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Seeing as the band The Moop went on strike to protest people downloading music illegally in order to get them to stop will you stop? Do you agree with them?

!!! I wanted to see the responce before I posted this edit, the Moop was on a South Park episode, and when they went on strike, the news said, "In a recent poll we asked if they agreed with the Moop's strike; 1% said Yes, 2% said no, and 97% said 'Who the hell is the Moop?'" And the polls turned out almost exactly like the South Park episode!!! GENIUS!!!

Seeing as the band The Moop went on strike to protest people downloading music illegally in order to get them to stop will you stop? Do you agree with them?
"Who the hell is the moop"

I'm just doing my part against capitalism. http://members.rogers.com/dariuszalina/emot-ussr.gif

Seriously, most of my downloading revolves around getting old or obscure shit that would be near impossible to find in a store or things I can't get here.

"Who the hell is the moop"
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You Bastards

Seeing as the band The Moop went on strike to protest people downloading music illegally in order to get them to stop will you stop? Do you agree with them?

No. First of all I have no clue who The Moop is. Second of all, me downloading music is me going on strike against shelling out countless dollars for overpriced CD's with one good song each on them. I don't give a shit if the moop don't make any more music. From the sound of it, the world would be better off.

who the HELL is the moop?

i'm iffy on it.
getting caught downloadin such.. is a hefty thing
then again i dont' wanna spend 20 something dollars on one freakin song
:headbang:

who the hell is The Moop?

I know who the moop are....

They're a bunch of nobodies who've decided to try to scrounge up a bit of publicity by making a media statement that might be seen as "controversial" in some circles. :rolleyes:

They are probably hoping that people will wonder who they are and look 'em up.... With their filesharing software :D

I know who the moop are....

They're a bunch of nobodies who've decided to try to scrounge up a bit of publicity by making a media statement that might be seen as "controversial" in some circles. :rolleyes:

They are probably hoping that people will wonder who they are and look 'em up.... With their filesharing software :D

And maybe even buy a CD...those crafty bastards.

Good for them.

I will continue to download music as I see fit, and I will continue to purchase CDs from artists that have proven to me that they don't suck. I flat out refuse to continue paying $18 for a CD that has one, maybe two good songs on it. And I don't feel bad that I'm screwing the artists out of money. Maybe if enough of them lose enough money they'll organize some sort of campaign to stop getting shafted by record companies. Maybe all the downloading will force the record industry to put out a quality product once in a while, but seeing as how Napster was almost 8 years ago, it doesn't seem likely.

Napster :( Oh how I miss the non-stop downloading and complete ignorance of CDs

If I really like a band, after downloading some of their songs, I will feel guilty if I don't go out and buy their CD.

I know who the moop are....

They're a bunch of nobodies who've decided to try to scrounge up a bit of publicity by making a media statement that might be seen as "controversial" in some circles. :rolleyes:

They are probably hoping that people will wonder who they are and look 'em up.... With their filesharing software :D

Or maybe they're just shit and they hope that maybe they're not selling any CDs because everybody's "stealing" their music.

They also appear to fail to understand that only the very biggest artists make any money from music sales, and that filesharing actually helps them. The real money in music is made from touring, and they have a better chance of success at that if more people have heard of them.

Little known bands make a lot more by touring. I met and band called League from New York (they actually played in my living room) that I would never have heard of if not for their tour. After playing at a normal tour stop, they made quite a bit of money at my house by selling merchandise.

Good for them.

I will continue to download music as I see fit, and I will continue to purchase CDs from artists that have proven to me that they don't suck. I flat out refuse to continue paying $18 for a CD that has one, maybe two good songs on it. And I don't feel bad that I'm screwing the artists out of money. Maybe if enough of them lose enough money they'll organize some sort of campaign to stop getting shafted by record companies. Maybe all the downloading will force the record industry to put out a quality product once in a while, but seeing as how Napster was almost 8 years ago, it doesn't seem likely.

If they really care about how much money they aren't making, then they are not artists. They are business-people.

If they really care about how much money they aren't making, then they are not artists. They are business-people.

True, but by the same respect, I can understand them wanting to eat and such.

True, but by the same respect, I can understand them wanting to eat and such.

However, this is unrelated to their CD sales. Most bands make a living from touring. The only ones who make any profit from sales are those on major labels who are already raking it in thanks to massive exposure and payola.

