue, it’s the security of money not the money itself. Security can also be in the form of being a really beefy guy for that matter. Another part of security is making them feel at ease so they can be comfortable around you.

The security issue is hard wired into their brains. Sure some fight the machine, but the machine is still there ticking away. It’s the same with guys. We are hard wired to be attracted to huge breasts, because they are a biological signal of fertility. Marketing takes advantage of this, but the evolutionary craving was there long before marketing got a hold of it. And yes they are nice to look at but like security issues, a really bad thing to base any relationship on.

Specifics just don’t apply to the question of what a woman wants: short of learning to read people’s body language and hoping they use the same body language as the other kids do. I’ve always found that women appreciated spontaneous acts of kindness and gift giving than if they expect it. Apparently listening to them is also a plus. Mostly I think they want Antonio Bandarass. Yeah, I'd say that that's pretty much what they're looking for.

Of course there are night clubs were the best way to meet people is to carelessly dangle a set of Porsche keys around.

Now, in that case, do they still want lots of shiny presents as well. Or are the rules different then? :)

I don't know... I never consider myself in the category of normal women. Actually, "I hate girls" is pretty much my motto, as it seems on average they are heartless, manipulative bitches.

The presents thing is baffling to me, probably because I grew up rather poor. My boyfriend is very well off, and I was slightly uncomfortable when he bought be a present for my birthday. If he did it for no reason, I'd wonder what was wrong with him. If he wanted to buy a girlfriend, he could get one off the street somewhere I'm sure. It's more difficult to please me than to simply buy things I don't want/need and present me with them. If that was all it took, I could date anyone and be fine. However, I'm much more picky — but when I've found someone I like, I don't requre him to do anything to prove himself to me other than to be there for me.

-You are all wrong... wrong... WRONG!!

-Woman need: Freequent Orgams, tjats all :fluffle: :) ;) :D

Harry "the Bastard" (My native language is not english)

My opinions have gotten me into more trouble than not. Most people don't like opinionated people if their convictions are too strong.
I need a guy who will carry on a lively conversation, who isn't afraid to dissagree, who will stand up for what he beleives in, and who likes the compation of a good debate. I've found that when you got this, you're a good guy AND fantastic in bed.

-You are all wrong... wrong... WRONG!!

-Woman need: Freequent Orgams, tjats all



Technically one can have frequent orgasms all by one's self. However, orgasms, like sandwhiches, are better when someone else makes them.

That isn't all that is important, but yes — a man (woman) can never go wrong with great sex.

I need a guy who will carry on a lively conversation, who isn't afraid to dissagree, who will stand up for what he beleives in, and who likes the compation of a good debate. I've found that when you got this, you're a good guy AND fantastic in bed.
I'd like to see the statistical data on that, please! :D

Technically one can have frequent orgasms all by one's self. However, orgasms, like sandwhiches, are better when someone else makes them.

That isn't all that is important, but yes — a man (woman) can never go wrong with great sex.
Perhaps so, although it's not a good basis for any sort of lasting relationship without other things such as compatibility, similar backgrounds and goals, etc. But it helps if you can teach a woman how to have multiple orgasms ( if she doesn't know already ), "spontaneous" orgasms, etc. Take them someplace they've never been before. :)

Technically one can have frequent orgasms all by one's self. However, orgasms, like sandwhiches, are better when someone else makes them.

That isn't all that is important, but yes — a man (woman) can never go wrong with great sex.

Other people can make bad sandwiches. Sometimes a lot worse than the ones you make yourself.

I need a guy who will carry on a lively conversation, who isn't afraid to dissagree, who will stand up for what he beleives in, and who likes the compation of a good debate. I've found that when you got this, you're a good guy AND fantastic in bed.
Well, when I finally do have sex, then I should be pretty much set. If only there were more people who liked that where I am...

Too true.
Good Sex alone isn't enough for a good relationship.
But no relationship can be great without it.

