NationStates Jolt Archive

Will Scotus back the States or the Feds?

The Federal law is completely based in an out-and-out lie. Chances are that SCOTUS will return a narrow decision based on the fact that it is very clear that marijuana does have medicinal use.

The Federal law is completely based in an out-and-out lie.

when has that ever stopped anyone from doing whatever they want anyway?

though really, they had to pass an constitutional amendment to outlaw booze. for the life of me i just can't see how marijuana is fundamentally different.

Who cares?

Will they back one or the other? We don't know yet!

Should they back States? IMHO yes

when has that ever stopped anyone from doing whatever they want anyway?

though really, they had to pass an constitutional amendment to outlaw booze. for the life of me i just can't see how marijuana is fundamentally different.

Marijuana got tacked onto laws banning much harder drugs, all of which were associated with "hippies".

The *only* reason it passed was that the Senate commitee asked the AMA if there were medicinal uses. The AMA said that there *might* be, but none were currently known. The committe went to the rest of the Senate and stated "There are absolutely no medical uses for marijuana, the AMA says so." Thus, it was voted in as illegal.

We now know that there *are* medicinal uses for marijuana, thus the ban on it is an unconstitutional breach of a person's right to the pursuit of life.

Who cares?
People suffering from brain tumours and multiple sclerosis

Marijuana got tacked onto laws banning much harder drugs, all of which were associated with "hippies".

The *only* reason it passed was that the Senate commitee asked the AMA if there were medicinal uses. The AMA said that there *might* be, but none were currently known. The committe went to the rest of the Senate and stated "There are absolutely no medical uses for marijuana, the AMA says so." Thus, it was voted in as illegal.

We now know that there *are* medicinal uses for marijuana, thus the ban on it is an unconstitutional breach of a person's right to the pursuit of life.I thought it was Dupont, back in the 20s, that lobbied for criminialisation to protect their industry.

People suffering from brain tumours and multiple sclerosis
They don't need the Devils herb. They need prayer. And the Lord will deliver them.

I thought it was Dupont, back in the 20s, that lobbied for criminialisation to protect their industry.

They may have lobbied for it originally, but it pretty much got passed on a "these are the hippie drugs" mentality - and the false assertion that there could be no medicinal uses. And I'm pretty sure it wasn't made illegal until quite a bit later than the '20's.

Interestingly enough, there are a few people who receive medicinal marijuana *from the federal government* because it started a program before it was made illegal. There are 4 or so people who get joints directly from the feds.

This cause would be a lot easier to support if most of the people who voiced their support for it weren't so obviously just looking for a new way to get high legally.

"Hemp industry!" Yeah... right.

I tell you what. Let's make a trade. We'll legalize it all... if you'll let us frag people for committing crimes while high. Especially DUI.

why is marijuana illegal? (http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/stories/2003/12/22/whyIsMarijuanaIllegal.html)

They don't need the Devils herb. They need prayer. And the Lord will deliver them.

So what would you do if God came to you and told you to smoke less pot? Appears to be a no judgement call if you dabble or you don't. Would that mean it is some devilish herb? I pray to our Father daily, use medicinal marijuana legally and never spoke of it much of either of these prior to meeting God. Moderation (junk food, drugs, sex or whatever) should be taught to all of us from the get go. With God asking for "no formlities" and "no labels" it sounds more to me that we should become trusting of ourselves to the point that when we are around our fellow people we can trust them as much as we trust ourselves. This becomes a complete Faithful society. God created this "devilish herb" that has the capibility at helping the sick and dying. We all have the ability to communicate with God through knowing and using our instincts.

So what would you do if God came to you and told you to smoke less pot? Appears to be a no judgement call if you dabble or you don't. Would that mean it is some devilish herb? I pray to our Father daily, use medicinal marijuana legally and never spoke of it much of either of these prior to meeting God. Moderation (junk food, drugs, sex or whatever) should be taught to all of us from the get go. With God asking for "no formlities" and "no labels" it sounds more to me that we should become trusting of ourselves to the point that when we are around our fellow people we can trust them as much as we trust ourselves. This becomes a complete Faithful society.
You will burn in hell. Hell where the air is pungent with the aroma of roasted behinds. Hell where big devils break wind day and night.

What's the advantage to marijuana over other drugs that are less harmful?

What's the advantage to marijuana over other drugs that are less harmful?
You can grow it at home.

You will burn in hell. Hell where the air is pungent with the aroma of roasted behinds. Hell where big devils break wind day and night.

lol damn now thats not to tasty sounding

Keep in mind...
Tthis is more of a FEDERALISM/STATES RIGHTS issue than a medicinal marijuana one.

lol damn now thats not to tasty sounding
:D Edmund Blackadder, Archbishop of Canterbury, be praised.