However, this is unrelated to their CD sales. Most bands make a living from touring. The only ones who make any profit from sales are those on major labels who are already raking it in thanks to massive exposure and payola.

And even if they made no money from CDs or touring then Pepsi-Cola would keep them in-pocket.

However, this is unrelated to their CD sales. Most bands make a living from touring. The only ones who make any profit from sales are those on major labels who are already raking it in thanks to massive exposure and payola.

I just get frustrated buying a CD because I hear a good song somewhere, and find out that the entire CD sucks ass besides that one song. If they want to charge $20 per disc, then they need to learn how to make it worth $20. I still buy CDs, but now I can research the product before buying it, unlike when I was in junior high and I got screwed frequently.

A lot of little known bands will post their music online for free so their name gets out.

So far we have no reason for a band to complain unless they are really famous. No one has voted "yes".

I just get frustrated buying a CD because I hear a good song somewhere, and find out that the entire CD sucks ass besides that one song. If they want to charge $20 per disc, then they need to learn how to make it worth $20. I still buy CDs, but now I can research the product before buying it, unlike when I was in junior high and I got screwed frequently.

Can't you listen to it in the shop first?

Can't you listen to it in the shop first?

Not always. At least not in the places I go to. They'll have certain discs that you can listen to, but that's 10 or 20 out of hundreds.

Moops?!! It's Moors!

Moops?!! It's Moors!

Nope. Still never heard of them.

Nope. Still never heard of them.

Ditto.

Nope. Still never heard of them.


Seinfeld episode - "bubble boy"...when George was playing trivial pursuit...ah, forget it...

Seinfeld episode - "bubble boy"...when George was playing trivial pursuit...ah, forget it...

I got it!

Seinfeld episode - "bubble boy"...when George was playing trivial pursuit...ah, forget it...
Seinfeld's not funny. He's too polished and there's no spontaneity.

Seinfeld's not funny. He's too polished and there's no spontaneity.

blasphemy!

Greatest show, ever

blasphemy!

Greatest show, ever

Except, not at all.

Except, not at all.

What's wrong with you people?

Ovaltine? Gold I tell ya, gold!

Jessica Simpson holiday video is on. So if you'll excuse me, I have to go kill myself.

Wasn't this a South Park episode? Anyway, I agree with them in principle, but I don't know who they are, so....

I worked in the retail end of music and I and lots of friends lost thier jobs largely becuase of piracy. And Britney didn't have to get one less cup of coffee. And because it is the people making just enough to survive and working like the rest of you that are effected the most, and not the big bad rockstars, I am against piracy. If you want free music, teach yourself guitar.

If it was just a matter of market change, that would be one thing. But now you have plenty of opportunities to legally buy the one song off the album you want, but hey, why not steal it. Why not just take a car...If artists don't deserve anything for their toil, don't listen to thier work. But at the very least, stop pretending you're Robin Hood-you're just nerdy shoplifters.

I worked in the retail end of music and I and lots of friends lost thier jobs largely becuase of piracy.
Your friends lost their jobs at retailers because of piracy? Could you elaborate?

And because it is the people making just enough to survive and working like the rest of you that are effected the most, and not the big bad rockstars, I am against piracy.
Ah, so you're the one speaking out for small-time unsigned artists (like my band)! Thanks, but no thanks. We lived off tours, the best we could possibly hope for from CD sales was to break even. FAT CHANCE. We gave most of them away.

[Any Mancunians remember the short-lived SKITZ? We will be back ...with a new name!]

Maybe you can tell me why it seems like the artists who are already rolling in it seem to care the most about "piracy"? The answer is that they don't (apart from a few really greedy bastards). Their labels do. Major labels lose the most out of downloading. EMI made one less million last year. Forgive me for having no sympathy.

If you want free music, teach yourself guitar.
Wow, is that...free advice?


But now you have plenty of opportunities to legally buy the one song off the album you want, but hey, why not steal it.
Not true. The services which offer single downloads typically don't even list the unsigned/small-time and obscure artists. They are as corrupt and profit driven as the labels themselves. Example, iTunes.

October 23- Two months ago we criticized Apple for claiming that the iTunes Music Store was fair to artists when that was clearly not the case. Our server logs show that Apple employees have visited our site, and a few days ago, Apple modified their iTunes page. While they added much more detail in several sections, they completely removed the claim that iTunes is "fair to the artists and record labels."


http://www.downhillbattle.org/itunes/victory.html

Why not just take a car...
Yeah, downloading an mp3 totally equates to stealing a car. A studio is a production plant and the guitar is a welding machine. Bollocks.