Too true.
Good Sex alone isn't enough for a good relationship.
But no relationship can be great without it.
I have to disagree with that. Some people are able to have great relationships without sex. Though it is rare, these relationships do exist.

Well, when I finally do have sex, then I should be pretty much set. If only there were more people who liked that where I am...
How old are you?

Other people can make bad sandwiches. Sometimes a lot worse than the ones you make yourself.
ROFLMAO!!! Um ... nahh, I ain't goin' there! LOL!

I have to disagree with that. Some people are able to have great relationships without sex. Though it is rare, these relationships do exist.
You know, it's not anyware near my #1 priority, but I do think the chemistry has to be there. Otherwise you've got...a friendship.

How old are you?
15 years old

Ah, no worries. That's the time that's the most fun because everything is so new.

Ah, no worries. That's the time that's the most fun because everything is so new.
Not always.

A man astute and caring enough to make the effort to discover what she wants without being told, and do his damnedest to provide that for her to the best of his ability.

I'll have to agree with this because it works for ALL women, no matter what they want. For instance I want a guy who is nice, smart, fun (humorous goes with that), and possibly good with computers (computer geeks are awesome :D ); now with a man who will try is "damnedest to provide that" would get my heart any day.

Oh, and a guy that loves me as much as I love him would be good too :) .

Not always.
Well, it was the best time for me. The most exciting. I fell in love for the first time, kissed for the first time, made out, got felt up, er...the pattern continued.

Well, it was the best time for me. The most exciting. I fell in love for the first time, kissed for the first time, made out, got felt up, er...the pattern continued.
It's great that your first experience was a good one. That's not always the case. Some women experience more discomfort than anything else.

It's great that your first experience was a good one. That's not always the case. Some women experience more discomfort than anything else.

Some guys are terrible in bed — just because the first time is not so great doesn't mean one can't move on to try, try again.

As Freud once lamented, "What DOES a woman want?" The answer varies with the age of the woman, her experience level in life, how materialistic she is ... a multitude of variables. But there is one thread which runs through all experience levels, all levels of maturity, all women. Anyone know what it is? :)

EDIT: It's been my experience, lo these many years, that what a woman truly wants is ... fanfare ...

A man astute and caring enough to make the effort to discover what she wants without being told, and do his damndest to provide that for her to the best of his ability.

Whadda ya think? :)
of course why else do they say that want one thing and then when a guy gets it, it turns out she wanted another. Mind games is what its all about, which i dont care for it gives me a headache to think lol.

Yeah, that's true. Not everyone has a good expereince. I think waiting till you're ready helps with that.

Some guys are terrible in bed — just because the first time is not so great doesn't mean one can't move on to try, try again.
True, but many times it has little to do with how skilled the man is. Sometimes it's simply a matter of physiology. Of course, the more skilled the man is, the more likely it is that the woman's first experience will be a pleasant one. Just depends upon the parties involved and what they're capable of.

of course why else do they say that want one thing and then when a guy gets it, it turns out she wanted another. Mind games is what its all about, which i dont care for it gives me a headache to think lol.
What a woman says she wants and what she actually wants are often very different things. Perhaps she doesn't know herself well enough. Perhaps she's afraid to let anyone know what she wants. It's not always about game-playing.

I think it has more to do with how compatable the people are than how "skilled". Not that that doesn't contribute.

All they want are hummers and roses

And when I say hummers, I'm not talking about cars...

What a woman says she wants and what she actually wants are often very different things. Perhaps she doesn't know herself well enough. Perhaps she's afraid to let anyone know what she wants. It's not always about game-playing.
Yes. In fact, one of Howard Gardner's intelligences is intrapersonal intelligence, which only some people have. Just like interpersonal intelligence, which is basically the same thing, just with other people.

I think it has more to do with how compatable the people are than how "skilled". Not that that doesn't contribute.
I think the original post in this portion of the thread was strictly about sex, not relationships. There's another thread which goes into great detail about the differences and the compatibility of both friendship and sex. :)

I'll have to agree with this because it works for ALL women, no matter what they want. For instance I want a guy who is nice, smart, fun (humorous goes with that), and possibly good with computers (computer geeks are awesome :D ); now with a man who will try is "damnedest to provide that" would get my heart any day.