What's the advantage to marijuana over other drugs that are less harmful?

Well actually medical marijuana can be used in many forms. You don't have to smoke it and actually get a better medicinal value through eating it (for many illnesses). You can use it as a butter on morning toast, bagel or whatever you can use butter for. It can be in brownie,cookie, etc.. I had a (pot)almond roucha cookie the otherday that worked real well. You can use a vaporizer like the lady that is involved in the supreme court case. There are many ways to alleviate your pain and/or sickness through marijuana.

I don't know how the court will rule, but however it rules, I believe that the government should allow medical marijuana use. But it should be strictly controlled. Each case should be handled by a doctor and an advisor from the government (federal or state, doesn't really matter).

Rigid controls should be instilled to ensure the system is not cheated to get people recreational drugs.

I'd also say that it might serve a purpose in a step-down treatment program for addicts of harder drugs.

Well actually medical marijuana can be used in many forms. You don't have to smoke it and actually get a better medicinal value through eating it (for many illnesses). You can use it as a butter on morning toast, bagel or whatever you can use butter for. It can be in brownie,cookie, etc.. I had a (pot)almond roucha cookie the otherday that worked real well.
Space cake.

Well actually medical marijuana can be used in many forms. You don't have to smoke it and actually get a better medicinal value through eating it (for many illnesses). You can use it as a butter on morning toast, bagel or whatever you can use butter for. It can be in brownie,cookie, etc.. I had a (pot)almond roucha cookie the otherday that worked real well.
Its nice to know that your a druggie, but you didn't answer the question. Why is marijuana more useful medically than other prescription medicines?

Its nice to know that your a druggie, but you didn't answer the question. Why is marijuana more useful medically than other prescription medicines?

Labels. We all become a druggie since the day we ever had to use a aspirin for a headache. So if using drugs that my doctor tells me to use as a best treatment plan is being a druggie then oh well. Label as you like :)

The reason marijuana is so much better than vicodin and all the other more debilitating medicines is because marinuana is actually the lightest caliber of all of them. It does the least damage to your ability to function in life. When I was on vicodin I couldn't even get out of bed, I was immobile. When you eat marijuana you dont get the euphoric feelings as you do when you smoke, it is more of a body high (good medical value). Plus you can go hiking or whatever else without any ill side effects.

Its nice to know that your a druggie, but you didn't answer the question. Why is marijuana more useful medically than other prescription medicines?
It puts a smile on your face.

The reason marijuana is so much better than vicodin and all the other more debilitating medicines is because marinuana is actually the lightest caliber of all of them. It does the least damage to your ability to function in life. When I was on vicodin I couldn't even get out of bed, I was immobile. When you eat marijuana you dont get the euphoric feelings as you do when you smoke, it is more of a body high (good medical value). Plus you can go hiking or whatever else without any ill side effects.
Since I don't have experience, I can't argue with you. But I can say that the reasons marijuana would be used would not be for painkillers, but rather to help reduce nausea for people undergoing chemotherapy and restore apetite for AIDS victims.

Since I don't have experience, I can't argue with you. But I can say that the reasons marijuana would be used would not be for painkillers, but rather to help reduce nausea for people undergoing chemotherapy and restore apetite for AIDS victims.

The reasons marijuana is used medically in many of the states vary due to scientific evidence showing it to have value for many uses. Here is Oregons uses and seems to be ideal to the feds because they have not bothered anypatients or doctors from this state.

(2) "Debilitating medical condition" means:

(a) Cancer, glaucoma, positive status for human immunodeficiency virus or acquired immune deficiency syndrome, or treatment for these conditions;

b) A medical condition or treatment for a medical condition that produces, for a specific patient, one or more of the following:

(i) Cachexia;

(ii) Severe pain;

(iii) Severe nausea;

(iv) Seizures, including but not limited to seizures caused by epilepsy; or

(v) Persistent muscle spasms, including but not limited to spasms caused by multiple sclerosis; or

What's the advantage to marijuana over other drugs that are less harmful?

For these patients, no other drugs help.

Marijuana simultaneously acts as a pain killer, suppresses nausea, and increases the appetite (something that most of these patients need - as they often are unable to eat), all without significantly making them tired or affecting their lives.

No other drug or drug combination can do all of these things simultaneously. Meawhile, there is now cannabis in a pill form - which is no more harmful than any other medicine.

This cause would be a lot easier to support if most of the people who voiced their support for it weren't so obviously just looking for a new way to get high legally.

"Hemp industry!" Yeah... right.