If artists don't deserve anything for their toil, don't listen to thier work.
Except that artists make art because they are artists, primarily. If the main aim is to make a profit, they're not artists.

I wouldn't call writing and recording music "toil". When was the last time you recorded music??? I love it. As far as "getting what I deserve", the kids who came to our shows made sure of that. They paid us with shouts, dancing, floor space, food, etc, etc. We thanked them for that.

But at the very least, stop pretending you're Robin Hood-you're just nerdy shoplifters.
Agreed. Stealing is stealing. I steal music regularly. The bands I listen to don't a fuck. I certainly don't.

And for the record (pun intended :D ) I make every effort to buy records I like which are released on Indies or by the artists themselves. Some of them have a chance to break even (i.e. the record pays for itself because they're popular enough).

Since this has apparently turned into a thread on downloading/piracy I'll just echo what Dave Grohl(sp?) said when asked by Dennis Miller when D had his show on HBO what he thought about it. I paraphrase...

If it hurts some guys who are just getting going because everyone is downloading their music of napster and not buying their CD then, yeah that sucks. But if you've got the big house and the cars and all the rest of the rich and famous crap and youre just complaining cause your royalty check isn't as big as it used to be then FUCK YOU!

As far as someone in a record store being fired, no doubt it sucks (unless they worked for tower records or some other top-ten corporate crap chain). But their loosing their job has as much to do with the pressure put on first time CD sales by things like video games, used CD's from used record stores, the online ebay/half.com/amazon, and pawn shops, and the fact that more people who have had to find new jobs that pay significantly less than they made in the 90's and thus can't afford 20 bucks for the new CD with the sticker and poster and other pre-packaged crap than just blaming someone downloading music. Sure, it's piracy. But so are the prices for a CD with only one or two good songs. What we need are stores where you can choose ten or fifteen brand new good tunes from various artists and burn your own CD. Then it might be worth it.

Edit:
Oh, yeah! Whoever the Moop are? Fuck 'em. I'm tempted to reload my version of Morpheus and go download every song of theirs I can find just for spite!

Well if you like rock (U2, R.E.M., Crowded House style) go to www.kasino.co.uk their music rules, its free and they are pros :D

Oh, yeah! Whoever the Moop are? Fuck 'em. I'm tempted to reload my version of Morpheus and go download every song of theirs I can find just for spite!

That's what they want you to do!

Your friends lost their jobs at retailers because of piracy? Could you elaborate?
Who do took that hit? CEOs? No, sales and retails, bottom of the chain. Us.


Ah, so you're the one speaking out for small-time unsigned artists (like my band)! Thanks, but no thanks. We lived off tours, the best we could possibly hope for from CD sales was to break even. FAT CHANCE. We gave most of them away.
No. I'm speaking out for the above mentioned people. Every band has every right to promote themselves any way they wish. Small bands certainly have the right to give thier music away to promote their shows. But if your giving it away, then it isn't really piracy, now is it?

[Any Mancunians remember the short-lived SKITZ? We will be back ...with a new name!]
Moving on...

Maybe you can tell me why it seems like the artists who are already rolling in it seem to care the most about "piracy"? The answer is that they don't (apart from a few really greedy bastards). Their labels do. Major labels lose the most out of downloading. EMI made one less million last year. Forgive me for having no sympathy.
And again, that hit goes right to the workers on the bottom. The people facilititating you getting that music, making it available to you to put on the internet and give away.


Wow, is that...free advice?
Sure, why not.



Not true. The services which offer single downloads typically don't even list the unsigned/small-time and obscure artists. They are as corrupt and profit driven as the labels themselves. Example, iTunes.
Then BUY from those people or, if they voluntarily give it away, take it. I never said you had to use the biggest dog on the block, or the biggest stream.



http://www.downhillbattle.org/itunes/victory.html


Yeah, downloading an mp3 totally equates to stealing a car. A studio is a production plant and the guitar is a welding machine. Bollocks.
Stole labor. More people than just the band are involved in getting that out.