Oh, and a guy that loves me as much as I love him would be good too :) .
Glad you agree!

Now, define "love" for me. :)

Some women are game players. I hate that. They're so insecure they use guys as toys for their egos.

Some women are game players. I hate that. They're so insecure they use guys as toys for their egos.
Some men are game players. Women hate that. They're so insecure they use women as toys for their egos. :D

Indeed.

Indeed.
Um ... you'll have to stop that. I'm not use to people on this board agreeing with me so much! LOL!

Ah yes...the trials and tribulations you must face. ;-)

actually its simple what most women basicaaly want is a guy that will be respectful,kind,loving,tender-hearted, and a good-personality(like someone who likes to have fun but not over do it) and suprisingly for most women looks attract but in the end looks are simply looks nothing more so its actually low on the list for what to look for in a relationship same for money sure money and looks are nice but in the end thats all they are most women are intrested in personality :cool:

Ah yes...the trials and tribulations you must face. ;-)
LOL! Well, I hate Kerry, if THAT tells you anything! ROFL!

actually its simple what most women basicaaly want is a guy that will be respectful,kind,loving,tender-hearted, and a good-personality(like someone who likes to have fun but not over do it) and suprisingly for most women looks attract but in the end looks are simply looks nothing more so its actually low on the list for what to look for in a relationship same for money sure money and looks are nice but in the end thats all they are most women are intrested in personality :cool:
yep. A personality can in fact be the thing that you find attractive, and then grow to realize how hot they are.

Wow.. that guy's good.

And you know he re-gifts.

Are you sure you don't mean like slimey or disgusting

Because if he were _good_ I woulda kept the presents longer.

I don't date people for presents.

Are you sure you don't mean like slimey or disgusting

Because if he were _good_ I woulda kept the presents longer.

I don't date people for presents.
Very wise. What DO you date people for?

I think the best answer for me anyway is everything im not

I think the best answer for me anyway is everything im not
I strongly suspect you vastly underestimate yourself.

Very wise. What DO you date people for?


Sandwiches ?

Very wise. What DO you date people for?

Did it for a bet once ;) never again i'm telling you....ergh

Sandwiches ?
LOL! You nut! Hmmm. Define "sandwitch!" :D

Did it for a bet once ;) never again i'm telling you....ergh
Heh! So what did you win?

If you're just skimming through the replies, slow down and read this post carefully. You will not regret it.

I didn't read everything, cuz there are already nine pages of replies, and probably more by the time that I'll be done writing this, so I can't tell who's wrong and who's (at least partially) right. BUT, I know for sure that I'm right.

First off, these are the kind of guys that women hate, don't love, run away from, and rarely fuck with:
- Nice guys.
- Guys who kiss their arses.
- Pussy Wussies.
- Predictable, boring guys (because they do some or all of the above, and few or none of the following).

Secondly, these are the kind of guys that women may become friends with (or MAYBE EVEN fuck with), but without really loving them:
- Guys who pay them stuff.
- Guys who pay them a bunch of stuff.

Thirdly, this is what some girls say that they like, but that is in fact MOSTLY IRRELEVANT:
- Looks.
- Muscles.
- Height.

And fourthly, these are the characteristics of the guys that girls love, pursue, are attracted to, and do all sorts of crazy things to be with (more or less in order of importance) :
- COCKY AND FUNNY (that's what it is, really, the rest is just icing on the cake).
- Indifferent, inaccessible.
- Heavy teasers (most likely in a jerky way).
- Being literate in the grammar and alphabet of body language.
- Masters of multiple non-ejaculatory orgasms, Tantra, Kama Sutra, Sexual Tao and other such things (HOWEVER, these are just bonuses, because in order to use this stuff, you first need to have the above skills; these unusual techniques are very good conversation subjects, however).