I tell you what. Let's make a trade. We'll legalize it all... if you'll let us frag people for committing crimes while high. Especially DUI.

Yeah, you're right - we're all going to give ourselves cancer so we can get medicinal marijuana. Seriously, give me a break.

And DUI is illegal no matter what drug you are under the influence of. The only problem would be coming up with a test to determine whether or not you are currently high. Unfortunately, there is not yet one.

They don't need the Devils herb. They need prayer. And the Lord will deliver them.
Is the Lord kinda busy at the moment, cos I'm not seeing him delivering that many miracles recently

This cause would be a lot easier to support if most of the people who voiced their support for it weren't so obviously just looking for a new way to get high legally.

"Hemp industry!" Yeah... right.

I tell you what. Let's make a trade. We'll legalize it all... if you'll let us frag people for committing crimes while high. Especially DUI.
A complete lack of understanding of the issue.

Do we want to make cannabis legal for benefit of the hemp industry? No.
Should it have been made illegal to destroy the hemp industry? Absolutely not.

What's the advantage to marijuana over other drugs that are less harmful?I'm not a doctor, but I know that almost all drugs have side effects, so "less harmful" isn't necessarily true. I also know, from personal experience, that, unlike most perscription drugs, the effects of marijuana are fairly close to instant. Its also cheap to produce and not overly damaging in the long or short term.

Since I don't have experience, I can't argue with you. But I can say that the reasons marijuana would be used would not be for painkillers, but rather to help reduce nausea for people undergoing chemotherapy and restore apetite for AIDS victims.
I thought I'd heard of it for pain relief too, but I don't know for sure.

Reducing nausea... I can't say I've experienced that effect, but if it works then no problem. Restoring appetite makes a lot of sense though.

No one is complaining about using opiates for medical purposes I notice. Does anyone find that surprising?

What's the advantage to marijuana over other drugs that are less harmful?

There are no drugs less harmful - especially if it is eaten and not smoked (which gets rid of its one potentially harmful property). Tylenol is not even less harmful. Of all drugs, legal and illegal, marijuana is perhaps the least toxic to the body. That is one of the reasons why so many doctors want it for medical use. The really sick people cannot tolerate all the side effects of the other drugs that could help them feel better.

This cause would be a lot easier to support if most of the people who voiced their support for it weren't so obviously just looking for a new way to get high legally.

"Hemp industry!" Yeah... right.

I tell you what. Let's make a trade. We'll legalize it all... if you'll let us frag people for committing crimes while high. Especially DUI.

For fucks sake OXYCONTIN is legal for medical use. It is roughly of the same strength and potency as heroin only it is synthetic. It does the same thing and is just as addictive. FENTAYL (sp?) is legal for medical use. Several times more potent than heroin. Has the same effect. Is more addictive. Get a clue. Medical approval does not mean recreational use.

I don't see how using marihuana responsibly is dangerous. If you were smoking it while flying a passenger jet, that would be one thing, but if you're using it to relieve pain or nausea, it seems like a good thing.

This is insane. The supreme court will back the Federal Government. The Federal law is above all, including state law.

This is the sort of stuff that caused the Civil War. The South thought they were above the federal government. Guess what, they weren't and they had their sh!t ruined. Same will happen to California if they don't stop what they are doing.

This is insane. The supreme court will back the Federal Government. The Federal law is above all, including state law.

This is the sort of stuff that caused the Civil War. The South thought they were above the federal government. Guess what, they weren't and they had their sh!t ruined. Same will happen to California if they don't stop what they are doing.

And Federal Law should never change no matter how much pain and suffering it may relieve?
:rolleyes:

The whole states' rights/fed rights thing is interesting. You have traditional conservatives now backpeddling on their precious states' rights...and liberals suddenly complaining the government is too powerful. How times change.

Basically, both sides are just as opportunistic when it comes to states versus the feds. Liberals are in favor of the feds' power on abortion, otherwise half the country would criminalize abortion. Conservatives likewise are in favor of states' rights on abortion, since they know a national ban on abortion could never pass.

As for drugs, liberals are in favor of states' rights, because they know the federal government will never approve even the slightest easing of restrictions on pot within the forseeable future, whereas pretty much every state outside of the South is open to that (even the Mountain West, which is heavily Republican). Thus the conservatives turn to federal power to keep progressive states in check.

The entire argument of states' rights versus federal power isn't taken seriously until it winds up in court. And I'm guessing this case will come down to a 6-3 verdict in favor of states' rights, with the usual dissenters (Scalia, Thomas, and Rehnquist).

And Federal Law should never change no matter how much pain and suffering it may relieve?
:rolleyes:

No. You missed the point. The federal law can change, it should change, but this law should not. There are other drugs to relieve pain and no studies proving that smoking marijuana is better than perscription drugs.

