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Whatever: I could say that I don't agree with right wing politics and people would jump in to shout out why I “have” to because I am a Christian and that is christian law.

Or, I could say I support them, and then people would say that because I am a Christian it is hypocritical.

But whatever.

Um.. how does that make Christians wrong?
As for political affiliation, any religion that demands you take a specific affiliation politicly isn't worth your time.
Besides, I remember nothing about Christianity and Conservatists being the same thing in the bible.

Case in point, I know a devout Catholic who is a Liberal. I also know a practising Druid who's a Conservative.

Or.. are you arguing against the idea that "Christians are wrong". If so, where did you get this idea?

Yeah, Since when did a religion reflect political beliefs anyway?

Maybe the point was to say that no matter what side politically he was on, as a Christian, he was considered wrong.

It's funny that he is wrong for taking no position too.

It's funny that he is wrong for taking no position too.

I never thought of that...:)

The Nazis were christian, they had the support of both catholics and protestants to begin with. Correct me if I'm wrong but, all political parties in Europe claim to be christians to some extent, whether it be catholic, protestant or orthodox.

Besides Tolerance is christian virtue too. So they should say well he likes that one, so ok he likes that one.

The Nazis were christian, they had the support of both catholics and protestants to begin with. Correct me if I'm wrong but, all political parties in Europe claim to be christians to some extent, whether it be catholic, protestant or orthodox.

Besides Tolerance is christian virtue too. So they should say well he likes that one, so ok he likes that one.

No they were not. Ask the amish, or read shirer.

The Nazis were christian, they had the support of both catholics and protestants to begin with. Correct me if I'm wrong but, all political parties in Europe claim to be christians to some extent, whether it be catholic, protestant or orthodox.

Besides Tolerance is christian virtue too. So they should say well he likes that one, so ok he likes that one.

Actually, Hitler and his inner cirle tended to dismiss religion to the masses. However, they did accept Christianity because it would keep the population happier. Banning religion has very poor effects on a government.

The part about tolerance is right on though.

Actually, Hitler and his inner cirle tended to dismiss religion to the masses. However, they did accept Christianity because it would keep the population happier. Banning religion has very poor effects on a government.

The part about tolerance is right on though.


Actually, Hitler was a devout Catholic, and before he became politicly involved, he was studying to be a preist. The nazi's were Christian.
Before I get flamed or argued with, read "Mien Kampf", and perhaps study Hitler and Nazism more. The media doesn't always say the truth.
Besides, Mien Kampf is a good book, and not as full of anti-Judaism as you're probably told. That and all profits from book sales go directly to Holocaust Survivor Chairities.

Actually, Hitler was a devout Catholic, and before he became politicly involved, he was studying to be a preist. The nazi's were Christian.
Before I get flamed or argued with, read "Mien Kampf", and perhaps study Hitler and Nazism more. The media doesn't always say the truth.
Besides, Mien Kampf is a good book, and not as full of anti-Judaism as you're probably told. That and all profits from book sales go directly to Holocaust Survivor Chairities.

No he wasn't. Read the books written by people who lived under Hitler. He was very against the christian church also.

Actually, Hitler was a devout Catholic, and before he became politicly involved, he was studying to be a preist. The nazi's were Christian.
Before I get flamed or argued with, read "Mien Kampf", and perhaps study Hitler and Nazism more. The media doesn't always say the truth.
Besides, Mien Kampf is a good book, and not as full of anti-Judaism as you're probably told. That and all profits from book sales go directly to Holocaust Survivor Chairities.

Here is a link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi#Nazism_and_religion

and a quote:
Hitler and other Nazi leaders clearly made use of Pagan symbolism and emotion in propagandizing the Germanic public, and it remains a matter of controversy whether Hitler believed himself a Christian, a heathen, or something else entirely. Many historians have typified Hitler as a Satanist or occultist, whereas some writers have often utilized Nazism's occasional outward use of Christian doctrine, regardless of what its inner-party mythology may have been.

Why do all the latest of these threads seem to turn into debates about whether Hitler was Christian or not?

Lacadaemon, the martyr.

Regardless of what they claimed to be publicly, like a lot of self-described christians who really aren't very christian, I thought Hitler and his inner circle of ubergoofs were way into the occult and other things that are patently unchristian.

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Dammit! Post twelve one-uped me.

Regardless of whether or not they have anything to do with each other, Christianity and Conservative politics are seen as being tied together simply because their values line up more closely than those of other political stances...

