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and here it is again.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6617739/

The UN is finished as far as credibility is concerned.

The world is going down the same path,

and 'didn't know about it', yeah right.

We Did Nothing (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0141012900/qid=1101825903/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_2_1/026-5260318-4567648)

This book will make you cry like a baby. I'm not kidding.

and here it is again.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6617739/

The UN is finished as far as credibility is concerned.
Somehow I dident expect better from em

We Did Nothing (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0141012900/qid=1101825903/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_2_1/026-5260318-4567648)

This book will make you cry like a baby. I'm not kidding.
IDon't think anyone is really listening my friend. The US has decided that the UN can be safely got rid of now and the media is happy to help. I was listening to an interview with a Neo-Con author a little while ago saying exactly that. Anyone got a rocket ship? I think it might be a good time to leave?

IDon't think anyone is really listening my friend. The US has decided that the UN can be safely got rid of now and the media is happy to help. I was listening to an interview with a Neo-Con author a little while ago saying exactly that. Anyone got a rocket ship? I think it might be a good time to leave?

Yeah. It's basically about how the big UN countries ignore genocide where they have no interest, and then blame the UN when it all goes wrong.

Well yes... It seems that as now the UN is slipping out of USA:s control, they are actively trying to get rid of it. Too bad i think :(.

That's appalling! The depths the UN will sink to. What next?
Probably something like the deputy still getting $100k a year from a company he used to be CEO of which gets preferential treatment and billion-dollar no-bid contracts from the UN military.

... *sits there...*

So...like yeah...


*blink*

Soooo...anyone up for a little marijuana? It'll help you deal with this white-collar bullshit. It makes everything soooo sweet.... plus it makes you real and good disenfranchised...

That's appalling! The depths the UN will sink to. What next?
Probably something like the deputy still getting $100k a year from a company he used to be CEO of which gets preferential treatment and billion-dollar no-bid contracts from the UN military.

Um, that's Kofi Annan's son, not the UN. How is the UN responsible for his actions? The UN has many faults, as do all organisations, but this isn't one of them.

Hey if Cheney can; why not his son?

Corruption and politics. :eek: Who would have thought? :rolleyes:

and here it is again.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6617739/

The UN is finished as far as credibility is concerned.

Did I just see the words "UN" and "credibility" in the same sentence?

and here it is again.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6617739/

The UN is finished as far as credibility is concerned.
Do you really want to abolish the entire UN, or just the Security Council? As far as I can tell, your hatred of the UN stems from the Security Council's disagreement with the USA on its military actions in Kosovo and Iraq.

What's so bad about the other UN bodies, such as UNICEF?


I hate the way that every time some other countries disagree with the United States' latest Rambo military adventure, the UN is declared to be "irrelevant". Irrelevant because it won't automatically do America's bidding.

and here it is again.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6617739/

The UN is finished as far as credibility is concerned.


So, was the Republican Party's credibility also "finished" when Bush's daughter got nailed for underage drinking?


Just trying to figure out how big a leap of logic you're willing to take Bif....

So, was the Republican Party's credibility also "finished" when Bush's daughter got nailed for underage drinking?

Underage drinking by a daughter is NOTHING compared to the oil for food scandal. $23 Billion was skimmed off by Saddam. Some of it going to support terrorists in the PLO. It is the largest swindle in history and it was only made possible because those in authority at the UN allowed it to happen. France is really going to come off badly in this one too.

But wait, there's more....wait till the management scandal finally comes to light. I called this one over a month ago and was decried as an extremist....yet it turns out I was right.

Koffi Annan is finished, and the UN will fall with him.

It's time for a new person to be in charge of the UN, I don't care who, but Annan has too much dirt on himself.

Underage drinking by a daughter is NOTHING compared to the oil for food scandal. $23 Billion was skimmed off by Saddam. Some of it going to support terrorists in the PLO. It is the largest swindle in history and it was only made possible because those in authority at the UN allowed it to happen. France is really going to come off badly in this one too.

But wait, there's more....wait till the management scandal finally comes to light. I called this one over a month ago and was decried as an extremist....yet it turns out I was right.



Of course, the problems with your whole line of logic include the facts that

a) The investigation into the Oil for Food scandal is not complete. Throwing out numbers like $23 Billion without basis is stupid.

b) Even if corruption DID occur in the oil for food program, that does not imply complicity from all the people involved. First you need to prove that company Annan's son did some work for was corrupt. Then prove that he knew it and was involved. Up until then, you have NOTHING. "Guilt by association" doesn't fly. If it did, GW would still considered a criminal thanks to his Grandfather's association with the NAzis.


Koffi Annan is finished, and the UN will fall with him.

Just like the US was finished when Nixon resigned?

Well yes... It seems that as now the UN is slipping out of USA:s control, they are actively trying to get rid of it. Too bad i think :(.
If the UN was under US control, there would be a lot fewer resolutions coming up against Israel. Your argument has holes you could drive a barn through.

Um, that's Kofi Annan's son, not the UN.
It's this little thing called nepotism.

Of course, the problems with your whole line of logic include the facts that

a) The investigation into the Oil for Food scandal is not complete. Throwing out numbers like $23 Billion without basis is stupid.

b) Even if corruption DID occur in the oil for food program, that does not imply complicity from all the people involved. First you need to prove that company Annan's son did some work for was corrupt. Then prove that he knew it and was involved. Up until then, you have NOTHING. "Guilt by association" doesn't fly. If it did, GW would still considered a criminal thanks to his Grandfather's association with the NAzis.