Basically, any guy that stands out from the masses (because he has the caracteristics of the fourth group), will give girls a good time, without letting them figure out if he's interested in them or not. This combination of mixed signals will bring doubt and curiosity in the girl's mind, which will make her spend HER WHOLE TIME thinking about him, which will make her feel a strong gut-level attraction for him, which will make HER pursue HIM.

THIS, is how it really works. I've been like most of you for the greater part of my life (i.e.: ignorant of those things). I've also been more or less of a nerd (like most of you) for a fair amount of my life. It is just recently that I've started interesting myself in personal progress, self help, and, basically, getting myself experience in every domain there is. I have thus read and listened to a good amount of stuff on a good amount of topics. I have read about the above theories, I have tried them, and in a few weeks I've gotten more success with girls than in my whole life, I got my first girlfriend, I got laid, and, well, I got a HUGE ego boost, which helps every other aspect of my life.

Sorry if tough love hurts you, but I gotta tell you this:

The solution to your problems is not jerking off and picking up prostitutes (or paying girls stuff, like some of you like to call it :rolleyes: ). The solution to your problems is to have the courage to challenge and reframe your own limiting beliefs. The majority of you have incorrect perceptions of reality, and you believe them so strongly, that you provoke your own failures.

If you're just skimming through the replies, slow down and read this post carefully. You will not regret it.

I didn't read everything, cuz there are already nine pages of replies, and probably more by the time that I'll be done writing this, so I can't tell who's wrong and who's (at least partially) right. BUT, I know for sure that I'm right.

First off, these are the kind of guys that women hate, don't love, run away from, and rarely fuck with:
- Nice guys.
- Guys who kiss their arses.
- Pussy Wussies.
- Predictable, boring guys (because they do some or all of the above, and few or none of the following).

Secondly, these are the kind of guys that women may become friends with (or MAYBE EVEN fuck with), but without really loving them:
- Guys who pay them stuff.
- Guys who pay them a bunch of stuff.

Thirdly, this is what some girls say that they like, but that is in fact MOSTLY IRRELEVANT:
- Looks.
- Muscles.
- Height.

And fourthly, these are the characteristics of the guys that girls love, pursue, are attracted to, and do all sorts of crazy things to be with (more or less in order of importance) :
- COCKY AND FUNNY (that's what it is, really, the rest is just icing on the cake).
- Indifferent, inaccessible.
- Heavy teasers (most likely in a jerky way).
- Being literate in the grammar and alphabet of body language.
- Masters of multiple non-ejaculatory orgasms, Tantra, Kama Sutra, Sexual Tao and other such things (HOWEVER, these are just bonuses, because in order to use this stuff, you first need to have the above skills; these unusual techniques are very good conversation subjects, however).

Basically, any guy that stands out from the masses (because he has the caracteristics of the fourth group), will give girls a good time, without letting them figure out if he's interested in them or not. This combination of mixed signals will bring doubt and curiosity in the girl's mind, which will make her spend HER WHOLE TIME thinking about him, which will make her feel a strong gut-level attraction for him, which will make HER pursue HIM.

THIS, is how it really works. I've been like most of you for the greater part of my life (i.e.: ignorant of those things). I've also been more or less of a nerd (like most of you) for a fair amount of my life. It is just recently that I've started interesting myself in personal progress, self help, and, basically, getting myself experience in every domain there is. I have thus read and listened to a good amount of stuff on a good amount of topics. I have read about the above theories, I have tried them, and in a few weeks I've gotten more success with girls than in my whole life, I got my first girlfriend, I got laid, and, well, I got a HUGE ego boost, which helps every other aspect of my life.
As far as this goes, you are basically accurate. However, your entire focus seems to be very short-term and almost entirely focused on yourself. If this is an incorrect conclusion, I apologize. Any lasting relationship is based upon mutual trust and acceptance. Using what you have suggested above exclusively will almost always lead to a lack of trust and unfulfilled expectations. The impact on you will be even worse, tending to convert you into a "user" and a "taker."