Except that artists make art because they are artists, primarily. If the main aim is to make a profit, they're not artists.
Then don't listen to it. It's great that you get to be the great leveler of how peoples work is distributed. And that you get to condemn all artists to poverty to validate them....now I cry bollucks. It's their work, they get to decide. If you don't agree don't pay-but don't bullshit and insist they should be giving it to you for free cause thats the only way it should be. Again, stop pretending your Robin Hood.

I wouldn't call writing and recording music "toil". When was the last time you recorded music??? I love it. As far as "getting what I deserve", the kids who came to our shows made sure of that. They paid us with shouts, dancing, floor space, food, etc, etc. We thanked them for that.
Make your decisions for your band, your work.


Agreed. Stealing is stealing. I steal music regularly. The bands I listen to don't a fuck. I certainly don't.
If they give it away, it's not stealing.

And for the record (pun intended :D ) I make every effort to buy records I like which are released on Indies or by the artists themselves. Some of them have a chance to break even (i.e. the record pays for itself because they're popular enough).
Still putting on the green tights....

i can see why the stars don't want illegal downloading taking place. it's probably worse for a band like 'the moop' (who i haven't heard of, so they can't be mainstream) whose following probably can't access their music any other way and why pay when you get it free albeit illegally?

but considering the cost to make the cd and then the price they charge you for it, well, whose foolish enough to pay for it? (me, for one if i really want the cd :P).

if every source of illegal downloading was closed down and the owners sued, that would soon put a stop to it. people would soon forget about it and accept they gotta go back to taping music as soon as it comes on the radio if they want something for free :P

personally, i believe something should be changed... but i'm not sure what it should be.

The current music industry is geared to the way music was distributed in the days before the Internet. Record company ties down artist to a contract and basically control their life. They produce the records/CDs/tapes/LPs and distribute them to retail stores. The trouble is most of the profit eludes the artist and retailer as the record company is one makes the most money.

Now things are different. No longer do have to go to a store to get the latest CD, since you can copy the CD or rip it into a WMA or MP3 on your computer. New music CDs these days are now designed to stop this, but the old system is still failing.

An artist can make his own music, burn his own CDs and setup a web site to sell his own music. Not many do this, but it's a growing trend. Some artists have said goodbye to their labels and run their own businesses like this.

The retail industry suffer because less CDs get sold and they cop the job losses. The record industry is trying to hold onto a system which is being destroyed by new technology and it's own greed when it overprices the product and underpays the artist.

The future is online where users can pay a small sum for music they want. While most of these kind of web sites favour the bigger artists for obvious reasons, downloading music free or from the commercial service is the future. The CD is going while the MP3 will take over as new music medium.

I can't see many bands losing much money off ppl downloading their songs, for several reasons:
I think most ppl are generally pretty honest, and they're either downloading songs from a band they already know and like, and thus most probably already have one or two of their CDs. And before anyone says 'Why would they download a song they already have on CD?', two reasons spring to mind - the hassle of searching thru a large CD collection to make a decent compilation for their ipod, or having lost (or in my case left them 10 000km away) a particular CD that only has 1 good song on it. This isn't enough to warrant buying the CD again - so the artist isn't missing out.

Or if they download a few songs of an unknown band and then find they like their music, will most probably go out and buy their CD out of guilt, as a few ppl have already said so in this thread.

And as for the ones who are never going to buy the CD and get all their music on-line are probably the same ppl who never bought CDs anyway and just taped their mates. So once again, little or no loss to the artist.

And finally, ppl downloading music they can't find in the stores (obscure or out-of-date) aren't affecting the artist, because the downloader is in no position to buy the music anyway.

Also, the music companies are blood-sucking leeches. Most artists see very little from their CD sales. And I've yet to see any justification why CDs are generally twice as dear as tapes (or were, since tapes are out now), since CDs are a lot cheaper to produce than tapes.

Showing my age here, but do you remember the girl pop-rap group from the 80's 'Salt n' Pepa'? I remember reading several years ago that at the height of their popularity (their album went double platinum) they were still only getting $100k p/year each. The rest went to the Record company. During the 80s at least (but I don't see why they would change), the record companies signed up lots of would-be rap stars that offer what seems amazing amount of money to a poor black teenager. It gave the Recordcompany the rights and profits from any music made for a set salary. The Record company could opt out at any time, but not the artist. If 1 in 20 made it big, it more than made up for the other 19, who could be dumped anytime anyway.
So are the small-time artists really losing out? Not much, if any I would argue.

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