The bigger issue is that the states need to accept the federal law as the law of the land. If they don't, I see political blackmail (i.e. eliminate funding for things like schools, highways, etc.).

If they don't, I see political blackmail (i.e. eliminate funding for things like schools, highways, etc.).
Heh, that's how they raised the drinking age to 21. Assholes. :p

Medical marijuana is an amazing thing. My brother is currenty using marijuana for medicinal purposes. He has AIDS and has been using marijuana to help aliviate naseua as well as as a painkiller. I cannot imagine the suffering he would have indured over the past few years if he was not able to use marijuana medicinally. He has tried many other more traditional medications. All have failed him. Marijuana is the only thing that has helped eliviate his suffering, without producing side effects more painful than the symptomes they are designed to treat.

Now that I have gotten personal, I'm gonna draw back from the issue and tell you the real reason the federal law should be changed. This is a issue of state's rights. Plain and simple. Don't like the idea of medicinal marijuana to alliviate the suffering of many, don't live in a state where it would be legal under state law.

Who cares?

I don't, I don't!

Really, though, why not just come up and see us sometime, America? Let us be your very own Amsterdam, we could use the tourism dollars.

Yeah, you're right - we're all going to give ourselves cancer so we can get medicinal marijuana. Seriously, give me a break.

And DUI is illegal no matter what drug you are under the influence of. The only problem would be coming up with a test to determine whether or not you are currently high. Unfortunately, there is not yet one.


Actually i was in a car with a friend that was pretty chopped (we were parked down by the lake) and the cops showed up. They made him stand with his feet together, arms out, stare at the sky and count to thirty.
He must have been standing there for about 40 seconds so the cops charged him. I talked to him later and he said he couldn't concentrate and his mind kept wandering.

/thought you might wanna know

Government supporting hemp growth. (http://www.archive.org/movies/details-db.php?collection=feature_films&collectionid=Hemp_for_victory_1942)

Proves: Nothing. I just kinda like it. There is footage missing, but not soundtrack, so it goes off somewhere. Just fun.

The Federal law is completely based in an out-and-out lie. Chances are that SCOTUS will return a narrow decision based on the fact that it is very clear that marijuana does have medicinal use.

It will make no difference. Morphine is used commonly in hospitals, but you can not make it at home. And you can not trade or sell it.

It will make no difference. Morphine is used commonly in hospitals, but you can not make it at home. And you can not trade or sell it.

Would you say then that it should be allowed to be used as a prescription drug?

It will make no difference. Morphine is used commonly in hospitals, but you can not make it at home. And you can not trade or sell it.

Wrong and wrong. Morphine can most certainly be made at home if you know how to do it, because it is basically like making heroin, and made from some type of poppy plant. And many many people obtain fraudulent prescriptions for morphine or other opiates, like oxycontin. And the sale of false prescriptions or stolen prescriptions are a bigger problem than pot is, because you can easily overdose and die from ingesting too much opiates, but no one has EVER overdosed on marijuana. Not in 10,000 years of recorded use. People even die from reactions to aspirin, and on average, some 1400 college students a year drink themselves to death.

Not one single person has ever died from weed. Think about that. Not one. If they got high and did something stupid like drive or operate heavy machinery, that's different. We already have laws against that.

Dangerous drug? Try again...

Actually i was in a car with a friend that was pretty chopped (we were parked down by the lake) and the cops showed up. They made him stand with his feet together, arms out, stare at the sky and count to thirty.
He must have been standing there for about 40 seconds so the cops charged him. I talked to him later and he said he couldn't concentrate and his mind kept wandering.

/thought you might wanna know

The problem is that to actually charge him with DUI, they had to drug test him. The only test we have for marijuana returns a positive result if you have smoked (or even gone to a Dave Matthews Band concert =) any time within the last 28 days. So anyone with a good lawyer (were marijuana legal at all) could get out of DUI on a technicality. We need a conclusive (not just, "the guy seemed distracted") test that determines whether or not you are under the influence, much like we have w/ alcohol.

The problem is that to actually charge him with DUI, they had to drug test him. The only test we have for marijuana returns a positive result if you have smoked (or even gone to a Dave Matthews Band concert =) any time within the last 28 days. So anyone with a good lawyer (were marijuana legal at all) could get out of DUI on a technicality. We need a conclusive (not just, "the guy seemed distracted") test that determines whether or not you are under the influence, much like we have w/ alcohol.

I think the police may have to use some backdoor tactics. Maybe waving a munchie in the air in front of them until they cant take it any longer. I was going to say a donut but that would have both lusting after it.