A man astute and caring enough to make the effort to discover what she wants without being told, and do his damndest to provide that for her to the best of his ability.

Whadda ya think? :)

I think then the woman in question would be being unfair, no one is a mind reader. If you want something you should just say so.

I think then the woman in question would be being unfair, no one is a mind reader. If you want something you should just say so.
A very male assumption.

Very wise. What DO you date people for?

Quality intellectual stimualtion and quality sexual stimulation packaged with honesty, open-mindedness, and compassion. The rest is negotiable.

A very male assumption.


Funny, that I am a woman though, ain't it. :rolleyes: Expecting someone to read your mind is stupid, it has nothing to do with gender. Saying one thing and meaning another likewise falls in this catagory.

Funny, that I am a woman though, ain't it. :rolleyes: Expecting someone to read your mind is stupid, it has nothing to do with gender. Saying one thing and meaning another likewise falls in this catagory.
I don't know from whence you hail, but in the US, directness and, yes, bluntness are usually considered to be predominantly "male" characteristics. This may be changing, however I don't have any statistics to either verify or disprove it.

A wealthy vibrator that takes out the trash.
Sounds right.

Women need nothing! Women shall get nothing! They shall have the same freedoms as our pets! All hail General Krau!

Any disobedience will be met with deadly force. :mp5: :sniper:

Quality intellectual stimualtion and quality sexual stimulation packaged with honesty, open-mindedness, and compassion. The rest is negotiable.
If that's truly what you look for, you're a very wise woman. :)

I think then the woman in question would be being unfair, no one is a mind reader. If you want something you should just say so.
Agreed with you, and lmao at Eutrusca.

I do wish females would tell me what they actually want.

I don't know from whence you hail, but in the US, directness and, yes, bluntness are usually considered to be predominantly "male" characteristics. This may be changing, however I don't have any statistics to either verify or disprove it.


I am from the USA, the South in particular. And I don't see being honest and upfront as being a "male" characteristic as gender as nothing to do with that.

What do women really want?
Flowers?
Chocolates?

If none of the above then I'm fresh out of ideas :D

ME!

or beer

What do women really want?
Flowers?
Chocolates?

If none of the above then I'm fresh out of ideas :D
You are a man of limited vision, grasshopper! :D

Nice suprises when they're least expecting them.

I am from the USA, the South in particular. And I don't see being honest and upfront as being a "male" characteristic as gender as nothing to do with that.
True, but sady women who know what they want and are open with the men in their lives about what that is are far too few. The same may be said of some men, but I wouldn't know about that.

You are a man of limited vision, grasshopper! :D

I was only joking, I know they also like shiney things too...

...and shoes.

I was only joking, I know they also like shiney things too...

...and shoes.
How incredibly astute of you. [/sarcasm]

Nice suprises when they're least expecting them.
Can't hurt. :)

Can't hurt. :)
Hasn't so far :D

Most of them probably don't have a clue what they want. E.g - say they have boyfriend who provides all their sexual, financial, emotional and practical needs, that won't stop them making seemingly irrational decisions to disrupt this happy state. No I'm not bitter, not bitter at all.

Most of them probably don't have a clue what they want. E.g - say they have boyfriend who provides all their sexual, financial, emotional and practical needs, that won't stop them making seemingly irrational decisions to disrupt this happy state. No I'm not bitter, not bitter at all.
Why should you be bitter? Isn't that rather like letting the clueless decide how you'll feel?

Given the choice between a nice guy and a complete bastard, women seem to go for the bastard...not because they like being treated like s--- but because that one is the more "exciting" option, and it takes them way too long to learn from experience that some qualities aren't as great as they seem.

Just my take on things.

Given the choice between a nice guy and a complete bastard, women seem to go for the bastard...not because they like being treated like s--- but because that one is the more "exciting" option, and it takes them way too long to learn from experience that some qualities aren't as great as they seem.