For instance, Liberals tend to be much more, well, liberal about things like abortion, homosexuality, etc... Whereas both Christianity and Conservatives generally both take the same side on those issues (opposite of the Liberal view)... This is not a universal truth, and doesn't apply to all issues, but the stereotype is there, and is founded on something...

Basically, it boils down to the assumption that both of them share the same "morals"... If that is truly the case or not I can't say, but that's the general conception...

Why do all the latest of these threads seem to turn into debates about whether Hitler was Christian or not?

Because the topic of the thread is done being discussed? Or maybe we have no further input on the topic? We have to talk about something.

I think I have to correct a common misunderstanding: The Nazi have nothing to do with christian mentality. In fact, they did a mix of pagan beliefs (old gods such as Wodan, skulls & bones symbols etc., torches). Officially, churches accepted the policies, but in reality, many priests were tortured or killed in concentration camps such as Dachau. Perhaps some of you know the name Bonhoeffer (martyr).

Moreover, Hitler was
a) no German (-> he came from Austria)
b) stupid (-> he tried to become a famous painter but the college of Arts in Vienna would not let him join)
c) a psychopath (-> well....you can think of that yourself, can you?)

Additionally, Nazis
a) suck
b) are dumb as shit

OK. Nowadays, not all political parties in Europe are christian. There are, for example, socialist parties, communist parties, libertarian parties, and nobody ever speaks about churches, prayers etc. Even in Bavaria, one of Germany's most catholic states, politicians tend to make "realpolitik" and not a mixture of religious beliefs. In fact, people in Germany share the opinion that religion and politics should not be mixed!

I hope that clears up most things for you :)

[fuck the nazis ;)]

Additionally, Nazis
a) suck
b) are dumb as shit

There are plenty of intelligent nazis. Just like there are plenty of intelligent milkmen.

There are plenty of intelligent nazis. Just like there are plenty of intelligent milkmen.
But milkmen are more useful.

I just want to say that Christians are people and everyone is different. People should stop making assumptions about Christianity just because of what a single or a group of Christians have done. I'm a Christian and I disagree with many things other Christians have done in the name of God.

I think religion is more of a culture, and it's a lot like racism to judge the rest of the culture for what one person did to you. Let it go.

I just want to say that Christians are people and everyone is different. People should stop making assumptions about Christianity just because of what a single or a group of Christians have done. I'm a Christian and I disagree with many things other Christians have done in the name of God.

I think religion is more of a culture, and it's a lot like racism to judge the rest of the culture for what one person did to you. Let it go.
Definately. I agree, particularly as a left wing (and I mean more left than "liberal" which in Europe is more centrist anyway) christian.

But milkmen are more useful.

Oh, I don't know, we all need someone to hate. Having said that, it's easier to hate milkmen because you know what time they come round your house every day and so can make the necessary preparations. I take back my first statement.

Oh, I don't know, we all need someone to hate. Having said that, it's easier to hate milkmen because you know what time they come round your house every day and so can make the necessary preparations. I take back my first statement.
Good point, plus they also have uniforms and a militaristic hat. I wonder if they have ranks, like Milkman General., Milkman Sergeant...

About that generalization with the dumb nazis: That was just fun :) Of course, there are intelligent one, but I'd prefer to call the stupid just because they are Nazis. After all, milk-men are cool and don't commit genocides most of the time ;)

I suggest hating racists (and perhaps some lawyers). That makes it easier for all of us. Unfortunately, every human being needs to have his or her private enemy, so better choose a good one... :)

About that generalization with the dumb nazis: That was just fun :) Of course, there are intelligent one, but I'd prefer to call the stupid just because they are Nazis. After all, milk-men are cool and don't commit genocides most of the time ;)

I suggest hating racists (and perhaps some lawyers). That makes it easier for all of us. Unfortunately, every human being needs to have his or her private enemy, so better choose a good one... :)

I agree. Every well rounded individual needs one irrational hatred to rant about. Picking racists is generally agreed to be a fair one. Lawyers as an optional extra is also good. I'll leave milkmen alone, as I have yet to here of the Milkman perpetrated genocide of the Postmen.

I agree. Every well rounded individual needs one irrational hatred to rant about. Picking racists is generally agreed to be a fair one. Lawyers as an optional extra is also good. I'll leave milkmen alone, as I have yet to here of the Milkman perpetrated genocide of the Postmen.
My irrational hatred is of Micro$oft. Well, actually, it's rational, since their software is crap ;) .

My irrational hatred is of Micro$oft. Well, actually, it's rational, since their software is crap ;) .
Perfect, you are now a well rounded individual. Congratulations :D