Just like the US was finished when Nixon resigned?

You just don't seem to get it do you, but thats ok. $23 billion has been reported widely here as the amount that Saddam skimmed off. That does not include the amounts that the various UN officials skimmed off. Saddam used the money to bribe members of the security council (France) to fight against the US efforts to oust him from power. This is going to be one huge scandal when all is said and done.

Kojo Annan took payments for something. No company is going to pay someone $30,000 a year for 5 years just because they can now are they? Congress is very concerned about what is going on at the UN, given that it is on US soil, they will be very interested in what has happened. Of course they will call certain UN officials in to testify about their actions. Want to bet that every one of them plays the "diplomatic immunity" card? Which will just go further to convince Congress that the land the UN stands on would make a better bird refuge than an international tea party forum.

>>>If the UN was under US control, there would be a lot fewer resolutions coming up against Israel. Your argument has holes you could drive a barn through.

And since you obviously do not know the difference between the GA and SC, you are not really qualified to be posting in this thread. :p

That's appalling! The depths the UN will sink to. What next?
Probably something like the deputy still getting $100k a year from a company he used to be CEO of which gets preferential treatment and billion-dollar no-bid contracts from the UN military.
That was true before Bush became president. Look at the contract history of H. They got more no-bid contracts under Clinton. There really wasn't another company that had the experience and manpower for the job.

And since you obviously do not know the difference between the GA and SC, you are not really qualified to be posting in this thread. :p
Doesn't make the point any less valid. It wasn't under US control was it :p

If the UN was under US control, there would be a lot fewer resolutions coming up against Israel. Your argument has holes you could drive a barn through.
The UN is under US control. Have you noticed that every resolution that criticises Israel instantly gets vetoed?

It's time for a new person to be in charge of the UN, I don't care who, but Annan has too much dirt on himself.

There will be very soon. Annan's term is up in 2005 and an election will be held in early 2006. Annan cannot run again. However, Bill Clinton will run.

The world (and majority of Americans) loves Bill Clinton. The only people who don't like him will speak up now (just wait and see) and you'll know who they are and what kind of people they are.

You just don't seem to get it do you, but thats ok. $23 billion has been reported widely here as the amount that Saddam skimmed off. That does not include the amounts that the various UN officials skimmed off. Saddam used the money to bribe members of the security council (France) to fight against the US efforts to oust him from power. This is going to be one huge scandal when all is said and done.


No, actually - you don't seem to get it. $23 Billion has been reported as an amount that Saddam made through various methods - including perhaps some kickbacks via this program but also through doing things like sending oil illegally through neighbouring countries. The amounts that may have been skimmed by any outside agencies - including perhaps some involved in the oil for food program - has not been completely investigated yet, nor have any verified results pointing to any specific companies or people been released.

Was there corruption? Sure - probably. There have rarely been dealings with governments where corruption hasn't occured.

But jumping to your "everybody who traded with Iraq during the embargo period MUST have been corrupt" assumption is rediculous.

Of course, if it is true - please prepare for Dick Cheney's imminent arrest....

But hey.... if Bif says it's true... then I guess it must be.

After all, your other leap of logic is that the money was then kicked back to France to fight against the US with that silly "prove that he has WMD" argument that they used..... because we all know how silly a position THAT turned out to have been ..... right?



Kojo Annan took payments for something. No company is going to pay someone $30,000 a year for 5 years just because they can now are they? Congress is very concerned about what is going on at the UN, given that it is on US soil, they will be very interested in what has happened. Of course they will call certain UN officials in to testify about their actions. Want to bet that every one of them plays the "diplomatic immunity" card? Which will just go further to convince Congress that the land the UN stands on would make a better bird refuge than an international tea party forum.

So, Kojo had a job.

What? You jealous?

But no... instead you immediately assume that it MUST have been graft-related that MUST have reached to Kofi. All this supposition that lacks that one basic ingredient to have it mean anything.... proof.

In other words: Holy Conspiracy Theory Batman!



In other news, and using your same high standard of "bifian logic" the recent rulings against ABC by the FCC regarding Janet JAckson's nipple was actually a case of Colin Powell's son intimidating US network television to keep them in line during the elections.... if it weren't for this ruling (and several other threatened ones that you will never hear about), then ABC would have published all of the dirt on GW that they had.... and Powell also took a 10% cut of the fines to pay for liposuction and botox treatments.

Hey, my theory has just as much basis in proven facts as yours does so far....



and again, even if it does turn out that Kofi's son made some illegal cash off of the oil for food rpogram, i.e. that your supposition is correct, you still have not made your case as to how this will "end" the UN.

Like I said, if the US could survive Nixon....


But the other thing that you completely fail to note?

A question: Despite all of the bluster, do you REALLY think that congress wants a full and complete investigation of the Oil for Food program? Or is it just posturing?

Before you answer this, do bear in mind that the US WAS one of the largest importers of Iraqi oil during the program's tenure, and that the Republican party has longstanding ties to the oil industry. IF there were a complete investigation, how many Americans do you think would get caught up in it?

My bet is that this will be a political football that allows people to scream from their soapboxes for a while, but one that is eventually left to fizzle out to avoid American embarassment.

The UN has lost its purpose.

It is corrupt and refuses to denounce the Genocides of Rwanda and Sudan - while I am for some level of int'l cooperation in solving conflicts, I advocate a full and immediate pull-out from the UN.

“I don’t think the U.S. government rushes to judgment until all the facts are in,” he said.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....
*gasp for breath*
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... :D