Just my take on things.
All too true, but the consequences can sometimes be incredibly dire, as I have seen time and time again. :(

Not sure if anyone's said this or not, but I think the answer is simple:

What do women really want? Well ... ask her!

It depends on the woman. There is no universal answer as all women are not the same.

Klonor :p
Virgins they like the idea of breakin in a man :D

Break me in dammit i promise ill behave :(

As Freud once lamented, "What DOES a woman want?" The answer varies with the age of the woman, her experience level in life, how materialistic she is ... a multitude of variables. But there is one thread which runs through all experience levels, all levels of maturity, all women. Anyone know what it is? :)

EDIT: It's been my experience, lo these many years, that what a woman truly wants is ... fanfare ...

A man astute and caring enough to make the effort to discover what she wants without being told, and do his damndest to provide that for her to the best of his ability.

Whadda ya think? :)

/sigh

Being a woman, I'll answer you. Accurately.

What a woman TRUELY wants is to be loved and respected.

A man doesn't always have to have a lot of money.
He doesn't need a big... tool.
He doesn't need to be a fashion model.
He doesn't need to have a sexual repetoire that puts the Kama Sutra to shame.
He doesn't even have to put the toilet seat down.

He just has to be loving and respectful. That's all.

Fanfare be damned.

Most of the women I know who have walked out on a relationship all had their varied and individual laundry list of complaints, all with one pair of things in common:

1) He didn't seem to respect me.
2) He never told me he loved me unless he wanted something or had screwed up. / He just didn't seem to love me anymore.

So for those of you who are standing there feeling bitter because you can't seem to keep a woman, even when you're throwing money and shiney crap at them -- well you no doubt made the supreme mistake of either not giving them respect with the phat lewts, or gave them the impression that you no longer really cared.

Sure, I like a sexy pair of boots as well as the next woman, but I can get those for myself. The only thing in life I cannot give to myself is the love and respect of another person. Fortunately MY man "gets it". Which is why WE have been together for over ten years.

Okay, one last edit.

Lawful Chaos, your advice is more likely to get someone a venereal disease than a working relationship with a woman. You have officially disgusted me.

To all of you who really and honestly think that the only real way to get and keep a woman has to do with cash and sex, please report to the nearest prostitute and kindly leave the rest of us alone. Everyone will be MUCH more happy with the outcome of that arrangement. And maybe they'll actually legalize prostitution and give those poor girls some decent medical and dental coverage.

Well all I want in a man is
GREAT SENSE OF HUMOUR
CAN PICK ME UP IN THE BAD TIMES
A BIG SHINY HUMMER (lol :rolleyes: )

Though I haven't had a girlfriend yet, I'm pretty sure that every woman is different. Just like all men want different things. There may be certain trends or mean (average) desires, but I think it is kind of degrading to women to assume that they all want the same thing.
Come on, you know the one thing that all of us (men) want :P


Women, women want..
Women don't know what they want. Don;t listen to them, they always lie about it. In fact, most of the times they don't even know they are lying about it, but it can be taken for a fact that if you ask a woman what women want, and then do it, she will be dissatisfied.

The fanfare part, i think that's part of it.

They also want to feel secure, knowing that the guy will always be there for them to bail them out when/if they fail at something.
They want to feel loved, and the unexpected gift at an unexpected time part, is one way they know they're loved.

But of course on short terms, they are looking for "tall dark and handsome" with money, a nice car, money and an exciting personality.

"what do women really want?"

its a ridiculous question. women are individuals and each one wants a different thing. some want money or prestige, some want great sex, some just want to be left alone.

its as stupid as asking the quesiton "what do MEN really want?"

sure we all laugh and say "sex, beer, and their team on TV" but you know its just a silly joke. you know there is no real answer to that question because MEN are individuals.

the sooner y'all realize that women are PEOPLE the sooner you can get on to understanding each woman one at a time. not that its EASY to figure out but if you are stuck on what was true for the LAST woman you think you figured out you are doomed to failure.
All men want a girl who
in this order:
Has amazing body and performs great sex
Not being better than him in anything manly-related.
Will not shove feminism in his throat
Will not be opposed to being a housewife, or at least doing most of the work around the house.
Intelligence.
Other stuff.

As for love, let me tell you something.

Once in a while, it so occurs that a man kidnaps a woman. They live in the woods, away from the civilisation. He rapes her, makes her do slave labor housework, beats/whips her when she is disobidient, sometimes even pimps her out. However, if this "relationship" continues for a long while, years even, the girl actually ends up loving him. I think I read in a newspaper, about this situtation, and the woman actually defended him in court, because she strongly loved him. In the end, he went free and they came back to the lifestyle. Although both of them admitted to court, that in the beginning, she was very much 'opposed' to that relationship, and it was obvious she wasn't a masochist, or someone who would like that kind of treatment.

As for love, let me tell you something.

Once in a while, it so occurs that a man kidnaps a woman. They live in the woods, away from the civilisation. He rapes her, makes her do slave labor housework, beats/whips her when she is disobidient, sometimes even pimps her out. However, if this "relationship" continues for a long while, years even, the girl actually ends up loving him. I think I read in a newspaper, about this situtation, and the woman actually defended him in court, because she strongly loved him. In the end, he went free and they came back to the lifestyle. Although both of them admitted to court, that in the beginning, she was very much 'opposed' to that relationship, and it was obvious she wasn't a masochist, or someone who would like that kind of treatment.
It's called Stockholm syndrome

never heard of the name, but if you say so, i believe you.

never heard of the name, but if you say so, i believe you.
It sounds bizarre but it's so common that they actually have a name for it. people are weird.

Quite similar case happened in Stockholm, can't remember when but they got this name after that.
i've also heard of Helsinki syndrome but I think they have just mixed these two capitals.

As Freud once lamented, "What DOES a woman want?" The answer varies with the age of the woman, her experience level in life, how materialistic she is ... a multitude of variables. But there is one thread which runs through all experience levels, all levels of maturity, all women. Anyone know what it is? :)

EDIT: It's been my experience, lo these many years, that what a woman truly wants is ... fanfare ...

A man astute and caring enough to make the effort to discover what she wants without being told, and do his damndest to provide that for her to the best of his ability.

Whadda ya think? :)

I like that, but men shouldn't have to learn to read minds either. All I ever ask is that if I'm consistently one way, you know, like I get upset if he uses all the toilet paper and doesn't replace the roll, that he learns eventually to do that.

Oral sex. (on them)

That's always nice too. The favor tends to get returned more often if men aren't stingy with it themselves.

from my experience someone to treat them like crap

I've seen women like that too. We're not all masochists though. I never understood why a woman would put up with that kind of treatment.

A wealthy vibrator that takes out the trash.

Wrong. Only very shallow women want that. Just like only very shallow men want an ornamental mute blonde who gives blow-jobs on command.

Me? I support myself, and I take pride in the fact that nobody pays my way. I wouldn't look for a man with money. It doesn't follow that money and a personality you can live with go hand in hand.

I like that, but men shouldn't have to learn to read minds either. All I ever ask is that if I'm consistently one way, you know, like I get upset if he uses all the toilet paper and doesn't replace the roll, that he learns eventually to do that.


Amen to that. :cool: In addition, as others have said, I'd like an intelligent, honest, witty man who's dedicated to me alone and won't stray even in the face of strong temptation. 'Do as you would be done by' seems to fit the bill. I don't car if he's homeless with a face like a badger's arse, if he's faithful, considerate and honest, he fits the bill.

I've got a man like that. He's sweet, smart, funny, capable, considerate, honest...I could go on and on. The thing is, he doesn't even really register temptation with anyone else. For that matter, neither do I. It's just sort of an indifferent recognition thing. I see a sexy man and think, "huh. Nice to look at." and move on. That's because the thought behind it is, "He's not the right one. He's not MY man."

I've got a man like that. He's sweet, smart, funny, capable, considerate, honest...I could go on and on. The thing is, he doesn't even really register temptation with anyone else. For that matter, neither do I. It's just sort of an indifferent recognition thing. I see a sexy man and think, "huh. Nice to look at." and move on. That's because the thought behind it is, "He's not the right one. He's not MY man."
Aight, just make sure he's not also looking at the hot man. :P

Aight, just make sure he's not also looking at the hot man. :P

:D

He isn't. Trust me on this. I think it's just that we each found what we were looking for.

ROFLMAO!! NOT! A mature woman will often totally disregard the size of a man's wallet if she discovers that he is what she's looking for in most other respects. Money, contrary to popular belief, is NOT everything.
Yeah its whats next to the wallet that matters :p

Nah seriously Guys get into relationships to have Sex
Girls give Sex to get in a relationship
or so ive heard :p

In this order:

1. Friendship
2. Love
3. Respect
4. Support
5. Mind numbing sex

i can definatly promise 3 of those 5 things
Cookie for the first to guess which 3 :p
Probably give a decent knock at the other 2 :p

Speaking of oral sex, I recently found out why people get tongue rings. I got detailed explanations from both a female and a male (the latter less specific), and I now know exactly what the advantage to each sex is.
i knew of this
Dont know reason could you elaborate?
Damn deviants

It's been my experience, lo these many years, that what a woman truly wants is ... fanfare ...

A man astute and caring enough to make the effort to discover what she wants without being told, and do his damndest to provide that for her to the best of his ability.
Beyond his ability
Treat her like a godess

About women who date jerks or abusive men:
These are the guys that persue us, and, I'll be honest: It's attractive when a man knows what he wants and what he wants is you. It doesn't stay attractive when he yells at you. But when he comes back with flowers saying he could never live without you...anyway, I think its the equivalent of guys who date girls that need "saving" in some way or another.
Now, what I want:
A man with confidence
Somebody SMART and opinionated
Somebody hot
Somebody who cares about me
I care

It's been my experience, lo these many years, that what a woman truly wants is ... fanfare ...

A man astute and caring enough to make the effort to discover what she wants without being told, and do his damndest to provide that for her to the best of his ability.
Bang on with that one. Thats why we're supposed to know what's wrong without being told - it shows you're paying attention and that you care!

I think in this thread people posting should specify their sex, because I could give a damn less what all you guys think a girl wants (no offense).

i can definatly promise 3 of those 5 things
Cookie for the first to guess which 3 :p
Probably give a decent knock at the other 2 :p
I'm guessing you're bad at respect and mindnumbing sex

I'm guessing you're bad at respect and mindnumbing sex
Id have to say dead on the Button
Have a Cookie :D

Bang on with that one. Thats why we're supposed to know what's wrong without being told - it shows you're paying attention and that you care!
Yup! It's the interest and effort which count more than anything else, at least with most women. :)

Yup! It's the interest and effort which count more than anything else, at least with most women. :)
Plus its well worth it when you get it right :)

Plus its well worth it when you get it right :)
Ohhhh yeahhh! Can you say "total exhaustion" boys and girls? :D

yeah it was killed by feminism and "female empowerment" and other bullshit
So you would prefer to pay for both yourself and her? If feminism brought the change, I say bring it on!

Men want casual sex without emotional commitment. Preferably with someone who is extremely hot.
:rolleyes:

It's been my experience, lo these many years, that what a woman truly wants is ... fanfare ...

A man astute and caring enough to make the effort to discover what she wants without being told, and do his damndest to provide that for her to the best of his ability.
ffs why don't you just put it in your signature!

I'd second that. That was pretty horrible, even for her. I think she should go into porn. Along with her sister.
No she's an ugly girl. She should disappear into obscurity.

Um ... you'll have to stop that. I'm not use to people on this board agreeing with me so much! LOL!
OMG u redneck consertavive sh!t!!!1!!

Is that better? ;)

Other people can make bad sandwiches. Sometimes a lot worse than the ones you make yourself.
funny